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You are here: Home / Civil Rights / LGBTQ Rights / Gay Rights are Human Rights / The Fast And The Furious: Indiana Grift

The Fast And The Furious: Indiana Grift

by Zandar|  April 2, 20158:10 am| 203 Comments

This post is in: Gay Rights are Human Rights, Grifters Gonna Grift, Open Threads, Flash Mob of Hate

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And as Jeebus said in the Book O’ Moolah, “Show me the one among you who in my name will stand up and refuse to cater a big gay wedding with reasonably priced pizza, and lo, that person will have all of Glennbeckistan to stand with them.”

 

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Lawrence Billy Jones The Third of His Name there?  From the Blaze.

Grifters are indeed going to grift.

Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    NotMax

    April 2, 2015 at 8:16 am

    Must admit to not grokking the pizza at a wedding thing.

    In place of a cake do they have platters of Ho-Hos?

  2. 2.

    debbie

    April 2, 2015 at 8:17 am

    As reported at TPM, there’s plenty of counteraction from the terrorists:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/memories-pizza-indiana-yelp-reviews

    And then, not to be left out:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michele-bachmann-obama-deranged-pilot

  3. 3.

    John H

    April 2, 2015 at 8:19 am

    How many pizza weddings has this place catered in the last 10 years? Are pizza weddings a thing (anywhere). The fact that any news reporter just wrote up “o-rily no gay pizza weddings” and just nodded along is crazy. The place was probably going out of business and a short little grift is easier than having an ‘unfortunate kitchen fire’

  4. 4.

    MattF

    April 2, 2015 at 8:20 am

    It’s just wonderful that all this happened on April Fool’s day. We should have ‘Fool’s days’ more often.

  5. 5.

    Sir Nose'D

    April 2, 2015 at 8:23 am

    I am pleased to see the wingnuts rise up and fight back against the soul-crushing power of the free market. My good friend Jamie Diamon just got an idea about how to get out of the next banking crisis–a Chase go fund me account.

  6. 6.

    beltane

    April 2, 2015 at 8:24 am

    @John H: Pizza weddings are now going to become a thing among wingnuts, just to stick it to liberals.

  7. 7.

    MattF

    April 2, 2015 at 8:26 am

    @beltane: And, I’d guess, among lefties as well. Bipartisanship! Not.

  8. 8.

    PurpleGirl

    April 2, 2015 at 8:26 am

    I wonder if Lawrence Billy Jones III realizes that up until recently, he too, couldn’t have gotten the pizza for a wedding from this pizza place. Yeah, I know, it was a paid gig for him to create whatever page he did.

  9. 9.

    JPL

    April 2, 2015 at 8:27 am

    Is gay marriage mentioned in the bible? I find it odd that you will serve gays and non christians but just not the marriage thing.

    @beltane: lol

  10. 10.

    MattF

    April 2, 2015 at 8:30 am

    @JPL: I have a feeling that the FSM scriptures are due for a new revelation.

  11. 11.

    Ryan

    April 2, 2015 at 8:32 am

    @beltane: Let them have their pizza weddings; they’ll look foolish!

  12. 12.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 8:35 am

    @debbie:

    Thanks.

    As reported at TPM, there’s plenty of counteraction from the terrorists:

    Is it like an old-fashioned picketing that would have taken place outside the store? One difference: the local police can’t get involved. There are other differences, too.

    And then, not to be left out:

    Ah, Ms. Bachmann (on Tuesday):

    With his Iran deal, Barack Obama is for the 300 million souls of the United States what Andreas Lubitz was for the 150 souls on the German Wings flight — a deranged pilot flying his entire nation into the rocks. After the fact, among the smoldering remains of American cities, the shocked survivors will ask, why did he do it?

    Does her analogy still work if Obama leaves “survivors”?

    I looked at the first dozen or so responses and saw one that began thus: “I was a Republican for 48 years … .”

  13. 13.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 8:41 am

    @NotMax:
    @John H:

    It’s a big world out there, boys.

  14. 14.

    MomSense

    April 2, 2015 at 8:43 am

    @Cervantes:

    They are sooo dramatic. “Smoldering remains of American Cities” is a wee bit over the top. It’s like they are fixated on a book of revelations type of Christianity where everything scares them and portends disaster.

  15. 15.

    Robert

    April 2, 2015 at 8:44 am

    I am thinking these Pizza folks are “grifting”…they knew the backlash would be ahh, big…and they are taking advantage of it…Palin-esque grifting of the christian kind…

  16. 16.

    dirk

    April 2, 2015 at 8:45 am

    Maybe a wedding like this has pizza?

  17. 17.

    debbie

    April 2, 2015 at 8:49 am

    @MomSense:

    What lie doesn’t benefit from a Biblical allusion to the Apocalypse?

  18. 18.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 8:51 am

    @MomSense:

    The Soviets, our previous Deadliest Enemy Ever, had thousands of nuclear missiles aimed at us for decades and no “smoldering remains of American cities” to show for it.

    These rascally Iranians must be even more Deadliest.

  19. 19.

    MomSense

    April 2, 2015 at 8:53 am

    @dirk:

    Yee haw! What were the grooms wearing on their heads? Was the bride singing or is that a recorded song (the horror if it is)?

    I liked the comment that the marriage may not make it through the chicken fingers at the reception.

  20. 20.

    Belafon

    April 2, 2015 at 8:53 am

    I’m sure there are people that have pizza at weddings. Don’t knock it if you don’t know for sure. Personally, I would think more of a reception that is catered toward what the bride and groom want, rather than something planned by the people who suck money out of the families.

    The local Fox station was reporting that the pizza place was getting threats to burn it down. I don’t know if those were real or not (the station, which used to be more moderate, has really started to turn into FNC since 2012), or if they were plants, but any threats like that are frustrating.

  21. 21.

    MomSense

    April 2, 2015 at 8:57 am

    @debbie:

    I always felt like revelations didn’t even belong with the rest of the gospels. It’s like there was one whack job, syphilitic member of the committee who wore all the others down until they said “fuck it we’ll never get out of these meetings unless we put that shit in there”.

    @Cervantes:

    And to think we all hid under our desks planning for the smoldering and it never happened. I’d probably be much better at math if we hadn’t interrupted so much class time preparing for the end.

  22. 22.

    Baud

    April 2, 2015 at 8:58 am

    @Belafon:

    But what if arson is part of one’s sincere religious beliefs?

  23. 23.

    jibeaux

    April 2, 2015 at 9:01 am

    The reporter who asked them about this was also the victim of lots of twitter hate and misogyny, blaming her for the restaurant closing.
    it is always, always, always, someone else’s fault. Unless you’re a poor kid. Then you should be in the garment factory or something.

  24. 24.

    debbie

    April 2, 2015 at 9:01 am

    @MomSense:

    It’s like there was one whack job,

    Didn’t realize the GOP’s roots went back that far.

  25. 25.

    MattF

    April 2, 2015 at 9:03 am

    @Baud: So why, exactly, does ‘sincerity’ excuse anything? And not, say, stupidity or ignorance.

  26. 26.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:03 am

    @Belafon:

    Agreed, and agreed.

