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Thursday Morning Open Thread

by Betty Cracker|  April 30, 20156:36 am| 70 Comments

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This is a Rangoon creeper vine that grows beside our garden gate:

rangoon

Its blooms have a lovely scent, and they are supposed to attract hummingbirds, but I haven’t seen any yet. “Rangoon creeper” sounds like a Bela Lugosi film.

Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 6:38 am

    Just in case there are any progressives left who support Rand Paul.

    (Reuters) – U.S. Senator Rand Paul, a Republican presidential hopeful, on Wednesday introduced a resolution to block new regulations on Internet service providers, saying they would “wrap the Internet in red tape.”

    The “net neutrality” rules, which are slated to take effect in June, are backed by the Obama administration and were passed by the Democratic majority of the Federal Communications Commission in February. AT&T Inc and wireless and cable trade associations are challenging them in court.

    Paul’s resolution, if adopted, would allow the Senate to fast-track a vote to establish that Congress disapproves of the FCC’s new rules and moves to nullify them.

    The move marks the most proactive position yet by Paul, a libertarian from Kentucky, on net neutrality, the principle that Internet providers should treat all Web traffic equally. The issue has grabbed national attention and prompted a record 4 million comments to the FCC, many of them from regular Americans calling to restrict Internet providers.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/29/us-usa-internet-neutrality-idUSKBN0NK21620150429

  2. 2.

    Betty Cracker

    April 30, 2015 at 6:43 am

    @Baud: Were there ever any progressives or liberals worthy of the label who supported Paul?

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 6:45 am

    @Baud: The Blue Blooded Libertarian is a very rare species. Most sightings turn out to be the Yellow Billed Grifter which is somewhat similar in appearance and has a call that is identical to the BBL but differs quite a bit in behavior.

  4. 4.

    TheMightyTrowel

    April 30, 2015 at 6:46 am

    @Betty Cracker: i mean there were always a few dude-brogressives who were

  5. 5.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 6:47 am

    @Betty Cracker: Very nice pic to lead the post Betty. Beautiful.

  6. 6.

    Mustang Bobby

    April 30, 2015 at 6:53 am

    “Rangoon creeper” sounds like a Bela Lugosi film.

    Or Little Shop of Horrors. “Feed me!”

  7. 7.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 6:55 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I was curious, so I googled. Here are some of the top hits.

    How Did Rand Paul Become a Liberal Hero?, which mentions Michael Lux, co-founder of Progressive Strategies, a political consulting firm, and David Sirota, as saying positive things about Paul.


    I’m a Liberal Democrat. I’m Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why.
    , by H.A. Goodman.


    Liberals should proudly cheer on Rand Paul
    , by David Sirota.

    So the answer appears to be no, no one worth the name supports Rand Paul. In fact, most of the hits I got were articles saying why it was stupid for progressives to support Rand.

    It’s comforting to know that Rand’s support among the left is just as shallow as his support among Republicans.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 6:55 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I tried to answer your question with too many links and am now in moderation.

  9. 9.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 6:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    To be fair, being anti-regulation is pretty libertarian. No matter what Paul actually talks about on the stump, the two greatest oppressors of freedom for libertarians are taxes and regulation. Anyone who thinks a Paul presidency would be about anything else is a fool.

  10. 10.

    Elmo

    April 30, 2015 at 7:10 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: clapclapclapclap

  11. 11.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 7:11 am

    @Baud: Rand Paul is not against regulation. He is against regulation he doesn’t like. Which makes him just like everybody else.

  12. 12.

    Major Major Major Major

    April 30, 2015 at 7:13 am

    Can’t sleep, bed’s on fire.

    Not literally obviously. But I’ll just double up on the shameless plug: #6 is up for my serial The Fish

  13. 13.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 7:14 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    True.

  14. 14.

