Even though I can’t move, I still have my freedom. Thanks, Dr Paul!
After all the kids in the Christie box are done with their toileting, Nurse Franklin leads them in a little prayer.
I’m sure you can do better.
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[…] against poleo became available, my parents hied me to the doctor immediately because we had seen too many pictures like this on our telly […]
jl
You liberals think this is funny, right? You’ll be sorry when Those People herd you into the FEMA work camps: I posted this is previous thread, but thought as many as possible should know about Rand’s warning to us all.
Why Rand Ain’t Happening
‘ Now it comes out that back in 2009 Paul told InfoWars channel ‘Prison Planet TV’ that mandatory vaccines could lead to “martial law”. ‘
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-rand-aint-happening
Edit: what will happen to our freedom if totalitarian nanny-state states pass laws that force poor oppressed food workers to wash their hands after they take a dump at work, God only knows.
Edit2: and the soap, running water and sinks low wage food workers would have to use, well, they come out or their wages. Ever think of that? Yes you did, liberals, we can read your thoughts. Why do you hate humanity so? And hadwashing laws will be counterproductive! If they have to wash, why would they use toilet paper when their hands are easier and work just as well? You have no answer for that, do you?
Elie
These pics are so powerful — so sad… that people would not realize that polio is devastating… They haven’t seen the photos of poverty stricken women all over the world lining up with their children for this vaccine. They have lived the consequences of this and many other horrible diseases… It is hard to know what to say…I am sure that none of the anti-vaxers have polio in mind when they think of “childhood diseases”. They think of some fleeting illness where their kids get a little fever and spots. They don’t think or paralysis or brain damage.
boatboy_srq
OT: glad the sNoozemax headlines are gone, but what’s with the ad from Liberty University?
p.a.
“I want topsies next time.”
gogol's wife
@Elie:
I remember these pictures so vividly from my childhood, and the terror they inspired.
tybee
jeesus.
philpm
“Thanks to Dr. Paul, our lungs are fully robotic.”
jl
@philpm: We can see vaccinations harms technological progress as well.
Mr. Longform
Kid in the mirror: This free-market iron lung works much better than the socialist ones I was born with.
Jamey
I will not participate in this irony lung caption contest.
Mike in NC
Will the faux Republican program that replaces PPACA also require nurses to go back to dressing like they did in the 1950s?
Elie
@gogol’s wife:
No kidding! I remember the caution not to go swimming, to drink plenty of lemonade, etc. There was no bullshit about being vaccinated at school. If you didn’t have a vaccination certificate from the Board of Health, you got vaccinated. Period. We were lined up by classroom for a full range of vaccinations. I can’t remember if polio vaccine had become the liquid on the sugar cube yet… but there was no bullshit about “choice”.
Ben Cisco
“We can make him better than he was…”
opiejeanne
@gogol’s wife: I don’t remember the one at the bottom, with multiple lung chambers. The one at the top I do remember all too well. A girl from my kindergarten class was in one for a while, but we couldn’t visit her while she was there. She got sick in the fall, the Salk vaccine was administered to my class in the spring, just before I turned 6. She survived and was able to walk a little; her parents brought her for a visit near the end of the school year.
Elie
People also don’t realize that polio can cause selective paralysis.. say, of just your hands, or legs.. blindness… Again, so much ignorance…
Villago Delenda Est
@Ben Cisco: “….we have the money, we have the technology!”
Well, actually, no, we don’t have the money, because we squandered it on tax cuts for the rich and a couple of really stupid wars.
As for the technology, well, no, we don’t have that, because science is evil and contrary to the word of God.
SatanicPanic
This is one of those rare times I don’t feel comfortable joking about something
opiejeanne
@Elie: I think the sugar cube Sabin vaccine was right about 1960. We got the Salk vaccine in our neighborhood in 1956, but I think it was available in 1955, just took a while to create enough to get to us.
They used to read the list of new cases and number of dead once a week on the radio in Los Angeles. I remember being shocked by the number of people in their 30s and 40s who died. It’s funny that a little kid would only be shocked by that, but I think it was so much a part of life to hear how many kids had died that that part didn’t shock me.
Elie
The other thing is that almost all viral illnesses begin with the same “cold like” symptoms with varying degrees of fever. Those that are transmitted via airborne route, get passed very early in the disease episode. Polio is not quite as infectious but again, its early presentation would not separate it from measles, or Ebola for that matter.