  27. 27.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 9:03 am

    Oh no, how could they???

    Far From the Madding Crowd

    John Schlesinger’s 1967 adaptation of Thomas Hardy’s Far From The Madding Crowd must be the hardest act to follow in cinema history.

    Thomas Vinterberg and his screenwriter David Nicholls take a fair stab at it in this eccentrically cast film.

    oops, not an open thread, so solly

  28. 28.

    GOVCHRIS1988

    April 2, 2015 at 9:05 am

    “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” ~
    LYNDON B. JOHNSON, 1960

  29. 29.

    iLarynx

    April 2, 2015 at 9:06 am

    Can you enter a negative amount at GoFundMe?

  30. 30.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:11 am

    @GOVCHRIS1988:

    Yes, that was LBJ on the campaign trail explaining Jim Crow to Bill Moyers.

    (Cue Raven … )

  31. 31.

    Gex

    April 2, 2015 at 9:16 am

    @raven: so solly?

  32. 32.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 9:16 am

    @Cervantes: Thank you, thank you very much.

  33. 33.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 9:17 am

    Does anyone know how these straights-only pizza purveyors first got their mugs on camera and names in the paper? Did they call the local news to volunteer the info that they would be taking advantage of the new law to refuse to cater gay weddings?

    I call shenanigans on the “in hiding” angle too. If you haven’t received vague online threats from moronic trolls, you’ve never engaged in controversial speech online. But it appears to be paying off handsomely, which was almost certainly the plan all along.

  34. 34.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:20 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    straights-only pizza purveyors

    Not quite. “Straight-weddings-only” would be more accurate.

  35. 35.

    Paul in KY

    April 2, 2015 at 9:22 am

    @John H: Certainly people on a budget wedding, or who really, really love pizza made by WASPs would/could have pizza at their reception.

  36. 36.

    SenyorDave

    April 2, 2015 at 9:25 am

    @Cervantes: I went to the story, and here was another great comment:

    You’re turning the movie Idiocracy into a documentary.

  37. 37.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 9:27 am

    A notary public married me and husband kitteh at my friend’s house. My friend was nice enough to bake a cake for me. We wuz just poor broke grad students but even we had better food than pizza at the reception.
    How many people have pizza for their reception? Fake outrage is fake.

  38. 38.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:31 am

    @raven:

    Hey, anything to help out!

    And no, it’s unlikely I’ll be watching that re-make, either — even if it turns out to be very good.

  39. 39.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 2, 2015 at 9:34 am

    Pizza at a wedding reception? Why not? If you want a friendly, casual, and fun party for your friends and family to celebrate your union, a pizza party seems fine to me. There’s an awful lot of bourgeois propriety peeping out around here.

  40. 40.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:34 am

    @SenyorDave:

    Excellent! (Thanks.)

  41. 41.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 9:35 am

    @Cervantes: I was thinking about how much better the remake of Doctor Zhivago was. It was longer than the original and “Far” is shorter. I suppose I will see it when it hits the netflix.

  42. 42.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:35 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    There’s an awful lot of bourgeois propriety peeping out around here.

    Is that what it is? I was distracted by the smell.

  43. 43.

    Omnes Omnibus

    April 2, 2015 at 9:37 am

    @Cervantes: It’s the best I could come up with at this time of the morning.

  44. 44.

    Redshift

    April 2, 2015 at 9:39 am

    @Cervantes: Well I heard that as part of the deal, Obama is giving all of our nuclear missiles to Iran, so it’s entirely reasonable and not over the top at all! And we all know that the Iranians mullahs can’t be trusted or reasoned with, because they’re totally crazy and want to destroy the world and Israel and stuff, so they wouldn’t hesitate to use them!
    /newsmax

  45. 45.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 2, 2015 at 9:43 am

    @Cervantes: PEPPERONI!!!!

  46. 46.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 9:43 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Agreed. One of the most fun wedding receptions we ever attended was a pig roast in the woods.

  47. 47.

    Comrade Dread

    April 2, 2015 at 9:44 am

    I think if you have an open bar, then having pizza handy at your reception is a pretty boss move.

    Even more awesome: taco bar.

    Now, I’d be curious how they’re going to screen for icky gay people ordering pizza. Do they have a catechism set up for phone orders?

    Caller: Hi, I’d like to order 10 large deluxe pizzas.
    Cashier: Okay. Do you reject Satan?
    Caller: I do.
    Cashier: And all his works?
    Caller: I do.
    Cashier: And all his empty promises?
    Caller: I do.
    Cashier: Have you now or ever in the past lusted after a man in your heart?
    Caller: Uh… no… Wait. I did get a weird feeling in my pants as a kid when Bugs Bunny dressed in women’s clothing. Does that count?
    Cashier: I’ll have to ask my manager.

  48. 48.

    Paul in KY

    April 2, 2015 at 9:45 am

    @raven: They remade Doctor Zhivago?! I guess Citizen Kane will be remade before long…

  49. 49.

    Paul in KY

    April 2, 2015 at 9:46 am

    @Comrade Dread: Bugs always rocked his outfits.

  50. 50.

    Botsplainer

    April 2, 2015 at 9:49 am

    Meanwhile, the historic schooner Western Union (Flagship of Key West and beloved of both locals and tourists alike for a good value sunset sail) didn’t even come close to its $60,000.00 target to stay afloat.

    http://schoonerwesternunion.causevox.com/

    I suppose a gofundme might be a better vehicle for money-raising, but still.

  51. 51.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 2, 2015 at 9:50 am

    @Betty Cracker: After our wedding in a cave we had a pot luck dinner with everyone contributing a side dish on a gravel bar next to a creek.

  52. 52.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 9:52 am

    OT:
    1. What should I take to an Easter Brunch?
    2. Has anyone seen Wolf Hall? The PBS promos look interesting.

  53. 53.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 9:53 am

    @Paul in KY: Yes, it was a mini-series with Keira Knightley, Sam Neill, and Hans Matheson. Much more detailed than the original. Some people hated it, I kind of liked it.

  54. 54.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:55 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Was pretty clear. Thanks for speaking out.

    Meanwhile in Indiana, a draft re-write is making the rounds today:

    The compromise legislation specifies that the new religious freedom law cannot be used as a legal defense to discriminate against patrons based on their sexual orientation or gender identity.

    The proposal goes much further than a “preamble” that was proposed earlier in the week, and, if it stands, would be the first time any protections against discrimination have been extended to gays and lesbians in state law. But it doesn’t go as far as establishing gays and lesbians as a protected class of citizens statewide or repealing the law outright, both things that Republican leaders have said they could not support.

    From a reporter at the Indianapolis Star.

  55. 55.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 9:56 am

    @Botsplainer: I spent a few days on a schooner off of the Maine coast. It was a wonderful experience even though I was perpetually cold. I misjudged how cold it would be on the water in June in Maine.

  56. 56.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 9:57 am

    @raven:

    Er … the original was the book!

  57. 57.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 9:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: At my first wedding we had 10 people and three dogs in the Fu Dog Garden at Allerton Park I wore a powder blue cowboy shirt with yellow flowers, blue converse high-tops with red laces and even put my hair in a pony tale out of respect! We had fried chicken and potato salad.

