Imagine Jerry descending from Heaven & learning that weed was legal & Dead tickets cost $15K. http://t.co/LH7U4Xb4iA pic.twitter.com/PrPFYh4mJd
— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) February 28, 2015
From the Mashable article:
… When the surviving members of the band announced the shows last month, Deadheads were cheered to hear that the old-fashioned mail-order system was back, too: Byzantine instructions, meant to separate ‘heads from scalpers with No. 10 envelopes and index cards and postal money orders, were supposedly designed to gave fans a reasonable shot at a face-value ticket…
What many didn’t know was that Chicago Bears season-ticket holders, as part of their contract with the team and Soldier Field, had first dibs on seats — meaning thousands of well-to-do Chicagoans had the option of either seeing the historic shows for face value, or turning their hundreds of dollars into several thousands of dollars…
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Apart from the grinding, indignity-rich triumph of capitalism, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the weekend?
shelley
Wanna watch that old ‘Columbo’ repeat on tonight that stars Leonard Nimoy as the creepy surgeon murderer.
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Meanwhile…..still snowing here in NJ. And looks like some more flurrying actiivty thru out the week. Aching to see just a patch of bare grass.
OzarkHillbilly
Who is Jerry Garcia and why do I care?
Scamp Dog
Having a belated Lunar New Year feast at a Chinese restaurant, a little hole-in-the-wall place with authentic, Shanghai style dishes.
Anne Laurie
@OzarkHillbilly: Oh, shush. If you don’t remember Jerry Garcia, you’re just getting senile, old man!
(Also, keep in mind, the Blogmaster was a Grateful Dead roadie in his misspent youth.)
Ruckus
@OzarkHillbilly:
Some dude who played a guitar and had a band. Seemed to like organic stimulants. Not bad if you like that sort of thing.
Pogonip
Not much. I slept most of the weekend; about the time the Flexaril was wearing off and I was starting to wake up, it would be time to take another one. I was lucky to be awake for the poopdate. I have improved enough to begin cutting the Flexarils in half, which should help.
Belafon
The same system that created $15K Dead tickets created a $700 i5 17″ laptop. I don’t mind either of those. It’s the creation of the all the poor people and the lack of a proper tax on the Koch brothers to help said poors that I have trouble with.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Anne Laurie: I was going to say, talk like that from OzarkHillbilly would get Cole to use his rarely used ban hammer.
Ruckus
@Anne Laurie:
Now, now some of us had/have different directions in music.
And just so you know I have a bit of Jerry music. Not a big fan but sometimes it just hits the spot.
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
So I suspect we’ll see a fund drive for new “servers” soon.
SiubhanDuinne
From 1987-96, I worked in CNN Center, which was right next to the old Omni Arena. Once a year, sure as Christmas, the Dead would come to the Omni to do a concert and tens of thousands of tie-dyed Deadheads would show up, usually a day in advance. They blocked traffic, it took (I am not exaggerating in the slightest here) a solid fucking hour just to turn from Marietta Street into the CNN/Omni parking deck. They were horrible. Even worse in the afternoon/evening trying to get the fuck out of downtown Atlanta and get home. They refused to move out of the way of legitimate traffic. I hated them all, and sorry to say, I transferred my loathing and detestation of Deadheads to extend to the GD themselves. Possibly they had some nice tunes, but you’d never know it by me.
Anne Laurie
@BillinGlendaleCA: I could no more be a Deadhead than I could be a Miss America contestant or a Navy SEAL, but it’s just about impossible to have lived through America in the 1960s/70s without having some awareness of the GD.
And then, there’s tweaking the Blogmaster, another rich tradition in these parts…
BillinGlendaleCA
@Anne Laurie:
There are some things you just don’t joke about. LOL.
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
My shop was 2 blocks from the Dead’s old warehouse (they were gone by the time I moved in), a fact which many of the long time residents of the area would remind me. Over and over again. All of my dead music was given to me by people who figured that someone with a large full beard must be a deadhead. Why else would one have a beard?
I now have a whiny kitty trying to take over my lap. She hasn’t had enough attention in the last 5 minutes.
OzarkHillbilly
@Anne Laurie: As somebody very famous** once said, “if you remember the 70s, you weren’t there.” ***
**Robert DeNiro IIRC
***and for the record? I just don’t get it. Didn’t get it then, don’t get it now.
**** also, he remembers his roadie days? With the Grateful Dead?? Really??? You believe that???? (shakes head, snickers, giggles at the unplumbed depths of gullibillity)*****
***** ;-)
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
I could never get into the Dead either.
NotMax
The small town of Paia (Pie – ee- ah) here was populated (or infested, take yer pick) with Deadheads for many, many years. Still a whole passel of them there, but quite a few now run chi-chi shops.