    Mustang Bobby

    April 30, 2015 at 7:17 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yeah, he’s all for freedom except for women and their ladybits and Teh Gayz with their marryin’ each other. Ick.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 7:17 am

    Another interesting story

    Now, Apple — the world’s biggest public company with a market value of over $750 billion — may be forced to pay up to 10 years worth of back taxes to Ireland, according to a regulatory filing made by the company on Tuesday. Apple noted the amount could be “material,” though said it couldn’t estimate the level.
    ….
    The European Union in June 2014 opened an investigation into Apple’s tax practices in Ireland. At the time, the group said it was examining whether Apple’s tax rate — about 2 percent, which is far less than the standard 12.5 percent corporate tax — amounted to illegal state aid from Ireland. Apple has said it obtained the better rate through negotiations with the Irish government.

    http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-may-owe-a-lot-of-back-taxes-in-ireland/

  16. 16.

    Matt McIrvin

    April 30, 2015 at 7:23 am

    @Betty Cracker: I think most of them were Ron Paul fans who basically projected their own antiwar, anti-imperialist attitudes onto Ron Paul because in some election cycle he was most prominent candidate daring to say antiwar things. They’d politely ignore all the crazy, extreme-right-wing and racist stuff Ron Paul was into because they saw this as issue 1.

    Then they tried to transfer all those feelings about the father onto the son. But Rand Paul has larger ambitions than Ron, so he has to act like an ordinary Republican more of the time, which makes it harder.

  17. 17.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 7:24 am

    Offered with out comment:

    Greek court gives dead man six-month suspended jail sentence

    and

    New Zealand man accused of pulling women’s teeth out with pliers

  18. 18.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    April 30, 2015 at 7:25 am

    Thanks to a couple of people here (I think they were Violet and Water Girl, but I’m not going back to check) I am running a promotion at my Kickstarter: make a pledge before the end of Monday and receive access to one of my stories, “Peaceful, Colorado.” Those who have already signed on will also receive it.

  19. 19.

    Valdivia

    April 30, 2015 at 7:32 am

    My joy of the morning was seeing Javad Zarif own Tom Cotton after he went on Twitter yesterday to declare himself the mas macho of all US Senators.

    Serious diplomacy, not macho personal smear, is what we need. Congrats on Ur new born. May U and Ur family enjoy him in peace .@SenTomCotton— Javad Zarif (@JZarif) April 30, 2015

  20. 20.

    ThresherK

    April 30, 2015 at 7:33 am

    @Baud: From the Reuters:

    The issue has grabbed national attention and prompted a record 4 million comments to the FCC, many of them from regular Americans calling to restrict Internet providers.

    Reuters is a better agency than most, but I gotta fault them for this hanging chad of a sentence. There are two sides to the issue and this doesn’t make clear what side “many regular Americans” are taking with their comments to the FCC.

    And if I were Rand Paul, this would be the way I’d like net neutrality described: “Even the accurate Reuters news service says it’s restricting internet providers!”

  21. 21.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 7:37 am

    @Valdivia:

    I can’t get past the “Ur.”

  22. 22.

    Valdivia

    April 30, 2015 at 7:38 am

    @Baud:
    I think it was only yesterday that our Village betters were telling us how Rand! was going to get up to 25% of the black vote because of his commitment to prison reform. Then he comes out with his ‘absent fathers’ routine re Baltimore. His charade could only be sustained in a vacuum where real life events don’t interfere.

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    exactly. There are some regulations he likes, mostly having to do with womyn parts and the rest of the GOP agenda.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 7:39 am

    @ThresherK:

    I like the “regular Americans.”

  24. 24.

    Valdivia

    April 30, 2015 at 7:41 am

    @Baud:

    :)

    As a language nerd I have a hard time too but after seething for hours last night after seeing Cotton’s tweets (which were really schoolyard level idiocy) I was really glad to see him answer back in this way.

    There’s a non-twitter version of Cotton’s idiocy here.

  25. 25.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 7:41 am

    @Valdivia:

    Was it our Village betters? I thought it was the Rand camp making that claim?

  26. 26.

