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You are here: Home / Politics / Republican Stupidity / The Loneliest Number

The Loneliest Number

by $8 blue check mistermix|  January 22, 20159:17 am| 62 Comments

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Senator Brian Schatz (D-HI) introduced two amendments to the Keystone Pipeline bill. The first asked his fellow special snowflakes to agree that climate change is “not a hoax”. That passed 99 98-1  , with Roger Wicker’s (R-Mississippi Goddam)”No” being the saddest experience you’ll ever know.  The vote on Schatz’ other amendment, which stated that climate change was a man-made phenomenon, got a few Republican votes, but “failed” on a 50-49 majority vote.  You can click that link to see the 100% Republican opposition to that amendment.

Whenever the topic of Republicans broadening their appeal to the youth comes up, remember stuff like this. The skinny-jeans-wearing, messenger-bag-slinging youth of today (they all look like this) think that climate change denial is an indicator that you’re a fucking dinosaur:

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Also, too: Daniel Inouye was a great human being, but it’s nice to see a safe-seat liberal acting like a safe-seat liberal.

Update: The first vote was 98-1. Looks like Lindsey Graham bravely ran away.

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  1. 1.

    cokane

    January 22, 2015 at 9:19 am

    is it just me or is it still sad that 23% still give a positive reaction?

    i guess i should be happy at least it’s below 27, but still…

  2. 2.

    Davis X. Machina

    January 22, 2015 at 9:22 am

    @cokane: Team spirit. There are still New York Knicks fans, for example. And Jacksonville Jaguars fans.

  3. 3.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 9:25 am

    There are 100 Senators. Who’s the chickenshit who didn’t vote?

  4. 4.

    Catherine D.

    January 22, 2015 at 9:31 am

    @Cervantes:

    Huckleberry Graham didn’t vote.

  5. 5.

    C.V. Danes

    January 22, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Perhaps Senator Brian Schatz can offer a third amendment in which the Senate recognizes that the Republicans are in paid willful denial on climate change…

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    January 22, 2015 at 9:36 am

    @Catherine D.:
    Does he have a parent’s note to excuse his absence?

  7. 7.

    mai naem mobile

    January 22, 2015 at 9:42 am

    @Amir Khalid: he was getting married to john mccain now that gay marriage is legal in sc. Not sure how mccain voted.

  8. 8.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 22, 2015 at 9:43 am

    @Cervantes: Isn’t Harry Reid in the hospital?

  9. 9.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 22, 2015 at 9:44 am

    @Davis X. Machina: Hey! Hey! Let’s not badmouth poor long-suffering Knickerbocker fans.

  10. 10.

    mai naem mobile

    January 22, 2015 at 9:44 am

    I don’t understand this climate change controversy. Jeezus, most of it has to do with clean air and improving energy efficiency. People are against energy efficiency? Seriously GFY.

  11. 11.

    Violet

    January 22, 2015 at 9:45 am

    Don’t see how that’s going to affect votes. Young white people have shown they vote for the White People’s Party. And then there are the majority of young people, the ones who don’t vote.

  12. 12.

    beth

    January 22, 2015 at 9:46 am

    @Gin & Tonic: I’ve seen photos of him at work this week. News report last night said he’s going to have surgery to try and regain vision in his damaged eye.

  13. 13.

    Joel

    January 22, 2015 at 9:54 am

    @mai naem mobile: Not hard to understand. Burning fossil fuels, starting with oil, is the primary driver of anthropogenic global warming. Remedies to this problem devalue those assets, which are under the control of powerful monied interests both home and abroad.

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    January 22, 2015 at 9:55 am

    Also, too: Daniel Inouye was a great human being

    Sez you.

  15. 15.

    JPL

    January 22, 2015 at 9:57 am

    @mai naem mobile: Graham is more of a Mitch type, imo.

    The second and third amendments failed, since the repubs refuse to blame man for climate change.

  16. 16.

    C.V. Danes

    January 22, 2015 at 10:11 am

    @mai naem mobile: Basically what @Joel: said.

