Or rather…
MMMMMorrrrrronnnnns:
The reanimated corpse of Dr. Jonas Salk, the medical researcher who developed the first polio vaccine, rose from the grave Friday morning on what authorities believe is a mission to hunt down idiots.
The usual suspects beware.
Another drive-by post, but go read the whole of Andy Borowitz’s update to his eponymous report.* It’ll help your mood.
You’re welcome.
*Yes. I did put this post up solely for the purpose of getting to type “eponymous.” It’s the little pleasures…
Image: Antoine Wiertz, The Premature Burial, 1854.
Gin & Tonic
Way OT, but figuring TL might check back, or another Hubster. Anyone have any idea how long it’d take to ride the Red line from Braintree to Harvard on a weekend, even approximately? The MBTA site doesn’t give anything that looks like a schedule, just departure times of first and last trains.
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
That’s written almost entirely in a foreign tongue, save for the occasional “the” “or” and such. Presumably anyone who can help will understand, so good luck with those Hubsters!
Also, too, pretty sure it’s spelled “Bwaaaainnnnnns!”
Tenar Darell
@Gin & Tonic: If there are no issues on the line (there have been problems lately due to cold and snow) I usually figure it’s an hour, maybe if I’m lucky and the train comes right away, 45 minutes. It’s been running about a half hour from Quincy Adams to Park Street which is the same train.
Tom Levenson
@Gin & Tonic: @Tenar Darell: Add ten from Park to Harvard…so yeah 45-minutes to an hour is about what my nieces and nephews who live down that way allow. I haven’t done the run myself since 1979, so my own experience ain’t much of a guide.
Violet
Reanimated corpses don’t matter unless it’s Saint Ronald of the House of Reagan.
Buddy H
If you want a laugh, wander over to Amazon and look at the customer reviews for “Melanie’s Marvelous Measles”
Anti-vaxxer children’s book designed to make kids comfortable with previously-eradicated infectious disease. Some powerful humorists rose to the occasion to review this book. I tip my hat to them.
Gin & Tonic
@Tenar Darell: Thanks to you and Tom.
Mike J
@Gin & Tonic: Google maps says 42 minutes. There’s a transit option when you ask for directions.
YMMV.
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: It’s a subway line (well, mostly above ground, but still called a subway.) “The Hub” is Boston.
Gin & Tonic
@Mike J: I’ve found Google to be pretty optimistic sometimes.
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
Okay, you just put “Pennant fever grips Hub” in a whole new light.
jl
Should be a trigger warning for sensitive people who fear being buried alive by mistake.
And, maybe this should be in previous thread, but looks like Rep Alcee Hasting prompted a TX Rep named Abbot to defend recently over-ruled dildo bans in a TX city. Sadly, I could find no details of Abbott’s defense of dildo bans in the story or the links.
Florida Lawmaker Rails Against A ‘Crazy’ Dildo Ban In Texas
TPM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/alcee-hastings-texas-crazy-dildos
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: Try “Hub man killed in blast.”
jl
@Gin & Tonic:
‘ “The Hub” is Boston.’
Boston should do better than ‘the Hub’. Even weirdo parochial west cost SF got itself named The City.
That’s just an IMHO, of course.
satby
I’ve been on a tear about the anti-vaxxers all week. When my oldest son was 9 months old, he developed an ear infection that became hepatitis B meningitis. He was in his own little isolation intensive care room, and though he recovered fully, we had follow up tests to be sure that he hadn’t become deaf and that he didn’t develop aplastic anemia from the treatment for the next 5 years. He was seriously, seriously ill.
The Hep B vaccine was released only a few months later. Too late for him, and he probably would have been too young anyway, but I went through that remembering peers of mine that had been deafened by measles when I was a child. Why any parent would risk that due to their own denial just makes me furious.
Iowa Old Lady
I see Joe Biden will miss Netanyahu’s speech because he’s “traveling.” I hope he’s going to Israel to shake hands and exchange promises with Bibi’s main opponent in their upcoming election.
Iowa Old Lady
@Buddy H: Thanks for pointing out those book reviews. Well deserved ridicule.
trollhattan
@satby:
You’ll “love” this.
How are AM radio talk shows even a thing anymore?
