I’ve noticed a bumper crop of foals in nearby hoss country this year. Here’s one handsome specimen and mama:
Maybe someday he or she will grow up to be American Pharaoh, who as of today has two legs on the triple crown.
Anyhoo, we had lunch today near this old courthouse: 
It was featured in an Elvis Presley movie in 1962: “Follow That Dream.”
As you can imagine, the local kids congregated around the set when that was being filmed. The arrival of Elvis was the biggest thing to happen in that part of the world since, I dunno, Hernando de Soto.
My mom was among the kids loitering around the courthouse. She was too young back then to be in Elvis’ wheelhouse, but there was nothing else to do, so she tagged along with the older girls who were hoping to catch a glimpse of Elvis.
Many years later, she told me about when Elvis actually showed up. There was a rope line holding the local riffraff back, and Elvis ambled over and graciously spoke a few words to the smitten crowd. Then he reached across the rope and tousled my mom’s hair!
Not very many years later, my mom would meet my dad and decide that boys didn’t have cooties after all. But she didn’t get the Elvis craze at the time and was annoyed when everyone in town wanted to rub her head to commune with The King.
Flash forward to 2015: hubby and I had lunch at a restaurant near the courthouse today. I wasn’t trying to listen in, but people at a nearby table, who looked plenty old enough to have participated in the Elvis sighting, were talking about “slacks” and “dungarees.”
It occurred to me that virtually everyone in the US who uses those terms is also collecting Social Security. I’m not sure how those words fell out of modern favor or why, but in 20 years, no one will know what they mean without consulting a dictionary. I think. Does this match your experience?
No real point to all of this. Please discuss whatever.
SiubhanDuinne
I was in junior high when Elvis became a Thing. Because I was a classical music nerd then (as now), it took me a shamefully long time to acknowledge his talent and contributions. I’ve never been a huge Elvis fan by any means, but I do recognize his place in American music.
And yes, I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when I heard of his death. So I guess he was slightly more iconic to me than I’d like to admit.
Edit: I still say “slacks” and didn’t realize it was a signifier of old age. OTOH, I’m not sure I’ve ever used the word “dungarees.”
NotMax
While that would be correct for most any other case, the horse’s name is spelled American Pharoah.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
I had a pretty good bike ride, only to discover halfway through that the key that was missing from my key ring was the key for my bike lock, so I was unable to go to the yarn store, or the used bookstore that has cats, or even get an iced tea, because I was not going to leave my bike unlocked and unattended in North Hollywood for even a nanosecond. D’oh!
My mom was disappointed to see so few horses when we drove from Naples to Orlando via central Florida. Lots of grass-eating cattle, though.
Germy Shoemangler
I’ve met a few oldsters (people who were teenagers circa 1957-61) and one thing I notice: they don’t use their living rooms. They call them “formal living rooms” and keep them unoccupied. If there’s a fireplace in the living room, they won’t use it. They prefer, instead “the family room” or “the rec room” which is a more casual spot. I think teenagers in the late ’50s were given the rec room to play their records and dance (or make out) with each other, while the old folks of that era stayed in the stuffy, formal living room.
Just something I’ve noticed. YMMV.
Not Adding Much to the Community
Pertinent.
jeffreyw
Cooties!
Corner Stone
I use slacks or pants as the same thing, but jeans are denim “blue jeans” when I’m talking about things I wear. When telling my son to put on some pants it could mean anything that goes from waist to shoe level.
I have never, and will never, use the term dungaree.
Brachiator
“Mad Max, Fury Road” explodes off the screen. Hell yes, if you like this kind of movie. A tip. Get your popcorn and settle in at least during the credits. The movie starts fast and rarely stops. At the end of the film, try to stay for the first part of the closing credits. The name of Charlize Theron’s home tribe is a hoot, as are some of the character names.
It’s not just that the action is incredibly well done, it’s that the action and drama is constructed elegantly. And there are honest surprises, not just shocks. The movie is a little long, but very satisfying.
Have a lovely day, and may you always be chrome and shiny.
Germy Shoemangler
Open thread: I remember reading about some 18th century gentlemen trading insults. Somehow the topic became how they imagined the other would meet his end:
“You will die of a pox, sir, or on the gallows.”
“That depends, sir, on whether I embrace your mistress or your principles.”
Those were the days!
Mike in NC
Friends down the street just left on a 5 week road trip that will take them to Atlanta, Nashville (Elvis fans), New Orleans, San Antonio, Las Vegas, and ultimately San Diego. They do this every few years to link up with kids and grandchildren. Not sure if I’d have the stamina to be away from home for more than a week.
Tree With Water
My theory: until the dirty stinking hippies began fucking everything up in the 1960’s by transforming Levi’s into a fashion statement, denim was strictly deemed the uniform of the abjectly poor. The term ‘jeans’ was considered a pejorative in a sense, ‘slacks’ denoting a borderline between economic classes.
Germy Shoemangler
They’re making a movie about the day Elvis met Nixon. Michael Shannon plays Elvis and Kevin Spacey plays Nixon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_%26_Nixon
NotMax
@Germy Shoemangler
All that was missing from those living rooms were stanchions with red velvet ropes to limit access.
The worst was the clear plastic slipcovers on the furniture, the lampshades, etc.
There will always be pockets of regional usage. Still are places where “frigidaire” or “icebox” is used to mean any refrigerator, for example.
