.
Yeah, I know, it’s only a sop and a public relations ploy, but still: Having Andrew Jackson’s face on the largest bill most of us handle on a daily basis is an ongoing irritation to people who remember his role in the Trail of Tears, and it’s not as though the man approved of paper money in the first place. And I think Harriet Tubman (… and her revolver) is a great role model. Like Gail Collins, I think “A Woman’s Place Is on the $20“:
… The only woman who has ever shown up on American paper currency — not counting Lady Liberty — is Martha Washington, who starred on an 1886 silver certificate. The fact that it was Martha adds insult to injury. She was an excellent first lady, but her exceptional fame is tied to the ancient idea that the greatest women were simply the ones married to the greatest men. (An alternative theory was that the greatest women were the mothers of the greatest men, and George Washington’s mother was equally celebrated, even though her son found her extremely irritating.)
Now, a website called “Women on 20s” has posted biographies of 15 notable women in American history and invited visitors to vote for a female face to put in Jackson’s place. The goal is to get the job done by the anniversary of women’s suffrage in 2020…
Recently The Times’s Room for Debate let experts name their favorites. Gloria Steinem picked Sojourner Truth, the escaped slave turned abolitionist orator. “I’m not sure Sojourner Truth would want to be on the $20 bill, but I would like her to be better known — by any means necessary,” she said.
Actually, I’d sort of love to see Gloria Steinem on a $20 bill, but you aren’t eligible to star on American currency until you’re dead. Also, she has mixed feelings about how much of an honor it is to appear on money. “For a while I thought we should just put the Koch brothers on and be done with it,” she said over the phone Friday…
If you go to the Women on 20s website, you can vote for three out of fifteen candidates in the current first round. I picked Ms. Tubman, Alice Paul, and Shirley Chisholm. (I still have the battered copy of Unbought & Unbossed that I bought when the paperback first came out.)
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Here in the Boston area, we’re supposed to get more snow for the tenth weekend in a row. Oh, well, it won’t last — a week of higher temps has removed at least 60% of the existing local snowpiles. Apart from such indignities, what’s on the agenda for the weekend?
Botsplainer
I’ve been thinking that Michelle Obama has missed some classic opportunities. She should be working to position herself to throw her hat in the ring whenever Hillary either decides to not run or term limits out.
She can kick off her campaign by re enacting the whitey tape at a Black Panther convention.
Anne Laurie
@Botsplainer: You know that friend who told you you were funny?
They lied to you.
Jerzy Russian
I would support anything that Mrs. Obama does after the President leaves office, especially if it makes G.O.P. heads explode.
I was stuck at a library in a local high school recently and picked up a book about Harriet Tubman. She was certainly a remarkable woman. Like the Rude Pundit would say, she would fuck your shit up.
SiubhanDuinne
Thanks for the link to the Women on 20s website, Anne Laurie. Wow, what a tough choice! I could easily and happily have voted for any of the names on that list (finally ended up with Rachel Carson, Margaret Sanger, and Harriet Tubman).
Amir Khalid
I don’t know enough about women in American history to dare suggest a face for the US$20 note, but it sounds like a decent idea. A woman of colour might be a good first choice.
satby
I voted for Sojourner Truth too, and Margaret Sanger and Susan B Anthony even though she had a trial run on a coin. Hope the idea prevails.
OzarkHillbilly
Disappointed. Severely. No Mother Jones? Wow.
Cervantes
Notice they excluded Wilma Mankiller in the first round and say they will add her in the next.
Cervantes
@OzarkHillbilly:
Also, they include Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony but not the woman who inspired both of them.
Anyhow, there can only be one first woman on the twenty, I suppose, but no one says it has to stop there.
satby
It’s 12 degrees outside right now, with an expected high today of 35. No snow cover to insulate the daffodils that are already (finally) showing flower buds. I’m wondering if they’ll all freeze off, I know they can take some temps down to the mid-twenties but this is pretty low.
CarolDuhart2
Why not have several different women? One woman on one batch, another woman on another? Like the various states have a quarter on their own? If they can do that with coins, why not currency? Indeed, 50 different women on the $20 would be an education in itself about women’s history.
Baud
The way things are going, the first woman on U.S. currency will be Taylor Swift.
CarolDuhart2
Indian Winter…wants to come out for another curtain call..please pull the curtain already-it’s going to be a high of 40 today and a low of 20 for today, tomorrow, and even Monday.
CarolDuhart2
@Baud: Scary, but you may be right. There will be more women on credit cards than currency.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Who’s Taylor Swift?
