• Menu
  • Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar

Before Header

  • About Us
  • Lexicon
  • Contact Us
  • Our Store
  • ↑
  • ↓
  • ←
  • →

Balloon Juice

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

You know it’s bad when the Project 2025 people have to create training videos on “How To Be Normal”.

I did not have this on my fuck 2025 bingo card.

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

We still have time to mess this up!

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.

Republicans are the party of chaos and catastrophe.

Good lord, these people are nuts.

It is possible to do the right thing without the promise of a cookie.

Let the trolls come, and then ignore them. that’s the worst thing you can do to a troll.

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

75% of people clapping liked the show!

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

If you cannot answer whether trump lost the 2020 election, you are unfit for office.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

Text STOP to opt out of updates on war plans.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

Those who are easily outraged are easily manipulated.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Mobile Menu

  • Seattle Meet-up Post
  • 2025 Activism
  • Targeted Political Fundraising
  • Donate with Venmo, Zelle & PayPal
  • Site Feedback
  • War in Ukraine
  • Submit Photos to On the Road
  • Politics
  • On The Road
  • Open Threads
  • Topics
  • COVID-19
  • Authors
  • About Us
  • Contact Us
  • Lexicon
  • Our Store
  • Politics
  • Open Threads
  • 2025 Activism
  • Garden Chats
  • On The Road
  • Targeted Fundraising!
You are here: Home / Civil Rights / Racial Justice / Post-racial America / Hood Rats

Hood Rats

by Zandar|  January 3, 20153:52 pm| 114 Comments

This post is in: Post-racial America, Republican Venality, Shitty Cops, Flash Mob of Hate, Meth Laboratories of Democracy

FacebookTweetEmail

When it comes to 1) firearms and 2) sweatshirts with hoods on them, guess which one Oklahoma Republicans want to regulate to the point of making illegal?

Oklahoma lawmakers are planning to introduce a bill this February that would make it illegal to wear hooded sweatshirts, or “hoodies,” in public, according to a report from Oklahoma’s Channel 6 News.

Republican Senator Don Barrington will introduce the bill, which would make it a misdemeanor to “wear a mask, hood, or covering” either while committing a crime or in order to intentionally conceal one’s identity. If the bill is passed, offenders would be subject to a fine of $50 to $500, and up to one year in jail. The ban would not affect mask-wearers on Halloween or at masquerade parties, nor would it apply to people who wear head coverings for religious purposes.

The bill’s purpose is seemingly to deter crime. As Channel 6’s report notes, robberies caught on surveillance camera often show the perpetrator wearing a mask or hoodie to cover his or her face. With the bill’s language only prohibiting wearing hoodies while committing a crime or to intentionally hide, supporters say the ban wouldn’t negatively affect people just trying to wear a sweatshirt in day-to-day life.

Others, however, have argued that bans on hoodies — no matter the intention — only serve to exacerbate problems with racial profiling. CNN legal analyst Sunny Hostin took on the issue when an Indiana mall banned the garment in March:

“This is about the pretext of being able to stop young African-American males,” she said. “Hoodie is code for ‘thug’ in many places and I think businesses shouldn’t be in the business of telling people what to wear. The Fourteenth Amendment protects us from this.”

Republicans are clearly for smaller, less intrusive government.  Unless it’s for black people, in which case criminalize every aspect of their lives.

Bonus points: under this legislation, who decides if a person is wearing a hoodie to “intentionally conceal” their identity?  Why, the cops, of course.

FacebookTweetEmail
Previous Post: « Did He Do Something or Did Something Happen?
Next Post: Gas and nuts »

Reader Interactions

114Comments

  1. 1.

    J.D. Rhoades

    January 3, 2015 at 3:58 pm

    I got a hoodie for Christmas. Comes in very handy when walking the dog in the woods on cold mornings. I’d like to see someone try to arrest me for wearing it.

  2. 2.

    BGinCHI

    January 3, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    What could possibly go right?

    Oklahoma: come for the dustbowl, stay for the pleasure of taking Native American land for at least the second time.

  3. 3.