Ultraviolet Thunder
I’ve been off work the last week burning up some PTO that was going to expire. Since I’m in MI and the weather has been horrible I’ve mostly stayed at home for 9 days. My wife, who works from home, is still talking to me.
Tomorrow am it’s back to the work travel schedule, with a trip within MI, a flight to Mpls and a flight to Portland up for the next 10 days.
In other news, my wife is accepting a new job. She’ll be working as many hours as me, which puts us at between 110 and 120 hours/week combined. I’ll have to make an effort to be home on Sundays, her day off.
That’s mostly good, but with some slack appearing in the budget, the immortal dispute over rehabbing the kitchen has roused itself and started sowing dissent.
I know, first world problems. We’re grateful to have them and take nothing for granted.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ruckus:
The whiniest of kittehs cannot begin to rival the fucking Deadheads for sheer annoyance.
germy shoemangler
You know who’s a deadhead? The guy from America’s Test Kitchen! He said on one of his shows that he followed them in his youth, and even got the chance to cook some meals from them.
So you never know. The mildest-looking baby boomer can have a wild past.
Also, Kitty Wigs: http://www.kittywigs.com
“Pink is the color of fantasy. Our model, Chicken, looks like her mind is elsewhere when she wears this wig — somewhere in a land of cotton candy and pinwheels where the air smells like sugar kisses. Pink makes your kitty feel elegant, modern and quintessentially feline.”
http://www.kittywigs.com/pink.html
Ruckus
@OzarkHillbilly:
Does it count if you remember parts of the 70s?
SiubhanDuinne
@Ruckus:
Be glad, I guess, that you weren’t taken for a Fuck Dynasty guy.
EDIT: Hahahahahahaha! Apparently I’ve typed “fuck” so many times that autocorrect thinks that’s what I really mean when I type “Duck.” LOL and ROFL and LMFAO!!
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
Absolutely!
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
Before their time. Which I believe has passed so all is back to somewhat normal. Besides I said full not to lazy to trim once in a while.
ETA Otherwise it would almost be enough to make me shave after 40+ yrs.
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
I thought it was totally appropriate. And I understood who you meant.
Joel Hanes
American Beauty is a perfect thing, with none of the repetition and excess that tends to bore non-Deadheads.
SiubhanDuinne
@Ruckus:
I figured you, and everybody, would know what I meant. I just thought Autocorrect’s default was funny.
OzarkHillbilly
@Ruckus: Sure. I remember parts of the 70s, but they are all kind of jumbled up and surreal. Some of them I know happened (I think), others I think happened (I think… maybe…. kind of after a fashion…)
Truth is I did not do that many drugs, dope, shrooms, a tab of acid or 2, none of which did much for me**, but the truth is more than a little is lost in a haze of alcohol.
**somebody once passed me a dipper in HS, made me sick as a dog and that was the end of smoking dope for me. But when I came back to planet Earth that day, I opened my eyes and saw an embroidered jean jacket hanging on my bedroom door made by my big Sis. I wore it so much, I wore it out, and when the jacket was no longer useable, I cut the back of it off. Saved it for years, lost it in the chaos of divorce.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne: I assumed it was intentional.
Big ole hound
@SiubhanDuinne: Totally agree. I worked near the Oakland Coliseum 20 years ago and whenever the Dead was playing the heads took over the area for a week. Shit and fucked anywhere and left a huge mess, tied up traffic and stole anything. Turned me off to Garcia and followers.
Ultraviolet Thunder
Terrapin Station is a great album that I’v listened to intermittently for 20 years. But the whole Dead cult just leaves me cold. I just don’t hear what a Deadhead hears.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Alas, no. I suppose, if I had been paying attention, it should have been.
Debbie
@Joel Hanes:
Ripple is one of the all-time best songs.
NotMax
@Debbie
Also one of the all-time worst wines.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@Big ole hound:
Turned Jerry off too. The band constantly reminded fans that Garcia was not the mayor of the roving city of Happyville. And that they were expected to behave themselves and follow the law. I dunno how much that helped. Fanatics will act fanatically.
OzarkHillbilly
@Debbie: Even I liked Ripple.
Iowa Old Lady
My nephew was a Deadhead. He supported himself by selling homemade candles from the back of his van. His father was career military. It was an interesting time.
ETA: I drank Ripple “hidden” in a paper bag at U of M football games. God, it was awful.
trollhattan
@SiubhanDuinne:
College roommate owned a Strat and the Skull and Roses LP, and spent spring semester trying to play along with “Not Fade Away/Goin’ Down that Road Feelin’ Bad.” And I mean, to the exclusion of anything else.