CarolDuhart2
@BillinGlendaleCA: Writer of the most catchy song of last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM
WereBear
@CarolDuhart2: What a great idea!
Had a visitor from Scotland show me her lovely Bank of Scotland notes. The ten has Robert Burns and there’s a woman on their one, of course.
BillinGlendaleCA
@AL in the OP: This snow you speak of, I’m a bit hazy on the concept, obviously means that it’s cold so there’s no such thing as “Global Warming” or “Climate Change”.
BillinGlendaleCA
@CarolDuhart2: Oh, some kinda singer, meh.
greennotGreen
@CarolDuhart2: You realize there can’t be several, at least at first, since people need to know what a legitimate $20 bill looks like? I believe the $20 is also the most often forged bill.
greennotGreen
I like the linked poem. Makes me think I should read something about this Tubman woman and her railroad, the previous few words pretty much exhausting what I know about her.
OzarkHillbilly
@Cervantes: I know, but as a union carpenter I would vote for “the most dangerous woman in America” all 3 times even if she didn’t think women’s suffrage was important. As is I am leaning towards Margaret Sanger, Rachel Carson, and Harriet Tubman.
Raven
@OzarkHillbilly: What about Elanor Rooosevelt?
greennotGreen
Oh, and on the agenda for the weekend, after several delays due to weather, they’re finally going to pour the footers for my new house today, so I’m going to go out there to record the event for posterity (and pay for the concrete.)
Raven
@greennotGreen: Cool, our sewer project is done and the work on our addition will start in a couple of weeks with just that work.
Botsplainer
@Anne Laurie:
Hey, I’ve long been wishing that the Obamas were the oppressive tyrants that the right has been claiming.
It isn’t as if that sort of justice hasn’t been earned by Conservatism…
Botsplainer
@greennotGreen:
If you’re going to forge, do $5 bills. Nobody looks at those.
ThresherK
Leftover from last nite: Indiana’s history incluldes Gennett Records a most amazing place in jazz and blues recording history.
Other parts of Gennett’s history are not so benign.
(PS My tablet told me “your comment was posted” in the Indiana thread. Now I don’t trust my tablet.)
Cervantes
@OzarkHillbilly:
Mary Harris Jones would get my vote, too.
OzarkHillbilly
@Raven: She, like all the others would be worthy, and while she grew up and lived the privileged life of American royalty, she made the most of it by using her higher status to move forward several important issues, and she always acknowledged the dignity of all people in the process. Still I am just a guy who one day will be gone and soon thereafter forgotten, so my heart tacks towards people of more modest origins.
I am leaning towards Rachel Carson because as an environmentalist I can’t help but acknowledge her place as the mother of the modern environmental movement, Margeret Sanger because as a feminist I know she is the mother of women’s health rights, and Harriet Tubman because she was, well, Harriet Tubman, the mother of freedom for so many others.
satby
@OzarkHillbilly: I keep getting a banner ad from “Mike Pence for Indiana” agitating for a repeal of the common wage law in Indiana. Guess he’s planning a second act to follow up the bigot party first act.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: I like to say “When union men and women can no longer stand together, nobody else will be allowed to stand at all.”
Germy Shoemangler
@Cervantes: Here are some quotes (courtesy of Chauncey Devega):
During the 1860s Elizabeth Cady Stanton stated that:
American women of wealth, education, virtue and refinement, if you do not wish the lower orders of Chinese, Africans, Germans and Irish, with their low ideas of womanhood, to make laws for you and your daughters … awake to the danger of your present position and demand that woman, too, shall be represented in the government!
Feminist warrior Susan B. Anthony was upset by how:
What words can express her [the white woman’s] humiliation when, at the close of this long conflict, the government which she had served so faithfully held her unworthy of a voice in its councils, while it recognized as the political superiors of all the noble women of the nation the negro men just emerged from slavery, and not only totally illiterate, but also densely ignorant of every public question.
My vote is for Ms. Tubman.
Mary G
I think Margaret Sanger on the $20 bill would make some right-wing heads explode. Go Margaret!
Betty Cracker
I went with Frances Perkins, Rachel Carson and Rosa Parks. It’s a terrific idea, replacing the odious Jackson on the $20. I hope it catches on.
OzarkHillbilly
Today’s person I had never heard of but should have known all along, Frances Perkins, the first female U.S. Cabinet member:
Unemployment benefits, pensions, welfare, minimum wages and overtime pay came out of legislation Perkins helped imagine and draft. The Federal Emergency Relief Act, the Civil Conservation Corps Act, the National Labor Relations Act, the Social Security Act, and the Fair Labor Standards Act were all enacted under her watch.
