Some of Hillary’s emails were released:
The State Department released Friday its first round of emails from Hillary Clinton’s time as Secretary of State, offering a new look at her handling of the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
The roughly 300 emails, about 850 pages, are part of the 30,000 that she turned over to State from her private email server, which she used almost exclusively to conduct both private and public business during her time at State. They reveal a range of correspondence from Clinton, everything from policy briefs to scheduling requests to friendly exchanges with staff.
One email, sent four days before Christmas in 2012, Secretary Clinton sent a note to her entire state department staff, acknowledging a “challenging week.” She had fainted about a week prior and suffered a concussion, which prevented her from testifying before House and Senate committees on the attacks.
“We need to learn from the tragedy in Benghazi and make every possible improvement — and we will,” she wrote in the five-paragraph note.
One day earlier, Clinton wrote in an email to two top aides headed to the Hill on her behalf: “I’ll be nursing my cracked head and cheering you on as you ‘remain calm and carry on!”
I can barely contain my enthusiasm for the press coverage of this momentous event.
Peale
She sent e-mails while she was recovering from a concussion! Faker.
srv
Sounding pretty royal there.
I promise you, there’s going to be a whitey tape in there somewhere.
Hal
Lawrence O’Donnell’s panel talked for several minutes about this last night and clearly had nothing. Still, they managed to mention Sydney Blumenthal emailing Hillary and how that might come up later.
samiam
Hey Cole, this fat bastard Christie is a vulgar ahole story has been out for almost a day now and you still haven’t come out trying to defend him again.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chris-christie-roast-vulgar-journalists
You have already posted your obligatory Hillary passive aggressive bashing story so you got that one out of the way.
geg6
The reporter on CBS This Morning was really bummed that there was nothing there. Tried to make some hay with the Blumenthal stuff but it was desultory and she admitted that he was just passing along what he was learning through his business and government contacts about the situation there. Nothing at all juicy or exciting.
JPL
TMZ is reporting that the Duggar’s show is being taken off the air. I can’t imagine why because that whole affair made them closer to god.
Amir Khalid
@samiam:
At best, this speech is about as politically significant as Obama’s comedy routine at the annual White House Correspondents’ Dinner. Christie’s material is reportedly cruder and more derogatory than Obama’s, like the man himself — no surprises there. But this was a much more private event than the WHCD and, per agreement, Christie’s speech was not meant to be reported. If the people being roasted have no objections, others have no real grounds for complaint.
JPL
The press will never be happy because of all the gossip about previous scandals.
geg6
@JPL:
I would find this hilarious and the aftermath vastly amusing if there weren’t a bunch of young women who have been assaulted and have had no help at all for it. In fact, the one person who really could have helped them turned out to be a pedophile himself. Unfuckingbelievable. But not really, considering the source.
Valdivia
I liked that she used Calm and Carry On. I am sure the wingnut entrepreneurs and their abettors in the Village will find something to be utterly outraged about.
Valdivia
@samiam:
hmm the headline ‘Christie wows crowd’ does not really match the story, or it could just be me.
jl
Bombshell is McCain’s foreign policy adviser sent HRC a complimentary email.
OK, McCain is toast. AZ nutcases will go after him. Won’t be able to be a Senator until he is 100 now. Very sad.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@samiam:
Why do you care? Christie is politically dead. He’s not running for president.
japa21
@samiam: I looked at earlier posts but I must have missed the Hillary bashing one. Where was it?
Germy Shoemangler
Today’s NYTimes says that the Hillary camp is worried about going up against Rubio. He’s got the youth, the charisma, the oratory.
I’m not sure I believe it.
Roger Moore
@Germy Shoemangler:
“Don’t throw me in the briar patch!”
Valdivia
@jl: I still can’t believe he is running again.
japa21
@Germy Shoemangler: I’m sure I don’t believe it. First of all it would mean they are worried Rubio could actually win the nomination and they are smart enough to know that ain’t gonna happen.
Chickamin Slam
But the Sunday pundits will be like “But is it really her email?” “How can we be sure that this is really her emails?” And the appeal for more transparency.
Aleta
@geg6: The less that is there, the more opportunity for sound and fury signifying nothing?
Germy Shoemangler
Here is the article
“Prospect of Hillary Clinton-Marco Rubio Matchup Unnerves Democrats”
SatanicPanic
@JPL: GOOD. Can we ban the whole TLC network while we’re at it?
