RED TED: STUFFED SOCIALIST BATTLES BEAR-GEOISIE pic.twitter.com/rsF8M2GC0v
— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) May 15, 2015
The NYTimes is… puzzled, and vaguely alarmed:
The quotations he posts, rarely pithy, are often sayings he thinks up in the shower. The photographs he puts up sometimes show him frowning, while others show him gazing oddly into the horizon. And he does not seem to care about the importance of videos.
But somehow, Bernie Sanders, the 73-year-old senator from Vermont, has emerged as a king of social media early in the 2016 presidential campaign, amid a field of tech-savvy contenders.
His Facebook posts attract tens of thousands of likes and shares, and threads about him often break through to the home page of Reddit, where the cluster of topics rarely focuses on presidential election politics…
Mr. Sanders’s prominence online is all the more improbable given that he does not do many things the way social media experts say they should be done… Social networking sites like Facebook recommend that when users post text, they do so with searchable words that would be attractive to newsfeed algorithms and search engines.
But Mr. Sanders’s team rarely uses buzzy introductory text when sharing his posts, leaving the chances of their going viral to users who stumble upon them. Fortunately for Mr. Sanders, who is seeking the Democratic nomination, he has loyal followers who somehow always know how to find his latest musing.
Take, for example, a block quotation advocating making Election Day a national holiday. It is posted atop a stock photo of ballot boxes. And it contains no searchable text. Still, it received nearly 100,000 likes and 22,000 shares…
“I’m not some kind of tech nerd, I really am not,” Mr. Sanders said. “But I have always believed in communication, and not just photo ops and stuff, but educating people, and communicating with people about the real work that we’re doing.”
VIDEO: Make College Tuition-Free: https://t.co/aW60NWXMtf
— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) May 19, 2015
Funny, how when you are a real person, and you work hard for a long time to care about other folks, that touches us. Rock On Bernie!
[looking at you hill]
I got past Obama being a Bears fan. Maybe I can get past Sanders being a Phish fan.
Major Major Major Major
Open thread, eh?
We did ground work in Krav Maga today and apparently I can kick somebody across the room now.
Also, ow, my whatever the muscle on the back of your knees is.
The mainstream media takes it for granted that what the voters really want is “someone they can have a beer with,” and that what that means in practice is frat boys like George Bush and prom queens like Sarah Palin.
Thus, whenever someone like Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie Sanders gains even a smidgen of popularity, it absolutely baffles them.
Karen in GA
Open thread? Sorry, I have to mention Phoebe again. On paper, she seems pretty healthy — her blood pressure’s a bit lower than they’d like, but otherwise okay. Except she hasn’t eaten since last Thursday.
The vet put her on meds to boost her BP. The BP’s not boosted much, but Phoebe seems to be perking up a bit for the first time since I brought her there. They have the option of upping the dose, so I suggested they do that tonight and see if she’ll perk up enough to eat.
Otherwise, the vet suggested a feeding tube tomorrow. I hate the idea because how much are we going to put this poor girl through?
So there are three possibilities tomorrow: (1) she eats, meaning she’s recovering; (2) the meds don’t work and she doesn’t eat, and I put a stop to this and say goodbye; or (3) the most desperate option, in which I put a stop to it, take her home, and try hand feeding her at home. She’s always like attention and cuddling — maybe she needs that?
They can’t figure out what’s causing this. Could it be psychological?
Major Major Major Major
Also, you don’t have to be “some sort of tech nerd” to understand facebook basics. If he thinks he’s taking a swipe at nerds, for shame. Most likely he’s just of a different generation :)
Looks like the nutbucket wins KyGOP gubernatorial primary in a plurality and by under 100 votes.
Remember – he starts at 45%. Hateful, worthless blue dog Conway refused to defend Kentucky’s gay marriage ban, so I’m looking for some love from the LGBT community for once. If he can’t carry the day, this state gets Brownbacked in a big way.
He’s from Vermont, it’s practically mandatory. On the upside, he’s probably a Grace Potter fan too.
BERNIE/MICHELLE 2016 WOO HOO
@Chris: Yeah – a politician saying stuff that lots of people agree with, and saying it straightforwardly, is becoming popular? In the Village, this does not compute.