    Baud

    January 3, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    “wear a mask, hood, or covering” either while committing a crime or in order to intentionally conceal one’s identity.

    As opposed to, you know, those other types of masks. I guess Clark Kent better ditch those glasses.

    I wonder if the bill will have an exception for pointy white hoods.

  4. 4.

    Derelict

    January 3, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    The answer to the crime problem! We’ll regulate appearance! First, no hoodies. Second, no baggy pants. Then we can ban close-cropped curly hair. Then complete shaved heads. Then Afros. Finally, we can just make it illegal to be Black and out of your house without a permit.

    All in the name of freedom, you understand.

  5. 5.

    srv

    January 3, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    We’ll, I guess that anti-sagger bill didn’t work

  6. 6.

    Baud

    January 3, 2015 at 4:03 pm

    When did Newsmax get replaced with Wonkette?

  7. 7.

    Amir Khalid

    January 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    First of all, how does one wear a hoodie so that it covers one’s face? Back to front?

  8. 8.

    Mike in NC

    January 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    So I read that and need to ask: if you commit a crime while NOT wearing a mask or hood in Oklahama, you won’t be prosecuted? Good to know.

  9. 9.

    raven

    January 3, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    @J.D. Rhoades: Yea, and what would you do?

  10. 10.

    MomSense

    January 3, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    Oh FFS.

  11. 11.

    jannydarling

    January 3, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    In the old days men put their collars up and pulled their hats down when they didn’t want to be identified. Can you imagine trying to outlaw the fedora in the 30’s, 40’s or 50’s?

  12. 12.

    Mart

    January 3, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    Writer’s block led to a midnight run in my upper middle class white suburb. Suddenly a cop car fly’s into the driveway in front of me causing me to stumble into it. It’s my neighbor cop Gary. What the hell Gary? What the hell Mart? You’re wearing a hoodie, it’s midnight, and you’re running. What do you expect?

  13. 13.

    MattF

    January 3, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    Another Oklahoma story:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/12/oklahoma_and_nebraska_sue_colorado_a_hypocritical_lawsuit_could_undermine.html

    Yeah, it’s a link to Slate, but the story is irresistible. Attorneys-General of Nebraska and Oklahoma are suing to stop Colorado from legalizing pot. These same AGs sued to stop Obamacare, on the grounds that it infringed on state’s rights– but in this instance they– somehow– feel differently about the state’s rights. The article has horrified quotations from legal academic right-wingers. Since, you see, it’s almost as though ‘state’s rights’ was merely a convenient way for these AGs to oppose things they just don’t like. Imagine that.

  14. 14.

    The Thin Black Duke

    January 3, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    What the fuck, man.

  15. 15.

    kindness

    January 3, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    Is there really a lot of crime in OK where the perpetrators are wearing masks &/or hoodies? What is the statistic?

  16. 16.

    kathy a.

    January 3, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    Excuse me? Hooded sweatshirts and jackets are completely sensible items for babies, for kids who don’t like hats and/or umbrellas, and for all kinds of adults. Like me.

    This is even more stupid than baggy pants laws. But I guess the fact that no babies or grey-hairs will ever be arrested under this law just underscores the vast unregulated judgment that would be accorded police in enforcing the law.

  17. 17.

    Mustang Bobby

    January 3, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    The ban would not affect mask-wearers on Halloween or at masquerade parties, nor would it apply to people who wear head coverings for religious purposes.

    Except for burkas because terrorism.

  18. 18.

    Keith G

    January 3, 2015 at 4:12 pm

    @J.D. Rhoades: I think that’s is a safe bet that no one will try to arrest you in your hoodie…ever.

    First of all, it’s Oklahoma, Jake. They are truly in their own universe. Second, the Constitution may not mean as much as it used to, but a hoodie law will not make the cut.

    This is a dog bites man story as assemblyman and assemblywomen are often proposing silly-assed ideas such as these.

  19. 19.

    Josie

    January 3, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    OMG – The toenail fungus ad is back.

  20. 20.