  58. 58.

    Yatsuno

    April 2, 2015 at 9:58 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: Samosas for the brunch. Nothing like crunchy Indian pastries that fill people up and that aren’t that hard to prepare to make a brunch extra special. Bring some raita if you feel like it.

  59. 59.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 9:58 am

    @Cervantes: And the mini-series was more true to the book.

  60. 60.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 9:59 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I love pizza as much as the next person, but pizza is messy, who wants oily fingers and tomato sauce on their nice clothes? Especially on silk?

    ETA: I was wearing a peacock blue hand-embroidered silk sari at my wedding reception.

  61. 61.

    Ruckus

    April 2, 2015 at 9:59 am

    @MomSense:
    It’s like they are fixated on a book of revelations type of Christianity where everything scares them and portends disaster.

    It’s not like they are fixated, they are convinced everything portends disaster and yes it scares them.
    Yes I have met fundies, why do you ask?

  62. 62.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:00 am

    @Yatsuno: Samosas are too much work. Raita is a good idea. What about baked brie? would that be good?

  63. 63.

    Botsplainer

    April 2, 2015 at 10:01 am

    @Paul in KY:

    The Zhivago remake stayed true to the original story and actually made sense.

    Observations:

    1. Pasha/Strelnikov wasn’t a gloomy cartoon of a grim commie apparatchik. That character had depth, and you can see why Lara would have been drawn to him in the first place.

    2. Zhivago didn’t wander around the entire film as a brooding observer who was one step back from being a sociopathic body dissecting serial killer.

    3. As always, Komarovsky stole the show. You understand the past connection between him and Zhivago (he ripped off Zhivago’s father when Zhivago was a child) and the ongoing interactions actually become explainable. Sam Neill does the “glibly cynical opportunist” role as well as (if not better than) Rod Steiger.

  64. 64.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 10:01 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Has anyone seen Wolf Hall?

    I found the book, by Hilary Mantel, excellent.

  65. 65.

    scav

    April 2, 2015 at 10:04 am

    @Cervantes: And they’re leaving the corporate person with spiritual rights extention alone. and there are still all the things the religiously inspired do against women, especially on health issues. A) Pleased getting some movement for gay issues out of that Intolerant Inhospital Insane state, but B) Not. Enough.

    eta leaving typo!

  66. 66.

    catclub

    April 2, 2015 at 10:06 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    What should I take to an Easter Brunch?

    Rabbit Stew. With pastel food coloring.

    These RFRA laws remind me very much of Voter ID laws. They primarily are protecting people who do not exist, or exist only in single digit numbers. The GOP legislatures seem to solve problems that do not actually exist.

  67. 67.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:08 am

    @catclub: Good idea, I should get one of my kittehs to hunt the jack rabbits in my yard. I am afraid that they may be too fat and well fed to accomplish the task.

  68. 68.

    Arm The Homeless

    April 2, 2015 at 10:10 am

    I am at work so I apologize for the drive-by post, but every single one of the brain-dead cretins who called in a death threat to the moron pizza people need to be found and charged with terrorism.

    I can’t believe that people would that fucking ignorant. /rant

  69. 69.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 10:10 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: I volunteered to create a butter lamb for the large family Easter dinner we’re attending. I’d never heard of a butter lamb until I married into a Polish family.

    In past years, someone who was coming down from up north (where butter lambs are widely available for purchase) always brought one in a cooler. But this year, no one did, so I am making one myself. I plan on a more realistic-looking result than the one in link above!

  70. 70.

    Germy Shoemangler

    April 2, 2015 at 10:11 am

    I’m sure they’re seeing this as a gift from god. Because they didn’t go looking for this. The local news station sent a young reporter out into town to “get reactions from local businesses” to the law.

    The young lady spilled the beans, and then all this happened.

    With enough donations, f*ck making pizzas, they can retire.

  71. 71.

    rea

    April 2, 2015 at 10:12 am

    Somehow these people have worked it out in their heads so that it’s okay for them to boycott (and pass nasty remarks about) your wedding, but unforgivably mean for you to refuse to buy their pizza, provided that they’ll deign to sell it to you.

  72. 72.

    Felonius Monk

    April 2, 2015 at 10:12 am

    @MattF:

    We should have ‘Fool’s days’ more often

    It looks like every day will be a Fool’s Day in Indiana for the near future.

  73. 73.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:13 am

    @Betty Cracker: That lamb looks like a chicken to me. You should post a photo of your version on the blog.

  74. 74.

    Germy Shoemangler

    April 2, 2015 at 10:14 am

    @Paul in KY: I remember seeing a short animated underground film that purported to show what the various warner bros. cartoon characters were up to nowadays. They were all down on their luck. One was morbidly obese living in a trailer. Several were drug addicts.

    In one “man on the street” segment, Bugs Bunny could be seen briefly in the background. A transvestite hooker.

  75. 75.

    rea

    April 2, 2015 at 10:14 am

    @Betty Cracker: Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

  76. 76.

    debbie

    April 2, 2015 at 10:15 am

    @MattF:

    I think every day has been April Fool’s Day since the Tea Party sprouted up.

  77. 77.

    jon

    April 2, 2015 at 10:15 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: Messy? Most food is messy. Cake is served at weddings, for the sake of many effs. Wine can stain, too.

    A wedding can be a pageant of riches or a pageant of excess credit limits gone dry, but it can also be a fun party where people celebrate both the love of two people and the combining of families and friends. If salmon fits on the menu, so might pizza or breakfast cereal or pop tarts. If I’m inviting forty or more guests to have a meal, I want them to enjoy it.

    Gay people like pizza, straight people like pizza, transfolk like pizza, furries like pizza, pansexual otherkin bottoms like pizza, and sadists like not allowing people who like pizza to have pizza. Pizza is universal. Aside from some religious restrictions for some toppings, there’s a pizza for everyone. There’s even gluten-free, vegan pies for the niece’s high school boyfriend who might be emo or it might just be a phase.

  78. 78.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 10:15 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: I shall! Will probably not make it until Sunday morning so that I can enlist my daughter’s assistance (she’s out of town right now) and to reduce the chances someone will squash it with a carton of juice in our fridge.

  79. 79.

    catclub

    April 2, 2015 at 10:15 am

    So how do you ensure that checks made out to Joebilly will even get to Memories Pizza?
    This sounds like a great way to grift -wholesale.

  80. 80.

    MattF

    April 2, 2015 at 10:16 am

    @Germy Shoemangler: Bugs’ gender was always indeterminate.

  81. 81.

    Rex Tremendae

    April 2, 2015 at 10:17 am

    This isn’t grift, Zandar, the pizza joint has shut down due to excessive phony orders (and possibly death threats).

  82. 82.

    scav

    April 2, 2015 at 10:17 am

    @Betty Cracker: That particular one looks like a butter chicken, which does suggests wider opportunities . .

  83. 83.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:18 am

    @jon: Sorry, I had no idea that I had offended the High Church of Pizza.