Mike in NC
@Corner Stone: Dungarees was a term I never heard outside of Boston in the 60s-70s, except in the Navy to describe sailors’ working dress.
bg
Is that the courthouse in Inverness?
MattF
The Google ngram viewer gives a graphical view of the rise and fall of different words. Here’s dungarees vs. jeans. You’ll note that ‘jeans’ has always been more popular than ‘dungarees’, although there was a moment in 1944 when they were almost equal.
Big ole hound
As a real old pre boomer New Englander, slacks were/are ladies pants or men’s dress trousers and dungarees were heavy work pants but not overalls, kinda like canvas pants usually brown or tan.
Germy Shoemangler
@NotMax:
Yes! I remember the plastic…
Germy Shoemangler
@MattF: I remember Gene Vincent singing about a girl in the red blue jeans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4_5593-skQ
Tree With Water
@Germy Shoemangler: Spacey as Nixon is almost spooky to think about, in an awesome sort of way. I’d pay just to see Spacey imitating the Trickster talking to the presidential portraits as the Watergate walls closed in.* I’d really enjoy that.
*(good times).
Brachiator
@Germy Shoemangler: For some families, the living room was where you received important visitors, sales people insurance agents, people who generally would not be invited in to other parts of the house. There is a joke in some movies and tv shows that kids are never allowed to sit on the furniture, and sometimes the furniture would be covered in plastic or some other material, discouraging sitting.
In some ways, maybe more in the South and East Coast, this mimics an English country or main home. There is for the upper classes especially a sitting room or other designated room where visitors are received, separate from where the family regularly hangs out.
Growing up, we would rarely go through the front room to see close friends. We would enter through a garage door, a door to a den, a back door, etc.
Ruckus
@Tree With Water:
I remember in my younger days (a long, long time ago, in a world far, far away) that many clubs would not allow you to wear Levis. And as denim hadn’t really made much of an inroad to Levi yet it pretty much meant slacks. This in trendy southern CA.
I find that my use of language is very time oriented. Most of the guys I work with are around 30 and have never even heard a lot of the words that I use. I’m regularly having to explain the meaning or find another word that they have heard before. Usage changes a lot over a very few decades Stephen Fry did a video about it.
Cervantes
@bg:
That’s the one, yes.
SiubhanDuinne
@SiubhanDuinne:
@Corner Stone:
I do vaguely remember a pop tune called “Dungaree Doll,” which the fading Eddie Fisher sang right about the time Elvis was beginning to shake and pivot his way into superstardom. Coincidence?
NotMax
Regarding the evolution of language, one favorite example is that the definition of “silly” at one time was “pious”.
Germy Shoemangler
Not many people know Elvis had a subtle and deep sense of humor. He watched “Dr. Strangelove” twice in one sitting when it came out (he had rented out a theater for himself and his buddies and girlfriends). After it was over the first time, he asked the projectionist to play it again. He loved Peter Sellers.
He also loved Monty Python and said his favorite Elvis impersonator was Andy Kaufman.
These are facts that would probably leave some of his hardcore fans a bit puzzled.
SiubhanDuinne
@Germy Shoemangler:
Kind of like a green blackboard.
Brachiator
@Tree With Water: Don’t think so. Jeans were always the pants of cowboys, prospectors, working men. Later they became the official clothes of teens, especially rebels and juvenile delinquents. The Fonz in Happy Days is a good approximation of this. Also beatniks. The Beatles wore jeans before they got respectable and made Mod.
Cervantes
@efgoldman:
Wasn’t she uncomfortable?
Ruckus
@Mike in NC:
Don’t recall hearing people use the word dungaree before I wore them in the navy. I’d heard it and knew what they were, primarily because I’d seen pics of my dad in the navy (WWII) in them.
Tree With Water
@Ruckus: Language is telling. Remember that infamous murder case involving that Green Beret doctor who slaughtered his family (on an army base) a year or so after the Manson Family struck? I knew he was guilty upon hearing that the words “acid is groovy” was found scrawled on a wall, and he claimed to have been attacked by long hairs. No one- and I mean no one- was using the term “groovy” by 1970, especially acid heads.
shell
‘Dungarees’ were what the elders disparagingly called them when we girls were finally allowed to wear pants to school. Pants, yes, but not the dreaded dungarees.
mai naem mobile
I just saw three black military helicopters land at the airport in Phoenix. I’m scared .iis Jade Helm coming here to take us over? Is the Kenyan muslin socialist taking us over? are we going to be sent to reeducation camps? Help! Help!
NotMax
@efgoldman
Custom made to fit in all the right places and flatter her figure, no doubt. :)
Germy Shoemangler
@SiubhanDuinne: exactly!
I was born in the late fifties. So my earliest memories are of spending time in places and interacting with objects and furniture from the ’40s and before. My sense is that everything was more… solid then. Things were SOLID wood and metal, built to last. I have an old desk that dates back to the early 20th century. We can barely lift it!
I remember pencil sharpeners and school desks and a million little everyday objects that were solid and well-built.
Whatever happened to shoe horns? And do people wear rubbers over their shoes when it rains anymore?
MattF
@mai naem mobile: Well, it’s about time. Jeez Louise, the FEMA goons have been promising a takeover for months now.
pete
I think that Tom Petty also visited the “Follow that Dream” set as a youngster
Germy Shoemangler
@Tree With Water: He was on the Dick Cavett show, wasn’t he. And gave Cavett the creeps?