    Mustang Bobby

    April 30, 2015 at 7:43 am

    @Valdivia: Javad Zarif is a kinder person than me. My response would have been, “Yip yah, your dick works.”

  27. 27.

    ThresherK

    April 30, 2015 at 7:44 am

    @Baud: Well, not everyone can be as American as Mitt Romney’s one-time in-law ordinary Michigan housewife Terry Rakolta.

    But I tries mah best.

  28. 28.

    debbie

    April 30, 2015 at 7:48 am

    @Baud:

    Has the Celtic Tiger changed the rules in mid-course?

  29. 29.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 7:50 am

    @Baud: I am not a “regular American”. I haven’t had a normal bowel movement in years.

  30. 30.

    debbie

    April 30, 2015 at 7:51 am

    @Mustang Bobby:

    Or my favorite: “The bigger the swagger, the smaller the dick.”

  31. 31.

    Valdivia

    April 30, 2015 at 7:54 am

    @Baud:

    the betters part was utterly sarcastic ;)

    I am sure I saw a slew of think pieces this past summer & fall about the Libertarian moment (NYT), how Rand was the most fascinating politician (Time) and both of them touting how Rand actually went to Howard U to talk about his prison reform ideas. As you know the Village is always utterly credulous and dying to find a Republican they can promote.

    @Mustang Bobby:
    Totally agree. Last night I was my own version of Luther the anger translator about this.
    What I found funny is that Zarif just called him out on the macho thing. Cotton’s utter immaturity came across loud and clear in all his tweets, but most of all, what one could see is that the only thing he knows is to posture and call attention to the fact that he was a soldier. He pretty much called Zarif a coward for not fighting in the Iran-Iraq war (something that the extremists in Iran do too according to the article I linked to above. Once again proving Cotton has more in common with their interests than he does with those of the US)

  32. 32.

    rlrr

    April 30, 2015 at 7:56 am

    “Summers in Rangoon…”

  33. 33.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 7:56 am

    @debbie:

    The article suggests that the EU may be changing the rules for them.

  34. 34.

    Mustang Bobby

    April 30, 2015 at 7:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Did you hear about the constipated engineer? He worked it out with a slide rule. [rimshot]

  35. 35.

    ThresherK

    April 30, 2015 at 7:57 am

    Hey, I’m looking for a new carry case for my laptop (Dell 14″ with a battery bump out the back) after my wife’s cat peed in my old one.

    My interest is in something in a messenger-bag or backpack which will really do the job of securing my laptop while I’m riding my bicycle or motorcycle.

    Any pointers?

    The old model was some ridiculously overbuilt thing from a famous name I picked up on clearance which would protect a laptop when climbing the Matterhorn. My last-ditch effort, after all the regular things, is to throw it in the washing machine.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 8:01 am

    @ThresherK:

    My interest is in something in a messenger-bag or backpack which will really do the job of securing my laptop while I’m riding my bicycle or motorcycle keeping the cat from using it as a litter box.

    Priorities, man.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    April 30, 2015 at 8:02 am

    @Valdivia: I know that Bill Maher has touted Rand, but Maher is a libertarian himself, so that make sense.

  38. 38.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2015 at 8:10 am

    @ThresherK:

    “Even the accurate Reuters news service says it’s restricting internet providers!”

    From what I overhear, I think most Americans would be unequivocally in favor of restricting internet providers — with ropes, chains, and duct tape, preferably.

  39. 39.

    ThresherK

    April 30, 2015 at 8:11 am

    @Baud: Those priorities are already being addressed, the management can assure you.

  40. 40.

    different-church-lady

    April 30, 2015 at 8:12 am

    “Rangoon creeper” sounds like a Bela Lugosi film nickname for a GOP presidential candidate.

  41. 41.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 8:14 am

    Texas is out doing itself. Again.

    TX Gov Orders State Guard to Monitor Possible Military Takeover of Texas

    “It is important that Texans know their safety, constitutional rights, private property rights and civil liberties will not be infringed,” Abbott wrote. “By monitoring the Operation on a continual basis, the State Guard will facilitate communications between my office and the commanders of the Operation to ensure that adequate measures are in place to protect Texans.”