Feel sorry for me yet?
And also, too, he smoked Krakatoa Kreteks, an interesting choice for a guy on the swim team.
Jewish Steel
@Iowa Old Lady:
That’s America, if you ask me.
Workingman’s Dead is a fine record.
lamh36
Went to doctor yesterday, and diagnosed with sinus and throat infection. Just started the antibiotic treatment yesterday, but I’d already had a butt shot so I’m thinking the antibiotic was already working, cause I woke up this morning, not feeling bad, but not feeling great either, and I sounded HORRIBLE. So I went ahead and called into work for the next two days. It’s a little tight at my job, since they fired a young lady last Wednesday (I’ll post about that later) another person is going on vaykay for two weeks and we are still short due to another co-worker going on maternity leave (she’ll be back in two weeks though).
Gonna spend the next 2 days sleeping and resting and going out only if/when I have to.
Baud
@lamh36: Feel better.
lamh36
Ok, so just had to share something that happened at work last Wednesday.
A younger co-worker of mine in the lab was fired. She came in for work and my manager had her go over to administration. When she came back to the lab, she was visibly upset and you could tell she had been crying.
I don’t know the exact particulars for her firing, but in her two years within the Micro lab, she has had a number of complaints from other techs in terms of her work ethic and her abuse of scheduling, but she for some reason had the “heart” of our lab mgr, or he saw her in the same light as his own daughter, but whatever the case, no matter what happened, he just never seemed willing to reprimand her. Now he may have been working behind the scenes, but we suspect he just let things she did slide.
So we didn’t expect her to ever get in much trouble for anything. BUT…the one big thing she was doing REALLY had her in the sites of the administration. Apparently, she was having an affair with an older married man who worked in IT. She and he used to leave campus and go to lunch together, if she was on a break, then she was in his office (which he shared with another guy, btw) and they’d have lovers spats alot, or they eat lunch on campus and you def thought they were a couple (one unknowing co-worker once asked them when they were just gonna get married, not knowing that the dude was already married…awkward).
Ok, so late last year, they moved the IT guy to another building located in the offices of the Pathology Admin dept. No one knows why, but we really suspect that the admin and the dudes office mate, were attempting to “physcially” separate the couple. So, no more lunch dates on campus and no more lovers spats in his shared office. So you’d assume they would have gotten the hint and kept their shhh away from the office. Well…NOPE! She would still go to his office, this time in the admin offices, and they continued to have tete a tete…smdh.
Damn…I hate to see a young person lose their livelihood like that, but that young woman just didn’t have any darn sense…smh.
So she’s out and the married dude she was having an affair with is still here. He has more seniority than her and unlike her, he wasn’t slacking off at work or outright messing shit up while at work. To be clear, she had some real issues with her work, that should have gotten her fired long ago, but it never happened. Things became really real though when this affair came to light.
I honestly think if her work ethic didn’t suffer and she at least kept up that end of her job, she’d still be working. But in this case, her work wasn’t up to par to give her any leverage.
I feel bad for her, but I can attest to some of her work being shoddy in just my 1 year history here. She’s young though, so she can land on her feet, but it gonna be hard for her. She started this job right after graduating from school, so this is the only job on her resume’ in the Med Tech field. So being fired, I don’t even know how that will effect her job efforts. I suspect that my lab mgr will be willing to give her a good review since he appeared to be sympathetic to her, but it’s gonna be hard.
I do wish her well, but the married guy still has his job and his wife. IDK, I hope it was worth it all for her.
Tree With Water
Just a couple serendipitous weeks ago I spotted & bought a very cool Grateful Dead banner, that now serves as a very cool kitchen window curtain. I haven’t lived in this house a year yet, and that banner is already a cherished piece of my home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JT8zLTaKxeE
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
@lamh36:
I actually got sent home from work once because, although I didn’t feel too bad, I sounded so awful on the phone that people kept asking my boss why I was at work, so she made me go so people didn’t think she was a horrible boss who was making me stay.
lamh36
@Baud: thx. I plan to just rest and relax and let the medicine work through my system a bit. It’s a 10 day regiment, so it’ll be about 4 days and I should be able to go back to work and be ok
Old Dan and Little Ann
My friend bought a plane ticket to Chicago this summer to see that Dead show before he had Tickets into Soldier Field. He mailed in a request through some sort of lottery system. I like most of the well know Dead songs. I was never over jazzed for them.
eta I just checked the book of faces because I sent him the linked article and he told me he got a 3 day pass. Nice.
Violet
@lamh36: Hope you feel better soon. Rest and take care of yourself.
As for your former co-worker, my goodness what a mess! If her work wasn’t up to requirements, it’s not a bad thing they let her go but if the guy’s work was also bad and he’s still around then that’s unfair. Although it sounds like he’s in another department so maybe they have their own take on things.