Davebo
@Corner Stone:
You were never in the Navy! And I’m too young for social security.
NotMax
@Germy Shoemangler
Heaven forfend! Galoshes.
:)
(Except for dyed in the wool Republicans, who use bread bags.)
Tree With Water
@Germy Shoemangler: OK, someone has to say it: you’re entering grandpa Simpson territory.
Germy Shoemangler
@NotMax: When I was a kid, galoshes were the big rain boots you wore. Rubbers were the things you stretched over your shoes to keep them dry, if it wasn’t raining too much.
Germy Shoemangler
@Tree With Water: I admit it freely.
Although sometimes I think I am that other old dude, the one who got frozen briefly in Apu’s store, and then emerged thinking he was in the far future. He saw some moon pies for sale and said “What a wonderful time to be alive!”
scav
@Germy Shoemangler: Alas! Ours were merely rain boots, but at least we had the frisson of calling our umbrellas bumbershoots.
NotMax
@Germy Shoemangler
Back in kiddie times, the terms rubbers and galoshes were interchangeable.
Rain boots were imaginatively called “boots.”
Mike in NC
@Germy Shoemangler: Haven’t seen rubber overshoes in public in decades, but people working in the deli at our local supermarket often wear them due to slick floors.
Germy Shoemangler
In elementary school, we kept our coats in the “cloak room” and our desks were so old they had inkwells (that we didn’t use)
jl
@Big ole hound: Wiki says dungarees can mean either blue jeans or bib overalls or navy work uniform. At first I confused dungarees with with cullottes, culottes, cutlets…? Whatever…
I’ve heard the term a few times and knew it meant some kind of clothing I would unlikely see or wear and that was enough for me. I’m not that much younger than Cracker. Maybe it’s a regional thing.
Edit: for some reason I know what ‘spats’, and ‘snood’ mean. Don’t think I’ve seen either in real life.
NotMax
@Germy Shoemangler
Ditto except that we did use the inkwells, to fill fountain pens.
Baud
In 20 years we’ll all be wearing dresses thanks to the feminization of America. /wingnut
01jack
@Germy Shoemangler: You were there, too? First Grade with Sister Trinita?
NotMax
@NotMax
Kids today would say, “Cool! Cupholders!”
Hungry Joe
When I was a kid we never hung around in the living rooms, ours or our friends’. Simply wasn’t allowed.
Front doors opened to the living room, and the dining room was set off to one side. Usually there was a swinging door that led to the kitchen. Guests NEVER went through that door, or into any other part of the house but a guest bathroom. (I’m talking middle/upper-middle class.)
This floor plan doesn’t fit modern, more casual lifestyles. We live in an older (1926) house, and as soon as dinner guests enter they head for the kitchen, where it can get pretty crowded. I’ve all but given up saying, “Should we go sit in the living room?” and leaning, maybe even taking a step or two in that direction, because no one pays any attention to me. Everybody stays in the kitchen, maybe helps with the last few details of dinner, serves him or herself, then carries a plate into the dining room. The dog and the cats have the living room pretty much to themselves unless and until, after dinner, I can finally lure people in there.
scav
@efgoldman: The’re a couple there I recognize, although we didn’t do the full filigree. Desks did just sort of accumulate of various ages, some with inkwells, some with the swoopy 50s lines, most of them squeaky.
NotMax
@Hungry Joe
“Port and cigars in the parlor, sir.”
Tree With Water
@Baud: If it can happen in Scotland, it can happen anywhere.
scav
@Baud: Skirt and Shirt mean the same thing if you go back far enough, so maybe it’d just be a return to our roots. Wandering about in short garments, swinging axes at things.
Tripod
I barely remember Elvis dying. My parents saw him in 71.
My Mom’s people referred to it as the parlor. At some point in American history, it was where you laid out the dead. I think that was where the reverence was handed down from, but seeing a corpse in house was probably a generation removed from my Grandmother.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
Sat in those before. But they were on the way out as I hit jr high. Probably because a lot of the schools I attended in CA in the 50s/60s were not all that old, given the growth there after WWII.
Ruckus
@NotMax:
OK, I first saw that as pot and cigars, and wondered who would smoke a cigar?
smintheus
@Germy Shoemangler: Formal living rooms back in the day were for company, and otherwise almost never used, in many households. A holdover from the days of front parlors.
NotMax
@efgoldman
Prominent on the front of the teacher’s desk were two large glass canisters of ink: one blue, the other red.
And can remember being called in from recess by way of a live person waving a bell.
We were so frugal that when the plastic cartridge got down below a quarter filled, would trudge to the water fountain and fill it up, getting two uses out of one cartridge.
(Laundry tip: For ink stains, soak the stained area in whole milk.)
Hungry Joe
@NotMax: Port and cigars? Not at all — that was (is?) upper-class stuff.
ThresherK
@Germy Shoemangler: You mean Jasper?
Really, for all the other stuff I got nothing. My grandparents’ houses are long gone now, and I barely remember them. We have a few pieces of solid furniture from them because of the luck of lving in the larges places.
Except for the dining room set, which we gave to my nephew o nthe last move. It’ll be a story for us to tell him sometime.
muddy
@scav: I remember how excited I got when researching Roman buildings and realized that atrium is from the root ater, meaning black. An atrium is a vastly enlarged and prettified smoke hole of a hut. Love dat.