    Note that “people” for the Republicans typically means the Koch brothers and their ilk. So, if you substitute “Koch brothers” for “people” in whatever comes out of a Republican’s mouth it makes better sense :-)

  17. 17.

    dedc79

    January 22, 2015 at 10:12 am

    @Gin & Tonic: They’ve won two games in a row!!!

  18. 18.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    January 22, 2015 at 10:14 am

    Looks like Lindsey Graham bravely ran away.

    Rumor is he was rummaging through his closet.

  19. 19.

    burnspbesq

    January 22, 2015 at 10:18 am

    @dedc79:

    If he’s as smart as he appears to be, Jahlil Okafor will choose to play in Europe if he is drafted by the Knickerbockers.

  20. 20.

    MomSense

    January 22, 2015 at 10:21 am

    I want to scream every time the issue of climate change comes up. As a mom, it feels like the house is on fire and my kids are inside. This is an urgent problem and we are being screwed over by a bunch of oil and gas whores. The Republicans love them some pentagon war planning unless the pentagon is sounding the alert about a threat of an unprecedented magnitude to all life on our planet that might negatively affect oil and gas industry profits–and then even the pentagon become DFH who must be ignored.

    I don’t know what to do about it except that it really doesn’t feel even the minutest bit satisfying to point and mock while the world burns.

  21. 21.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    January 22, 2015 at 10:23 am

    Looks like Lindsey Graham bravely ran away.

    He soiled his armor, he was so scared!

  22. 22.

    chopper

    January 22, 2015 at 10:25 am

    The skinny-jeans-wearing, messenger-bag-slinging youth of today (they all look like this) think that climate change denial is an indicator that you’re a fucking dinosaur:

    now all we need is for these precious self-centered assholes to get off their asses and vote and we might be getting somewhere.

  23. 23.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 10:26 am

    @Catherine D.:

    Huckleberry Graham didn’t vote.

    To be fair, Lindsey Graham did vote for the “other” Schatz amendment (the proposition that “human activity significantly contributes to climate change”). Only four other Republicans voted for it: Lamar Alexander (Tennessee), Kelly Ayotte (New Hampshire), Susan Collins (Maine) and Mark Kirk (Illinois).

    Not to mention, contrary to remarks above, it wasn’t Graham who missed the other vote; it was Harry Reid.

  24. 24.

    Rob in CT

    January 22, 2015 at 10:30 am

    @Violet:

    Right.

    I’d be more optimistic if the Youts voted more.

    I get it, they have other things going on. I did too (though I voted in Presidential elections right from the start, I think I missed a mid-term or two). And it’s always been this way. It likely always will.

    As they age they will be more likely to vote. This might change things… but only if they hold these beliefs strongly. Only if it’s a priority. Many people care LOT more about taxes, war, ‘bortion, etc.

  25. 25.

    chopper

    January 22, 2015 at 10:31 am

    @MomSense:

    yeah, we’s fucked all right.

  26. 26.

    WereBear

    January 22, 2015 at 10:33 am

    @MomSense: Perhaps it’s time to change the way we protest.

    Perhaps we should have a Climate Change Fax Day. Everyone can post their local reps’ fax numbers — state & federal — and fax a simple message about it on that day.

    We should choose a significant day — Earth Day is in April, for instance. That will give everyone time to look forward to it, and plan.

  27. 27.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 10:34 am

    Looks like Lindsey Graham bravely ran away.

    @Catherine D.:
    @CONGRATULATIONS!:

    Wrong. It was Harry Reid, nor was he running away.

  28. 28.

    Mike in NC

    January 22, 2015 at 10:38 am

    That hipster in skinny jeans needs a goatee and an iPod.

  29. 29.

    ruemara

    January 22, 2015 at 10:44 am

    @Violet: this. All of this. I have no more fucks to give for all the supposed liberal subgroups who refuse to vote or vote like liberals.

  30. 30.

    Swishalicious

    January 22, 2015 at 10:48 am

    Just for accuracy’s sake… the “hoax” amendment was a Whitehouse amendment. The 50-49 was indeed Schatz, and it said that human activity contributes to climate change.