MomSense
I voted for Sojourner Truth, Frances Perkins, and Rachel Carson.
Joseph Nobles
It’s occurred to me that Jackson on the $20 is the Federal Reserve’s way of displaying his scalp.
But the fun’s done. Time for Harriet Tubman.
debbie
@satby:
I’m not a gardener, but I am an appreciator of my neighbors’ yards. Those kind of temperatures were pretty damaging here last year to flowers and flowering trees. I wonder if putting a sheet over the daffodils at night might take the edge off the frost.
debbie
@Betty Cracker:
Remembering how legislators like Phil Gramm treated Brooksley Born when she testified against derivatives, I not sure this idea will get very far.
Keith P.
A Saturday morning post complaining about the $20 bill. FFS.
OzarkHillbilly
@Keith P.: A comment complaining about a Saturday morning post about the $20 bill. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, maybe you should start your own blog?
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith P.: What did you post on your blog this morning?
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Keith P.: We could be complaining about the outcomes of the basketball games instead.
BubbaDave
Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth, Rosa Parks were my votes. (Though I love the idea of rotating through multiple candidates. Maybe have one for bills printed in Ft. Worth and one for bills printed in DC?) None of the women in question would be a bad choice, but (speaking as a white dude) there is also a distinct lack of melanin on our currency, and one or more of those three would be a major improvement.
Eric S.
I’m all for this. Maybe with the redesign maybe we can start resizing the bills so the blind can tell the difference between denominations.
raven
Goddamn it. A great friend had been documenting her trip to Paris for the last week. She just got back and is now in the hospital with “a large tumor” on her brain.
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith P.: Also, what you seem to see as a post complaining about the $20 bill was seen by the less dyspeptic among us as a call for greater recognition for the women who have played a significant role in American history.
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Damn…. My little sis had one removed, radiation, etc at the age of 23 and has survived to now 50. Hope your friend has similar results.
max
In this particular instance, Wilma Mankiller is the only possible choice.
max
[‘She’d be replacing Andrew Fucking Jackson!!!!’]
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: I’m so sorry. Hopefully, there are treatments available and everything will turn out well.
jurassicpork
There was a death in our family yesterday and we really need assistance. Details are here, if you wish to help or at least pass the word. Thank you in advance.
Belafon
Is this a whitehouse.gov petition?
moonbat
What? No love for Barbara Jordan? As a child she gave me chills and had me riveted to the television
with the eloquence and fire with which she defended the Constitution in the Watergate hearings. And she was the first black female rep from Texas — TEXAS. She was boss.
BBA
I think we should replace all the portraits on paper money. It’s been 85 years, we could stand to mix things up. (And, while we’re at it, abolish the penny and dollar bill, make the half-dollar and dollar coins more common, and move to Australian polymer paper. And get rid of the weird mashup of 19th century engraving design and 21st century anti-counterfeiting technology, it just looks ugly.)
I’d like to see Langston Hughes on a bill – he was both one of the most significant poets of the 20th century and a gay black communist. Maximum wingnut head explosion.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone :)
Off to swim and run errands.
Roger Moore
@BBA:
I agree with the dollar, but I don’t think there’s any real need for a half dollar; people can manage with two quarters instead. While we’re at it, let’s finally get rid of the two dollar bill, which hardly anyone ever uses.
ThresherK
@OzarkHillbilly: If you don’t know the name “Frances Perkins”, can we take you as someone who doesn’t watch Jeopardy! on TV?
I’d estimate “Who is Frances Perkins?” will be the correct response about once a month.
srv
It’s too bad Maggie Thatcher wasn’t an American.
max
@moonbat: What? No love for Barbara Jordan? As a child she gave me chills and had me riveted to the television with the eloquence and fire with which she defended the Constitution in the Watergate hearings.
I voted for BJordan. And if this wsn’t the twenty dollar bill we were talking about, I’d say go for it. But the opportunity to replace Andrew Jackson with a female Cherokee (!!!) chief is way too good to pass up.
max
[‘Also, ‘Mankiller’.’]
max
@raven: Ouch. Sorry dude.
max
[‘Hope she gets better.’]
NotMax
No Lucretia Mott?
For shame, for shame.
WaterGirl
@raven: I don’t know how you wrap your head around that.
shell
I thought Harriet Tubman carried a rifle. I love those photos of her; that is not a woman you’d want to mess with.
*********
Margaret Sanger would never fly. The opponents would have brought up that whole eugenics thing, which was a common held belief at the time, but would eclipse all the good work she did for birth control.