Villago Delenda Est
@JPL: Reality will fail to reach the heights of derp that the Village was sure would be there in their wild fantasies that would strain the limits of Rule 34.
Of course they’re going to be crestfallen, the vile twits.
Mike J
@JPL:
Meanwhile:
SatanicPanic
@Chickamin Slam: I hate to be like this, but male pattern baldness is pretty much a disqualifier. I’m not saying it should be, just that it is.
Germy Shoemangler
@Peale:
I remember how Karl Rove & Co.’s talking points conflicted with each other.
First it was “She’s faking! She’s afraid to testify!”
Then it was “She’s wear dark glasses! She’s brain-damaged! Unfit! Just sayin’!”
Betty Cracker
@Germy Shoemangler: He’s also dumber than a bag of hammers. But I actually do worry about Rubio more than an opponent like Jeb because Rubio’s candidacy would so neatly fit a corporate media narrative: plucky young upstart battles tired old crone, with the endless references to the “Clinton Restoration” and puff pieces on Rubio’s appeal to a new generation. He’s not qualified to run a McDonald’s, let alone the country, but that doesn’t matter.
Roger Moore
@Chickamin Slam:
I don’t think the question will be whether these are truly her emails; it will be about selective retention and publication. This isn’t anything like all of her emails, just a select few that State has chosen to publish, and those from the ones that Hillary chose to turn over. Dedicated conspiracy believers will always be able to claim that Hillary and/or the State Department have chosen not to show us the smoking gun.
Valdivia
@Germy Shoemangler:
That is the second article this week (or two weeks) in which they make Rubio out to be a wunderkid.
This one is full of blind sources and people that have nothing to do with her campaign.
@Betty Cracker: I think there will be a stage when that is true, but the media will start looking at his history in FL and he will tarnish. Walker will also bury him I think.
Knowbody
“Days Without Meaningless Hillary Balloon Juice Post” sign set to 0.
I believe the maximum that number has gotten to since she announced her candidacy has been what, 2? Maybe 3?
Just think, 535 more days of this to go!
Aleta
@geg6: And unlikely to be prosecuted since he’s already in jail, but that would have helped to keep the focus on the harm to the women. Chilling that the public records have been destroyed ‘at the request of one victim,’ coinciding with the WaPo request for them. And, how does that destruction of records by request work when there are other victims, covered by at least one other charge? It seems like multiple victims were included in the same charge(s), which could then be concealed at the request of one? I’m not clear on this, but if true, it don’t seem right.
Germy Shoemangler
@Valdivia:
I read Charles Pierce and his “stepping on rakes” stories about Marco, and then I read the NYTimes wunderkid stories and I think “are they talking about the same person?”
And it makes me deeply suspicious of the NYTimes.
geg6
@Mike J:
Doesn’t ol’ Huck have a kid who is a known animal torturer? Like stick with like.
srv
Hopefully Yellen will do to Obama what Volcker did to Carter. Then we don’t have to worry about Hillary.
Can’t even keep the bond market open – you’ll be wishing you’d privatized your SS now.
Amir Khalid
@Germy Shoemangler:
Rubio is younger, prettier and more Hispanic than Hillary. But there’s a stark difference between them in intellectual substance that doesn’t favour him.
Valdivia
@Germy Shoemangler:
as @Betty Cracker: says, he fits the he’s the GOP Obama narrative and they will stick to it as long as they can, but sooner or later they will turn, and the fraud will be revealed.
Also: why do they say he is a super talented speaker? I never get that impression of him.
shell
I don’t know if youth is number 1 on my presidential fitness list. Coming across as having more than a lick of sense comes first.
Hal
Off topic, but this is so Damon stupid.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/15/wisconsin-gop-passes-bill-banning-poor-people-from-buying-shellfish-potatoes-and-ketchup/
Germy Shoemangler
@Amir Khalid:
Would it be cynical of her to pick Julian Castro as a running mate if it came to facing Marco in the general?
Germy Shoemangler
@Hal: So the minimum-wage cashiers have to enforce this? Keep a long list of forbidden foods next to the register, and say “sorry, not allowed.”
If I were a cashier in Wisconsin, I’d want a raise because of the extra responsibility of carrying out government policy. Which might eliminate the need for food assistance in the first place.
Betty Cracker
@Valdivia: I think his unique talent is that while he’s every bit as dumb as Palin or GWB, he can say dumb things in a semi-coherent manner. A low bar for sure, but considering the challenges involved for someone of his limited abilities, it’s a feat on par with a guinea pig making a crepe. I’m hoping the one decent thing he ever tried to do (albeit for cynical reasons), immigration reform, will doom him with the mouth-breathers who vote in GOP primaries.