  31. 31.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 10:49 am

    @CONGRATULATIONS!:

    Making “closet” jokes about Lindsey Graham may seem funny and sophisticated to you — but it’s neither of those things. I’ll spare you my opinion of what it really is — but I’m almost sure you can guess.

  32. 32.

    Hank

    January 22, 2015 at 10:51 am

    Roger Wicker’s (R-Mississippi Goddam)”No” being the saddest experience you’ll ever know.

    I see what you did there.

  33. 33.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 10:51 am

    @Swishalicious:

    Just for accuracy’s sake… the “hoax” amendment was a Whitehouse amendment. The 50-49 was indeed Schatz, and it said that human activity contributes to climate change.

    Well, if accuracy is what you want, you need to add the word “significantly” to your paraphrase of Schatz. If you look at the actual debate — the amendments offered and the votes taken — you’ll find that the word was, indeed, significant.

    There was a different amendment without the word “significantly” in it and more Republicans did vote for it.

  34. 34.

    catclub

    January 22, 2015 at 11:08 am

    @mai naem mobile:

    clean air

    INteresting point. I think there was some evidence that the lower temps in the late 50’s and 60’s were due to particulates – burning dirty coal comes to mind – and that effect slightly countered the overall warming effect. Remember when giant volcano eruptions caused a year without summer (1815). Same idea. Actually cleaning up the air has made warming more obvious.

    I am not suggesting burning dirty coal as a solution. Instead! nuclear explosions in volcanos! What could go wrong?!

  35. 35.

    Marc

    January 22, 2015 at 11:08 am

    @cokane: The other four percent refused to answer because “courageous” wasn’t an option.

  36. 36.

    jonas

    January 22, 2015 at 11:09 am

    Wasn’t Inouye revealed to be the senior senator who played a little grab-ass with Kristin Gillibrand when she was new to the Hill?

  37. 37.

    catclub

    January 22, 2015 at 11:10 am

    @WereBear: How about a telegram?

  38. 38.

    Seanly

    January 22, 2015 at 11:10 am

    @mai naem mobile:

    Yes, because liberals might have a preference to conservation. Look at the stupid rolling coal phenomenon.

    Another part is that considering the feelings, wants, needs or personal space of others, especially outside of one’s own enclave, is a sign of weakness and unChristian (in their minds). Considering the future and leaving resources for others is also weak and all the good little boys & girls will be Raptured up soon anyway,

  39. 39.

    mdblanche

    January 22, 2015 at 11:15 am

    I find Wicker being the lone no vote on the hoax amendment extremely demoralizing for personal reasons. When a classmate of mine graduated she got a job working in his office on scientific issues. When I teased her a little about that she insisted that Wicker was one of the few pro-science Republicans out there. So now I’m left wondering. Did my friend lie to me? Did Wicker tell her a flimsy lie that she swallowed? Is Wicker pandering to an electorate so terrible that the rest of us really would be better off if they all drowned in a storm surge? No matter how I look at it, I’m left feeling that Republican voters are dumb, mean, or both and it’s time to stop caring about them as people.

  40. 40.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 11:15 am

    @jonas:

    Wasn’t Inouye revealed to be the senior senator who played a little grab-ass with Kristin Gillibrand when she was new to the Hill?

    Alleged to be, perhaps.

    “Revealed” may be too strong, not least because Gillibrand has refused to comment in public (as far as I know). In her book what she wrote was that a senator held her waist and said “Don’t lose too much weight now. I like my girls chubby.”

  41. 41.

    voncey

    January 22, 2015 at 11:17 am

    @Catherine D.: Graham voted yes. Harry Reid didn’t vote — he’s still out with injuries.

  42. 42.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 11:17 am

    The Two Cervantes problem again arises. Not sure what to do about this. Perhaps we can adopt suffixes?

  43. 43.

    Marc

    January 22, 2015 at 11:20 am

    @Violet:

    Young white people have shown they vote for the White People’s Party.

    The white under-30 vote in 2012 was 51 Romney-44 Obama. But hey, keep voicing your scorn – I’m sure it will become self-fulfilling.