    Apparently, Texas is not too large to be an insane asylum.

  42. 42.

    Germy Shoemangler

    April 30, 2015 at 8:14 am

    Calling the cable company:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yxpw-Lqg8A

    This was similar to my own experience, except for the murder/suicide

  43. 43.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 8:16 am

    @ThresherK:

    My last-ditch effort, after all the regular things, is to throw it in the washing machine.

    You’d be better off throwing it in a fire.

  44. 44.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2015 at 8:22 am

    Rangoon creeper

    An artifact of another age, much as Peking duck is.

  45. 45.

    Peale

    April 30, 2015 at 8:29 am

    @Valdivia: is it just me or does that article blather into speculation on potential responses that looks an awful lot like their horse race coverage…only now we’re horse racing Iran.

    Jesus…maybe what he’ll say next will make him more popular with the fruit seller constituency…this is good news for Javad Zarif.

  46. 46.

    NotMax

    April 30, 2015 at 8:29 am

    @ThresherKBest carrying bag for a laptop (though not labeled as such) I ever stumbled upon was in the camera department at Kmart. Padded, light and enough room for the laptop and any accoutrements one might need. Same type was also in their luggage aisle.

  47. 47.

    debbie

    April 30, 2015 at 8:31 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It didn’t take Greg Abbott very long to show his true self, did it?

  48. 48.

    Valdivia

    April 30, 2015 at 8:37 am

    @Peale:

    yes I thought that too. Maybe the extremist there will do this, and maybe they will do that. I liked the article only because it did give a sense of the tensions within the Iranian system and gave a summary of the Cotton idiocy in article form. I think the New Yorker article it mentions is probably the better source on Zarif though.

    @Baud: yeah I had forgotten about him. And I am sure the Sunday shows were also full of pundits echoing this Rand! has cross-aisle appeal but sicne I never watch them I couldn’t link to any!

  49. 49.

    Cervantes

    April 30, 2015 at 8:38 am

    @Valdivia:

    Tom Cotton, showing us all how not to use Twitter.

  50. 50.

    Punchy

    April 30, 2015 at 8:45 am

    Where are the crabs in that Rangoon?

  51. 51.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 8:49 am

    @debbie: In his defense, he is pandering to his constituency. It IS Texas after all.

  52. 52.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2015 at 8:55 am

    @Baud:

    where are all the dudebros?

  53. 53.

    Southern Beale

    April 30, 2015 at 9:00 am

    Tom Cotton called the Iranian foreign minister a coward on Twitter. Because under the Tea Party, the “world’s greatest deliberative body” is now nothing more than a schoolyard full of bullies, pigtail-pullers and name-callers. Slow clap, Teanuts.

  54. 54.

    rikyrah

    April 30, 2015 at 9:01 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Rand Paul is not against regulation. He is against regulation he doesn’t like. Which makes him just like everybody else.

    So true. He’s all in favor of regulation that would have folks all up in my uterus. He has absolutely NO PROBLEM with those kinds of regulations.

  55. 55.

    chopper

    April 30, 2015 at 9:09 am

    @ThresherK:

    first go buy a jug of nature’s miracle and soak the bag in a bucket of it. you may save the thing.

  56. 56.

    ThresherK

    April 30, 2015 at 9:10 am

    @NotMax: A camera bag, by design? Hmmm.

    @OzarkHillbilly: I have another, smaller, bag similarly afflicted (also a waterproof synthetic with some padding, non-leather & non-canvas) which has done promisingly by this method.

  57. 57.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 30, 2015 at 9:19 am

    @ThresherK: I had a tent that my cat found. The fire treatment worked with perfection.

    “Fire is the surest disinfectant.”

  58. 58.

    ThresherK

    April 30, 2015 at 9:21 am

    @chopper: “Just for Cat Pee” version, I take it. And the gallon size?

  59. 59.