Don’t you think it’s kind of weird how Bernie is getting such little coverage on the front page of DKos?
I mean, even if you don’t think he can win, at least his ideas are appealing and should be promoted, if nothing more, to move the national conversation leftward.
Moreover, back in 2007/2008 the candidates got an even amount of coverage.
When you put that together, it leaves you wonder why so little coverage on Sanders.
eta: today there were 8 articles on DKos front page on Hillary, only 1 on Sanders.
Major Major Major Major
@Karen in GA: cats are hard to read. I’m so sorry you’re going through that btw, I don’t think I said that on earlier threads.
@Karen in GA: Does she seem at all like she is suffering? That, to me, would be the key question. If not, tying some more options might will be worth it. If she is, then, maybe, you need to make the hard choice. I don’t envy you.
@Karen in GA: Man, I’m so sorry. Hoping like hell for (1)
No doubt about it: MICHELLE OBAMA IS A BADDASS!
How about I love that they went with the straight up rap background music.
“You’re move POTUS!”
These old media people just seem so lost – like the buggy whip makers were about how those horseless carriage thingies with their noise and all those moving parts could possibly ever be popular, because look at these beautiful buggy whips! Bernie says obviously true things, and truth has a way of resonating. Whomever does his FB page is great at it, and there are several posts a day – all with his quotes, or quotes from the pope, or quotes from the Dalai Lama, or quotes from some other truth teller. Guess what media clowns – try truth telling. It’s not that fucking hard. It feels good, and it has the added benefit of being true.
@danielx: Grace is cool.
@David Koch: It’s a conspiracy.
@Karen in GA:
What kind of relationship did she have with Smudge? I wonder if she could be grieving. WereBear may have some good insights.
Whatever ends up happening, please know that all of you in the family — bipeds and quadrupeds alike — are in my thoughts.
@lamh36: thanks. I’m going to a boxing aerobics workout in a few minutes. I am truly inspired, my beloved FLOTUS crush is doing them too!
So when is the Supreme Court gay marriage decision supposed to be handed down?
@lamh36: It and the ACA decision are likely to be the last two released at the end of June.
Oh, yet more “experts” and expert-pushers puzzled — nay, baffled! — by the fact that things do not work according to their theories and publicized mandates. Doubly funny in that they’re both (the experts and the journalists) clearly obsessed about style, format and channel while utterly ignoring actual content and audience (especially an actively participating one, rather than passive consumers).
@Omnes Omnibus: Thx
Since it’s an open thread: Golden State/Houston game one is going down to the wire. I know this is not the most original of sports hot takes, but Harden and Dwight Howard really just bug me, so I’m rooting for the Warriors.
Karen in GA
@David Koch: I believe the goal of the site is to elect Democrats. Could it be that they don’t consider him to be a real Democrat? Just guessing — I don’t spend a lot of time there.
@lamh36: Not a problem. And, FWIW, I think the good guys win both. Part eternal optimist, part analysis.
@David Koch: Yes I do.
Gotta admit, I never thought I would see the day when good liberals would applaud candidates dodging tough questions and stiffing the press a la Bush.
@cahuenga: Seriously? When she announced, she said she was going to do a listening tour where she went out and talked to people. That appears to be what she was doing.
Also too, what were the “tough questions/”
A couple of the frontpagers at DK are Hillary cheerleaders and are spamming the frontpage with nonsense about Hillary. The frontpage is ignoring Sanders along with ignoring any negative Hillary story. It’s become a pretty bizarre place.
She dodged the question from a handpicked voter today on the TPP during her listening tour. We still have no idea if she is for or against TPP and has no comment on fast-track. As usual, she is a real profile in courage.
The NYT must be terrified, never dealt with anything like this before.
TPP for one. She has been dodging that one for weeks. Good grief, cut the weasel words and show some courage of your convictions, woman.
@lamh36: June 25th.
@askew: Tonight, you started this interaction, right? Fast track was voted down. What does it profit any politician who wasn’t directly involved to say anything about it? Right now, she is the prohibitive favorite to win the Dem. nomination. The GOP is a shit show. From a tactical sense, why would she do anything but stay fairly quiet while her likely general election opponents act like poo flinging monkeys? People got upset at Obama not trying to win the week back in 2008. Maybe she’s not trying to win the week now.