  84. 84.

    jon

    April 2, 2015 at 10:18 am

    Salsa can be messy, too. Guess what’s served at half the weddings in Tucson? Mexican food. There might be messes, but the margaritas make it so no one minds too much.

  85. 85.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 10:19 am

    @jon:

    !

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    who wants oily fingers and tomato sauce on their nice clothes? Especially on silk?

    I know!

    Let them eat cake, right?

  86. 86.

    Belafon

    April 2, 2015 at 10:20 am

    @Comrade Dread: My youngest requested, and received, a taco bar for his tenth birthday party.

  87. 87.

    catclub

    April 2, 2015 at 10:20 am

    Go Fund Me FAQ entry:

    Can I raise money for a friend?

    Of course! You can either withdraw the funds first then send them to your beneficiary, or contact our team to give your beneficiary access to the account. Please note you will not be able to enter their check or bank information during the withdrawal process, they will need to do this themselves. Contact us to set up withdrawals for your beneficiary.

    I wonder what the IRS thinks of this.

    Asking for a friend…..

  88. 88.

    jon

    April 2, 2015 at 10:23 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: May your pie be cut unevenly, causing strife among your family! May the sauce be so thick, the cheese slides off onto your chin, giving you a tomato goatee! With the furiousness of a huge bubble that takes up almost an entire slice, causing the crust below to be too crisp and cut the roof of your mouth just a little bit, sort of in an abrasive way, I CURSE THEE!

  89. 89.

    Paul in KY

    April 2, 2015 at 10:23 am

    @raven: I could see a miniseries. As you said, more time to delve into more detail. Thank you for responding.

    Edit: Who played Strelnikov?

  90. 90.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 10:26 am

    CNN has a story about florists in Hazelhurst that would refuse to do the flowers at a gay commitment ceremony. When the reporter listed a bunch of other “sins” and asked one of the owners if she would serve people who engaged in that sin she said “yes because I consider THAT son worse than thee others”. All the angry blog posts in the world are not going to impact people like this.

  91. 91.

    Paul in KY

    April 2, 2015 at 10:26 am

    @Botsplainer: Cool! Will have to check it out.

  92. 92.

    Waldo

    April 2, 2015 at 10:27 am

    @Cervantes: Here’s what I don’t get — if it doesn’t allow for anti-gay stuff, what exactly is the point of the revised law? A fig leaf to cover Pence’s shame?

  93. 93.

    catclub

    April 2, 2015 at 10:27 am

    @jon:

    I CURSE THEE!

    Or as Rimmer put it on Red Dwarf: “Gazpacho Soooooup!”

    Also, Kryten; “Ketchup!” (Head explodes.)

  94. 94.

    Paul in KY

    April 2, 2015 at 10:28 am

    @Germy Shoemangler: Wow, that short sounds like a hoot. I would assume Foghorn Leghorn was doing life in the pen.

  95. 95.

    MattF

    April 2, 2015 at 10:29 am

    @raven: Did the reporter ask about punishing people who sell the sexual organs of living creatures for profit?

    ETA: I.e, ‘florists’.

  96. 96.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:30 am

    One of the best wedding receptions I have been to was a Parsi one. Great food, great music and no pizza in sight!
    Parsi food is a delicious blend of Persian, Indian and Anglo Indian cuisines.

  97. 97.

    Belafon

    April 2, 2015 at 10:30 am

    @raven: “I didn’t think it was up to you.”

  98. 98.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    April 2, 2015 at 10:31 am

    @MomSense:

    I always felt like revelations didn’t even belong with the rest of the gospels. It’s like there was one whack job, syphilitic member of the committee who wore all the others down until they said “fuck it we’ll never get out of these meetings unless we put that shit in there”.

    I have read, but cannot now find the reference, that the Revelation of John was included after much debate as the most literary of the revelation/prophecy genre. (I want to say it was one of Ehrman’s books.) It’s still not considered canon everywhere. Both Luther and Calvin seem to have had doubts about it.

  99. 99.

    SuperHrefna

    April 2, 2015 at 10:32 am

    @schrodinger’s cat: Peeps casserole? http://afridgefulloffood.typepad.com/my_weblog/2011/04/easter-more-than-one-way-to-eat-a-peep.html

  100. 100.

    Belafon

    April 2, 2015 at 10:32 am

    You will all enjoy this morning’s Daily Kos comic: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/02/1374748/-Cartoon-Lo-in-the-land-of-Indiana.

  101. 101.

    scav

    April 2, 2015 at 10:32 am

    All right, let’s put on the enthnographer or anthropologist’s hat and concider the concept of ritual purity in this isolated small tribe. Clearly, delivering decorated flat breads at a meal immediately following a service celebrating the personal committment of the untouchables is contaminating, even if the service had been held elsewhere, although the untouchables moving to the original point of sale of the decorated flat breads removes the ritual taint somehow. But, would catering the rehersal bring similar unclenliness? Presumably catering a civil parnership ceremony is in the clear for many similar tribes, as those were suggested as alternatives elsewhere, but is it so in this particular backwater? What about heavy dating, when (if ever) does it become too serious for ordering delivered pizza to be a responsible social option?

    I find the whole traveling to point of sale removes cooties most fascinating, but that’s the geographer breaking through.

  102. 102.

    germy shoemangler

    April 2, 2015 at 10:33 am

    @Paul in KY: Here’s the link to the film:

    https://vimeo.com/105847954

  103. 103.

    Bubblegum Tate

    April 2, 2015 at 10:33 am

    Grifters gonna grift, but true believers gonna truly believe–some with the monumental blindness that this nutpicked commenter exhibits:

    Wouldn’t it be the ultimate irony if this ended up being the issue that brings thinking people from both sides together to fight a common enemy. And I think it almost goes without saying that the common enemy is becoming more and more apparent to more and more people.

    Yeah, uh, thinking people on both sides have come together to fight a common enemy. And that enemy is you, true believer.

  104. 104.

    SuperHrefna

    April 2, 2015 at 10:34 am

    @SuperHrefna: Or if you want to be really topical what about a pizza topped with peeps? http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/04/peepza-peeps-on-a-pizza.html

    If you look around, you’ll also find recipes for Peep sushi and Peep ceviche…

  105. 105.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 10:35 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: You had a cave! Our reception was in a cardboard box in a hole in the road.

  106. 106.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:37 am

    @different-church-lady: Are you a kitteh?

  107. 107.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 10:37 am

    @Belafon: Ruben Bolling is brilliant. EOM.

  108. 108.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2015 at 10:39 am

    WaterGirl,

    I have been watching DIG. I like it. I’m going to hang in there with it, because it has a lot of the elements that I like
    Conspiracy
    Religion
    Politics

  109. 109.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 10:40 am

    @Belafon:

    Personally, I would think more of a reception that is catered toward what the bride and groom want, rather than something planned by the people who suck money out of the families.

    GROOM: I do… want PEPPERONI!

    I’m sure Pizza Weddings will become “a thing” the moment some wedding planner figures out a way it can cost $75 a pie.

  110. 110.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:40 am

    @scav: This version of ritual purity is even more weird than the one practiced by orthodox Brahmins. They don’t eat food not prepared according to all their strictures but usually they don’t care about who eats the food they have prepared.