Who wants their kids to suffer from something preventable (obviously not ebola yet)? Would you risk your child’s health and wellbeing for something that could be prevented? What is the benefit to your child to get these diseases? What is the payoff for them or for the family? I just don’t get it1
trollhattan
FDR proves it singles out commies.
Polio still exists in the world and I wouldn’t wish it on any child, no matter how addlepated the parents.
chopper
@SatanicPanic:
me too.
chopper
ETA: changed my mind.
the only one i could think of for the top one is “heh. he said fecal-oral“
beltane
When I was a kid it was common to see adults who were blind, deaf or suffering from a host of infirmitiess caused by what are now preventable childhood diseases. In fact, it can be argued that the enormous difference between life expectancies at the beginning of the 20th century and the end of the 20th century can be attributed to universal vaccination programs and the discovery of antibiotics. With both of these things now at risk, the future may start to look more like the past.
opiejeanne
@Elie: My kids’ pediatrician had had polio when she was a kid, just a few years before the Salk vaccine. It inspired her to become a doctor and she was excellent. When we first met her in 1970 she was walking with braces and those aluminum wrist crutches but boy when the Amigo was available she was one of the first ones to own one. My kids loved her and I have to say that on the rare occasions when she was unavailable and we got shunted to one of the other pediatricians, it was a disappointment to them.
DanR2
So… this traveling salesman, worrying about a storm up ahead, stopped at the nearest farmhouse and asked if he could stay the night.
“Sure,” the farmer said, “You’ll have to sleep with my daughter, but she’s in an iron lung.”
opiejeanne
@beltane: The built-up shoe on one leg, attached to an aluminum brace. At one time it was not uncommon to see a couple of those in any group of 100 or more adults.
NotMax
“Building iron lungs means MORE JOBS!”
“Well, it isn’t called ‘Common Core’ for no reason….”
@jl
Still awaiting the telethon to stamp out Rand Paulsy.
joel hanes
I remember wondering why the teachers were crying when they lined the entire elementary school up for free Sabin vaccination.
beltane
@Elie: The anti-vaxxers I’ve spoken to seem to feel that 1) the vaccine is far more dangerous than the illness it prevents, and will almost certainly cause horrible side effects both in the short and long term; and 2) Diseases like Measels and Mumps are actually beneficial in strengthening a child’s immune system and promoting lifelong wellness. The underlying assumption is that their children, unlike other children, are blessed with superior genetics and cannot be harmed by anything “nature” throws their way.
Iowa Old Lady
Do the anti-vaxers skip polio vaccines too? Or is it just MMR?
Pogonip
@Elie: They will.
bfy
how about “we’re in the tank for Rand Paul”
beltane
@opiejeanne: Oh God, yes. I used to see that all the time growing up in NYC. Some of these people no longer had families to support them and were reduced to begging on the street. I wonder if people who grew up in sterile suburbia where nothing bad ever happens have lost the concept of what “bad” actually is.
Marc
@Mike in NC: It will if they get off on it. Nurse uniforms may be too vanilla for those wetsuit-wearing dildo inserters.
Villago Delenda Est
@beltane: Well, their children have white skin, therefore they do have superior genetics.
If they’re descended from Germans, of course. You off color people whose ancestors hung around the Mediterranean don’t count.
opiejeanne
@beltane: I grew up in sterile white suburbia and I remember that shit like it was yesterday. The sight of that iron lung at the top shocked me a bit, because while we’ve been talking about the visual reminder was jarring.
beltane
@Iowa Old Lady: Pregnant women exposed to Rubella are at very high risk of giving birth to children who will be blind from birth. Mumps used to be a major cause of male infertility, etc.
beltane
@opiejeanne: I should have specified “post 1980s” suburbia, the time where most of today’s young parents were born.
Butch
@gogol’s wife: I was thinking that – I’m old enough to remember the “smile charts” that would be posted above the iron longs.
aimai
@beltane: My cousin as born deaf as a result of her mother having rubella while she was pregnant. She must be in her fifties now. My Aunt devoted her life to raising her to be fully functional in the hearing community and she speaks and reads five languages. But it wasn’t easy.
gene108
@beltane:
Yes. People have forgotten what “bad” actually is.
But I think there’s an instinctive level of paranoia in humans, as a group – maybe something to do with making sure the leopards don’t eat you at night – but if we do not have actual, material, problems staring us in the face, chunks of society will create things to become worried about.