Culture of Truth
Breaking: Humans Crave Authenticity. NYT To Look Into This
@Karen in GA:
hoping she eats and gets better.
my roommate of many years and best friend is a die hard Warriors fan so I am cheering for them.
oh this is a relief to read. Somewhere (one of the liberal blogs) there was some prognostication that the Court would give liberals a win on SSM in exchange for gutting the ACA. I don’t think it works that way. Given how Kennedy and Roberts can be though I am beyond nervous about the King decision.
Karen in GA
Thanks for the kind words, everyone.
Phoebe is only a year younger than Smudge and spent her whole life in the same house, but Smudge preferred to be left alone, so they weren’t that close.
I haven’t seen her since Saturday when I took her to UGA — not sure if she’s actually suffering. Almost a week without food has to be rough on her, though.
A few years ago we went away for a weekend. We’d done that before with no problems, but this time we came back to find Phoebe had gone from cuddlebug to an angry, hissing, bitter little beast. I had no idea why (still don’t). After a few days of watching her hate the world, I took her into the bedroom, shut the door so the other cats couldn’t come in, sat down next to her and just petted her for about 15 minutes. After that she was back to her old self. I also remember her sometimes having no interest in food, then I’d pick it up in my hand and she’d eat from my hand. That’s why I’m wondering if she’d respond better if I took her home and tried taking care of her myself. I might do that, just so I know I did everything I could.
I’m exhausted. Going to bed.
Blogging for $$$ would never-ever happen:
@Valdivia: Please remember that I noted that a good portion of my prediction was pure optimism. That being said, buying into the anti-ACA argument means throwing basic statutory interpretation rules into question. I doubt that both Roberts and Kennedy would be that stupid – we only need one.
@David Koch: Link?
@Karen in GA: Bringing her home and giving her heavy doses of love and familiarity might bring her appetite back. Cats can go a surprisingly long time without eating, so her not eating for five days isn’t the end of the world. As long as she’s not suffering, it’s worth a shot. All best.
Noted, it’s just such a relief to read that someone thinks it will go our way on King. Nicholas Bagley at The Incidental Economist has been writing so much about what would happen if King goes the other way I’ve indulged in a little fatalism.
Saw Fury Road and watched the original Mad Max after it. Seems every installment just gets more and more post-apocalyptic, with latest installment being the bleakest of them all.
Good film, just surprising how much more civilized the original was.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Laura at DK is being paid to post positive Hillary Clinton stories. They are basically puff pieces that sound like they are written by her campaign staff.
The entire front page has made an editorial decision to ignore Sanders. Meteor Blades will mention in him in a late news round-up but that is it.
Of course, DK is a shadow of it was back in 2004 and 2008. With the rise of Facebook and Twitter, political blogs don’t get the traffic they use to.
Howard Beale IV
@Karen in GA: Make sure the cat also drinks too-the last thing you want is heapatic lipidosis because of her not eating and drinking.
Bakc in the late 1990s I actually had the vet put in a feeding tube when Chaos got sick when his kidneys first shut down-got through that but then he went into hepatic lipidosis-hence the feeding tube. Did that every six hours for about a week and a half–then he started to eat from the bowl, at which point we had the feeding tube removed and he went back to being a normal feline.
He survived for another ten years before cancer took him.
@askew: Do you think that Sanders has any actual shot at the Democratic nomination? Right now, the person with any shot of taking down HRC is your guy O’Malley. Sanders is a wonderful guy and has opinions closer to mine than either HRC or O’Malley. OTOH, he will never be president. The best he can do is affect the discussion. And, golly, we have have talked about him and his goals here. Gee, he is already being effective.
Farley, over at LGM, has ruined my chances of sleep linking to this. Damnation, how do we manage to survive our own idiocy? Life on a Trident sub might not be as neat and regimented as one might imagine. A random snip.
I get that people want her to support or denounce the deal, but this really IS the position of most Democrats in Congress:
There is no Democrat who is categorically opposed to the trade deal. Warren wants better process and transparency and big changes on the private arbitration provisions, Brown wants his currency concessions and labor and environmental protections and Obama says the trade deal will increase jobs (although he hasn’t said wages).