  111. 111.

    Botsplainer

    April 2, 2015 at 10:40 am

    @MomSense:

    I always felt like revelations didn’t even belong with the rest of the gospels. It’s like there was one whack job, syphilitic member of the committee who wore all the others down until they said “fuck it we’ll never get out of these meetings unless we put that shit in there”.

    Twenty plus years ago, wife went to the cave on Patmos where John is said to have penned Revelations. Her observation at the time was along the lines of “if I was imprisoned in that gloomy fucking place I’d have gone nuts and written crazy shit, too”.

  112. 112.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 10:41 am

    @raven, quoting:

    “yes because I consider THAT son worse than [the] others”

    Freudian slip?

  113. 113.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 10:41 am

    @different-church-lady: Luxury!

  114. 114.

    wasabi gasp

    April 2, 2015 at 10:43 am

    The Chinese place next door is gung-ho for your wanton gay wedding.

  115. 115.

    Zandar

    April 2, 2015 at 10:44 am

    @Rex Tremendae: Perhaps not for the pizza place.

    Not so sure about the Blaze guy running the GoFundMe.

  116. 116.

    WaterGirl

    April 2, 2015 at 10:49 am

    deleted.

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    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 10:50 am

    BTW how do these bakers and florists know that they are providing their services for a gay wedding? Do they ask their customers, are you getting gay married or straight married?

  118. 118.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    April 2, 2015 at 10:51 am

    @Botsplainer: My favorite reaction to the Revelation of John came from what may be the most passionately religious among my circle of friends. When asked in Sunday School what she thought of it, she replied, “I want what he was smoking.”

  119. 119.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    April 2, 2015 at 10:51 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Luxury!

    ETA: D’oh! Betty beat me to it.

  120. 120.

    J R in WV

    April 2, 2015 at 10:52 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Just guessing, not an Easter-celebrating xtian, but I bet deviled eggs can’t go wrong.

  121. 121.

    SenyorDave

    April 2, 2015 at 10:52 am

    @MattF: Bugs’ gender was always indeterminate.

    I can remember several Bugs Bunny shorts where Bugs was rather clearly heterosexual male in terms of his desires. One where at the end a genie grants him a wish and his harem is a bevy of comely female rabbits and another where a witch ends up changing into a curvy female rabbit that Bugs ends up with.

  122. 122.

    WaterGirl

    April 2, 2015 at 10:54 am

    @rikyrah: Thanks. Was it you who initially thought there was a creepy factor? Seems like maybe it might have been you.

  123. 123.

    ThresherK

    April 2, 2015 at 10:55 am

    @different-church-lady: A box? And a real hole?

    We had to make do with a ditch, and a section of old newspaper to serve as a roof.

  124. 124.

    Han

    April 2, 2015 at 11:01 am

    @wasabi gasp: Don’t you mean “wonton gay wedding”?

  125. 125.

    MattF

    April 2, 2015 at 11:01 am

    @SenyorDave: On the other hand, there are all those sequences where Bugs is wearing lipstick and a dress to ‘woo’ Elmer. Some of this, some of that.

  126. 126.

    kc

    April 2, 2015 at 11:03 am

    Apparently the owners are getting bomb threats and death threats, so if people want to send them money, that’s fine with me.

    I just don’t understand why this country is so full of assholes whose response to anything they disagree with is to make violent threats.

  127. 127.

    rikyrah

    April 2, 2015 at 11:06 am

    from POU:

    Miranda

    I am always intrigued by the tweets from @afamhistfail – a tour guide at a plantation. This is a series of tweets on what happened with a tour yesterday. The last tweet is from this morning.
    —————————–
    We’re debuting a new slavery tour at the historic mansion today, and so far it’s going very well.

    Most of the tourists have been in a good mood and receptive to information about slavery.

    With one notable exception.

    One lady stayed late after my coworker’s tour. “What is your name?” she demanded of the guide.

    My coworker gave her name. The tourist continued, “Well, I just want you to know that was the worst tour I’ve ever been on.”

    Tourist: “You talked way too much about the slaves and not enough about the [family that owned them].”

    My coworker was like, “Well, my job title is slavery specialist.”

    The tourist kept barging on. “EVERYBODY owned slaves back then. EVERYBODY had servants. I came here to learn abt the [slaveowning family].”

    The other people in the tour were staring at this point. The lady was full-on yelling at my coworker.

    Tourist: “I’ve been coming here for years, & I wanted to hear about [slaveowning family]. You just talked about the slaves the whole time.”

    My coworker tried to gently interrupt the yelling. The tourist yelled, “CAN I JUST FINISH.”

    When she had tired herself out, the offending tourist stormed away.

    Presumable in search of more information about white people.

    (this tweet from this morning)
    Apparently yesterday a tourist came up to a coworker of mine and demanded primary documentation for every slave fact that was uttered.

  128. 128.

    Hal

    April 2, 2015 at 11:07 am

    97,000 and counting. That’s a lot of pizzas.

  129. 129.

    Mike E

    April 2, 2015 at 11:07 am

    @Paul in KY:

    Citizen Kane will be remade before long…

    High bar, that one…how will the director/star destroy his/her career faster than Welles did (opening scene)?

  130. 130.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 11:22 am

    @kc: Every person who makes death threats to the asshole pizza people should get genital warts — it’s a stupid, counterproductive thing to do, and to the extent they can be identified, they should be prosecuted.

    But it’s just a bunch of Twitter loudmouths, not a fatwa. I’m sure the asshole pizza people are glad to see their coffers swell and are playing up the Christian martyr angle for all it’s worth. Thanks, Twitter fuckheads, for playing into their hands.

  131. 131.

    MomSense

    April 2, 2015 at 11:23 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I misjudged how cold it would be on the water in June in Maine.

    On the water in Maine is never warm. In the water in Maine is even less warm–unless you are 9 and younger.

  132. 132.

    MomSense

    April 2, 2015 at 11:27 am

    @rikyrah:

    I have been watching DIG. I like it. I’m going to hang in there with it, because it has a lot of the elements that I like
    Conspiracy
    Religion
    Politics

    The element I like best is Jason Isaacs. I highly recommend Case Histories if you haven’t seen it yet.

  133. 133.

    Major Major Major Major

    April 2, 2015 at 11:38 am

    @Mike E: I thought the first week of filming was supposed to be a brilliant example of in-the-bucket one shot prep work?

  134. 134.

    karen marie

    April 2, 2015 at 11:40 am

    @Cervantes: Poor One L is feeling left out now. “Pay attention to meeeee!”

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. Let’s hope she is permanently consigned to shrieking on Book of Faces.

  135. 135.

    Jay C

    April 2, 2015 at 11:41 am

    @catclub:

    The GOP legislatures seem to solve problems that do not actually exist.

    For a lot of them, having to acknowledge that gay people exist, and have to be treated as full and equal citizens, and protected against discrimination IS a huge problem. As are constraints on their preferred “solutions” …

  136. 136.

    karen marie

    April 2, 2015 at 11:42 am

    @Belafon: I don’t believe it for a hot second. More likely the owners think they’ve hit on a way to burn the store down for the insurance without getting nailed for it.