*********
Martha Washington did compile a kick-ass cook book.
Betty Cracker
@raven: Damn. I’m sorry to hear that.
Amir Khalid
@srv:
I think that’s how most Britons feel about her.
Citizen_X
Emma Goldstein?
sparrow
@Germy Shoemangler: Well to be fair, probably a good number of free blacks were illiterate and ignorant — but neither is a crime, they are remediable conditions, and furthermore were not in any way their fault, but imposed on them by their status as slaves and then second-class citizens. It’s not like she called them inherently stupid or inferior. (I’m not saying it was a good argument to make, but a lot of the blowback against women’s suffrage was that they were “ignorant”… so I can see why she made it). Also, if you look into historical statements of practically every famous person, you will find those that make you cringe.
Mike in NC
@Roger Moore: The $2 bill is used almost exclusively in and around Charlottesville, VA (where Monticello is located).
I’m just glad Republicans dropped their scheme to put Reagan on the dime instead of FDR. Scumbags wanted him everywhere.
schrodinger's cat
Haven’t the wingnuts appropriated Susan. B. Anthony, already?
gogol's wife
It’s snowing again. It’s snowing again. They didn’t deliver my New York Times (with my favorite, Saturday, crossword puzzle) again. It’s snowing again. It’s snowing again.
Amir Khalid
@Mike in NC:
I’ll admit I don’t know very much about American currency. Where is the proverbial three-dollar bill used?
schrodinger's cat
@gogol’s wife: Its going to snow all day. I am so tired of the snow.
schrodinger's cat
@Mike in NC: I have never seen $2 bill.
Cervantes
@Roger Moore:
Bite your tongue.
danielx
It’s a beautiful spring morning, except for the part about how it’s 21 degrees outside. That part sucks.
Germy Shoemangler
@Cervantes: I have a 2-dollar bill squirreled away somewhere. I don’t remember how I got it. It’s such a strange thing I was afraid to spend it. I thought the cashier would be confused or frightened by it. If they discontinue it, maybe I’ll have a collector’s item, worth three dollars.
I remember a mail order scam from a few years ago. Guy advertised Lincoln memorial medal coins or some such thing for five dollars. People sent away for it and received a penny.
Cervantes
@Amir Khalid:
There has never been an actual US$3 bill.
Idiomatically, the expression has been used to criticize phoniness (“as queer as a three-dollar bill”), and then, from that, as a symbol in gay activism.
Jasmine Bleach
@greennotGreen:
Maybe they could rotate people every 20 or 30 years? Maybe for all bills except the one and five–those two are pretty iconic after all.
Oh, and bring back the two dollar bill . . .
Tree With Water
@Mike in NC: In his diary, George Patton wrote of being stationed near a southern town before WW2 whose citizens began to complain about the proximity of the base to town, and the misbehavior of the soldiers. As the base paymaster, he hit on plan to counter their complaints that was inspired- he began paying all the soldiers using $2 bills. Soon the local economy was flooded with the unusual denomination, and sure enough, in short order the townspeople quit their complaining.
schrodinger's cat
Caturday Kitteh no wants snow.
Cervantes
@Citizen_X:
I like the cut of your jib.
Mike in NC
Faux $3 bills sometimes were sold at gun shows, with the image of Bill or Hillary Clinton on them. How clever.
raven
She wrote on her FB that she felt better and they were doing x-rays and maybe surgery.
Cervantes
@Amir Khalid:
Yes, thirty-five years too late.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Trail of Tears, heck, what about Jackson causing the Panic of 1835? Having in face on currency is like having Herbert Hoover or GW Bush on currency. Jackson’s economic policy was just as vile as his Native American policy.
Personally, I am against putting private US citizens on currency because the Right will drag out some wingnut clown and whine how it’s only fair if the wingnut gets their own denomination.
WaterGirl
@Cervantes: Bite your tongue. Why?
Cervantes
@Keith P.:
Sorry … I missed your point. What was it?
WaterGirl
@raven: Yikes. So one day she was fine and traveling in Europe and the next day she was diagnosed with a large brain tumor?
That’s scarier than any horror movie I’ve ever seen.
Cervantes
@WaterGirl:
I like the $2 bill, that’s all.
WaterGirl
@Cervantes: Interesting. What do you like about it?
Botsplainer
@jurassicpork:
Fuck you and your begging, mooch.
Cervantes
@max:
I think that’s why she has the inside track.
Or, at least, that’s what I’d like to think.