Getting involved with a married man at work is just stupid. I don’t care how wonderful he is, he’s married and he’s at your work. It’s asking for trouble. She made her choices and she let her work suffer while doing it, so she has no one to blame but herself. Tough lesson to learn but hopefully she has learned it.
OzarkHillbilly
@Violet:
I speak as one who did.
Mnemosyne (iPad Mini)
Our weird So Cal weather of the day was the drive from Burbank to Pasadena, a distance of about 12 miles:
Burbank — pouring rain
Glendale — light sprinkle
Eagle Rock — cloudy but no rain
Pasadena — sunny
Back home was the same thing in reverse. It’s seriously coming down right now.
lamh36
@Violet: thx.
As for the co-worker, yeah, they were in diff departments, but they met when she was a student and he was in our department. After school, she continued to work here as a full time employee.
This was before my time here, so I don’t really know the particulars, but he left the lab for IT over 2 years ago, but he’s been with the company for at least 15-20 years. So yeah, he has a work history here.
As for the affair, you def don’t “shit where you work” so to speak, but they really were somewhat blatantanly out there with it. I mean, I hadn’t even been here more than 6 months and I can remember seeing the both of them going to lunch together and unlike with other co-workers, the body language was one as a couple and not just working co-workers. It was just weird enough, that I actually asked one of my new co-workers if they were a couple. I was surprised when they told me he was married.
SMH…he is at least 15 years older than this young lady and married with a teenager himself, so the fact that he was so blatant with all this was just…ugh.
But now she’s out of a job and he’s still employed. I really do feel bad for her though. But sometimes we all have our own lessons to learn. Hopefully she learns from this.
Tommy
@Jewish Steel: I am still kind of a dead head. Might have been a summer where I took off it all with things in the 80s. Walked around. Walked around. The Dead.
Violet
@OzarkHillbilly: Yes, should have been more gender-neutral. Was speaking from the point of view of the young woman. But it’s a bad idea for anyone.
jake the antisoshul soshulist
Out on the road last night,
I saw a Deadhead sticker on a
Cadillac.
Violet
@lamh36: Yeah, it’s a tough lesson to learn but if she’s stupid enough to do it in the first place, better she learn that lesson early.
He sounds like a horrible person. Wouldn’t surprise me if he preyed on some other young woman now that this one is gone. I hope the administration is keeping an eye on him.
ThresherK
@germy shoemangler: Christopher Kimball is wont to open up a recipe segment by donning a costume or hat, or doing something else not expected. One of those not expected things was to play some bars of a Grateful Dead song and refer to the recipe as something “you’ll have to know how to make if you want to be a chef” as “you’ll have to know how to play (whatever song that was*) to be in a Grateful Dead cover band”.
[*Shows how square and young I am.]
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): We just finished a walk though West Glendale, Rain by my place but up towards the freeway light rain. The wife’s really getting into walks now.
MomSense
@lamh36:
I hope you feel better. I get sinus infections all the time and they are no fun. Please rest and take good care of yourself.
My boss always comes into work really sick and sort of brags about how he never misses work. The only problem is that he gets all of us sick.
Bobby B.
The ones who like to pee on Dead nostalgia are likely the same rah-rahs who LOVE the Family Channel’s 1980s movie blocks like Dirty Dancing and Footloose. Not to mention “The Goldbergs” which has so many squealing with delight. Is it that Eighties demographic hitting 40, still believing that high school is never over? Reagan Rocks!
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini):
Looked outside about 20 min ago to see if walking to the store was going to be dry and therefore possible. Raining a bit in Pasadena so not walking to the store. Not pouring but seems like it’s thinking about it. Had to drive to Covina this morning and it was mostly sunny and broken clouds with a couple of drops.
RandomMonster
@Bobby B.:
Nah, some of us hate all those things you listed AND the Dead, all at the same time.
Citizen Alan
“Out on the road today, I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac.” — Don Henley predicting the future in 1984.
trollhattan
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini):
To the north we were promised rain from Thursday through Saturday, and sunny again Sunday. Actual rain received can be described as ‘bupkis.” Not. One. Drop.
Last week the feds released their CVP water delivery projection: 15% for municipal-industrial and 0% for ag. Sean Hannity will be yelling at Delta smelt in 3, 2, 1….
sw
No doubt Jerry would recommend selling your $15K ticket and taking a trip to Seattle or Denver and burning the balance.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@BillinGlendaleCA: We’ve had mostly grey/rainy and windy up here in Altadena. A couple brief periods of sun.