I don’t know; “must increase wages” is almost a poison pill, because not even the most ardent free traders are claiming this (or any other trade deal) will increase “wages”.
I don;t think it’s a particularly bad opening answer on trade, if she fleshes it out later.
Really? I think Carcetti needs to poll higher than a digit first. He’s not running to take Clinton out. He’s running to be caretaker frontrunner if she dies or quits for some unknown reason.
@Omnes Omnibus: I think I may be willing to vote for Sanders up to the point that he actually gets a shot at the nomination. Because if he actually got it, he would lose in a McGovern/Mondale-level blowout to anybody. This is simply the way of American politics. Guys like Bernie Sanders are crispy critters in the general election. One votes for them to send a message; if they can actually get nominated it becomes sabotage.
But I don’t think he has a real shot at the nomination either, so this is probably a moot point.
@Bobby Thomson: Who else can you offer up? Sanders is clearly in it to affect the debate (and good for him for doing it). As of now, O’Malley is the only person who has “stepped in.”
@Omnes Omnibus: That sounds right to me. If at the end of the campaign trail there is a meaningful number of prospective voters saying, “Y’know, those ideas don’t really sound crazy; they actually make sense,” then I think he’ll have accomplished a lot. Certainly a lot for an individual.
Just caught the last half of the first overtime in the Blackhawks-Ducks game. Hawks fortunate the Ducks couldn’t capitalize when Crawford lost his stick for about 10 seconds.
@Matt McIrvin: I what several Democratic debates on TV where the only ones up there are Saunders, Clinton and O’Malley. O’Malley will be invisible so it’s going to be a sharp contrast between corporatist Clinton and Bernie’s no BS, pro middle class message.
And he’ll wind up winning one of them.
This is why I get irritated at the “pro-trade” and “anti-trade” labels you see in so much of the reporting on the TPP.
This. One of the biggest complaints about TPP is that we don’t know exactly what’s in it. Given that, how is anyone supposed to take a firm stand for or against it except as a matter of either blind faith or general resistance to trade deals as a matter of principle? I can understand having a firm position on fast track, but demanding a firm position on TPP seems crazy.
@Roger Moore: And, given that HRC has been out of the loop for a while, why would she be able to know shit about the deal?
I expect Hillary to win the primary in a landslide and then lose the general. Still doesn’t mean that Sanders doesn’t deserve real frontpage treatment at DK. He’s the only candidate on the Dem side saying anything of substance yet we are subject to countless puff pieces on Hillary about nothing instead of discussing Sanders. I expect the same will happen once O’Malley joins the race officially. The site has become as vapid as Politico. But, even Politico covers policy issues in more substance than the frontpage of DK now.
In 2004 and 2008, there were actual policy discussions on the candidates even the unelectable ones, like Kucinich. It’s too bad because O’Malley and Sanders have been pushing on progressive policy and they are saying something worth talking about. They also both have progressive records we should be proud to talk up unlike Hillary.
@Goblue72: What I want to see is the Villagers getting tongue-tied between the desire to call Sanders the winner of a debate so Clinton loses and the desire to call Sanders a loser because they want to minimize airtime for his ideas. I’ll bet we’ll get some funny gaffes from their mental confusion.
Why would O’Malley be invisible? He has the most progressive record of the 3 candidates. He has a real record to run on. While Sanders has voted the right way while in the Senate, he hasn’t gotten a whole lot accomplished in his career, due mostly to the completely worthless Senate. But, when Sanders and Hillary talk about immigration, O’Malley can say I’ve already delivered on DREAM Act, etc. When they talk about raising the minimum wage, he can say he’s already delivered on raising the minimum wage. When they talk about raising taxes on the wealthy, he can say I’ve done that. And on it goes.
He’s also going to be the only one on the stage who isn’t eligible for social security and hasn’t been years in federal government. He’s going to be bring a real contrast to the other 2 candidates.
I like Sanders, but I don’t expect him to do much in the debates. That is if we actually have them. Right now, Hillary is the only one who agreed to the BS DNC rules on debates.
@askew: This is perhaps a weird suggestion, but might you not make your criticisms at the site that bothers you?
And which dipshit will she lose to? Come on, which one can fight his way out of a paper bag? Show some polling. I know you don’t like her. Show me some hard evidence why I should not support her as the best candidate that the Dems have.