Whether it is vaccines or commies or GMO crops or
Arabs,Japaneseor Chinese businessman buying up America, I think we need to be afraid.opiejeanne
@joel hanes: Sabin was the sugar cube (1962), and it came out a few years after the Salk vaccine (ca 1955), which was an injection.
Violet
@beltane:
The future is already looking like the past. We’re back to oligarchs controlling our politics, the middle class being gutted and social programs being shrunk or eliminated. Little wonder things like preventable diseases are back in the news.
opiejeanne
@beltane: That is the problem, isn’t it. They don’t remember the way it was.
When I was about 6 we took the train from Pasadena to Kansas City. It was a great adventure, and my dad figured out how the swivel worked so that the four of us rode facing each other. Being a nosy kid I was interested in the boy my age sitting with his mother in the seats behind ours. They were deaf. Mom had had something, measles or rubella, while pregnant with him. She could talk to us but he was unable to make himself understood verbally yet, at least to me. He made himself understood at one point by punching me in the arm, though.
piratedan
and tell us which child will be in the secret square today Johnny?
It’s amazing that these fuckers can continuously pine for Leave It To Beaver land and simply forget that this was part and parcel of the package….
Iowa Old Lady
@beltane: Yes, I know. Believe me, I think not vaccinating is child neglect. I just want to know how far it extends.
blueskies
So asshole Rand Paul CLAIMS that he’s heard of or knows of or experienced MANY, NUMEROUS, SEVERAL, HAPPENS-ALL-THE-FUCKING-TIME cases of kids who were NORMAL one day and then severely neurologically damaged the next, ALL because of vaccinations.
And not ONE motherfucking talkinghead asks him, “Yeah really? Where are the case studies? Newspaper reports? Hospital records? Interviews with sobbing parents? Any proof at all?”
If these people were kids in Paul’s lifetime, then many, if not most, should still be alive. Where are they?
They don’t exist.
He’s making it up.
And it should be obvious, hell, IS obvious, to everyone.
Yet not ONE so-called reporter is asking him the simple question: What proof do you have of this happening?
Mike in NC
@beltane: Back in the day, rich kids attending prep schools in the US and UK were encouraged to take cold showers because they built character.
JCT
I did my residency in one of the big Manhattan hospitals. In one of the very old multi-bedded wards they still had a bunch of iron lungs lined up. The senior docs described what it was like when they had many of these rooms all filled with patients in iron lungs. Horrifying. My brother in law was born in ’48 and he said summers in NYC as a child before the vaccine were simply terrifying.
These anti-vaxxers are a special kind of idiot.
Capri
My father worked at Lederle laboratories in the 1950’s where the first effective oral polio vaccine.was developed. As soon as there was some available, he gave it to my sister and I. I was a newborn at the time and was given the vaccine in my bottle. The fact my father was willing to give his children a completely experimental, non-regulated, non-anything viral vaccine speaks to how terrified people were of the possibility of coming down with polio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_Koprowski
Iowa Old Lady
Another question: Didn’t the ACA say insurance had to cover vaccinations with no co-pay? Am I remembering that right?
Baud
@beltane:
Relevant (via Reddit)
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2unklr/history_repeats_itself_antivac_comic_from_the/
catclub
@Mike in NC:
Everything old is new again. Go look for Reihan Salam’s article in Slate on his chilly apartment.
Or other items on keeping thin through being cold(er).
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/low_concept/2015/01/turn_down_your_heat_don_t_do_it_for_the_planet_do_it_for_you.html
jl
@blueskies: It would be disrespectful. And he would just tell you shush up and let him talk if you did ask any hard questions and you happened to be person with lady parts trying to be journalist (how cute, look a lady trying to do man;s work!).
opiejeanne
@piratedan: Oh, I ran across one loon pushing his anti-vax book on a forum, and he kept telling people to look at the way measles and chickenpox was portrayed in sitcoms! As if that was all the truth anyone needs. Of course a sitcom wasn’t going to show anything more horrifying from measles than missing the prom, and those spots the kids got were never that bad of a rash. Very cosmetic, nothing to worry about. The kid with the disease was never shown to be in much distress other than a low fever, maybe. They always recovered without any harm being done.