Germy Shoemangler
Groucho Marx:
“we can have an eight cent nickel. Think what that would mean? You could go to a newsstand, buy a three cent newspaper, and get the same nickel back again. One nickel carefully used would last a family a life-time.”
WaterGirl
So if you you can’t remember how many weeks it’s been since your puppy has had an accident in the house, is it premature to conclude that he is housebroken?
The first 3 times when it had been two weeks and I dared to hope, he promptly had an accident, bringing me back down to earth.
Ever hopeful.
WereBear
@WaterGirl: It’s certainly a good start.
Germy Shoemangler
Just saw this:
This summer, the Starz network will begin airing Blunt Talk, a comedy series featuring Patrick Stewart as a cocaine-snorting, liquored-up cable news shouter who appears to be modeled on Fox News’ top talker Bill O’Reilly with maybe a bit of Piers Morgan stirred in for color.
“Why is he sniffing like that?” a production assistant asks in the opening frames of the show’s teaser clip, before the camera cuts to a shot of Stewart snorting up a line of white powder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLBPSSVVOe4
Cckids
@Germy Shoemangler: Not Stanton & Anthony’s finest quotes, I agree.
In fairness, though, they’d been all in for abolition, and agreed to not push for the vote till after the Civil War. They were repaid by Frederick Douglas & others cutting women’s rights loose when the time came for the 15th amendment. They were (rightly) pissed, though pretty racist about it.
Anyway, I vote for Sojourner Truth & Harriet Tubman.
Yatsuno
@Botsplainer: If you run around to several other progressive blogs, you’ll find he puts up the exact same post and has no other interactions. The very few times he’s done something other than bleg he goes full Hamsher. I ignore it every time.
NotMax
Hanging on the wall is a framed display I had created of the Brazilian paper money then in use that picked up while there in 1961.
Pristine bills in denominations of 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, 500 and 1000. Same background design on every bill but each denomination is printed in a different color.
Cervantes
@Germy Shoemangler:
Yes, thanks. That’s why I found a little troubling the omission of Lucy Stone.
JPL
@raven: I do hope your friend is okay.
Yatsuno
This does remind me: I found a 1 franc coin the other day. Not 1 Euro. An actual franc. Been a really long time since I last saw one.
gogol's wife
@schrodinger’s cat:
At least they did finally deliver the paper. #First world problems
Steeplejack
@danielx:
Yeah, still only 30° here in NoVA. WTF? But tonight I’m jetting off to Las Vegas, where it is currently 69°. Highs from the high 80s to the high 70s over the week of my trip. Perfect desert weather.
gogol's wife
@raven:
I hope it goes well.
gogol's wife
@raven:
For this kind of surgery, it’s a good idea to travel to the right surgeon, if possible. (It happened to a relative of mine, and she went to London, Ontario to have the surgery, which was highly successful.)
Gin & Tonic
Best headline ever? In El Reg today:”Flak for Slack chaps in yak app hack flap: User database WHACKED”
In English, an app called Slack, which, as the name implies, is mainly a chat app, had its database hacked in February.
Maybe not as timeless as Variety’s “Sticks Nix Hick Pix”, but still a valiant effort.
Cervantes
@Botsplainer:
Some people need emotional support sometimes and they seek it here. (We need not mention names.)
Some people need financial support sometimes and they seek it here. (Again, we need not mention names.)
Is there a huge difference?
dww44
@Betty Cracker: Frances Perkins is also at the top of my list. Thanks largely to her, we have Social Security and all other sorts of New Deal legislation.
Link to the audio recording of the above interview.
http://www.albany.edu/talkinghistory/arch2011jan-june.html
Keith G
@Keith P.: Damn you, Keith P. How dare you type out an opinion in the comment section of a blog advertised for it’s strong opinions? Fall in line, mate.
Pictures on currency? Well if I must consider this, we might as well go ahead and put family portraits of the Clintons and the Bushes because it looks like they’re going to continue to be running our country in one form or another for quite a while.
eemom
@Yatsuno:
Speaking of, what in the world ever became of sweet Jane?
tybee
@eemom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4XVJj4jER4
Steeplejack
@tybee:
I like Mott the Hoople.
Little-known fact and tie-in to this thread: they were originally called Lucretia Mott the Hoople. Got shortened when it looked for a while like David Bowie was going to launch an alter ego named Lucretia Bowie
raven
@gogol’s wife: Yea, our good friend went to Duke. I guess it mattered.
Baud
@Keith G:
Balloon Juice advertises?
Cervantes
@Steeplejack:
That’s funny.