  44. 44.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 11:20 am

    @Cervantes: I also note that I am distinguished by the handle being hotlinked, but maybe that’s not good enough.

  45. 45.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 11:24 am

    @mdblanche:

    Did your class-mate lie to you, you ask. As far as I can see, she can have had no good reason to believe Wicker is “pro-science.” Perhaps she was lying to herself in order to justify taking the job — I have no idea.

    Re Wicker’s voters … being disgusted or disappointed is one thing but to “stop caring about them as people” is quite another. Take care.

  46. 46.

    El Cid

    January 22, 2015 at 11:26 am

    There is no global warming because the Sun is Hot, and no dang ivory tower ‘scientist’ ever knew that so there.

  47. 47.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 11:28 am

    @Cervantes:

    The Two Cervantes problem again arises.

    “Problem”?

    If one Cervantes is a good thing, surely two is better!

    Not sure what to do about this. Perhaps we can adopt suffixes?

    Frankly I don’t think it’s a problem. To a first approximation no one cares. Anyone who does care can distinguish us easily enough — the linked name, as you say, but also … other aspects.

    I don’t worry about it, and wouldn’t if I were you.

    Cheers.

  48. 48.

    Randy P

    January 22, 2015 at 11:33 am

    @catclub: Larry Niven (whose fiction I still kind of like despite the fact that he, like Orson Scott Card, turned out to be way off the right end of the nutcase scale) wrote a novel along similar lines. It seems that when the scientists succeeded in ending global warming, it opened the door for the ice age that was being held off. The glaciers came in and wiped out most of the cities in the Northern Hemisphere.

    I don’t remember much else about the novel except that there was a small population stranded in space because the world went anti-science and killed all space programs, and what is left of civilization is saved by Sci Fi Fandom, now kind of an underground who are the only science supporters left.

  49. 49.

    WereBear

    January 22, 2015 at 11:34 am

    @catclub: Nice and dramatic, but not nearly as accessible.

    There’s no longer any point in actually writing our government since the anthrax attacks, and emails are basically ignored.

    But a blizzard of faxes will get noticed. Which is the point of any protest.

  50. 50.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 11:41 am

    @Marc:

    The white under-30 vote in 2012 was 51 Romney-44 Obama

    Yes, down from {54% Obama, 44% McCain} in 2008.

    Also comparing the two elections:

    He did not lose much support among under-30 women: 69% vs. 66%.

    He did lose support among under-30 men: 62% vs. 53%.

    He did also lose support among under-30 African-American men: 94% vs. 80%.

  51. 51.

    Frankensteinbeck

    January 22, 2015 at 11:52 am

    It doesn’t matter what they believe about the issues. The GOP is driven by ‘fuck you, nigger-loving liberals’. As long as they know liberals want to stop climate change, Republican voters of every age will vote to block us – even if they, themselves, think climate change is a problem. Cleek’s Law, guys. It’s a remarkably consistent model for predicting conservative behavior.

  52. 52.

    mdblanche

    January 22, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    @Cervantes:

    Perhaps she was lying to herself in order to justify taking the job

    I admit that was another thought I had. But since she had just finished earning a degree where one of the biggest lessons learned is the importance of not falling into that trap, that possibility seems even worse to me than the others.

    being disgusted or disappointed is one thing but to “stop caring about them as people” is quite another.

    That’s probably just the metaphorical gut-punch I took from this talking. But I think we do risk letting Republican voters off too easy. We want to cling to the myth of the 99% so we lie to ourselves. We say that they’re just dupes of the 1% when really they know what they’re doing is wrong but they choose to do it anyway.

  53. 53.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 22, 2015 at 12:18 pm

    @mai naem mobile:

    People are against energy efficiency?

    Dick Cheney, for one.

    The Dark Lord has earned that name.

  54. 54.

    monkeyfister

    January 22, 2015 at 1:09 pm

    Damn, if that good ol’ 27% doesn’t factor in perfectly here, eh?

    73% say deniers are crazy or ignorant… the rest?… the 27%.