NotMax
@efgoldman
Friend of mine used to repair printers and copiers. After I mentioned the milk trick, he began using milk on a swab to clean the devices, and swore nothing he’d ever tried before worked as well.
muddy
@Germy Shoemangler: My dad actually got in trouble in school for dipping a girl’s pigtail in an inkwell. 1920s. His mother never let him forget.
SiubhanDuinne
@Germy Shoemangler:
I’m, at a guess, 15-20 years older than you (b. 1942). And yes, desks in my classrooms had inkwells. They were bolted to the floor with attractive curlicued wrought iron supports, and had wooden tops that lifted up to hold notebooks and pens (with nibs!) Most of them had initials and other innocent graffiti carved in the wood.
Every classroom had a portrait of George Washington on one wall, Abraham Lincoln on another, and a huge clock that noisily ticked off the seconds on a third.
I would recognize the aroma of those classrooms anywhere on the planet. Chalk dust, steamy woolen mittens drying on a hot radiator, and the faintest smell of urine and disinfectant wafting in from the boys’ room next door.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Germy Shoemangler: I got my uncle an Xmas ornament with that photo in a frame. I still get emails from the Yorba Linda store where I ordered it.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
And it was a mark of honor to be chosen to clean the erasers.
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
Teacher’s Pet! Teacher’s Pet!
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Hungry Joe: Now it’s weed and sherry in that crowd I think.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Also too, those ubiquitous placards displaying examples of the alphabet in script along the walls.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
Three more days until I stop pestering everyone about the Kickstarter. Until then (8:07 pm CDT Tuesday), you can still get in on it. Becoming Phoebe is going to end up as a massive bestseller and get turned into a blockbuster movie, and you can say that you were in on the ground floor.
God, I can’t wait until this is over. I hate pitching things.
Mike in NC
@SiubhanDuinne: Fortunately I won’t be around in 100 years when every classroom will have a portrait of Saint Reagan on one wall and President Cruz on the other. Teachers will be non-union and making $10 an hour as they wait to go to work at their other two jobs (AKA living the American Dream).
NotMax
efgoldman
Find I can fit a lot more on my bracers. (Once a rebel, always a rebel.)
:)
Shana
@NotMax: No, no, no. Gentlemen stayed at the dining table for their port and cigars while the ladies retired to the drawing room. What were you thinking?
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
One of my tricks for falling asleep when I am feeling a wee mite insomniac-ish, is to trace in my mind, very slowly, the cursive alphabet, capitals and lower-case letters alike, just as it was in those long horizontal posters above the blackboards.
On a good night, I can’t get past that weird “G.”
scav
@NotMax: There’s one! Braces, Bracers (?) or Suspenders? Varies regionally or over time?
raven
Got here at 4 and fished till 8. I only caught one small blue but the latex glove worked well and that should make for a good week on the water. It’s certainly different than the gulf as you can see. Pretty enough water but the sand isn’t the sugar white. The little house is fine but it’s pretty close to the road and there is a lot of traffic so that’s an issue. All-in-all it looks good except for the main drag that is a zoo with jar heads and dudes from Fayettnam.
Tenar Darell
Red Shoes is on TCM.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: My mother’s handwriting – former third grade teacher that she is – exactly matches those models. You would be stunned.
Gin & Tonic
@raven: Place like that looks pretty enough it almost doesn’t matter if you catch anything.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
You know, I was in public school from 1947-56 (K-8) and 1956-70 (high school). I don’t remember EVER participating in prayer as part of the school curriculum. We did have the option of either “Religious Ed” or “Civics” every Friday morning in elementary school. For RE we got to take a bus to a nearby church for an hour of instruction, which was primarily memorizing the books of the Old and New Testaments in sequence. That’s what I chose: out of the classroom, on the bus, learning all the lyrics to “99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall,” etc.
In high school freshman English we studied a lot of Greek and Roman mythology and big chunks of the Bible — but as literature, not theology. That would have been, probably, six or seven years before Madalyn Murray O’Hair won her SCOTUS case. And anyhow, we didn’t pray in public school.
EDIT: In fact, the only communal prayer in public school was when I lived in Canada (Grade 6) and every day started with “God Save the Queen” and prayers. Never in Oak Park, Illinois.
Omnes Omnibus
@raven: Where did you go?
Brachiator
@SiubhanDuinne: One aroma I remember are the fumes coming off mimeograph paper. I don’t think you could explain this stuff to today’s school kids.
raven
@Omnes Omnibus: We’re at Topsail Island near Wilmington and LilBrit! My wife came here for years as a youngin.
raven
They have a swing bridge here!
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@raven: Glad to hear about the fishing and the glove worked well Maybe the jarheads will go away.
ETA: I would be more okay with traffic noise with a swing bridge. But I’m a gulf side girl to the bone. (<- which I'm really glad I proofread before posting.)
Tree With Water
@Brachiator: I don’t think they’d listen if you could. In fact, I’m pretty sure they’d think you were crazy.
Shana
@Brachiator: There’s a scene in one of those movies from the 80s (Fast Times, 16 Candles?) where the class has papers handed out to them and everyone smells the pages.
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): There not near where we are. There is a pier and a bunch of joints right as you come on the island. They need to enjoy themselves!