I’m pretty sure they named themselves after a book by Willard Manus, wherein the last-named Mott was first-named Norman, with nary a Lucretia in sight.
Have to admit: I like your story better!
Yatsuno
@Cervantes: Occasional support is one thing. Constant pleas with unprovable facts get to be annoying.
Mike J
@Yatsuno: Literally ten years worth.
Cckids
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: indeed, Jackson had a lot to answer for. I think his outsize role in US history has more to do with his admittedly intriguing personal story than with any Presidential accomplishments.
On a personal memory, my middle son had to do a report on Jackson in the 3rd grade. Being a visual kid, he included drawings & copies of pics from the research he’d done. Worked hard on it, did a great job. When the time came to present it to the class, his teacher asked some questions ( partly to be sure the kids & not the parents were doing the work) She asked him what was the most interesting fact he’d learned & he said “Do you know you can’t just photocopy money?” Life lessons.
Tree With Water
@Steeplejack: Age and memory… had I been asked, I would have said that Mott The Hoople pre-dated the arrival of Bowie by a good couple of years. Can’t recall a single tune of theirs offhand, but they got airplay… and I seem to recall that they had nice album art, although again I don’t recall a single cover.
Ruckus
@Keith P.:
We could go back to dead bodies in apartments having group sex with everyone.
Or is that everyone in apartments having group sex with dead bodies?
raven
@Tree With Water: All the Young Dudes? Come on dawg, I didn’t even like them but I knew that!
Roger Moore
@Gin & Tonic:
I’m not sure that anything will top “Headless Body in Topless Bar”.
mai naem mobile
I think the.Notorious RBG should be on some money when she dies and may it be several decades from now. She probably has helped women (and men) more in the modern financial world than any other woman( getting credit without a husband having to sign off!)
Margaret Sanger was great on contraceptive rights etc. but I’ve heard part of that had a racial part to it.
Yatsuno
@Mike J: Incidentally: meet up details are up in the air right now. Doc just sent a letter that has a different date from the one I thought I set when I left. I should know more Monday after I get a hold of them. If they want to see me twice before the Big Chop Part Deux then there will be several opportunities coming up. But that shouldn’t be necessary.
Roger Moore
@Cervantes:
There’s a difference between a member of the community who asks for support once in a while and a person whose primary interaction with the community is asking for support. The poster being insulted is somebody who only shows up to beg, not to participate in regular community interactions.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Tree With Water:
Actually, Bowie (allegedly) plays (saxophone) on that song. And the YouTube video uses the album art from All the Young Dudes.
Bowie’s “Changes” came out in ’71, so he was slightly ahead of them.
mai naem mobile
Speaking of Frances Perkins, why is Maine Gov Paul LePage not mentioned as a possible GOP 2016 hopeful? It seems to me that he would fit right in with the Klown Kaboose.
gogol's wife
@Roger Moore:
I saw that one when it came out! I couldn’t believe it.
Tree With Water
@raven: Play the song, I’ll remember it. Like hundreds of other songs, I’ll know the tune but not the band.
Steeplejack (phone)
@gogol’s wife:
If you’ve got a copy of that paper stowed in the attic, it’s worth big money to the Newseum. I have a friend who works there, and that’s one thing they are lusting after for their collection. Haven’t been able to find one anywhere.
raven
@Tree With Water:
Dry your eyes and take your song out
It’s a newborn afternoon
And if you can’t recall the singer
You can still recall the tune
One of the only things he did worth diddly.
Germy Shoemangler
@Roger Moore: Or “Found On Mars: Statue Of Elvis”
Cervantes
@Roger Moore:
And yet I am reminded of this:
Matthew 20:8-14, as I am certain that you, for one, recognize.
Not that it should settle anything; it’s just a thought (albeit one that has been famously paraphrased).
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@raven: I’m thinking good thoughts for your friend. Duke sounds like a good choice for quality care.
WaterGirl
@Roger Moore: My favorite headline of all time was from a National Enquirer displayed in the grocery store I worked at to put myself through college.
Half-man, half-woman gives birth to child he is father to.
The accompanying photo was interesting, too.
Tommy
Can’t we just all agree to pay women the same as men? Work is work, but if the far right can’t get that basic concept maybe they will understand this. If my wife or girlfriend that lives with me is being paid less than a male, that is money out of MY pocket. Our household. I am always stunned this is never brought up in the debate.
Tommy
@Roger Moore: New York Post. Ran the day after Rupert Murdoch bought the paper.
JPL
@eemom: I haven’t linked to that site in years and made the mistake of visiting. What a cesspool.