LWA (Liberal With Attitude)
Whats on my agenda is trying to keep this in the news:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/27/chicago-abusive-confinment-homan-square
nellcote
@Joel Hanes:
Thank You
Anne Laurie
@lamh36:
Not to sound like the Cranky Old Church Lady (yeah, too late)… But from the way she probably saw things, by playing ‘daughter’ to the Admin, she got to coast along in a cushy job where she could not-work and make her own schedule for x months. And she got a “romantic” relationship with an older dude, conveniently located to her cushy job, where she could have all the fun kissy-face / lovers-spats drama & none of the hard work of a real relationship, because her partner was already committed elsewhere so he couldn’t get on her case about the mundane stuff like finances & whose turn it was to go grocery shopping & what they’d be doing in five years.
Yeah, it’s not real, but we’re all the heroes of our own little soap operas. So she’s now telling her peers how it was all so exciting and dramatic, until some cranky old hater got a totally unreasonable hair crosswise, and now she’s just Poor Cinderella, out in the cold, abandoned by all those cruel people who she thought were her friends. (Assuming, of course, that the end of her employment put a crimp in her ‘romance’ — I know of a few women who used similar situations to move from mistress to second wife, but that’s getting harder to pull off.)
And even if the extracurricular ‘love affair’ was part of her firing, the Admin will probably be too wary of a sexual-harassment suit to tell prospective employers anything beyond the dates of her employment, so she’s got a good chance to explain her firing as… some extremely shaded version of the objective facts. People like her tend to land on their feet, in my experience!
ETA: Glad the antibiotic is working; feel better soon!
magurakurin
@Ruckus:
“organic” yeah, if you definition of organic includes heroin. Garcia is really just a washed up junkie after 1980. I saw the Jerry Garcia Band in the Roseland Theatre in NYC in 1982. He was totally on the nod the whole show, just kept playing the same riff no matter what the song. Very sad. I saw the Dead a few times in 77 and 78, they were pretty sharp still, but by the 80’s they were burn outs, and the 90’s, who cares? I’m sure there were some moments of brillance here and there, but by then the whole thing just seemed like a cult centered around acid. The only thing Dead shows were good for to us by then was scoring some tabs out in the parking lot for laughs.
raven
@magurakurin: oh bullshit
jl
@Mnemosyne (iPad Mini): Glad it is raining good someplace in California. For first time in I cannot remember, an actual cold front from Alaska is giving Northern California some significant snow in the Sierra. Heard a ski report that said 3 feet at Dodge Ridge (I think), which would be an extraordinarily sad little bit until three years ago.
Heard an interview with a meteorologist who said another reason for drought, besides unusually persistent high pressure ridges along Pacific Coast, was extremely weak systems from Gulf of Alaska because so warm up there. And weak cold fronts from north do not get as far south as Central California, and when they do, get pushed off to east with little rain on coast. Asked if that meant climate change played a role in the drought, he said, well, that part of it, as they can connect the warmth is Alaska to weaker systems, looking more and more like it does. Wonderful news (/bitter snark)
magurakurin
@raven: my judgment of the quality of the Dead’s music by around 1985 is of course my opinion only and could properly be called bullshit by another. But the fact that Jerry Garcia was a junkie is an absolute fact. It caused his death. No bullshit there.
jl
Oh, yeah, The Dead, myaaaann….
Went to one of their concerts once. Was sober all the way through. Main thing I remember is the motorcycle dudes that the band had up on the stage for one set, revving their Harleys in time with the music. Then they had a rev-off riff between the two.
Also, I remember a Dead concert on campus when I was in grad school. A convoy of Dead Head buses and ratty pick-ups with camper shells suddenly sprouted (like ‘shrooms!) early one morning with these Dead Heads doing their communitarian urban camping or whatever they did.
A new student who’d just arrived from a very poor country in Africa had a desk in the ratty grad student office. He came into the office a little disturbed and shook up, and wondered what was going on, who were these… strange people all over?
I think he was wondering whether there was a strange sort of mountain people in the US he had never heard of, and they had come into town to cause trouble, or stage a coup, or something. I explained it to him. He said the whole thing was weird and hard to believe. I replied, truly agreeing with him, ‘Well, actually, yes, yes it is. It is strange.’
Edit: I did not blame him. There were Dead Heads in various degrees of altered states crawling all over the place. If I did not understand what it was, I would have been a little worried too.
Ninedragonspot
To his credit, Jerry Garcia played a significant role in funding the preservation of Wojciech Has’ cinematic masterpiece, “The Saragossa Manuscript”.
billb
So why is this about the young lady? The dude is cheating on his wife and family, AMIRIGHT? Now if I was his boss, I would say to myself, If a man cheats on his wife, he will likely cheat on his company. I would transfer him to the sewer digging department pronto. and if we don’t got one, we make one for him. It is not about her, it is about the sht head taking advantage of her and the company.
gogol's wife
Downton was sweet. Now I watch the repeat on Thursday, and then go into withdrawal for a year.