Nicole
@NotMax: Anecdote about the name- Zayat’s stables opens up naming their horses to fans, and “American Pharoah” was a suggestion submitted online. AP’s sire is Pioneerof the Nile and his dam’s father is Yankee Gentleman, so it’s kind of clever, had the submitter known how to spell “pharaoh.” Anyway, Justin Zayat, the stable’s manager, submitted the name to the Jockey Club, it was approved, and then, when American Pharoah got big and news articles pointed out the misspelling, Zayat tried to blame the error on the Jockey Club, who responded with the most politely worded “fuck you, this is your screw up” I’ve ever read. It really was a eloquent burn.
I bought a nosebleed seat to the Belmont back in April, just in case. :)
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: You need to watch it, buster. You’re in a comment thread with the guy who will turn you in to blog hitler for that kind of shit.
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): It would have cost us twice the dough to go to the gulf and we couldn’t get a joint that would take the dogs on Hatteras. Then we got the word from the vet that the Bohdi is done playing ball and has to really go easy. Then I fucked up my hand. Then we got here and it’s swell.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Brachiator: And I’d never be able to explain how much I like it.
@raven: That’s a good attitude – they do need to enjoy themselves. I just somehow always manage to get into a tiff with the Marine dudes. That sounds weird too. I should just shut up now.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Oh, dear.
::vapors::
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You pick fights with marines? Cool.
raven
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): My birthday is the same as their’s!
muddy
@Omnes Omnibus: My eldest sister as well. She said it was called Palmer Method. Catholic schools in Philly in 50s. It looks like a font it’s so perfect.
Tree With Water
@efgoldman: A Miss McGraw “taught” me cursive writing-by-intimidation. She didn’t like us, and we didn’t like her.
Omnes Omnibus
@muddy: My handwriting is much more impressionistic – one can read it, but it requires a step or two back and some interpretation.
schrodinger's cat
Ironically enough, I have never heard the word used in Bombay (Mumbai), though it is supposedly an anglicized pronunciation of Dongri, one of the older parts of the city, where the thick cotton cloth was made. BTW the cotton mills of Bombay are mostly dead now, shopping malls and high rises have taken their place.
scav
@efgoldman: Same difference, isn’t it? One could get a little goofy using that roller thingy to create them.
schrodinger's cat
@efgoldman: You mean carbon paper?
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: No, really. He will advocate for you getting shunned since you are stunned.
gogol's wife
Yes, it was Fast Times at Ridgemont High in which the kids smelled the paper. I just tried to finally watch it the other night after hearing about it for years. I made it through about 40 minutes before giving up.
Elvis’s versions of Amazing Grace and Bridge Over Troubled Water are the best thing since sliced bread.
John Revolta
@Germy Shoemangler: Have you ever seen Andy Kaufman’s Elvis impersonation? He’s really good.
Omnes Omnibus
Damn, Pete Campbell showing a decent side.
@John Revolta: Really good. As was his Mighty Mouse.
Anne Laurie
@Germy Shoemangler:
Point of order: That movie, and those comedians, may possible be classed as ‘deep’ but they are as subtle as a clown slipping on a banana peel.
Felonius Monk
I started wearing blue jeans in the late 1940s. Even then I thought only “old” people referred to them as dungarees.
As far as slacks go, Black Slacks will never be out of style.
Omnes Omnibus
@Anne Laurie: MP had subtleties hidden beneath the broad absurdities.
Anne Laurie
@efgoldman: My granny (the one who turned out to have grown up Anglican in Galway) had fitted cloth slipcovers to protect her living room furniture, and plastic covers over them to protect the slipcovers.
If she had important guests, she would’ve taken off the plastic, but of course none of her family was ever that important!
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: It’s not your day, kid.
SiubhanDuinne
WTF is going on here? I’ve submitted the same comment four times now, with only the difference of a punctuation mark, and it hasn’t shown up once.
EDIT: Or what EFG said at 121.
Hungry Joe
@Shana: That mimeograph-sniffing scene might be from “Boogie Nights” (1997),* though I wouldn’t be surprised if it was in some other films as well.
* With Rollergirl, I think … though every scene with her makes me dissolve into a lust-muddled haze.
Omnes Omnibus
@Hungry Joe: Ms. Graham is quiet lovely.
schrodinger's cat
@gogol’s wife: I finally saw the last episode of Wolf Hall. You were right it was great. It took me 2 episodes to get invested in the show but after that I really loved it. Poor Anne. Does anyone have a head count of the people who lost theirs during Henry VIII’s reign?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s happened. Then they get all weird when they can’t intimidate a woman. It gets worse if you laugh at them. It’s kinda funny when you snicker and say “dude, I’ve stood toe to toe with actual murderers and didn’t flinch, so you really don’t scare me,” then the obvious LEO next you you says “she’s not kidding man.”
I once kinda got trapped in a stare down with an El Salvadoran gang banger in a Tacquieria. It was an accident that I didn’t know he was trying to skeer me with a look but I would.not look away because I’ve gotten undisciplined. And he couldn’t look away in front of his guys. It got very tense. M. Q was a little worried, but the banger’s guys found some way to distract things so it could end without him losing face. M. Q insisted we leave immediately, and my grousing that it would make me look like a sissy were ignored.