  137. 137.

    Calouste

    April 2, 2015 at 11:43 am

    @catclub:

    The GOP legislatures seem to solve problems that do not actually exist.

    Solving problems that do exist is way above their competence level.

  138. 138.

    MeDrewNotYou

    April 2, 2015 at 11:44 am

    Let me take advantage of the open thread for an update on Sophie.Last night our sweet little puppy ate a penny. She was fine all night (maybe more of a bed hog than usual) and she’s her normal self this morning. We called the vet first thing this morning (no emergency vets in the area) and she said that unless she’s got blood in her urine/feces/vomit or is obviously in pain not to worry. The fun part? We get to dig through her poop for the next few days to find the penny (not even a quarter or dime!). Yay! If it still hasn’t passed, we’re to bring her in Monday.

    So thanks to everyone for their advice in the previous thread. If you were here, I’m certain Sophie would smother you with kisses.

  139. 139.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    April 2, 2015 at 11:44 am

    @Mike E:

    To be fair, it was actually “The Magnificent Ambersons” that destroyed Welles’ career — as was far too common for him, he got distracted by the next shiny object (a propaganda documentary about South America) and abandoned “Ambersons” to the studio, which ruined it. He had a really, really hard time finishing projects because he would get bored with editing.

  140. 140.

    Major Major Major Major

    April 2, 2015 at 11:46 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): In my mind Welles will forever just be the sad drunk with the cat trying to do the ad for peas.

  141. 141.

    Mandalay

    April 2, 2015 at 11:47 am

    @kc:

    I just don’t understand why this country is so full of assholes whose response to anything they disagree with is to make violent threats.

    An OP here about James O’Keefe yesterday was titled “A Face Crying Out for A Fist“. O’Keefe is a jerk, but what (lack of) thinking is going on here for that to be a thread title?

  142. 142.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 11:48 am

    @ThresherK: Well, we called it a box. It was really flattened paste made from flakes of dead skin and our own spit. But we were lucky to have it.

  143. 143.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 11:49 am

    @MattF: That was really much more of a comment on Elmer’s gullibility than Bugs’ sexuality.

  144. 144.

    Major Major Major Major

    April 2, 2015 at 11:49 am

    Why? That doesn’t make any sense. Sorry. There’s no known way of saying an English sentence in which you begin a sentence with “in” and emphasize it. Get me a jury and show me how you can say “in July” and I’ll… go down on you. That’s just idiotic, if you’ll forgive me by saying so.

    Oh Welles. Even at your worst you were great.

  145. 145.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 11:50 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Thanks, Twitter fuckheads, for playing into their hands.

    I wonder if the founders of Twitter ever have any regret over what they have wrought.

    Heh… I crack myself up…

  146. 146.

    karen marie

    April 2, 2015 at 11:50 am

    @Betty Cracker: That is hilarious! Please promise you will make yours life size? You could make a corral with baguettes.

  147. 147.

    Major Major Major Major

    April 2, 2015 at 11:51 am

    @Mandalay: the german word Backpfeifengesicht, which has been the frequent topic of conversation here, translates to that phrase. As context.

    It’s used rather casually in German for folks like him.

  148. 148.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    April 2, 2015 at 11:54 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Good luck!

  149. 149.

    Cain

    April 2, 2015 at 11:54 am

    @Belafon:

    The local Fox station was reporting that the pizza place was getting threats to burn it down. I don’t know if those were real or not (the station, which used to be more moderate, has really started to turn into FNC since 2012), or if they were plants, but any threats like that are frustrating.

    Any time there is a liberal outrage, the fucking anarchists show up to fuck with everyone. Fucking anarchists.. why do they always show up for liberal outrage and not conservative ones?

  150. 150.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 11:55 am

    @kc:

    I just don’t understand why this country is so full of assholes whose response to anything they disagree with is to make violent threats.

    Patriarchy?

    Natural selection?

    Moral and intellectual bankruptcy?

    Old-time religion?

    Television?

  151. 151.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 11:56 am

    @Cain: You don’t know who these people are.

  152. 152.

    Violet

    April 2, 2015 at 11:56 am

    @MeDrewNotYou: So glad to hear Sophie is okay. Sounds like a fun couple of days for you, what with all that poop inspecting.

  153. 153.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 11:56 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    A Polish family from Buffalo, no less.

  154. 154.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 11:56 am

    @Cervantes: You have to break eggs to make an omelet?

  155. 155.

    karen marie

    April 2, 2015 at 11:57 am

    @different-church-lady: I got married in a Jewish deli, with a Chinese JP. After the ceremony, we took bagged lunches over to the Charles River and went sailing at Community Boating. That my sandwich order was wrong was probably a sign that the marriage wouldn’t last long. Oh, well.

  156. 156.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 11:58 am

    @raven: I bet someone at Daily Kos has proof it was the FBI doing a false flag operation to discredit OWS.

  157. 157.

    Cain

    April 2, 2015 at 11:58 am

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    ETA: I was wearing a peacock blue hand-embroidered silk sari at my wedding reception.

    NIce! Love the color. My wife had a purple sari, she looked quite fetching.

  158. 158.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 11:58 am

    @Cain:

    You’re blaming anarchists? Why?

  159. 159.

    Cain

    April 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    @Yatsuno: Samosas are too much work. Raita is a good idea. What about baked brie? would that be good?

    I made mini samosas using wonton wrappers. They came out great, and it was completely gone. I made up my own peas and potato filling. I didn’t like what was out there.

  160. 160.

    Cain

    April 2, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    @debbie:

    I think every day has been April Fool’s Day since the Tea Party sprouted up.

    So you’re saying it’s groundhog day coupled with april fools?

  161. 161.

    Applejinx

    April 2, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    Bugs is Eddie Izzard. He’s straight (perhaps not narrow, but straight) but he’s a crossdresser and loves the heck out of it. Part of it is to con people or trick them.

  162. 162.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 12:02 pm

    @Cervantes:

    In another interview, Rotten professed bafflement at the furore surrounding the group: “I don’t understand it. All we’re trying to do is destroy everything.”

  163. 163.

    Cain

    April 2, 2015 at 12:03 pm

    @Cervantes:

    You’re blaming anarchists? Why?

    Just by observation.. every time there is a protest of some sort, there is always some element that has to go out and start destroying things. Maybe it is a Portland thing I don’t know. But I always blame anarchists because the original crowd is always confused as to why it was happening at all and cannot account for the people who are doing it. For people who care about the issues, they are likely not going to turn to violence unless it is something extremely emotional like Ferguson. But white kids protesting police violence.. well, it can’t be so bad that they’d start breaking windows.

  164. 164.

    MeDrewNotYou

    April 2, 2015 at 12:03 pm

    @Violet: I’d grumble and say she’s not worth it, but she’d give me her pitiful look and I’d feel awful. She’s really got it down too; Sophie could star in one of the animal abuse commercials with her sad eyes. (She also has the shih-tzu ‘tears’ thing going that sometimes makes her look like she’s crying. It’s too much!)

  165. 165.