    Mart

    January 3, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    My daughter works in an big inner city high school. The Principal has hoodie rage. He has severely reprimanded all teachers when he enters a classroom and finds a hoodie up. Just after giving all the teachers xmas presents featuring – WTF? – hooded sweatshirts, with the school’s logo and colors; he told them that he would send HR a report each time he finds a hoodie up that will go in their permanent file.

  21. 21.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    January 3, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    Good to know that rioting cops that are wearing those helmets/facemasks “riot gear” will now be prosecuted, right?

  22. 22.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 3, 2015 at 4:20 pm

    @Baud: I noticed that as well, especially since I sent NewsMax to the bitbucket(host. file mod).

  23. 23.

    MattF

    January 3, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    @Mustang Bobby: There’s probably also an exception for Patagonia hoodies.

  24. 24.

    Starfish

    January 3, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    Also canceling Halloween.

  25. 25.

    patrick II

    January 3, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    I don’t know what “while committing a crime” encompasses. Will the hoodie law further enable police to do those sort of pile on charges when they encounter someone they don’t like? For instance, for the crime of selling a loosie, can wearing a hooded sweatshirt can add another charge and $500 bucks to the deficit of someone who probably can’t afford it?

  26. 26.

    RepubAnon

    January 3, 2015 at 4:22 pm

    So, if some people decide that they’d all like to wear hoodies, can they be arrested for conspiracy to attempt to conceal their identities? If they text each other stating that they plan to buy hoodies as a form of protest, can they be arrested for attempting to conspire to conceal their identities?

    Don’t laugh – folks planning on meeting to discuss forming a third political party during the McCarthy era were successfully convicted of attempting to conspire to overthrow the US government. Attempting to overthrow the government means marching down the street with pitchforks and torches; conspiring to overthrow the government means getting together and planning out where the marchers will meet, and someone going out and trying to buy the pitchforks. Attempting to conspire is calling someone the government doesn’t like and saying “hey, want to get together?”

  27. 27.

    Zam

    January 3, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    Just another capital crime. If you don’t want to get shot, don’t break the law, even if the law was designed as an excuse to shoot you.

  28. 28.

    Amir Khalid

    January 3, 2015 at 4:25 pm

    @Mart:
    I presume the hoodies themselves don’t violate the school dress code, and the teacher will be able to identify the student even with the hood up. What offence is the report gong to cite the teacher for?

  29. 29.

    Mike J

    January 3, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Since when is concealing your identity a crime? The “or” is what makes this bad. while committing a crime OR to conceal your identity.

    If I’m not committing a crime, why can’t I conceal my identity?

  30. 30.

    Zam

    January 3, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    @Mike J: Don’t want your crazy ex to see you? Gonna have to pay the price.

  31. 31.

    MomSense

    January 3, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    Seems like OK should be more concerned about covering other parts of the body. Aren’t they second in the nation for teen pregnancy rates?

  32. 32.

    raven

    January 3, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    @MomSense: These yo-yo pukes propose all kinds of shit that doesn’t pass just to keep liberals pissed off.

  33. 33.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 3, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    Let’s just get it over with and formally make it, de jure, legal for police to kill black kids for any reason at all. To include breathing.

    Why fuck around? Let your freak Hackenkreuz flag fly, Don Barrington. Be honest for once in your miserable racist life. Just once. This one time.

  34. 34.

    Mustang Bobby

    January 3, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    I sell BBWW hoodies at my CafePress site. Does that make me liable for somebody getting busted for showing up at a Circle K in Bartlesville if they have the good taste to buy one from me?

  35. 35.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 3, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    @Mustang Bobby: Well, any scarf worn on the head in deference to Muslim tradition is, by definition, terrorism.

  36. 36.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 3, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    @Mustang Bobby: Of course it does.

    This principle of course does not apply to firearms or ammunition manufacturers, distributors, or retailers.

  37. 37.

    Keith G

    January 3, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid: That may be too large of a presumption. Many schools have dress codes saying that hats and other types of head covering is not allowed unless the head is being covered as part of a religious practice..

  38. 38.

    JaneE

    January 3, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    What if you are not wearing a mask to conceal your identity, but to protest overreaching government?