  55. 55.

    Marc

    January 22, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    @Cervantes:

    He did also lose support among under-30 African-American men: 94% vs. 80%.

    Typo, or sample size problem? There is just no way Obama’s numbers were that low for that demographic.

    These exit poll numbers suggested Obama had 91% support among all black voters under 30. If the men only voted for him at 80%, then black women under thirty must have voted for Obama by… 102%?

    OH, SHIT! O’KEEFE WAS RIGHT! ACORN! BENGHAZI!!!1!

  56. 56.

    EthylEster

    January 22, 2015 at 1:11 pm

    I believe that climate change is mostly driven by human activity.
    But the poll of the under 35s is not on this question.
    The poll is on the question that the overwhelming majority of GOPers agreed with….that climate change exists.

    So that undermines the point of your post a bit.
    What is the definition of “climate change denier”?
    Is it “someone who asserts that cc is a hoax” or is it “someone who asserts it is human caused”?
    IMO it means the former.
    Maybe anthropogenic should be prepended.

  57. 57.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    @Marc:

    @Cervantes:
    He did also lose support among under-30 African-American men: 94% vs. 80%.

    Typo, or sample size problem?

    Neither. See here, not only for this detail but all the others I mentioned above.

    There is just no way Obama’s numbers were that low for that demographic.

    Well, look at the article.

    OH, SHIT! O’KEEFE WAS RIGHT! ACORN! BENGHAZI!!!1!

    Yes, I’m sure.

  58. 58.

    Marc

    January 22, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    @Cervantes: Yeah, that looks like a sample size problem. Under-30s are a fraction of the electorate (19% in 2012) and African Americans are an even smaller fraction (13%). Combine the two and you’re looking at such a tiny slice (about 2.5%) that some outliers are bound to turn up. This post describes some of the problems exit polls have with the minority vote.

    I mean, it’s possible that one in five black men under 30 voted for Mitt Romney. But to believe that you’d have to believe that Obama bled more support among young black men (-14 points) than he did among young white ones (-11). And while that would provide a delicious counterpoint to Violet’s attempt to write off an entire generation of white voters, it doesn’t seem too likely.

  59. 59.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    @Marc:

    I mean, it’s possible that one in five black men under 30 voted for Mitt Romney. But to believe that you’d have to believe […]

    Believe things such as the following, perhaps:

    Ninety-four percent of young Black men voted for Obama in 2008. Just 48% of them were in the 18-24 year-old range, making them relatively old for an under-30 constituency. However, it was clear then that young Black men were not as excited about Barack Obama as their female counterparts. In 2008, 45% of young Black male voters said they would be excited to see Obama elected, and 41% felt optimistic but “not excited.” Young Black women voters overwhelmingly said that they would be excited (86.5% and 6.8% optimistic but not excited). Evidence from 2012 exit poll suggests that young Black, male voters may have been quite different from the group that overwhelmingly supported then-Senator Obama in 2008.

    In 2012, young Black men showed an overall strong support for Obama but possibly less so than 2008. Black male voters who responded to the Exit Polls were the least likely to identify as “liberal” among all groups of youth, including White men, meaning that this election may have energized a conservative base of young Black men. Compared to 2008, the portion of young Black male voters who identified as Democrats has decreased, while the proportions of voters who identified as Republicans and Independents have increased. The shift in party identification among those who cast votes does not suggest that the whole population of young Black men have become more conservative. It’s more likely that this election did not inspire a large number of young Black men who came out to support Barack Obama in 2008.

    They were also younger this year than 2008 as a group: 70% of this group was 18-24 years old this year – far younger as a whole than 2008, and younger than the rest of the youth electorate (58% are 18-24). Because data about young Black men who did not vote are not available in exit polls, it is not possible to explore why some young Black men did not turn out to vote. We did, however, explore feelings about President Obama for young male voters of color (including Hispanics, Asians and others) in the section above.