ETA the story includes this Bell dude claiming polio in the ’50s was mostly caused by DDT.
dmsilev
@Iowa Old Lady: No, no. Joe Biden should be “traveling” all the way to the White House, where he and Obama are photographed kicking back and watching a movie or playing golf or something.
Buddy H
@Iowa Old Lady: Some funny stuff. Satire and laughter can be a sword rather than a shield.
My local radio station, I used to love to hear good discussions and rare music, but now more and more I hear Gary Null. He’s apparently syndicated, and smarmy as ever.
I remember listening to him on WBAI in the late ’70s. I was listening the morning of his famous meltdown, when he threw a tantrum on-air and stormed out of the studio. One of the other DJs, a wit who hosted a classical music show, called it “thrilling.”
Violet
@trollhattan:
From the Wikipedia entry on polio:
Totally the fault of DDT.
Roger Moore
@trollhattan:
So you weren’t familiar with “Hub Fans Bid Kid Adieu“?
Mike in NC
Joshua Keating at Slate has a new “If It Happened There” piece, written in the condescending tone that many American reporters use when writing about events in Third World countries. This one, called “Traditional Beliefs and Distrust of Authority Fueling Disease Outbreak”, deals with the anti-vax crowd.
jl
@dmsilev: Poor weeping Johnny, two-bit hood Bones. Kicked to the curb by all and sundry. Thrown under the bus by Netanyahu now. I read in the news that Netanyahu’s people say Johnny Bones misled them about the invitation. Maybe Netanyahu should take his own ex-ambassador’s advice and cancel the speech?
And this was supposed to be a big pre-election gimmick for Netanyahu and a clever poke-in-the-eye to Obama for the GOP. Live by the rat-f*ck, die by the commonsense reaction, sooner or later.
Belafon
@trollhattan: If it wasn’t for the fact that diseases like measles require herd immunity to be eradicated, I would be ok with people not getting vaccinated. I would also push for the government to randomly release the virus just so that their stupidity hurts them.
JPL
@Buddy H:
trollhattan
@Violet:
A known time-traveling pesticide, used on crops by dinosaur-riding farmers, among others. Just sayin’.
satby
@trollhattan: I’ve come close to slapping a few moronic young mothers over this. Yeah, lots of kids bounce through measles or other stuff without trouble, other ones may be damaged for life or worse. Why risk that?
We never knew how my son was exposed, he wasn’t in day care at the time and no one around him had been sick at all. These idiots expose their children to a potentially serious illness and see nothing wrong with exposing other people’s kids without their knowledge or consent. And my healthy child with a non compromised immune system almost died. His little brother was lucky because by the time he was born the vaccine was well established.
JPL
@dmsilev: You might be right, since Joe’s office didn’t release his itinerary. You should make one up for him.
Iowa Old Lady
I heard a California anti-vaxxer on TV a couple of nights ago, maybe on TDS. She said she lived in a well off community of smart people. Then she paused, like she thought that would explain why her kid wouldn’t get measles. Then the interviewer waited, she went on saying that she thought her neighbors knew what they were talking about. It was a disgusting example of smug superiority.
SRW1
@trollhattan:
Take that, bugs!
jl
@JPL:
” You might be right, since Joe’s office didn’t release his itinerary. You should make one up for him. ”
Joe is good with the crowds. Maybe he could walk around the WH and say hi to people, then stroll down the Mall, drop by some monuments and say hi some more. Do some selfies with the tourists on the Capitol steps. Drop over by the Library of Congress and do some more selfies, plug books and reading, and passenger trains, community colleges and some other stuff. That would be a nice trip for the veep,
trollhattan
@Belafon:
WRT the ones likely to be hurt–the kids–I lump the anti-vaxxers in with gun-humpers who leave loaded weapons around for junior to find. They’re negligent parents who should be referred to CPS.
BTW, that’s what the parents of the three-year old who shot them are going though now. (If they weren’t poor they’d get the “Haven’t they suffered enough?” treatment, but anyway….)
Violet
@trollhattan:
Was that the dinosaur Jesus rode? Must have been.
Berial
@Buddy H: Ain’t not trolling like an Amazon trolling, cuz an Amazon trolling don’t stop!
http://freakoutnation.com/2015/02/anti-vaxxer-childrens-book-is-getting-hilariously-trolled-in-amazon-reviews/
Mike J
@trollhattan:
Wingers usually like to claim that every evil was caused by “banning” DDT, which was never actually banned, although widespread use on crops was prohibited.
trollhattan
@Roger Moore:
Thanks, bookmarked for later. God, how I miss Updike.