  39. 39.

    ruemara

    January 3, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    @Derelict: I’m sure they can assign black peoples a good white person to squire them around. Perhaps some sort of leash contraptions, to make leading easier.

    I read about this story a couple of hours ago. I swear, I’m starting to think being black in America should allow me to request asylum in some other country.

  40. 40.

    MomSense

    January 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @raven:

    hese yo-yo pukes propose all kinds of shit that doesn’t pass just to keep liberals pissed off.

    I hope to disappoint.

    Did you see the Stones Sweet Summer Sun ? It’s their 2013 Hyde Park concert. We watched it today and it was a lot of fun. The whole band is fantastic but it was especially great to hear Bobby Keys play so well.

  41. 41.

    Mart

    January 3, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Not sure if the no hoodie up is district or school policy. Pushing the policy in the hallways OK, lots of gang issues, fights, and related. In the classroom, kid gets cold, pulls up the hoodie, who cares? The class knows who he is. Just really enjoyed my daughter complaining about the hoodie policcy while wearing her principle’s Christmas gift school hoodie. Tried to explain to her management gets no better on the private side.

  42. 42.

    Lavocat

    January 3, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    Unconstitutional on its face.

    I see that Oklahoma is giving Arizona a run for its money.

  43. 43.

    raven

    January 3, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    @MomSense: Ooo, no, gotta see it.

    Reading the Jerry Lee Lewis book is really fun!

  44. 44.

    JPL

    January 3, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    @Baud: shhhh don’t tell anyone an jinx it.

  45. 45.

    MomSense

    January 3, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    @raven:

    I’ll have to pick that up at the library. I think you will like it. Half the fun was seeing the people in the crowd–all ages having fun.

  46. 46.

    MattF

    January 3, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    On the other hand, the bill would outlaw Klan rallies. So, there’s that.

  47. 47.

    Schlemazel

    January 3, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    @raven:
    gotten to the part where he marries his under-aged cousin yet? man had an interesting life.

  48. 48.

    JPL

    January 3, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    They will have to pry my hoodies from my cold dead hands before I stop wearing them .

  49. 49.

    Ruviana

    January 3, 2015 at 4:51 pm

    I totally agree with the critiques here and recognize the racist subtext but this also reminds me of the attempt to ban black trenchcoats after Columbine, because it’s all about the clothes and never ever about the GUNZZZZ

  50. 50.

    Mart

    January 3, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @efgoldman: Forgot about that book/movie. Thanks for the link. My daughter is living the same story 50 years later. Wow. Remember that was a great movie. Will have to rent; invite the daughter and boyfriend over for dinner, movie, and popcorn.

    After doing miraculous work for 3 plus years, she is out next year. Since her test scores are so good she has been rewarded with nearly double the classroom load the other teachers have. She is the de-facto leader of her Department. District is getting all Chartered out next year. They want to send her to the “good students” school. Not to mention non-existent pay raises. A shame she is leaving. This country has flat out stopped giving a shit about these kids.

  51. 51.

    Mustang Bobby

    January 3, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @Lavocat: Yeah, speaking of money, does it occur to the good people of Oklahoma it’s going to cost them a shitload of money to defend this law in court should it become law? Must be nice to have all those tax dollars to burn off.

  52. 52.

    Lavocat

    January 3, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    @Ruviana: Hey, the clothes make the man. The weapons are just fer shits ‘n’ giggles.

  53. 53.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 3, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    O/T, former Senator Edward Brooke has died at age 95. Another “first.” May he RIP.

    (I don’t know that much about him, but I expect a lot of our Massholes will want to share their memories of Brooke. Maybe we could have a dedicated thread later this evening?)

  54. 54.

    Lavocat

    January 3, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    @Mustang Bobby: I hear Governor Brownback of Kansas is advising them. Tax cuts all around! I’m thinking they might be thinking the law will fund itself. Or something.

  55. 55.

    raven

    January 3, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    @Schlemazel: She’s been mentioned but right now he just had the famous Million Dollar Quartet pic taken and punched it out with Carl Perkins in Canada!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1e/Million_Dollar_Quartet.jpg

  56. 56.