    Which “section above” includes the following:

    Young male voters of color (Black, Hispanic, Asian and other races) cast 16% of the youth votes, three points less than their female counterparts (Women of color) who cast 19 % of the youth votes. Yet, they also contributed to the overall support for Obama by providing a solid Democratic base. As a group, 72% voted for Obama and 25% voted for Romney. As a group, they are more ideologically conservative than women of color (Figure 6). 27% identified as conservative, 37% for Black men and 26% for Hispanic men.

    [This group also] showed a surprisingly strict attitudes toward undocumented immigrants, with 32% saying that they should be deported (Figure 7).

    Overall, young men of color held similar social values as women of color. Yet, more of their votes went to conservative candidates. At least part of this difference may be explained by their view of the current economy and how to improve it. First, young men of color were less likely to think that the economy is getting better (50%) than women of color (59%). Second, 33% of young men of color thought that Romney would handle the deficits and economy better, a much larger portions than those among women of color (Table 1). Finally, although young male voters of color did not fare better than other groups in terms of their income and education, a larger portion of them thought that the economy was good or excellent (51%) than other groups (15% of White men, 17% of White men, and 28% of women of color).

    This group’s turnout has lagged behind their female counterparts in the past, and they may be more difficult to reach by traditional campaign outreach strategies. 70% of them only had cell phones and 37% were non-college youth. Furthermore, they were not likely to be at places of worship regularly (just 25% said they attend religious service weekly or more) and only a small portion of them (17%) belonged to unions. In other words, young men of color were generally not in places that campaigns traditionally reach out to. The voters in this group also likely decided for whom to vote the last: 55% had decided for whom to vote by September, compared to at least 60% among other groups, and 15% had decided in the last few days leading up to the election. Perhaps neither Democrats nor Republicans are reaching out to this group well.

    The data are the same as previously discussed; and the analysis is by the Center for Information and Research on Civic Learning and Engagement. You can find the entire discussion here. Make of it what you will.

    As for this:

    But to believe that you’d have to believe that Obama bled more support among young black men (-14 points) than he did among young white ones (-11)

    Why precisely do you say this doesn’t seem too likely?

  60. 60.

    Marc

    January 22, 2015 at 7:22 pm

    Because Obama’s support among black voters (the racial demographic with his strongest support) has been considerably more resilient than his support among white voters, and I see no reason to assume this would change only among the under-30s (the age cohort with his strongest support). For that matter, I see no reason why the gender gap among young black voters would be more than twice as large as the gender gap among young white voters!

    All the analysis you shared is premised on the same exit poll data, which means it’s subject to the same problems if the exit polls got an unrepresentative sample, as they tend to do with minority voters and subsets of minority voters.

    And this subset is one of the smallest. I did make one mistake above: I estimated the black under-30 vote at roughly 2.5% of the electorate, but I forgot that black men under 30 would be less than half that. Probably substantially less if the weighting in that poll is any guide.

    If black women under 30 voted for Obama at 98%, and men at 80% (according to these exit polls), and they averaged out to 91% support, then men made up about 40 percent of their sample of black under-30 voters. That comes out to just one percent of the total electorate, a size that is ripe for sampling error. If they chose the wrong precincts or made some weird weighting assumptions that would throw everything off. I wouldn’t put a whole lot of stock in those subsamples, especially when the results are so far out of sync with voting patterns.

  61. 61.

    Cervantes

    January 22, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    @Marc:

    Because Obama’s support among black voters (the racial demographic with his strongest support) has been considerably more resilient than his support among white voters, and I see no reason to assume this would change only among the under-30s (the age cohort with his strongest support).

    OK, I think the article I cited goes into possible reasons for the drop-off — but that’s not to say it’s correct.

    All the analysis you shared is premised on the same exit poll data

    Yes, I pointed this out above.

    which means it’s subject to the same problems if the exit polls got an unrepresentative sample, as they tend to do with minority voters and subsets of minority voters.

    Yes, this is true enough, I agree.

  62. 62.

    MMM

    January 22, 2015 at 9:29 pm

    Well, at least Senator Capito is consistent. She said in a debate that she did not believe in climate change or science. One point for Capito for consistency, WV and the rest of us lose.

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