Omnes Omnibus
@gogol’s wife: Another one showing the good side of Robert.
gogol's wife
@Omnes Omnibus:
He does those scenes so well, really heartfelt. My husband loved the last scene with Carson and Mrs. Hughes.
Tenar Darell
@gogol’s wife: I have it recorded. I knew he liked her a lot since the hand holding last year!
BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: I remember the deadheads showing up when I was in college. They all seemed to come though my line that I was cashiering at the on campus restaurant that I worked at. Walking back to my apartment, I could hear a bit of the Dead while walking past Pauley.
Debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Was it the Christmas nog, or was Mary softening a bit toward Edith?
Omnes Omnibus
@Debbie: I didn’t see any of that – of course, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. Sybil was the only one of the Crawley girls that I liked.
satby
I loved the Dead. Wasn’t quite a Deadhead because I didn’t follow them around the country, but never missed them when they played in the Midwest. Came around the corner of Aragon Ballroom once and walked right in to Bob Weir. We were both loaded and really polite to each other (excuse me… no excuse ME).
FlipYrWhig
@Omnes Omnibus: I said, “isn’t Edith supposed to be running the publishing company?” My wife said, “Has anyone even been working at that company for like 3 years or whatever it’s been since Grigson disappeared?”
jl
@BillinGlendaleCA: And what would you have thought if you did not understand who all those weirdos were, and why they over ran the place?
Omnes Omnibus
@FlipYrWhig: She owns a publishing company. That doesn’t mean she runs it.
lamh36
@Anne Laurie: Lordy AL…you def have the same less “charitable” thoughts I’ve had as well. I’m not a cranky ole lady (yet…lol) but the young lady in question was the same age as my younger sister and she def had the “young” girl ideology that so many of her age tend to have.
My own sister, I’d use harsh words on in the same situation. In this case, no matter what harsh words she heard or what hints she was given, she still continued on as the young folk are want to do…smh.
Still, I do feel bad for the kid, cause I know that she’s just made some really big purchases of late (car, new apt, etc) and now she’s out of a job for right now…shame, but yeah, it’s her bed and she chose to lie in it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Anne Laurie: @lamh36: No words of criticism for the married guy? He is the one breaking vows.
BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: I knew the Dead was playing at Pauley, but being pure of heart and a clean living young man… I had no idea.
Steeplejack
I go hot and cold on the Grateful Dead, different phases of their career. One of my favorite Dead-ish albums is the tribute collection Deadicated (1991).
Partial approximation on YouTube here.
A favorite: Suzanne Vega, “Cassidy.”
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus: The young woman is naive and stupid (still poorly behaved). He’s a cheat. So, harsh words from me.
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): That’s my view as well.
lamh36
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh, I do have critics for the guy, but to be completely honest, I don’t know him well. He doesn’t work with me, he used to work in the lab but he was long gone before I got here.
The young lady I know well, and I think she’s a good person. I completely think he’s taking advantage, but she’s a grown woman. She’s making her own choices and I do think she had a better head on her shoulders than to get involved.
As I said, they moved the guy out of the lab and across the street to the offices of our administration (including the Lab Director, Asst Lab Director, etc). She not only continued to meet him in those offices, but made no change in her work performance or adherence to company policy…she actually deserved to lose her job a long time ago, for performance reasons, but she had been skating by for awhile and she had been warned.
But as in most of the situation, he had 15-20 years of seniority in the company, and there was no complaints about his job on the record. She was a student turned employee for only 2 years. She was essentially a fired woman walking…the advantage was always his.
So yeah, he’s a douche for “breaking his vows” …but …that’s his morality issue, didn’t affect his job performance, and she didn’t have enough a good job record for the 2 years she was there to substain her
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: I am not seeking to diminish her responsibility for her actions. I am just saying the guy seems like a shit. Aside from the the fact that he was married (and we don’t know the state of his marriage), I think that that one should avoid a dalliance where you know the other party is going to be hurt.
ETA: I am not being a puritan or a prude; I just don’t think one should enter a relationship that is pretty much guaranteed to hurt the other person.
cckids
@SiubhanDuinne: I worked for a couple of years at one of the big hotels here on the Vegas Strip, in room reservations, and the stories the long-time employees told of the days of Deadheads taking over hotel rooms when the band was in town were hysterical.
– trying to “conserve” water, they’d rarely flush the toilets, so they were always backed up & overflowing.