    Southern Beale

    January 3, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    2-year-old’s involved in accidental shootings average one a month. Can we please stop calling them “freak accidents”?

  57. 57.

    Kevin

    January 3, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    It’s bizarre that hoodies are considered the “black” thing, and a “thug” thing to wear. In Canada, it’s basically what everybody wears all winter. You Americans are silly.

  58. 58.

    lol

    January 3, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    @Mart:

    I blame teacher unions.

  59. 59.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 3, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Had I been in Massachusetts, I imagine I would voted for him as well. In fact, I had actually forgotten he was a Republican until I read the Boston Globe obit:
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/01/03/edward-brooke-first-african-american-elected-senate-since-reconstruction-dies/oRou5Pz1NyxIiX1ExZ9w6K/story.html?hootPostID=73a97ef72588a4e4b40679e55fb76b5d

    (I really apologize for the ugly link — a couple of months ago I stopped being able to do clean hotlinks over here. Not sure whether it’s the fault of FYWP or the iPad. Either way, it means hideous strings like the one above.)

  60. 60.

    Botsplainer

    January 3, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    @Josie:

    Goddammit – I got me some fungus and would appreciate the ad. I get the Aquacat and Blackbeard’s Dive Cruises.

  61. 61.

    JPL

    January 3, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    @efgoldman: I did too. rip

  62. 62.

    MattR

    January 3, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    At least the “while committing a crime” part has a bit of logic behind it. I happen to think it is stupid, but I can at least understand the desire to add punishment to criminals that make it hard to identify them. But the “intentionally conceal his or her identity in a public place” part is horrific and seems designed solely to give police another tools they can use to detain and harass people they don’t like.

  63. 63.

    rikyrah

    January 3, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    hmmmmm…

    would it be too cynical of me believing that this law would be enforced SUBJECTIVELY….

    hmmmmmmm

  64. 64.

    Mart

    January 3, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    @lol: Interestingly she was anti-union in a right to work state, so never joined. Think it has to do with college profs pushing the Union = old lazy teachers that can never be fired line to the young pups. I kept asking her to join the Union to at least push-back on her overloaded schedule. She was stressed to the point of illness several times over the years. This year she got in a bind after being set-up by a kid. (Assume he got his line of attack from the internet, pretty nasty piece of work.) No help from her principle. Finally got her to join the Union, and the faux problem then was pretty quicklly handled, and put to rest. Before theUnion stepped in she thought she would be fired – even with the best scores in the District. Hope she learned her lesson on why Unions were created.

  65. 65.

    p.a.

    January 3, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    Breaking:Bill Belichick is a thug!

  66. 66.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    @MattR:

    Keep in mind that the same kind of people who bitch and moan about hate crimes being add-ons to other criminal charges are the ones pushing this law. Because charging someone with a hate crime for beating someone up for being gay is “criminalizing thought” while arresting someone for wearing a hoodie just in case they might be thinking about committing a crime is common sense, amirite?

  67. 67.

    Schlemazel

    January 3, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    @Southern Beale:
    Theres a guy at GOS that puts up a column almost every week of the most recent 100 ‘accidental’ shooting. There are always a bunch of children & the youngest shooter is always under 5, often 2-3 years old. Is this a great country or what?

  68. 68.

    raven

    January 3, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    NEW YORK (AP) — New York Mayor Bill de Blasio (dih BLAH’-zee-oh) and Police Commissioner William Bratton have been saluted as they entered a funeral home for an officer’s wake.

    The action by officers Saturday at the wake of Wenjian Liu (WEHN’-jihn loo) was in contrast to the hundreds of police who turned their backs to video screens showing the mayor speaking at last week’s funeral of Liu’s police partner, Rafael Ramos.

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne

    January 3, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    Also, for those lucky enough not to have Fox-watching relatives, the whole “hoodie” thing is a frickin’ obsession with them. According to Fox, the only possible reason a young black man would put up his hood is to commit a crime, unlike normal (aka white) people who wear hoods when it’s cold or raining.

    Ironically, probably the most famous hoodie-wearing criminal was this indisputably white guy.

  70. 70.