Villago Delenda Est
Putting that guy in a concentration camp sounds like a good idea. He won’t last very long in a setting where disease vectors are brought together and stacked like cordwood.
Buddy H
@Berial: Seeing these humorous reviews does my heart good, because I felt sick after seeing all the anti-vaxxer comments on a different site (dangerousminds). Now I know there is an army of James Thurbers and Robert Benchleys slumbering in our nation, quick to awaken and make glorious noise when the need arises.
I hope the dumbass crowd can be laughed out of existence. I can hope, anyway.
Tree With Water
@jl: Referring to San Francisco as [capitalized] The City was a crusade of the late, great columnist Herb Caen. He also made a crusade about never calling it Frisco, that is, until the very end when he allowed it might be OK after all. Silly stuff, but Caen’s popularity and influence in the Bay Are was for decades unparalleled. People actually followed his lead.
trollhattan
@Mike J:
No kidding. And for anybody wanting an unlimited supply, I recommend SCUBA gear and a trip to the Palos Verdes Shelf. Stuff has the longevity of a DeBeers ring.
opiejeanne
@Buddy H: I read them and some are pretty entertaining. Then I took a look inside the book and noticed that the teacher of this class full of measles-ridden children is pregnant. I am stunned.
opiejeanne
@jl: Denizens of SF call it The City. They also call it The Paris of the West. Everyone else just points and laughs, even if they love the place.
trollhattan
@opiejeanne:
Have long found “What, New York?” to be the best response to those referencing SF as “The City.” Even when I lived in Stockton.
Tenar Darell
@jl: @trollhattan: It’s shorthand for The Hub of the Solar System, later Universe apparently coined by Oliver Wendell Holmes.
Tom Levenson
@Tree With Water: Ahh, the Sackamenna Kid! King of the three dot columnists and a man who is missed.
Tom Levenson
@Tenar Darell: Worth noting that an earlier nickname for Our Faire City was the Athens of America.
jl
@opiejeanne: @Tenar Darell: The City is self-certifying honorary title. Tacky rabble like ‘other people’; and the rest of ‘the Universe’ don’t count. Who are those people, anyway?
trollhattan
@Tom Levenson:
Am impressed his fame made it outside of NorCal (but he did get a Pulitzer, didn’t he?). I did love my daily Herbicide (serious dating of self here). Typing this not far from his old Q Street abode.
jl
@Tree With Water: As far back as I remember, Olde Tymey Northern Californians and The City-ites themselves were calling it the The City.
To be honest, I always thought ‘The City’ was rather pretentious.
IMHO, the geographic site of The City should be, and be called, The Pacific San Dunes National Monument.
Maybe if the whole dump was moved to Martinez and Benicia (which almost happened at the beginning of the Gold Rush), it might be livable. At least have California weather.
Tenar Darell
@Tom Levenson: I always liked that one. It even has some relative historical resonance. By that point Boston had become a major center for art, learning and publishing, but NYC port and commerce was much greater. Athens was also surpassed by Thebes, and then Mycenae. (Like I said, relative resonance, but not precision historical similarity).
Jeffrey Burr
@opiejeanne:
@trollhattan:
People in New York and even CT also talk about “going into the City” about going to Manhattan. It’s always struck me as curious how people in the Bay Area doing the same thing got tagged with it being something either unique or arrogant.
Calouste
@trollhattan: If you look for “The City” in Wikipedia, is comes up with, as it should, The City of London.
? Martin
Never understood how Boston became the Hub when New York was founded 6 years earlier and was the larger trade city from the get-go.
SatanicPanic
I love snarky Bloomberg News
opiejeanne
@Tree With Water: When I was in HS in SoCal, we read Herb Caen’s columns in an English class book. He had a mock battle with the columnist for the paper in Riverside in the 80s, and when we moved to the bay area in the 90s he was still going strong, denouncing people who wore shorts in The City and anyone who called it Frisco. The SF paper ran some old columns when Caen was on vacation and it was a bit surreal to read about a night spent hanging around with the Mitchell Brothers at the O’Farrell club, when it had been 5 years since Jim killed Artie.