– more than once, they’d line the bathtub in aluminum foil & roast some animal (chickens & goats were both mentioned)
Steeplejack
I drove back to town from Rehoboth Beach Saturday afternoon and heard some good music on some Sirius channels I don’t usually hit. There was hard-packed snow over all the fields. It reminded me of Illinois and Missouri when I was a kid instead of Delaware.
Rhiannon Giddens, “Angel City.”
Lady Lamb the Beekeeper, “Billions of Eyes.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Giddens was the the singer for the Carolina Chocolate Drops, yes?
ETA: Have you seen the documentary about the recording of the New Basement Tapes album? I gained a lot of respect for the lead dude for Mumford and Sons.
lamh36
@Omnes Omnibus: we agree then.
The few times I’ve interacted with the dude, I’ve never been much impressed, but our interactions are fleeting and rare…so…but the knowledge of the situation did make me even more unimpressed with him
JCT
I still remember the Deadheads descending on Berkeley for the GD concerts at the Greek . The Frats used to get together and buy up most of the tickets and then torment the Deadheads by scalping them at exorbitant prices.
I always preferred seeing Jerry on his own at the Keystone.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yes, Giddens was/is their singer.
I haven’t seen the documentary, but I’ve been listening to some of the New Basement Tapes stuff here and there. What I heard on Sirius was a whole live set by Giddens that was really good. Wish I could remember more of the song names. I haven’t found some of them on YouTube.
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: I don’t judge people on their infidelities, but I do judge on whether they leave injured people in their wake. Full disclosure: I’ve had my share of messed up relationships – including unknowing sleeping with married women and causing young women to believe that a deeper relationship was possible. Some of which was me being a narcissistic assmonkey. I, however, would never have fucked around while I was married.
Steeplejack
Pops Staples, “Somebody Was Watching.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: The film is very good. It shows how different musicians approached the task. Elvis Costello wrote music for the words and more or less expected that people would like his versions or not. Giddens and Mumford came expecting a collaborative experience. It was fascinating. I watched it with my ex-mod/hipster dad. Bonding time., you know.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
That’s cool (with Dad). I’ll check out the movie.
Elizabelle
@lamh36: What’s SMH?
lamh36
@Elizabelle: shake my head
Omnes Omnibus
@Elizabelle: “Scratching my head.”
xenos
@Citizen Alan: when I was an ado in the mid 80s the most serious deadheads were the richest. Not cadillacs but jaguars with deadhead stickers. The cadillacs kids were more into reggae. I was an oldsmobile kid into punk. The kids with chevys thought we were all assholes and they were probably right.
Elizabelle
@lamh36: @Omnes Omnibus: Thanks, guys.
Lamh: hope you’re starting to feel spiffy soon.
Uh. It’s awkward to be around work romances. Don’t have much to say on the subject, except that the young woman needs to improve her work ethic re performing her duties.
Jewish Steel
@Tommy: I have a friend or two in the jam band scene. That whole traveling hippie world is still out there. In force on the west coast. I went to a festival somewhere in the mountains in the oughts. Very interesting to see so many people who are almost 100% off the grid.
Anne Laurie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh, he’s a low dawg, and I most certainly hope he’ll get the punishment he deserves. And from what I know he probably will — if not now, later.
True story, since I doubt many people will bother to come back here: I was briefly involved with an older married man, during my college days. In my defense, he actually had left his wife before I met him… or, rather, she left him. He’d decided he felt “too guilty” about keeping secrets, so he introduced his wife to his then-mistress, and the two women decided they liked each other better than either one of them liked him. I know this for a fact, because I eventually met the about-to-become-ex wife, who made it clear that I was more than welcome to him.
But we split up after a year or so, because he wanted the two of us to live together & I wasn’t ready for that kind of commitment. (Also, we both knew he’d end up getting emotionally involved with other women & I couldn’t see the point in pretending to be monogamous.) So, the ex-wife ended up better off, and I moved into a communal household where I’d eventually get involved with the man I ended up marrying, and my partner-in-sort-of-crime moved to the West Coast and out of my orbit…
lamh36
@Anne Laurie: Wow. you’ve had a much more interesting younger life that I have.
Thx for sharing that.
Anne Laurie
@lamh36: Well, it was the mid-1970s… we’d barely discovered genital herpes & there was no such thing as AIDS yet. Birth control was widely available, and my state university health plan even covered abortions! So it was a tragically brief window of sexual “freedom”…
On the other hand, there was no internet (my friends were learning to compile on punch cards) so not only was there no internet porn, and no streaming/downloading every movie & tv show ever made plus a zillion hand-crafted cellphone videos/vines/tweets — we had to conduct our personal romances & feuds through the mails (which were slow) or via long-distance phone calls (which were heinously expensive, by our poor-college-student standards). Some of my fellow 70s veterans swear the Sexual Liberation boom mostly happened because we had so few other entertainment options. (Mostly, they’re snarking.)