Howard Beale IV
As I was scanning this thread, no mention was made of Hilary.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@raven:
Suggested edit.
Tree With Water
@Cervantes: I’m not so sure that explanation would cut it with me had I just got through working a full shift under a hot sun. I’ve got to think that would hold also true of a lot of laborers. Is it mentioned if the lord of the vineyard ever got his ass handed him after refusing to pony up more dough to the more deserving?
henqiguai
@Roger Moore (#57):
I always used to give my kids $2 bills for school lunch; would spaz out the cafeteria cashiers and amuse the heck out of the bank tellers when I would convert a couple of $20 bills to $2 bills for that reason.
Cervantes
@Roger Moore:
And then there was:
Of course, this was in Private Eye.
Here’s one (Boston Globe, November 12, 1992) I found hilarious that was not meant to be funny:
This was a genocidal mass-murderer hiding out, he thought, at Harvard.
Cervantes
@Tree With Water:
It’s a parable. You figure it out.
J R in WV
@Amir Khalid:
Only in jokes! Fake money is (was) said to be queer, so then the saying “Queer as a three dollar bill!” came to be used about guys who didn’t act like traditional manly men.
You probably got 40 responses to this…
But two dollar bills are around. I once got one in change in San Francisco. Reading the paper, I saw a little story about dishonest cab drivers telling customers they didn’t have change for whatever, hoping to get a much bigger tip.
When we left, we got a cab at the hotel, we were on the road for quite a while and had a lot of luggage. After loading up the cab’s trunk, we told the driver to go to the train station, whereupon he burst into cursing, as it was only 2 blocks from the hotel~! No big, I thought, I’ll tip him big.
So the fare was $1,80 (back in the 1980s). I offered him a ten, and he said, “I don’t have any change!”
So I gave him the $2 bill I got in change the night before, and said, “So keep the change, buddy!”
What a jerk! I was never so happy to piss a guy off in my life. and so lucky to have a $2 bill, which I had planned to keep as a memory of SF, CA. But this memory is better!
Tommy
Four of the five bosses I’ve had were female. And by boss I mean the owner of the small business (ad agencies). A lady not being paid the same as a male is such a foreign concept to me I can’t put it to words. They didn’t care of I was male or female. Gay or straight. Black or white. You do good work you get paid for it.
Chyron HR
@J R in WV:
But where did the extra dollar go?
opiejeanne
@CarolDuhart2: That was a cute video. I hadn’t seen it before. The music? Meh.
VFX Lurker
@raven:
I’m sorry to read this. Wishing your friend successful treatment.
If possible, please consider asking your friend’s closest friend/relative to set up a crowdfunding page (ex: YouCaring). Even if she has paid medical leave, superb coverage and solid savings, every bit helps.
Some time ago, an animation artist underwent Stage IV cancer treatment. The animation community donated to this YouCaring page to help offset the costs of his treatment.
Last October, a visual effects artist was struck by a car that jumped a curb. Hundreds are donating to this GoFundMe page to offset his ongoing medical costs.
Last week, another member of the visual effects community suddenly lost his dear wife of 30+ years. Again, friends and family rallied with this YouCaring page to ensure that he would not suffer any financial burden on top of his enormous emotional burden.
Your friend may also benefit from a similar support page.
opiejeanne
@OzarkHillbilly:
Harriet Tubman, Margaret Sanger, and Frances Perkins.
Quaker in a Basement
This Quaker endorses Mary Dyer for the face of the $20. Of course, she’s not even on the short list, so Harriet Tubman, just to annoy the south..
Heliopause
Personally, I’d rather be reminded every day that this country was founded by old white dudes, slaveholders, and ethnic cleansers.
tybee
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5va1iaLj2M
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Duke was where our friend who died went. This friend is in Urbana.
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Neil Diamond ain’t no she. Not that there is anything wrong with it.
gogol's wife
@Steeplejack (phone):
Oh, you must be joking! I’m not that organized.
Suzanne
I voted for Margaret Sanger, Rachel Carson, and Sojourner Truth.
Mr. Suzanne also voted, and he said, “This list is bullshit without Beyoncé.”
LMMFAO.
Tree With Water
@Cervantes: I figured this much out already: once again, I went for a chuckle I didn’t get.
WaterGirl
@Tree With Water: I chuckled. That’s one, at least.
PurpleGirl
@Roger Moore: The problem I have the person in question is that when he does interact with others, he doesn’t play nice. He will insult you that you like President Obama and a half a dozen other things. But he still comes back to places where he’s messed up the bed and asked for support. Unfortunately, he’s not as cute as a puppeh or kitteh.