    Schlemazel

    January 3, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    @raven:
    some small amount of talent in that photo.

  71. 71.

    NotMax

    January 3, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    Tempest in a tea party pot.

    Should it ever become law, wouldn’t last five minutes when challenged in court. Even in Oklahoma.

  72. 72.

    Lee Rudolph

    January 3, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    @Lavocat:
    Unconstitutional on its face.

    How can you tell, if you can’t even see its face?

  73. 73.

    Schlemazel

    January 3, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    @Mnemosyne:
    I was disappointed – I was thinking the link was to a pic of Belichick

  74. 74.

    MattR

    January 3, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Pretty much the same hypocritical attitude they have towards guns.

    EDIT: Seems like an appropriate place to drop a link to Will Smith’s training scene in Men in Black.

  75. 75.

    raven

    January 3, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    @Schlemazel: In the Bragg book Jerry Lee said Elvis was very nice to him and told him he was the one who should be at the piano.

  76. 76.

    Baud

    January 3, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    @raven:

    Cool.

  77. 77.

    Mike in NC

    January 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Ed Brooke belonged to the now extinct species known as “moderate-to-liberal Republican” Senator. Nominated me to attend the USAF Academy in case a few other guys suddenly dropped dead. RIP, sir.

  78. 78.

    MomSense

    January 3, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    @Schlemazel:

    Belichick AKA Hoodie Satan.

  79. 79.

    Southern Beale

    January 3, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    @Schlemazel:

    GOS???

  80. 80.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 3, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    @Mike in NC:
    That’s a nice memory for you.

  81. 81.

    danielx

    January 3, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    Bonus points: under this legislation, who decides if a person is wearing a hoodie to “intentionally conceal” their identity? Why, the cops, of course.

    That would be these cops, for example?

  82. 82.

    MattR

    January 3, 2015 at 5:41 pm

    @Southern Beale: Great Orange Satan (aka Daily Kos)

  83. 83.

    Barney

    January 3, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    Oh my God, they outlawed Kenny!!!!!!

  84. 84.

    Botsplainer

    January 3, 2015 at 5:47 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Nominated me to attend the USAF Academy in case a few other guys suddenly dropped dead. RIP, sir.

    You didn’t miss anything. Place was weird.

  85. 85.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 3, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    @Mnemosyne: LEAVE TED ALOOOONNNNEEE!

  86. 86.

    Southern Beale

    January 3, 2015 at 5:49 pm

    @MattR: OH duh. Yeah, David Waldman. I give him a bunch of tips on Twitter.

  87. 87.

    Schlemazel

    January 3, 2015 at 5:53 pm

    @Southern Beale:
    Great Orange Satan = DailyKOS

    sorry, I just assumed its so very used here everyone knew it. It was Bil O’LIEly that named them on FOX.

  88. 88.

    Mike J

    January 3, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    @Schlemazel: Not to be confused with the Baby Blue Beelzebub (atrios).

  89. 89.

    Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)

    January 3, 2015 at 6:06 pm

    @Lee Rudolph: Well played.

  90. 90.

    sm*t cl*de

    January 3, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    nor would it apply to people who wear head coverings for religious purposes.

    Any law with a religious opt-out clause is clearly not designed for obtaining convictions.

  91. 91.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 3, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: This is really simple, then.

    FSM demands Her followers wear hoodies.

  92. 92.

    raven

    January 3, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    Wonder if Cole throws up a Stillers thread?

  93. 93.

    wasabi gasp

    January 3, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    Empty the register and gimme a pack of camels.

  94. 94.

    eemom

    January 3, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    OT, and I guess it is old news by now, but I just noticed the Wonkette box over where that right wing headline thingie used to be. Awesome sauce.

  95. 95.

    celticdragonchick

    January 3, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    @srv:

    We’ll, I guess that anti-sagger bill didn’t work

    Somebody banned the AT-3 Soviet ATGM???

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M14_Malyutka

    Don’t tell the cops in Cleveland…they will assume any black kid carrying a tube of any sort must be a terrorist with a missile…

    /only half kidding here/

  96. 96.