Support whoever the fuck you want. I don’t care. Never have. I think she is going to lose the general election. Polling doesn’t mean anything now as she is the only candidate with 100% name recognition.
Um, step the fuck back? I have not picked a candidate yet. I have said that again and again.
I… I seriously need that bear. Like I need it now. He would go so well with my Templeton bear. Yeah, yay Bernie, but I need that bear.
@lamh36: She KICKBOXES! She’s now my spirit animal. After my kickboxing teacher.
What does better process mean?
Why does the issue of transparency bother her now, but it didn’t bother her (or any one on the blogosphere) when it came to the Iran deal or the trade for Bowe Bergdahl with the Taliban or normalizing relations with Cuba or the carbon limit accord with China, or when Americans were released from North Korea, all which were accomplished without transparency?
@Kay: What is Clinton’s excuse for being silent on the Keystone pipeline?
@David Koch: What is your point? Come on, I am sure that if you have a positive point to make you can do it. Can’t you?
I am curious: who do you think will win the general election? Also, since polling doesn’t mean anything at this point, why are you convinced she will lose the general election?
Hasn’t O’Malley done so?
@David Koch: You lied above. People can trace the links.
@Omnes Omnibus: https://youtu.be/_wOUMd3bMRI?t=57
@David Koch: And?
Mike in NC
Why all this nonsense about Bernie Sanders? An elderly Socialist who couldn’t carry Vermont let alone any other state. He would get exactly zero electoral votes. Find some other bullshit to discuss.
@Omnes Omnibus: are you drunk? or has continuously fucking chickens rotted your brain. there isn’t a single word I changed from Kay’s post or from the WaPo article. but go ahead, wank away
@Karen in GA:
With cats, one should never underestimate the psychological. (Felines: Putting the psycho in psychological!)
Is the vet hospital set up so that you can try hand-feeding Phoebe in her crate / isolette? Have you been able to visit / cuddle her since the operation? I’ve known cats who came back from the brink of death when they discovered that, no, their people hadn’t actually abandoned them forever, they just needed to stop Camille-ing and get strong enough to come home…
Also, if the doctors permit, strained baby-food chicken is kitty crack — you can smear a little on her lips/nose, let her lick it off your fingers, turn her attention back from the river Lethe. Even if they don’t think it’s the best thing for her health, well, she should enjoy her last meal, right?
I contribute here, but have no control over what happens on DKos.
Sanders’ Don Bernardo de la Montaña Verde campaign is political masturbation.
Makes one feel good but ultimately serves nary another purpose.
@askew: cuz Malley is the John Edwards of 2016. A vanilla white guy whose platform is distinguishable from the front runner only if you squint hard and tilt your head sideways.
@Anne Laurie: question wasn’t addressed to any one specifically, rather to the general audience reading open thread (like Mel Brooks’ love of breaking the 4th wall).
I meant elected Democrat- people in Congress and the President.
“Better process” means a more representative group of advocates – not 85% business interests and 15% every other interest.
More transparency” means the same or better transparency than that which was provided in other trade deals. Obama’s is less transparent than both NAFTA and Bush’s last trade deal.
I know it is the firm convinction of everyone who supports this trade deal that people who oppose it “don’t know what they’re talking about” (which is what the President said) but the President was wrong- they do know what they’re talking about.
Remember- they;ve read it. They can’t discuss specifics publicly, but they’ve read it.
@David Koch: Hi David, Did you post an article on Sanders at dKos? If not, sounds like you’re in the batter’s box. I look forward to reading it. ;)
@Karen in GA: Hi Karen (in case you see this)
Reflects the fact that it is tough for cats to get better in a vet hospital in a territory they don’t know.
Invasive medical procedures are enough to plunge them into depression, which alone makes them not want to eat.
I’m at dearpammy AT wayofcats DOT com if I can be of any further help.
No one votes trade. She (and the rest of the party) are just trying to square various donor interests – labor, ag, entertainment, etc.
@Karen in GA: Try raw tiger shrimp, that can entice even the sickest feline.
@Major Major Major Major:
Here’s what you need to operate Facebook:
1) Have id
2) Have keyboard
@David Koch: It’s not weird in the least. The loonies over there have fully embraced the disease where hating a candidate is far more important (and thrilling) than supporting one.