Linnaeus
The Belmont is where Triple Crowns go to die, though. Here’s who also won the first two legs, but not the third, since Affirmed won it in 1978:
2014: California Chrome
2012: I’ll Have Another
2008: Big Brown
2004: Smarty Jones
2003: Funny Cide
2002: War Emblem
1999: Charismatic
1998: Real Quiet
1997: Silver Charm
1989: Sunday Silence
1987: Alysheba
1981: Pleasant Colony
1979: Spectacular Bid
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat: There are estimates ranging from 57-72,000. They are likely to be exaggerations.
ETA: Anne was ambitious and playing the “Game of Thrones.” She succeeded for a time.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodinger’s cat:
Head count:
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Moms handwriting was close to that but dad only used cursive for his signature. He could print faster than I could write in cursive and so straight it looked like he did it on a computer with his own personal font.
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): My dad once found himself seated next to a Marielito who told him that “The night was his friend” and insisted on showing dad his knife. Dad told him it was quite well balanced and handed it back.
SiubhanDuinne
Okay, I’m sorry, this is making me crazy. I’ve tried six times now to post a mild, inoffensive comment with no bad words and the right number of links. So I’m going to try doing a couple of sentences at a time and see if I can figure out where the problem is. Bear with me, please.
(To be continued)
SiubhanDuinne
Continuation 2 of 3:
Gin & Tonic
@raven: I’ll take the ocean any day of the week.
SiubhanDuinne
Hmmm. So it’s the third section that’s not going through. Time to get a bit more granular here.
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: I am one of those who would choose the mountains over the seaside every time.
SiubhanDuinne
So it’s one of the two links, one to Ditto, one to Mimeograph.
Here’s the Mimeograph link.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
I like them both, it’s cornfields and flat that goes on forever that I don’t appreciate.
Gin & Tonic
@Omnes Omnibus: They have mountains in Wisconsin?
SiubhanDuinne
Spirit
(This is a test)
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Try feeding the url addresses through http://tinyurl.com/ in case something in them is problematic for FYWP.
SiubhanDuinne
Ditto (this is a test)
SiubhanDuinne
The fuck. I give up. This is stupid, Terence.
Anne Laurie
@Brachiator:
I think you mean the “spirit” evaporating off the A.B. Dick duplicator paper. Since I was a (sf) fanzine fan, I actually owned a third- or fourth hand A.B. Dick back in the mid-1970s, before (xerox) copiers were ubiquitous/cheap enough for even poor twenty-somethings!
And one of my housemates had a mimeograph, which could produce many more copies from each master, but the stencil ink was horrible stuff to work with & the cheap absorbent Twiltone stock used for printing was ugly. I doubt anybody ever got dizzy sniffing mimeo ink, but the corflu (correction fluid) used to soften the wax on the stencils so you could fix typos was even more potent than ditto fluid…
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: They do not. This is about as close as we get.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I tried. God knows I tried.
Corner Stone
@Omnes Omnibus: Mmmm, ribs. That’s why I’m doing this. I had ribs for lunch today.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Well, that exhausts my technical knowledge.
Anne Laurie
@Tree With Water: Ah, but the Wikipedia tells me old ditto machines are in great demand among tattoo artists, so you could claim to be an antediluvian hipster!
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Were we trying to post the same thing? I have looked and looked and just can’t imagine what is triggering FYWP. (And it’s not as though it were an ordinary moderation notice. That I can deal with. It’s that everything just disappears into the ether without so much as a by-your-leave.)
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thanks anyhow. I should probably think of Tiny URL more often, even though it didn’t do the trick this time.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: I had an 11 mile ride for lunch today. So I think you win this one – as long as the ribs were good.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Test
Spirit
Edit: Nope, that ain’t it.
Suzanne
So I have had an ongoing problem with a colleague for the last couple of weeks. He resents me because I don’t lick his boots or ask his opinion often enough. According to our studio director, he has a problem with women, and I am also younger than he is, and he doesn’t like that I don’t defer to him based on his job title (his work is highly mediocre). Last Thursday, he threw a temper tantrum and said he won’t work on the project anymore. I hate this shit.
Anne Laurie
@SiubhanDuinne: Didn’t realize I’d be stepping on your explanation, but perhaps it’s just as well!
(No understanding the ways of FYWP, but it may be the ‘reproduction’ word that gives it fits?)
SiubhanDuinne
Another test
Alcohol
Alcohols
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Mithridates, he died old.
Edited for bettererness
@SiubhanDuinne: Given the conversations on this site, I really doubt that that word is the problem.
mclaren
And now, time for a short sharp little shock to all the naysayers who claim that fears about the Trans-Pacific Partnership overriding U.S. law are “hypothetical” and “overblown” — turns out Canada is now trying to use NAFTA to overturn the Volcker rule preventing banks from engaging in excessively risky financial speculation:
Source: “Canada’s Finance Minister Says Volcker Rule Violates Nafta,” The Wall Street Journal, 13 May 2015.
If this is what NAFTA allows, wait’ll you see the atrocities the TPP will make possible. Minimum wage laws, worker safety laws, Glass-Steagall, will all blow away like wooden shacks in the path of an atom bomb test.
Time for military-corporate sock puppets like Omnes Omnibus to trot out some more boilerplate talking points to gloss over these inconvenient developments…
muddy
I’ve been having a cooking festival all week. I’m having surgery next week and think it will be great to take vacuum sealed bags out and nuke them instead of cooking afterwards. It’ll be like Jenny Craig or something, only actual food that tastes good. Just now I took out 2 meatloaves and sent a pic to my son to taunt him.