    Smiling Mortician

    January 3, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    @Barney: Those bastards!

  97. 97.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    January 3, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    @MattR: I suspect many, many states have similar laws, and it’s the “hood” part that is (rightfully) getting attention.

    E.g. Virginia Code:

    § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.

    It shall be unlawful for any person over 16 years of age to, with the intent to conceal his identity, wear any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon (a) the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the device and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device, or (b) the declaration of a disaster or state of emergency by the Governor in response to a public health emergency where the emergency declaration expressly waives this section, defines the mask appropriate for the emergency, and provides for the duration of the waiver. The violation of any provisions of this section is a Class 6 felony.

    (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19; 2010, cc. 262, 420; 2014, c. 167.)

    It seems as though wearing a hood or mask in the winter would be Ok (the intent isn’t to conceal), but one never knows…

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  98. 98.

    Brutusettu

    January 3, 2015 at 7:42 pm

    This anti-hoodies law will go great with “broken windows” law enforcing.

  99. 99.

    PaulW

    January 3, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    I am a white 40ish male and I own and use a hoodie.

    F-CK YOU, REPUBLICANS.

  100. 100.

    Steve from Antioch

    January 3, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    Violent crime is such problem in this country that we should all be willing to sacrifice a few of our rights to help curb it.

    Am I right people???

  101. 101.

    p.a.

    January 3, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    The laws from the ’50’s and ’60’s were anti-Klan laws. Times change.

  102. 102.

    Grung_e_Gene

    January 3, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    Concealing your identity while in the commission of a crime, e.g. UUW, is often an enhancing penalty 720 ILCS 5/24-1(a)(9). However, what everyone here has obviously grasped is this is directly making a specific clothing item illegal because of whom it is associated. IANAL but, I am a LEO.

  103. 103.

    Citizen Alan

    January 3, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    @MattF:

    These same AGs sued to stop Obamacare, on the grounds that it infringed on state’s rights– but in this instance they– somehow– feel differently about the state’s rights.

    There’s nothing new in this hypocrisy. They’re the heirs of the antebellum slave-owners who thought that states rights guaranteed their right to keep slavery legal within their own borders but not the right of Northern states to be free of the Fugitive Slave Act.

  104. 104.

    Citizen Alan

    January 3, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Well, any scarf worn on the head in deference to Muslim tradition is, by definition, terrorism.

    Remember when the Malkin Creature accused Rachael Ray of supporting terrorism because she wore a paisley fringed shawl in a Dunkin Donuts commercial that, in the Malkin Creature’s paranoid fantasies, vaguely resembled Arafat’s burnoose? Good times.

  105. 105.

    Southern Beale

    January 3, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    @Citizen Alan:

    I will never forget. I mocked her mercilessly.

    That incident should have ended Malkin’s career. That was 7 fucking years ago. And yet, she’s still here and we’re still getting the same wingnuttery from the far right of the dial … and corporations are still bowing and scraping before these idiots.

  106. 106.

    billb

    January 3, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    I have 2 Oregon Duck Hoodies, and you can be damned sure I am wearing them everyday til the Natty!
    And Gaia willing, when we win!!!!!
    GOOOO DUUUCKS
    [and no cop in Oregon will stop you for that]

  107. 107.

    Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)

    January 3, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    @Grung_e_Gene:

    There is a link above to a PDF of the proposed law and the part that seems potentially problematic to me as a non-lawyer is that they’re adding a provision to an existing law that makes it illegal to attempt to conceal your identity in public even if there is no crime committed or attempted. How in the heck do you go to court and prove that you were not trying to conceal your identity, you were just cold?

    Also, too, if I read the law correctly, it’s illegal to put on blackface makeup unless you’re part of a minstrel troupe. Seriously, the word “minstrel” is in the law.

  108. 108.

    mclaren

    January 3, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Does this apply to police?

    Most of the riot-armored police I see nowadays are wearing full-ski-mask-style head coverings that make them look like home invaders.

    I’m definitely in favor of passing a law that makes that kind of police head-covering illegal.

  109. 109.

    burnspbesq

    January 4, 2015 at 12:41 am

    The Fourteenth Amendment protects us from this.”