    Germy Shoemangler

    April 30, 2015 at 9:45 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: You’d be better off throwing it in a fire.

    The carry case or the cat?

  60. 60.

    Germy Shoemangler

    April 30, 2015 at 9:47 am

    @ThresherK:

    Hey, I’m looking for a new carry case for my laptop (Dell 14″ with a battery bump out the back) after my wife’s cat peed in my old one.

    My wife’s cat … I’ve found myself using the same terminology. Whenever people visit and find her ruling the roost, I always refer to her as my wife’s cat.

    But then after the guests are gone and I’m getting the full purr and kneed treatment, she’s my little girl.

  61. 61.

    ThresherK

    April 30, 2015 at 9:55 am

    @Germy Shoemangler: Nooooo, this one is a mama’s boy by any definintion of the term.

    He’s very jealous of my relationship with my wife (even though we were together 17 years before he was born). When she gets home from work he ups on his hinders, front paws reaching at her like a two-year-old trying to hug your knee. He even does this when she’s on the phone! When she settles down in her chair or to sleep he is always there. Any time we begin talking he takes it as a signal to get closer to her than I am.

    My cat is attached to me but not to this degree. (Then again, my second cat before this, now there was a daddy’s little girl.)

  62. 62.

    Germy Shoemangler

    April 30, 2015 at 10:05 am

    @ThresherK: I can relate. Our cat will stare at my wife while she head bumps me, purrs and kneads me.

    She’s basically telling my wife “Back off, bitch. He’s mine”

  63. 63.

    Tenar Darell

    April 30, 2015 at 10:17 am

    @ThresherK: I have no idea about preventing kitties from peeing in the bag, but I seriously love my two moopshop.com bags. Mine are both made of waxed canvas and lined with recycled bottle fabric with one or two leather bits. They’d probably clean easier than what you’ve got now. They don’t have chest straps though.

  64. 64.

    Gvg

    April 30, 2015 at 10:21 am

    Try washing the carry bag using carpet cleaner fluid for removing pet odors.

  65. 65.

    boatboy_srq

    April 30, 2015 at 10:49 am

    @different-church-lady: That’s Reagan Creeper, a varietal of Rangoon creeper spawned in Liberty U’s biology department.

  66. 66.

    boatboy_srq

    April 30, 2015 at 11:04 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: The last Yellow-Billed Grifter I saw had just taken over a Pinkslipped Wingnut’s nest. The Wingnut – true to form – was chirping loudly (from a safe distance). I can never remember if Grifters raise Wingnut chicks as their own, or simply knock the eggs to the ground. Moran Bird watching can be so entertaining.

    @Mustang Bobby: Chris Christie is beginning to look like plant food to me…

    @ThresherK: REI has some good choices. There’s an Osprey that looks good for how you’ll use it.

  67. 67.

    chopper

    April 30, 2015 at 11:35 am

    @ThresherK:

    I dunno if you’d need a gallon, but you’re better off using a good amount. and hell, it never hurts to have the stuff around for cleaning up cat barf and what not else.

  68. 68.

    Steeplejack

    April 30, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    @ThresherK:

    I’ve had good luck with cheapo Case Logic bags from Micro Center. Good protection, look pretty nice. Briefcase here, backpack here. (Neither is the exact model I have; these are just a starting point.)

  69. 69.

    Tree With Water

    April 30, 2015 at 6:03 pm

    I held to three criteria when I planted my new garden- that it be drought tolerant, bird/bee/and butterfly friendly, and low maintenance. Everything was finally planted just a few weeks ago, and the varieties of critters that have already made an appearance continues to increase. Already some mourning dove-looking birds peck away at the new soil like they’re chowing down at a hofsbrau. When I spook them they’ll fly away a short distance, perch on a wire or fence, and give me the snake eye for disturbing their meals. I’ve got to saying to them, “hey, I live here too, you know”.

  70. 70.

    Plantsmantx

    April 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    Its blooms have a lovely scent

    They smell like Kool-Aid to me.

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