Messed about with the mower for some time, gave up way too easily and texted a friend. He may as well get a start because I won’t be doing that for a bit either. House is clean, paperwork done, dog sitter lined up. I was a little out of order and adopted 2 kittens, should have waited but nevermind.
Corner Stone
@mclaren:
I missed out on a recent thread where a lot of your incisive comments regarding Omnes appeared to be deleted afterwards. Could you explicate what, exactly, OO has been up to?
SiubhanDuinne
Banda
Omnes Omnibus
@mclaren: Fuck you, asshole. As I have mentioned in previous threads – threads in which you have participated – I am against this deal. So, go pound sand.
SiubhanDuinne
Roneo
SiubhanDuinne
Still testing:
Wilhelm Ritzerfeld
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: I am apparently a PFC in a basement somewhere doing stuff. It is true that I was an E-3 for the entire time I was in Basic. But that’s it.
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
:-)
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus: If that word were the problem, there’d be damned few conversations on this site, I suspect.
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): My point exactly.
Corner Stone
A $3M budget to find a place in Montana. Assholes. Against the wall to encourage the others!
SiubhanDuinne
I have found it!! Now, would someone please explain why the following word is forbidden fruit in these parts?
DU.
PLI.
CA.
TOR.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I was just testing everything I could think of. Finally, I tested one word I had not previously thought of, because it seemed so innocuous. But see my #177.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: @SiubhanDuinne: Golly. Unless this gets eated.
muddy
@SiubhanDuinne: It wouldn’t let me post it either. How weird. Just acted like I had not made a comment, except it put me back up at the top of the post afterwards.
Corner Stone
@SiubhanDuinne: Holy crap. I just tried it and got eaten. WTF?
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
But this is my favorite passage from “Shropshire”:
Corner Stone
Duplicate.
muddy
@SiubhanDuinne: I googled the word and the first thing that came up was something from Word Press.
Corner Stone
Duplicatee.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
@muddy:
@Corner Stone:
I know. Isn’t that the weirdest thing?
Corner Stone
Holy shit. You know what it is? It’s just c to the a to the t to the o to the r
as in qatar
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: For me, it is this:
SiubhanDuinne
@muddy:
Wow really?
max
@SiubhanDuinne: You know, I was in public school from 1947-56 (K-8) and 1956-70 (high school).
Wow. The detention time in that high school must of been hellish.
max
[‘I’ve heard of places like that.’]
SiubhanDuinne
@max:
Oops.
1957-60.
1960.
Nineteen-SIXTY.
Valdivia
@SiubhanDuinne: @Omnes Omnibus:
oh Housman. Love that I came here to seek refuge from Argentinian soccer outrage and found this :)
Omnes Omnibus
And Pete’s back to being an asshole.
SiubhanDuinne
@muddy:
@SiubhanDuinne:
Okay, that is simply bizarre.
Now, I suppose, there’s going to be some copy-cat murderer in the news and the MSM will dub him the “Dupli—-r Killer” and we won’t be able to discuss him around here. Just like we didn’t used to be able to talk about socialism.
Steeplejack
@NotMax:
True. I noticed that at the Kentucky Derby but thought, Well, I guess you can’t “misspell” a proper name (Catherine, Katherine, Katharine, etc.). But I thought it was strange, because the horse’s owner on TV looked like he could be Egyptian. And in fact he is.
The only other “misspelled” example I know of is the jazz musician Pharoah Sanders.
@Nicole:
Thanks for the interesting back-story.
Omnes Omnibus
@Valdivia: Want some Browning? Robert, that is?
SiubhanDuinne
@Corner Stone:
Oh for crap’s sake. Really? Really?
That is stupid beyond belief.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yes, wonderful.
Valdivia
@Omnes Omnibus:
I am always up for some Browning! :)
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
It is so strange you would mention Robert Browning just then. I have just rediscovered and friended on FB the guy who played RB in our high school production of The Barretts of Wimpole Street some 57 years ago (my best friend was EBB).
Omnes Omnibus
@Valdivia: One of my all time favorite poems. Except for some of John Donne’s racier, early works.
Steeplejack
@muddy:
Good luck with the surgery (inpatient?). Keep us posted on the outcome.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: My dad played Browning around the same time.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I have an enormous affection for that play.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
I have been reading down the thread and thought the problem might be duplicator before I got to this comment of yours. At first I thought “Licator” might be a drug name, but the Google tells me I’m probably thinking of “Lipitor.” So I’ve got nothing, unless duplicator is on some FYWP no-fly list because it sounds like it could contain a drug name.
(I used some HTML mojo to get the forbidden words into this comment. Let’s see if it works.)
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
I know, right?
muddy
@Steeplejack: It’s the gallbladder coming out, but they are keeping me a couple days because of a cardiomyopathy. They might address some issues I’ve been having with the defibrillator site while I’m under, accident with a box last fall left it tipped in the pocket and the corner would like to erode. Eeeew!