    Cain

    April 2, 2015 at 12:04 pm

    That said, regardless of whether it is anarchists or not (after all, I have no proof), people are assholes regardless of what they believe in and if they can find a way to let their asshole flag fly anonymously. Why not, right?

  166. 166.

    raven

    April 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm

    @Cain: Ever hear of Tommy the Traveler famous agent provocateur?

  167. 167.

    Violet

    April 2, 2015 at 12:12 pm

    This argument over pizza at a wedding is stupid. It’s not about the pizza. What if a restaurant serving all sorts of food that people deem “acceptable for weddings” said the same thing? The discussion of “who has pizza at weddings?” is derailing discussion of the actual issue. The issue is businesses using the claim of “religious freedom” to discriminate. That’s the real issue.

    Who the hell cares what people want to serve at their weddings–or not serve. It’s their wedding so they can do what they want. Maybe if you’re invited you can comment on it. Otherwise, STFU.

  168. 168.

    Mandalay

    April 2, 2015 at 12:20 pm

    @Belafon:

    The local Fox station was reporting that the pizza place was getting threats to burn it down. I don’t know if those were real or not

    Consider the source. The story does not add up. There are no specific details of any threats, and no reports that the threats have been passed on to the police. Why would the pizzeria owner close his business due to alleged threats, yet not involve the police?

  169. 169.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Yes, he was witty, even at that age.

    @different-church-lady:

    I’m sure Pizza Weddings will become “a thing” the moment some wedding planner figures out a way it can cost $75 a pie.

    1. How do you know they are not “a thing“? Do they have to be “a thing” before they can be “a thing”? (Needless to say, I have no idea if they are “a thing” — but neither do I see the relevance.)

    2. For what fraction of American weddings these days do you think a wedding-planner is hired?

  170. 170.

    wasabi gasp

    April 2, 2015 at 12:34 pm

    @Cain:

    di-a-bo-lick-al sab-oh-tay-jee

  171. 171.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 12:36 pm

    @Cervantes: I believe we’re furrowing our brows far too much over my useless bon mot.

  172. 172.

    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    @wasabi gasp: Clampett was the only one of the WB cartoon directors who would dare deny Bugs the upper hand and still have the cartoon work.

  173. 173.

    schrodinger's cat

    April 2, 2015 at 12:39 pm

    @Cain: Purple is a pretty color. Was it a Kanjeevaram? Mine was Paithani.
    @Violet: People can serve whatever they want at their wedding.

    The discussion of “who has pizza at weddings?” is derailing discussion of the actual issue. The issue is businesses using the claim of “religious freedom” to discriminate. That’s the real issue.

    I agree.

    Who the hell cares what people want to serve at their weddings–or not serve. It’s their wedding so they can do what they want. Maybe if you’re invited you can comment on it. Otherwise, STFU.

    So, do I need to clear my comments with you before I post them?

  174. 174.

    Violet

    April 2, 2015 at 12:41 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Yes, please. Every time!

  175. 175.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 12:44 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Hardly — but I’m happy to abandon the joke if you want to.

  176. 176.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 12:47 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Consider the source. The story does not add up. There are no specific details of any threats, and no reports that the threats have been passed on to the police. Why would the pizzeria owner close his business due to alleged threats, yet not involve the police?

    Very vigilant-ish, but not quite vigilant-ish enough.

    For example:

    The Walkerton Police Department is committed to extending professional police services to all in need, regardless of said person’s sexual, religious, or political views. We encourage all to follow Indiana Laws and Statutes. We ask that all frustrations and rebuttals with Memories Pizza’s recent media statements remain within the law.

    Questions have arisen based upon [high-school coach] Jessica Dooley’s twitter comment “Who’s going to Walkerton with me to burn down Memories Pizza”. The Walkerton Police Department has finished an investigation into this statement and submitted a case to the St. Joseph County Prosecutors office for possible charging of harassment, intimidation, and threats.

    Once again, the Walkerton Police Department urges all to follow Indiana State law! Any and all violations of Indiana State Statue will be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible.

    Assistant Chief of Police,
    Charles Kulp PE#280
    Walkerton Police Department

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    Paul in KY

    April 2, 2015 at 12:54 pm

    @different-church-lady: The turtle always kicked Bug’s ass too.

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    Botsplainer

    April 2, 2015 at 12:55 pm

    For anybody tempted to think that no gay guys would do wedding pizzas because gays aren’t rednecks, about 15 years ago I did a divorce for a middle aged redneck from about 70 miles outside the city who had come to terms with the fact that he was gay; had been married about 15 years and wanted to move on. Strode into my office in a grimy work cap and NASCAR logged jacket, and then all 6’4″ of him tossed a pack of Marlboro heavies on the table while drawling “I’m gay, this marriage is done” in a low, booming voice (dude was a mountain of a man).

    I could easily see him with a pizza reception and would be afraid to tell him that it is gauche…

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    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    @Cervantes:
    Also:

    1. How do you know they are not “a thing“? Do they have to be “a thing” before they can be “a thing”?

    When it comes to weddings, I submit nothing is a “thing” until it receives front-of-section treatment from the NYTimes style editors.

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    different-church-lady

    April 2, 2015 at 1:02 pm

    @Paul in KY: Good catch: Cecil Turtle would play the regular Bugs role and Bugs would wind up more like Daffy’s later mold.

    The three tortoise v. hare cartoons were Tex Avery, Clampett, and Freling (who was notorious for reusing ideas from earlier cartoons).

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    Major Major Major Major

    April 2, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    @Botsplainer: *clears throat*

    Ahem.

    Woof.

  182. 182.

    Wally Ballou

    April 2, 2015 at 1:12 pm

    @SenyorDave: At the end of Chuck Jones’ “Hold the Lion Please”, we’re introduced to MRS. Bugs Bunny… who literally wears the pants in the family.

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    Mandalay

    April 2, 2015 at 1:17 pm

    @Cervantes: I stand corrected, and I don’t blame the pizzeria owner in the least for closing up, however vague and implausible that Twitter threat might seem to outsiders.

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    Ukko

    April 2, 2015 at 1:20 pm

    @Baud: The night is dark and full of shadows…

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    rea

    April 2, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    @Waldo: if it doesn’t allow for anti-gay stuff, what exactly is the point of the revised law?

    Well, it allows Native Americans to do peyote. :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Division_v._Smith

  186. 186.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    @Mandalay: Seriously? It was a tweet from some fool of a gym teacher. Pizza man could have repelled her by lobbing globs of dough and wielding peels.

  187. 187.

    Mandalay

    April 2, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Seriously? It was a tweet from some fool of a gym teacher. Pizza man could have repelled her by lobbing globs of dough and wielding peels.

    Yes, very seriously. The text of the Twitter was “Who’s going to Walkerton with me to burn down Memories Pizza”. It was an open invitation for any nutjob to turn up even if the author was “just kidding”.

    It’s so easy to dismiss these threats as silly and treat them lightly (as you just did) when you are on the outside. But put yourself in the position of the pizzeria owner: taking the threat seriously is the smart thing to do.

    As a society we have moved on from making jokes about the nagging mother-in-law, or the fat, ugly wife. But we still think it is OK to casually make calls for violence.