The column that brought him down, finally, was one in which he doubted the veracity of a tale of molestation of a young boy by older boys in the restroom of their school; Caen excused the older boys for rough-housing or innocent pranks, and said the younger boy was making it all up. The backlash was loud and very angry.
There is a book by John Mortimer called Summer’s Lease, and I always thought that the character of Haverford Downs was based on Caen.
? Martin
@Calouste: Yeah, London or any of a number of other european/asian cities has greater claim than even NYC. I’d have to put Istanbul as the city, though.
εἰς τὴν Πόλιν literally means ‘to the city’, coined 2000 years ago.
opiejeanne
@trollhattan: Haha! You are bad!
trollhattan
@Calouste:
If I ever get onto BART and emerge in The Tube I’ll understand!
? Martin
@SatanicPanic: So, measles is some kind of communist plot now?
opiejeanne
@jl: Ah yes, When we lived there it was well-nigh impossible to get any news about the Southern half of the state, unless it was something dramatically or tragically wrong, like the freeway collapse in the Northridge quake. I used to call my parents to ask about things, because the internet was still not really available to us until about 1999 and nothing like it is now.
SiubhanDuinne
@Roger Moore:
Damn, that is some fine writing.
SatanicPanic
@trollhattan: I like SF, but I’ve always found their superiority complex really silly. I mean, sure, if you want to live in a giant museum piece I guess it’s great. I’ve never lived in LA, but I am happy to admit that LA is the best west-coast city. Unless we’re counting Portland… no LA is still better.
opiejeanne
@Jeffrey Burr: Just curious, but do they all capitalize the words, The and City? They got tagged with arrogance because so many of them are just a wee bit that way, regardless of what they call San Francisco. They tend to sneer a bit when speaking of places like Sacramento or, heavens forbid, that place of endless freeways 400 miles south on I-5.
When I lived near LA, we said we were going downtown. That was it, and everyone knew you were going into Los Angeles. We didn’t capitalize it.
SatanicPanic
@? Martin: Yes, until which time someone determines it came from Africa or Mexico, at which point it will be a Muslim or an Illegal Alien plot.
CONGRATULATIONS!
I was lucky enough to live in SF while Herb Caen was still with us. Every town should have one like him. The man knew what was going on.
Jeffrey Burr
@opiejeanne: I don’t disagree with some of that. “They” includes me, by the way, at least until a decade ago or so. I wrote it capitalized here without noticing and was going to edit it when I noticed but the time had run out.
I don’t know, some people might capitalize it when writing it but the spoken variety “I’m going into the city” is very much the same as you hear in NY, where my family all grew up and I live now, and I can only imagine the same near other cities as well. That’s my point, and why that particular, and widespread, criticism always struck me as odd. LA is different (lived there five+ years also) just in the way it’s laid out, downton LA isn’t a parallel at all.
Provincial, is how I put it. For San Francisco. There’s a certain center of the universe feeling with a lot of people there, and only once I had lived elsewhere did I get to what degree it wasn’t just weird, it was the opposite of true.
opiejeanne
@SatanicPanic: I like Seattle. I love SF, and I love LA. I have never gotten the SF attitude about other places, especially SoCal. I finally stopped a new acquaintance who was raving about what everyone there thinks of LA by telling her that no one in LA thinks about SF much at all.
What’s kind of funny was that we lived in the East Bay and I met a lot of people who were both proud of SF but hadn’t been there in years. I mean, you could hop on BART from Castro Valley and be right downtown in half an hour, and they hadn’t bothered to do that.
When we first moved there, everyone asked us where we were from and followed that up with “Aren’t you so glad to be here, now?”
We didn’t tell them that no, as a matter of fact, we weren’t. All of our family and friends were down south and we were homesick for a town we’d spent 23 years of adult married life in. We gave up our dream house, a big Arts and Crafts bungalow on 1/3 acre 4 blocks from downtown Riverside, to be able to barely afford what seemed like a Motel 6 in comparison, in a community full of conservative ninnies. (The East Bay has large pockets of extreme right wing).
Mike J
@? Martin: Not all of London is The City. Just the financial district, the old city of London. The Square Mile.
opiejeanne
@Jeffrey Burr: I understand that, the calling the nearest big city “the city” makes perfect sense.