I often read Brilliant at Breakfast for Jill’s commentary. But since her husband’s death she is hardly writing at all. He who shall not be named has used her blog site as a place to post, so once in a while I’ve read portions of his postings. His writing style is way too convoluted for me to stick with for any length of time (i.e., finishing a post).
Karen in GA
@raven: Hoping all goes well and your friend makes a full recovery.
Ruckus
@PurpleGirl:
There is a reason his blog isn’t popular nor makes him money. He comes across as an asshole, maybe not a flaming one….. And we have an overabundance of those in this world.
WaterGirl
@Ruckus: I’m pretty sure my picture is in the dictionary next to the definition of bleeding heart. I may have gotten sucked in the first time, but I not longer feel at all inclined to help him out.
The fact that he’s not a member of this community plays into the decision for me, but I still give when Cole posts a “help a brother out” thread about someone I have never even heard about. But this guy is a horse of a different color. I think he takes and he doesn’t give back.
Even our own satby, who is really struggling, did a basket at her cost for someone (maybe bella Q?) for the woman whose name she drew for giving gifts at christmas. She sent someone here some “thank you” soap even though the purchase was below the threshold for getting it, because that person does so much for others. Satby still donates to other stuff that comes up here; even if it’s not a ton of money she still gives to others even though she doesn’t even have enough to get her heat fixed in the winter or get her car fixed. That’s someone who gives back.
This fellow? Maybe this makes me sound like a cold-hearted bitch, but my heart no longer bleeds for him.
eemom
Lemme step out of character for a moment, and say something sort of semi-positive about Jurassic Panhandler — sticks and stones may break his bones, but all the above won’t stop him rattling his cup here again next time.
Thick skin, ya gotta give him that.
NotMax
@WaterGirl
Nor should it. There’s a vast difference between someone in need and someone in greed.
Cervantes
@NotMax:
And that difference is … granite countertops?
satby
@raven: way late, but I hope they can get it all. Best wishes for a complete recovery to her!
satby
@Cervantes: Well, I resemble your first response to Bots, so I need to take this minute to say I remain so grateful to everyone here who helped me pay for Biggie’s medical care and the other rag-tag bunch for a while. And though I know he begs here and other places and has totally worn out his welcome I kicked in a small donation.
Because whatever the guy’s problem is, and I’m sure he has many, it really suxx to live dollar by dollar. The cascade of crap that’s just an inconvenience when you have sufficient income becomes a tsunami of problems when you let stuff go because of lack of money. You pay the most urgent thing first, the thing that keeps food in the bowl and heat on in winter, and fall behind on other stuff, god forbid you forget something vital, the fees can take so much of the pennies you were counting on.
I can see where people can get crazy. Maybe my piddly little donation can help a bit, and it’s done in honor of how good you all were to me.
Cervantes
@satby:
Thank you, more than I know how to say.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@WaterGirl: It was indeed my needy child for Christmas that satby graciously prepared a lovely spa basket for kiddo’s mom at cost. I’ve not thanked her publicly enough so again, my thanks satby for your generosity during your own lean times.
WaterGirl
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): At least my memory isn’t totally gone! :-) Of course, I was not able to remember who got the thank you soap, even though that was in a thread within the last 2 weeks. Oh, well.
I’m sure your girl and her mom counted themselves lucky that they got you as their guardian angel!
Does anyone remember the old reading comprehension tests? I remember one was about Jim Thorpe. You had to read the little story about him and then answer questions about what you read. I have no idea whether they asked stuff like what color the gloves were or if it was more important stuff than that. Either way, those tests were fun.
Or was that only a catholic school thing?
satby
@WaterGirl: It was MaryG ,.
Anyone who would go pick up a stranger in distress and take them into their home deserves a little lux soap, if you ask me.
I wanna be like MaryG when I grow up.
WaterGirl
@satby: Mary G, of course! How could I forget?
Piquoiseau
The common thread to the figures whose likenesses are on US currency is clear: all are either presidents or other important government officials. The several non-presidents lucky enough to get the distinction are important cabinet members — Alexander Hamilton on the $10, Ben Franklin on the $100, Salmon Chase on the now-defunct $10,000. Given this pattern, I would argue that Frances Perkins, as the only cabinet member to serve throughout FDR’s entire presidency, influencing the New Deal and domestic policy during World War II, is comparable to Hamilton or Chase, and is thus the choice for the $20 bill most consistent with the existing pantheon.
Cervantes
@Piquoiseau:
Do you take being “most consistent with the existing pantheon” to be a good in itself?