Kathleen
@lamh36: Your plan is sound. I hope you feel better soon. I’ve been battling crud for over a week (even with antibiotics). Take care of yourself.
Kathleen
@Omnes Omnibus: I was never a Dylan fan but I thoroughly enjoyed the Basement Tapes and watching how the musicians approached their work. Giddins and the Drops are awesome.
Fred
I saw an interview with Garcia where he said that seeing CSN at Woostock was a revelation to the band. The harmonies blew them away. Garcia said, “We could do that. Well we could hit the notes” he added with a grin.
“American Beauty” and “Working Man’s Dead” were great. “Blues for Allah” wudn bad neither. The studio stuff was mostly way better than the live, high wire jams. But when they were hot they were hot and when not oh f**k. That’s why they were The Dreadful Great.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Bobby B.:
as opposed to didn’t like being randomly sprayed with LSD and turned into a messed up paranoid who thinks the government placed chips in people’s head? Way to stereotype dude.
And, anyone who is paying more than $40 for some live performance is an idiot.
Just Some Fuckhead
Is being a Chicago Bears season ticket holder automatically a signifier of being “well-to-do”? And do those folks automatically decide they must scalp tickets if they are available?
AndoChronic
Just waiting for the good folks at GDTS TOO to put down the bongs for five minutes and find my money orders they stashed away in their kids’ bedrooms. Hopefully I’ll see them back before Christmas, if ever.
Tripod
I once was accused of violating the spirit of the Dead. I also own a Jerry Garcia tie, so I got that going for me.
Occasionally I’ll hear something live from like ’72 and think right, THAT’S what they’re on about…, but Jerry was so hopelessly strung out for the last twenty years of his life, and the band during that period such a cynical cash grab….
Tripod
@Just Some Fuckhead:
Most of them are business write downs for sales hob-nobbing, or family group purchases with the intent of selling off part of the season to underwrite the deal. So, the former would hand them to a client interested in going, the later would sell them off.
Paul in KY
@lamh36: Hopefully she’s learned a lesson.
Paul in KY
@Jewish Steel: You see a few of them at Bonnaroo. Most of them are working as vendors & following the ‘Festival Circuit’.
PIGL
@trollhattan: Time well spent. That album is why [some] people liked the band in the first place. You could fairly say in retrospect, yes, they were just a psychedelic folk song cover band with a touch of blues. But that’s what the whole point. Between them and Gram Parsons, the entirety of Americana music was born.
J R in WV
@magurakurin:
I agree that he was addicted to heroin, but I think he was working on rehab when he died, actually. He may have died from the stress imposed on his system by attempting to kick a decades-old habit.
Many musicians have had great careers in spite of their addictions to a wide variety of substances, from booze through powdered drugs to pot, even including valium and such. Some of them are famous for being able to manage their drug use so as to not impact their playing so negatively.
I’ve seen the Dead live 3 times. Once was in a round building, and the roadies never stopped trying to get the sound right, because it wasn’t right, ever.
Once was in a hall that didn’t come close to selling out. We were in the 8th row, with many friends, and it was a great show. Last was at the Rubber Bowl in Akron, OH. Bob Dylan was touring with Tom Petty, and they opened for the Dead, and Bob and Tom played with the Dead for at least a couple of hours. They played until the cops made them stop because the stadium was in a residential neighborhood, and they were keeping people awake too late.
That was a great show as well. Many of their recorded shows are not interesting to me, and some of the released albums aren’t that good either. American Beauty was great, as was Workingman’s Dead (have I got that name right? I’ll never know!).
Their songs are really difficult to play well, rhythms and chords are different, times change measure by measure, variations in the melodies from verse to verse, very challenging to play the way it should sound.
The poetry many of the songs are based on is brilliant. The Dead Heads are wildly different as well. Some are (were) serious musicians learning from listening to the band, others were traveling with the tour to make money selling drugs or crafts to the crowd. Not traveling with the band as in the band buses, just moving to the next city along with the band.
Now that I’m retired, I could travel with the band, but the band is also retired… so sad!
Harold Samson
@Tripod:
It wasn’t a cynical cash grab, it was the payroll; over 100 friends and family employed by the GD tour machine that forced, guilted really, the GD into touring at a point when much of the band, including Garcia, would have preferred to break up and do other things, or nothing at all.
Tripod
@J R in WV:
I’m pretty sure he went cold turkey on everything, up to and including nicotine. Given the combination of his age and long term addiction, that was probably not a sound treatment choice.