I’ve always lived near some large city, near enough that I had a major airport nearby and I could get to a concert or play in an hour or less. I would feel uncomfortable living farther away than that, especially since we are in our 60s now.
My husband had a job offer in Alturas, in Modoc County when he was being laid off, and before Hayward offered him a job . We toyed with the idea of taking it but realized that the Big City would be Sacramento, which was also where the nearest decent hospital was. That was more than a little scary.
trollhattan
@opiejeanne:
Few places in California define “nowhere” better than Alturas. To get there you have to drive to Nowhere, take a left at the intersection then go another thirty miles.
Jeffrey Burr
@Jeffrey Burr:
Oops, another typo.
I’d love to see that show actually.
Like the original, except the servants would have to drive one hour across town to deliver the tea. Chai.
trollhattan
@SatanicPanic:
If I had to pick the one it would be Vancouver, BC. My idea of a cosmopolitan city in a stunning setting.
SatanicPanic
@opiejeanne:
This is pretty much the truth, but it does make it easy to troll NorCal people. Not that San Diego has much room to talk, claiming we’re America’s Finest City and all.
greennotGreen
Back to vaccines: This morning while I was in the radiology waiting room before my port placement, I had the painful experience of having to listen to Good Morning America. They interviewed an anti-vaxer who argued her something-like nine-month old baby didn’t need a vaccine of “unknown toxins” because he’d been healthy up to now. The reporter first said that some parents were refusing to vaccinate because of rumors that vaccines cause autism. Only later did he say “discredited rumors.”
It’s like reporters have never taken any classes in communications, or perhaps I have no idea what a communications class includes; maybe it’s just hair, fashion, and makeup tips. If you’re even once going to say “rumors vaccines cause autism” (which you should never say in the first place,” you should immediately follow it with, “Those rumors were based on a single discredited study; there is absolutely no evidence of a link between vaccines and autism but there is irrefutable evidence linking measles to complications ranging from deafness to retardation and death.”
And yes, a CPS visit for anyone who doesn’t vaccinate a child for other than medical reasons.
trollhattan
@Jeffrey Burr:
Lady Rose considering her first tattoo would have me watching. Mrs. Patmore spends an entire episode seeking free-range quail.
SatanicPanic
@trollhattan: I’ve always wanted to visit there and I finally did. yep, pretty out there. Blythe and Trona are good competition though
Roger Moore
@SatanicPanic:
San Francisco is a really nice city. It has the kind of density you need to have really good city amenities, like working public transit, and tons of great culture. IMO, the cultural superiority comes from two things:
1) History. San Francisco used to be far and away the cultural center of the state and the whole West Coast. They’re used to thinking of themselves that way and haven’t bothered to really investigate how other cities have grown and improved.
2) Political geography. The city of San Francisco consists largely of the cultural crown jewels of the Bay Area metropolitan area without all the suburbs. In Los Angeles, and most other metropolitan areas, the cultural core is only part of the political city, which also contains a whole bunch of much more prosaic residential and industrial areas. That lets San Francisco disclaim those more boring parts and see itself as a pure cultural center.
another Holocene human
@Gin & Tonic: google transit
Also the answer is “too long”. Long dull ride, too long btwn trains. Take the commuter rail and change at south station for red line to the Bahhhn
another Holocene human
@SatanicPanic: To be fair, it *is* nicer than Tampa. (A world class city–just ask them. )
WereBear
@Buddy H: Ah, thanks! I do enjoy Amazon’s snarky reviews.
another Holocene human
@opiejeanne: is it more arrogant than second city (not true) or the hub (but true even when it was true)
How about phoenix even the name is a lie
Roger Moore
@Jeffrey Burr:
I think parochial is perhaps a better way of putting it. People thing that being in a big cultural center makes them inherently worldly, but they can be just as parochial as a bumpkin from the tiniest hamlet. You see it in other big cities, with The New Yorker‘s map of the USA being the classic example.
SatanicPanic
@Roger Moore: San Francisco is also lucky that it didn’t get carved into a ton of pointless small cities like LA did. City of Vernon anyone?
ETA- though I kind of agree with the idea that large parts of the Bay Area should be more politically integrated.
another Holocene human
@jl: some of us LIKE fog, tyvm
Dave c
@SatanicPanic:
“L-A” is a very strange way to spell San Diegom
another Holocene human
@jl: lol, that’s just short for “the hub of the universe”.