Ugh. Was just reminded of the chickenpox party when my girls were little. I didn’t let them go because I didn’t want them to have it period. The neighboring moms thought I was silly. My kids all got it the following year when the youngest was in kindergarten, including my son during his Freshman year of college. So, for six weeks I had sick kids, one coming down with it as soon as the previous had recovered. Thankfully they weren’t terribly sick and when the first one, the youngest, got bored I sat her down in the backyard with a bag of peanuts and showed her how to get the scrub jay in our garden to lose his fear of us. By the time the third kid was done that bird was landing on his lap.
Violet
@opiejeanne:
It’s not that they don’t remember–they weren’t even alive when it was bad. They can’t remember. The Salk vaccine has been around for a long time–long enough that most parents of young kids don’t even have parents who weren’t vaccinated against polio.
So today’s young parents have to take the word of others about how bad it was. How these diseases they’ve never seen, that no one they’ve ever known has had, are worth preventing. Convincing people of that isn’t all that easy. And when you add to it the anti-vaxxers–and there are plenty of those people around, who believe their kids were harmed by vaccines–it makes it that much harder.
Maybe we need programs where those who remember the bad childhood diseases go into schools and talk about how bad it was. Like Holocaust survivors have done. Maybe Ken Burns should do a documentary on it that’s required viewing in school. Maybe doctors and schools should have parents sign forms with all the dangers of the childhood diseases listed, along with pictures of the kids affected.
Our vaccinations have been so successful no one believes they’re still or necessary.
Elie
@opiejeanne:
I didn’t know anyone who became ill, but I remember my Mom being worried and talking to my grandmother about keeping my sis and I healthy.
Adults who get polio frequently have permanent problems.. this is a serious disease that should be avoided…. BTW — polio is an enterovirus that is transmitted in human poop.. beware of failed septic systems as a means for transmitting this disease if vaccination rates keep dropping…
raven
Paul just walked it back and said he didn’t say what he said.
hedgehog the occasional commenter
@opiejeanne: I remember getting the sugar cube vaccination. We went to the Shrine hall in the town I grew up in; huge crowd, nurses handing out little paper cup after little paper cup of the vaccine. I think I was 5 or 6 (I turned 5 in 1963–yep, makes me an Old). I remember my mom talking about swimming pools shutting down for the summer because of polio.
raven
And Dr Nancy Sneiderman, who ignored her Ebola quarantine, is on as an expert. That is helpful.
opiejeanne
@blueskies: One did on CNBC, and he told her to calm down. Not a good way to talk to an interviewer, especially a woman.
jim
I’m sorry, but I get no humor out of this, only a bitter reminder of how cynical, stupid and perverse the republican party has become.
beltane
@Violet: A Ken Burns documentary would be great idea. It should also encompass the struggle to create some kind of public health system, a fight led by heroes such as Sara Josephine Baker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Josephine_Baker
Baud
@raven:
Since Paul does that with every issue, I’m going to assume based on the context that “it” refers to his recent comments about vaccinations.
beltane
@Elie: Well, the good Senator from North Carolina doesn’t think restaurant employees should be required to wash their hands after using the lavatory so the Republicans have that angle covered.
Bill D.
@beltane: No shit… errr…. nevermind.
opiejeanne
@Elie: That’s why they got it at the public pools! If I knew that about how it spread, I had forgotten until just now, and I never made the connection between poop and the pools until now. Or maybe I did. I have CRS days: Can’t Remember Shit.
Violet
@raven: I think she’s on contract with NBC and they’re just waiting out her contract by giving her the fewest number of appearances possible. The Today Show has begun using another female doctor much more than Nancy Snyderman. I don’t expect her contract to be renewed.
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady:
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/facts/factsheets/2010/09/The-Affordable-Care-Act-and-Immunization.html
opiejeanne
@hedgehog the occasional commenter: I got both the Salk and the Sabin. They handed out the sugar cubes in paper cups at a jr high on a weekend in either 62 or 63. I don’t know when my parents were vaccinated for polio prior, but they got it that day.
JaneE
I knew one of the “lucky” polio victims. Leg brace but limping under her own power with occasional use of crutches when she was especially tired. The saddest part was watching her look at kids her age who could play dodge-ball or hopscotch, or just run around the playground, and listen to her cheer for her sister and her teammates at softball. And, of course, she was an exceptionally beautiful girl, as if that could make up for anything.
Elie
@beltane:
Yeah, saw that… honestly — what can one say??????