    What. The. Fcuk?

  110. 110.

    Lurking Canadian

    January 4, 2015 at 8:44 am

    I wear a mask every time I walk my dog between December and April. It’s not to conceal my face. It’s ’cause I don’t like frostbite.

    I think Oklahoma has non-trivial winters, so I’m sure they’ve also encountered this phenomenon. However, I am also sure this law will NEVER be used to harass a middle-aged white dude. Not who it’s for at all.

  111. 111.

    arcacdesproject

    January 4, 2015 at 9:37 am

    @J.D. Rhoades:
    Counted my hoodies. I’ve got three. Three separate offenses. Three strikes and your out. Life in prison! (OK, that’s in California. But still.)

  112. 112.

    Grung_e_Gene

    January 4, 2015 at 9:43 am

    @ Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)

    Yes this law makes the act of wearing a robe, mask or disguise the crime in and of itself, which is ridiculous. Remember if enacted, this would grant an officer PC to stop and detain a person, and then ascertain if there’s anything else you can pinch you on. Any arrests made simply because of this statute would probably be aimed at breaking apart protests (Guy Fawkes mask wearers, bandanas, and so forth).

    Also, this enhancing penalty is specifically barred from being used on the criminal pranks of masked Halloween children…

    But, as to the point of legal defense, if arrested you should always argue safety (which is left vague without modifiers) and weather (it’s dusty in OK got to protect your lungs).

    Of course, it’s not right that you’d be arrested for a hoodie but then it’s Republicans we are talking about.

  113. 113.

    kuvasz

    January 4, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    If the government can tell you what not to wear, it can tell you what you have to wear, say a pink triangle or six-pointed star.

  114. 114.

    pluege

    January 4, 2015 at 6:44 pm

    nothing like “small” government republicanism telling what they can and can’t wear.

Comments are closed.

Primary Sidebar

On The Road - PaulB - Olympic Peninsula: Lake Quinault Loop Drive 5
Image by PaulB (5/19/25)

Recent Comments

  • trollhattan on Monday Morning Open Thread: Another Week (May 19, 2025 @ 3:02pm)
  • HopefullyNotcassandra on Medicaid cuts approved in the House (May 19, 2025 @ 2:58pm)
  • RevRick on Medicaid cuts approved in the House (May 19, 2025 @ 2:56pm)
  • HopefullyNotcassandra on Medicaid cuts approved in the House (May 19, 2025 @ 2:55pm)
  • HopefullyNotcassandra on Medicaid cuts approved in the House (May 19, 2025 @ 2:52pm)

PA Supreme Court At Risk

Donate

Balloon Juice Posts

View by Topic
View by Author
View by Month & Year
View by Past Author

Featuring

Medium Cool
Artists in Our Midst
Authors in Our Midst
War in Ukraine
Donate to Razom for Ukraine

🎈Keep Balloon Juice Ad Free

Become a Balloon Juice Patreon
Donate with Venmo, Zelle or PayPal

Meetups

Upcoming Ohio Meetup May 17
5/11 Post about the May 17 Ohio Meetup

Calling All Jackals

Site Feedback
Nominate a Rotating Tag
Submit Photos to On the Road
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Links)
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Posts)
Fix Nyms with Apostrophes

Hands Off! – Denver, San Diego & Austin

Social Media

Balloon Juice
WaterGirl
TaMara
John Cole
DougJ (aka NYT Pitchbot)
Betty Cracker
Tom Levenson
David Anderson
Major Major Major Major
DougJ NYT Pitchbot
mistermix

Keeping Track

Legal Challenges (Lawfare)
Republicans Fleeing Town Halls (TPM)
21 Letters (to Borrow or Steal)
Search Donations from a Brand

PA Supreme Court At Risk

Donate

Site Footer

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

  • Facebook
  • RSS
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Comment Policy
  • Our Authors
  • Blogroll
  • Our Artists
  • Privacy Policy

Copyright © 2025 Dev Balloon Juice · All Rights Reserved · Powered by BizBudding Inc

Share this ArticleLike this article? Email it to a friend!

Email sent!