The more you know™.
another Holocene human
@another Holocene human: oops that’s of course ‘not* true even when it was true’.
cckids
@jl: I saw some of that the other night on Jon Stewart, I admit I loled, in spite of the ridiculousness of the whole situation even coming up during our nation’s legislature. But Rep. Hastings’ demeanor just killed me.
“Evidently, I touched a nerve deep in the heart of Texas,” Hastings told Bash. “And I would ask them to tie a yellow rose around it and do like ‘Frozen’ and ‘Let It Go.’
So perfect.
Roger Moore
@SatanicPanic:
You’re making exactly the mistake I was pointing out. The San Francisco metro area is at least as guilty as the LA area of being divided into a whole bunch of politically independent cities (and counties) that don’t really don’t benefit too much from maintaining their political independence. It’s just that San Francisco can somehow see itself as being completely separate from Daily City or Hayward in a way that LA doesn’t try to maintain complete separation from Santa Monica or Claremont.
If anything LA has undergone substantial consolidation rather than division. The LA area started as dozens and dozens of separate small towns that gradually grew together into a single conglomeration. In the process, LA politically absorbed a whole bunch of previously politically independent cities and even more developed but unincorporated areas. Other cities in the area did similar things on a much smaller scale.
another Holocene human
@Tom Levenson: less full of it than “the city beautiful”
Scuse me while I barf. ..
cckids
@satby:
Yes. I admit, when my second son was born, I had some nervousness about vaccinating him. In my defense, I was friends with a couple whose son had one of those vanishingly rare, horrifying responses to his first vaccines. Within 30 minutes of having the shot, he had a fever of 105, was having seizures & ended up severely mentally impaired and blind. Seeing them go through this firsthand was terrifying. I already had one child who was physically & mentally handicapped. Plus, I am massively allergic to thimerisol, which, at that time, was used in vaccines as a preservative (since removed).
My pediatrician, however, when we were 1 month past due, listened to my concerns, then gave me all the actual facts about vaccines, found a formulation that didn’t include thimerisol, & got the kid’s shots done. One argument he used that I loved was the fact that, my oldest kid’s disorder is something like a 1 – in 500,000 chance. The vaccine reaction is at least that rare. He told me I was unlikely to hit that bad-luck Powerball twice.
Villago Delenda Est
@SatanicPanic: Portland is working on having traffic as miserable as LA’s, so there’s that.
SatanicPanic
@Roger Moore: I am talking about how people perceive the city- SF benefits from having boundaries that are easy to explain, LA does not. The politics of what the SF metro is or isn’t is a debate I’ll pass on.
Ruckus
@JPL:
Hey! I got a win at something. One in one thousand! Maybe I should have set my time machine to the 21st century and bought a lottery ticket. I mean being one in one thousand and not dying or have brain damage, at least not noticeably, that’s pretty good odds.
opiejeanne
@Jeffrey Burr: bubble tea.
opiejeanne
@SatanicPanic: Blythe is cosmopolitan compared with Trona.
opiejeanne
@Roger Moore: well, Hayward is across the bay and south of Oakland, and you know how they feel about Oakland.
Tehanu
@SatanicPanic:
I live in (and love) L.A. Every time I’ve visited S.F. — every time — someone there has heard the word “L.A.” and made a face or a negative comment, and acted all offended when we objected to their rude remarks. We went up there one time back in the 1990’s for a few days’ vacation, and had a very nice time, but we couldn’t help but notice that the newspaper listing of things to do on the weekend was about a quarter of a page, whereas the listing of things to do in L.A. took up a whole section of the Times. The other thing I remember most vividly about that trip was stepping over bums on the sidewalk, in the rain, on Market Street — a gray, grimy, depressing street that might as well have been in Cleveland or Newark. Ten minutes’ drive away the sun came out and we were back in California. So screw Frisco!
opiejeanne
@Tehanu: The funny thing is that you can be standing in the midst of the East Bay sprawl and get that same reaction, and when you ask them about it they say, “well, you can’t tell which town you’re in when you’re in LA, all those city limits signs of all the little towns, and it’s just so spread out and sprawl-y”. I look around and say, you’re not exactly standing in SF either, are you?