JCT
@raven: Now there’s a surprise. Isn’t the nonsense about “severe mental illnesses” on tape? What a waste of protoplasm that guy.
opiejeanne
@beltane: Oh but Ken Burns is a liberal, and we can’t be having with liberal doctrine being forced on our children!
I couldn’t believe the nonsense spouted about his baseball documentary.
Violet
@raven: Oh, for fuck’s sake. I just looked her up, found her Twitter feed and this was her latest tweet:
Seriously? She has no shame.
opiejeanne
@JaneE: Do you remember the adults shaking their heads sadly, because she’d never be able to get married?
Elie
@opiejeanne:
Yep — poop but also saliva, etc…
From the CDC:
Handwashing is a good thing!
grandpa john
The big problem here is that most of these idiot anti-vaxxers won’t even understand the horror implicated in these pictures as they are younger, born after the development of polio vaccines so they don’t even know what they are looking at. Probably they have never heard of the iron lung and and have no knowledge of what went on in the days before polio vaccines
WereBear
@grandpa john: They are dismissive of measles which can kill and maim. They think their child’s immune system can fight off tetanus.
They are stupid.
PurpleGirl
In my mid-30s I was going through a phase of having strep throat every few weeks. My doctor was concerned because strep throat can lead to heart problems. My then boss was upset with the time I was taking off. Didn’t want to comprehend the implications of strep throat. (Thank goo, when I changed jobs I stopped being sick. Doctor told me that stress can bring on strep throat if it’s hiding.)
NotMax
Also it should be noted that polio survivors are at significant risk, decades later, of post-polio syndrome.
philpm
@beltane: I fully expect that when one of their perfect snowflakes is horribly disfigured by one of these diseases that they’ve allowed to come back to prominence by their ignorance, they’ll be the first in line filing a lawsuit against the government for making the vaccines to “dangerous” to give their kids and causing them to get infected in turn.
jharp
That has to be one of the most depressing pictures I have ever seen.
My folks had friends who were polio victims and used to talk about how everyone was so terrible frightened of it.
Can’t say I blame them. What a dreadful disease.
jharp
@Iowa Old Lady:
“Didn’t the ACA say insurance had to cover vaccinations with no co-pay? Am I remembering that right?”
Yes.
Scott Alloway
@gogol’s wife: I remember them too. I was a March of Dimes volunteer at 10, going door-to-door with a collection box. The iron lung images still cause a shiver, and I’m an old, hardened guy, having been a social worker and journalist these past four+ decades.
BruceFromOhio
@SatanicPanic: This.
Sorry, kids, I know its a target-rich environment, its just beyond the pale. Preventable diseases that totally fuck up people’s lives just isn’t that funny. These snowflake people should be isolated and alienated, not laughed at.
Dr. My-Children-Are-Pure and his family need intervention, now.
ETA: Picture a scene where a cancer vaccine is discovered, and made available tomorrow.
blueskies
@opiejeanne: Yeah, I just came across that. I swear, it really would take very little to keep these creeps out of office if we just had a decent press. His “severe mental illnesses” bullshit should be brought up at EVERY press conference until he publicly apologizes over and over and over and over. THEN they should start in on his shushing the ONE reporter who first called him on it, and make his apologize all over again.
And then shave him bald on the the evening news and toss him naked into ice water. Hey, ’cause as someone pointed out up-thread, it builds character and he needs all the help he can get in that department.
I still just cannot believe that this guy is a US Senator.
Sad_Dem
My partner has had grave health issues throughout her life because her mother got rubella while pregnant. The antivaxxers must be mercilessly ridiculed and defeated.
JaneE
@opiejeanne: Not really. She was about 5 or 6 years younger, I was friends with her big sister. I did see her once when she was in high school. The leg brace was a lot smaller, and the limp a lot less noticeable. She did a lot of rehab. Still beautiful, though. I did see an engagement notice a few years after that in the paper. She did consider herself lucky, some of the kids from her hospital stay wound up in iron lungs. When we were playing board games or dolls or “girly” things, she was just one of us (the younger pesty sister version). But it still made me feel sorry that she couldn’t do everything, and she dearly wanted to be able to play hopscotch. Why that particularly, I don’t know. Maybe because we all would up looking awkward and falling over half the time. The Salk vaccine came out just about a year after she got to come home.
David Koch
but, but… Rand Paul opposes Drooooonzez!
Andrew
The latest in Anti-Vaxxer’s Children’s fashion including this sweet little ensemble from the Jenny McCarthy Range