@scav: Yes, glad I read down instead of trying to say that myself, ’cause I knew someone would say it better.
I’ll add that the puzzlement comes from the fact that they’re talking about two very different kinds of buzz. The first is genuine and human driven. The second is synthetic, and algorithm driven. The so-called “social media experts” understand hit counts because they can be easily quantified. What people actually care about is much more slippery. They know how to trick the machines into pushing their water in front of the horse, and they think that’s the completion of the process — whether the horse drinks it or not is immaterial to them.
Left to these folks the entire raison d’être of the internet will be “consume more content, faster and mindlessly”. It stops being a tool for information and starts being a toddler’s Fisher Price toy that provides stimulation in response to random poking.
@askew: Maybe you could go over there and write a diary in support of your candidate.
Oh, wait, you’re not interested in that. You’re only interested in shitting on one candidate in particular.
Well, that still works: go over there and write a diary shitting on that candidate. Your odds of it hitting the rec list are pretty good.
I’ve actually written multiple diaries over there about O’Malley and I’ve talked him up here and there repeatedly. Here is a few examples of the diaries I’ve written:
My supporting O’Malley, here or there, has nothing to do with Hillary being a weak politician with little charisma and almost no ethical standards.
Maybe next time before you start slinging insults at people, you should actually know what you are talking about?
Actually, his platform is completely distinguishable from Hillary’s as is his record. Let me know which of these things Hillary has accomplished:
1. Enacting DREAM Act
2. Raising minimum wage
3. Raising taxes on the wealthy
4. Increasing education funding
5. Capping tuition increases at state universities
6. Granting driver’s licenses to undocumented Americans
7. Restoring voting rights to felons who have served their sentences
8. Increasing access to voting through early voting and easier voter registration
9. Signing Same Sex Marriage into law and campaigning for it to stay legal
10. Passing strict gun control laws
11. Repealing death penalty and commuting remaining death row prisoners to life in prison
12. Providing foster homes for the most child refugees from Central America per capita in the country
13. Decriminalizing small amounts of marijuana
Hillary is coming around to positions that O’Malley has held for a long time even though her record contradicts her newfound liberalism.
And he’s nothing like Edwards, because O’Malley’s campaign rhetoric matches his platform.
Kind of curious who these ‘experts’ are since a bunch of the people I consider to be social media experts in politics are working for Sanders and are the ones doing this stuff.
If nothing else, I’m glad Sanders (and O’Malley eventually) are providing employment opportunities for some of the talented people that aren’t on the Clinton campaign for one reason or another.
@askew: Mea culpa. But I would add I wouldn’t mind seeing more of that around here.
@Kay: That is wrong. Under the debate and speech clause of the Constitution, they are allowed to talk about anything on the floor of the Senate with full impunity.
This is how the Pentagon Papers were released to the public. Senator Gravel read the first few pages out loud on the Senate floor and then entered the rest into the record. They were classified, which would have been illegal to release, but because of the debate and speech clause he had immunity.
And you don’t know if they’ve read it. Just because they say so doesn’t make it true. You think Bernie Sanders read all 2,000 pages of ACA before voting for it? Remember in Fahrenheit 9/11 how John Conyers revealed that no one had read the Patriot Act.
Warren has already been proven to be misleading on this twice. She said it was secret – it turned out every Senator has access to it. She says they can’t talk about it – that’s wrong, they can talk about anything they want on the floor of the Senate.
And when this was pointed out, not once did she correct the record.
And you still didn’t answer my question on why is she objecting to transparency now, when she didn’t object to transparency with the Iran deal, or Cuba, or Bergdahl, or the China carbon deal, or drones, or a congressional resolution on ISIS, etc. She’s not being consistent, she’s being selective for political reasons.
Warren is not the Messiah. She’s doesn’t walk on water, she steps into puddles and gets dirty and wet like everyone else.
@Kay: what difference does it make that O’Malley is out of office since you raised the point with regards to Hillary’s lack of position.
Hillary is out of office, too. If O’Malley can take a position, so can Hillary, since they’re similarly situated. There is no excuse.
Moreover, what is Clinton’s excuse for not taking a position on Keystone, when O’Malley and Sanders have taken firm positions?