It’s not until Wednesday. I’m trying to get all my work done so that I just lie about and rest the last couple of days beforehand. I don’t want to have to do a damn thing afterwards for quite a while.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
Test
Dupli
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
Hmm, this comment posted okay, but FYWP said I don’t have permission to edit it when I tried to fix the italics.
muddy
@Steeplejack: I googled the word and got this: https://wordpress.org/plugins/duplic……….ator/ Maybe that’s why it doesn’t want it?
(remove dots)
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
Yes, it seems to be somewhere in the last three syllables of the four-syllable word. All my tests of those letters have disappeared/hung up.
muddy
@Steeplejack: I googled the word and got this: https://wordpress.org/plugins/(the offending word here)/
Maybe that’s why it doesn’t want it? I tried typing the above with a bunch of dots in the middle of the offending word and it just rolled and rolled and wouldn’t load.
ETA: Apparently it did load after much thought
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@mclaren: Oh, for god’s sake. Let’s start with the fact that no one has ruled that Dodd/Frank does violate NAFTA. Canada hasn’t even said that they are going to file a challenge; they might, but they also might not. So no one’s nightmares have been confirmed, unless you have bad dreams over the fact that politicians can say things.
Second, as weakenings of financial regulations go, saying that banks can trade in Canadian government debt just don’t rank very high. Yes, it’s more risky than holding U.S. treasuries because of the currency risk but that isn’t huge. It’s also easily remediable since you can hedge the currency risk. So even if the U.S. were to lose on this case, it doesn’t mean that all of the other horror stories you’re concocting would come true.
Third, this is all incredibly rich coming from someone who has had nothing but contempt for Dodd/Frank.
Valdivia
@Omnes Omnibus:
I love how poems–like this one–can be so luminous about the heart, our passions, our humanity.
It’s wonderful to go back to thinking about Browning & Donne. I have felt always a kind of affinity between the two no?
Speaking of racy, have you ever read Edith Wharton’s Terminus? One of the most unexpected poems I have encountered. So suggestively evocative.
ETA: was looking for a good link to it but all I find s Naomi Wolf reading it and that just seems wrong to me.
ETA2: here it is, http://www.wcusd15.org/morrissey/terminus.pdf
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
A similar word beginning with “repli-” won’t go through, also too.
SiubhanDuinne
Test
Alligator
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
No, it’s cator that’s the problem. I put in a comment with that as a separate word and it disappeared.
What’s even weirder and more infuriating is that educator also triggers the problem. I can’t believe how many threads we have had on the subject and apparently no one has used that word.
ETA: HTML mojo used to get forbidden words past the trap.
Omnes Omnibus
@Valdivia: It is interesting that we both saw ties between Donne and Browning.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
Then I shall never be able to link to the Woolford Gardens in Atlanta.
Valdivia
@Omnes Omnibus:
Grins. Yes indeed.
I think it’s a sharpness (of thought) that brings them together for me. But it’s more than that though, something elusive now that I try to explain it.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
I can definitely see that crippling your blog career.
Anne Laurie
Okay — just got back from a late dinner, checked the spam filter, and y’all have about four dozen -cator comments stuck there. Strange are the ways of WordPress!
(And unless somebody reeeeally wants those redundant redundancies preserved for the record, I’m not gonna bother fishing them out, either.)
Steeplejack
@Anne Laurie:
Perhaps as part of the current site renovation someone could look into fixing or replacing the plug-in or gizmo that censors “bad” words. I have almost no experience with WordPress, but some knowledgeable colleagues have told me there are many alternatives available to handle that problem.
SiubhanDuinne
@Steeplejack:
You may never hear from me again.
(Oh, shut up.)
SiubhanDuinne
@Anne Laurie:
I suspect the vast majority are from me. Maybe some from EFG, but mostly me, I’m afraid.
Delete away to your heart’s content. I don’t want the demned things.
Ruckus
@SiubhanDuinne:
One of them is mine from another thread. WP is really weird on words/letter combos that it doesn’t approve of. The unapproved list must have been written by someone with the worst language prowess ever or a evangelist who sees “bad words” everywhere. The repression is amazing.
Valdivia
@Omnes Omnibus:
curious to know: which is your favorite Donne?
Brachiator
@SiubhanDuinne: Yep, Ditto! that’s it. Those clammy, purple pages. And yet, in early grades it was an honor to be selected by the teacher to pass out a test or other Ditto materials.
And the aroma. Probably encouraged glue sniffing in later years.
Tehanu
Two words: library paste.
Spike
I haven’t heard the word “dungarees” since Herb Tarlek was explaining the Culture Wars to Les Nessman:
WKRP – The Dungarees vs. the Suits
Procopius
@Corner Stone: I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone use the term “dungarees.” I’m not even sure I know what it means. When I was a teenager (early ’50s) denim trousers were called “Levi’s” because nobody with any sense would buy any other brand. Slacks were what you wore to — well, I don’t really remember. I’m pretty sure I had at least one pair, but I can’t think of any event formal enough to require slacks but prohibit Levi’s. Any formal event required a suit. And a necktie.
Cervantes
@Procopius:
Dungarees, jeans, and denims were all named after the stiff cotton fabrics used to make them, in turn named after their respective (and putative) places of origin, the first in India and the others in Europe.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@SiubhanDuinne: There are lots of cho-lest-er-ol medi-i-cations that have “tor” in the name. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Last week or so FYWP ate a post of mine with a link to the BLS or similar. It didn’t like the URL (lots of periods). Who knows.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Steeplejack: GMTA.
Cheers,
Scott.