  188. 188.

    WaterGirl

    April 2, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    @Mandalay: Well, maybe not threats in the way we would understand them. If someone disagrees with my stand and says I’m wrong, that’s a threat to my world view. Poof, they are threatening me!

  189. 189.

    Jonny Scrum-half

    April 2, 2015 at 1:54 pm

    I’m not sure that I understand the “religious” objections argument to performing a service for a gay couple, or for anyone else for that matter. There’s nothing in someone’s religion that forbids them from preparing food for someone who has, in their mind, committed a sin. For example, does Memories Pizza refuse to serve adulterers? People who take the Lord’s name in vain? How can they draw a line at serving a gay couple?

    That said – and maybe contrary to what I just said – I have to confess that I see a difference between declining to serve food to someone (which I don’t think holds water) and declining to, say, take photographs at a wedding. I don’t know that I can articulate the difference in a way that would be legally manageable, but wedding photography seems more committed, perhaps more of a personal, artistic thing, and less an impersonal provision of goods/services. For that reason it seems more like involuntary servitude than merely asking someone to prepare a meal or a cake or something like that.

  190. 190.

    Violet

    April 2, 2015 at 1:59 pm

    @Mandalay: Speaking of death threats against someone for saying something:

    Giuliana Rancic is opening up about death threats she received after her infamous post-Oscars “patchouli oil” comments on Fashion Police, which ignited a firestorm of racism allegations.

    In a new interview with People, Rancic said, “I started very quickly getting death threats. People were sending me pictures of the barrel of a gun saying, ‘I’m going to kill your family.’ It was awful.”

    Rancic made the comment in a post-Oscars recap for E!’s Fashion Police, saying Disney star Zendaya Coleman’s dreadlocks probably smelled of “patchouli oil and weed.”

  191. 191.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Seriously? It was a tweet from some fool of a gym teacher. Pizza man could have repelled her by lobbing globs of dough and wielding peels.

    Whereas earlier you said:

    Every person who makes death threats to the asshole pizza people should get genital warts — it’s a stupid, counterproductive thing to do, and to the extent they can be identified, they should be prosecuted.

    What gives?

  192. 192.

    Gravenstone

    April 2, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    @Cain:

    Fucking anarchists.. why do they always show up for liberal outrage and not conservative ones?

    Because if they tried to show up for every episode of conservative hysteria, they’d drop from exhaustion.

  193. 193.

    Capri

    April 2, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    @Waldo: It will still allow corporations to refuse to pay for Obamacare-mandated birth control. That was always the original intent of the law.

  194. 194.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    @Mandalay: I’ve had morons threaten me online several times — during the Great PUMA War of ‘Aught-Eight, my (then) blog was featured on BreitbartTV before probably tens of viewers as an example of an Obot lunatic who must be stopped, and several knuckleheads plotted to dox me and post my personal info online on a PUMA loonies site. (They ended up posting the name and address of someone who was NOT me.)

    I was angry and annoyed, but not scared. These were Internet blowhards who would have pissed themselves if my fat boxers barked at them.

    @Cervantes: I don’t think it’s a contradiction. She should be prosecuted for making a threat, which is illegal. And the pizza peeps shouldn’t be in mortal fear of a Twitter big mouth. I doubt very much that they are; it’s all about the grift.

  195. 195.

    Mandalay

    April 2, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    @Violet: Your link is a great example of what bothers me. Here is one of the comments about her death threats:

    Death Threats are not that shocking since it just comes from anonymous posters who probably never leave their couches. ALTHOUGH, it always sounds good to tell people that you gotten death threats so they start to turn your way in sympathy.

    People just don’t find it a big deal that death threats get issued.

    Same thing here in the comments for the OP titled a thread “A Face Crying Out for A Fist“. Everyone dumped on the odious O’Keefe, but nobody mentioned how inappropriate it is to call for violence, even in jest, against someone who is merely irritating and odious at worst.

    Our tin foil hats are finely tuned to trap comments that are racist or homophobic or misogynistic. But calls for violence don’t make it past our antennas.

  196. 196.

    Mandalay

    April 2, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    They ended up posting the name and address of someone who was NOT me.

    And supposing that they had managed to post your actual address? Would you still have been “angry and annoyed, but not scared”? If so, you have much more faith in the goodness of man than me.

    Bear in mind that it takes 20 seconds for any nutjob in the country to obtain the address of that pizzeria.

    These were Internet blowhards who would have pissed themselves if my fat boxers barked at them.

    Anyone who makes anonymous threats online is unstable. It’s your boxers against their Uzi – good luck with that.

  197. 197.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I don’t think it’s a contradiction. She should be prosecuted for making a threat, which is illegal.

    OK, that’s what I had understood you to mean. (Clever, ain’t I?)

    And the pizza peeps shouldn’t be in mortal fear of a Twitter big mouth. I doubt very much that they are; it’s all about the grift.

    Well, the pizzeria, if that’s the word I want, is a family business. I think we can each imagine for ourselves how scary a threat seems when, for example, our own children might be at Ground Zero.

  198. 198.

    Irony Abounds

    April 2, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I don’t think the pizza place owners are sophisticated enough for it to be about the grift. Apparently the reporter just popped into the pizza place and asked the question, and the woman behind the counter was dumb enough to open her (pizza) pie hole and answer. Unfortunately this incident only provides a distraction from the mean-spirited law that was passed and gives the right wing outrage machine ammunition to spout its nonsense. And shame on anyone who threatened violence. Pressure from the business community was enough to move the Indiana legislature and its idiot Governor to take action, there was no need at all to create Christina martyrs in the process.

  199. 199.

    Cervantes

    April 2, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    @Irony Abounds:

    I don’t think the pizza place owners are sophisticated enough for it to be about the grift.

    That was my read.

    And shame on anyone who threatened violence.

    Can’t agree enough.

    (Have to go now.)

  200. 200.

    Betty Cracker

    April 2, 2015 at 2:53 pm

    @Mandalay: My guess is that most people who express controversial opinions get online threats. I’m not saying that’s a good thing; it’s not. But it seems to be a 21st century reality.

    I don’t have much faith in the “goodness of man,” but I do believe that 99.9999% of that sort of talk is lame macho posturing. It doesn’t scare me, and I’d bet a large pizza with mushrooms and extra cheese that the Indiana pizza shop assholes aren’t truly afraid either; they’re playing up their martyrdom for fun and profit.

  201. 201.

    jon

    April 2, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    I thought it was Firmly Established Fact that the existence of the internet and Public Discourse and Freedom of Speech made threats of violence and rape and such Not Worthy of Attention.

    Oh wait, it’s not a feminist or Social Justice Warrior? It’s a right wing business? Well, then it must be taken seriously at once.

    IOKIYAR x infinity

  202. 202.

    myiq2xu

    April 2, 2015 at 9:18 pm

    The Authoritarian Left has found a home here at Buffoon Juice. “Down with Thoughtcrime! Up with Conformity!”

  203. 203.

    Cervantes

    April 3, 2015 at 7:05 am

    @myiq2xu:

    May I ask a question? What on earth are you talking about?

    (OK, that was two questions.)

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