NotMax
Dribble, dribble, dribble.
29,700 to go.
*sigh*
Amir Khalid
@Germy Shoemangler:
Strictly on the merits, I think Julian Castro would make a pretty good VP choice even if he weren’t Hispanic. Rubio’s problem with Hispanic voters, as I understand, is that he doesn’t seem to share their concerns. It might just put Jeb off picking him as a running mate.
Villago Delenda Est
@Amir Khalid: His “Hispanic” qualifications, like Rafael Cruz’s, are likely not to be of the slightest fucking interest or appeal to the vast majority of Hispanics, who are of Mexican, Central American, and Puerto Rican origin, not Cuban, and the Cubans are pretty much despised by the other three groups.
Valdivia
@Betty Cracker:
he seems also to have gone full extra super neocon which will not play well (together with his betray the latino community) in all the demos that the NYT says will flock to him. We latinos know when a cuban is trying to sell us gato por liebre!
@Villago Delenda Est: or what you jus said before me.
Fair Economist
I’m eager to see a matchup between Hillary and “house of cards” Rubio – but then again, Hillary vs. Jeb looks pretty good, as does Hillary vs Walker “the Grinch”, and Hillary vs. “Two-Face” Paul, and…
The Klown Kar occupants are the sort that have gotten Obama his reputation as “lucky in his choice of adversaries”.
azlib
@Amir Khalid:
Right. Don’t forget 2000. Intellectual heft did not exactly carry Gore to the White House.
Fair Economist
@Amir Khalid:
Jeb won’t pick Rubio because of the rule against having both a Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidate from the same state. But after the Iraq War question fiasco, which now seems to have resulted in the whole can of worms about faked intelligence getting opened, I think Jeb’s chances are slim anyway.
Valdivia
@Amir Khalid:
Castro would be an excellent choice. And I think you put your finger on the one thing no one seems to pay attention to: Rubio and Cruz may be hispanic/latino but their policies do not relfect at all those of the community they are supposed to attract. It’s the Palin play all over again.
@Fair Economist: the rule would allow them to be from the same state but they would lose the electors from FL and that is a while lot of electoral votes. Jeb could change state if that were the case. Texas again!
Tree With Water
The corporations that own the People’s Airwaves are in the business of selling fairy tales to adults.
From plots to war to the ecological catastrophe BP inflicted on the Gulf of Mexico, from Wall Street thievery to subversion of our democracy by the emerging security state, fantastical stories and bald face lies are what the corporate employees of the Public Airwaves are paid to sell (employees such as Maddow and Hayes are like the token black actors in 1960 TV shows, being both tolerated and ballyhooed in like fashion by their shot-callers). Charles Pierce of Esquire.com first quotes a CNN broadcast transcript, and further illustrates that very point:
..”Facing considerable backlash and deep skepticism over her use of a private server as she makes her second bid for the White House, Clinton asked State to make her emails public this past March, and repeated her public push to have them released on the campaign trail this week”.
[Pierce]: …then I guess the release of the first batch of 296 e-mails from Hillary Rodham Clinton’s days as Secretary of State is quite the event for you. A more skeptical observer might ask: a) What “considerable backlash”? and b) Whose “deep skepticism”?
Betty Cracker
@azlib: That’s exactly why I don’t dismiss Rubio’s chances, should he secure the nomination (which I doubt). Everyone expected Gore to wipe the floor up with Junior Bush in the debates, and he did. But the expectations were so rigged that all Junior Bush had to do was not visibly drool or soil himself to outperform expectations. And if we think the corporate media went out of their way to dump buckets of shit on Al Gore’s head, just imagine how eager they’ll be to train a feces fire hose on HRC…
Elizabelle
Yeah, when I saw it was going to be a Friday dump, I thought “sh*t.”
However, this is Memorial Day weekend. Can the Sunday shows and Very Serious People have less of an audience?
sparrow
@Hal: what the fuck? What is the point of banning canned peas? Pork and beans? These are the kinds of things I see shoved into the “feed the poors” bin at my local store so clearly plenty of people think that’s a reasonable thing to be eating. This just seems like a list designed to make it extra humiliating to be poor. Fucking terrible people. I really loathe them.
Elizabelle
Haven’t read it, and not about HillaryBenghazi, but this looked like it might be fun:
NYTimes: Mark Leibovich (yes, author of This Town about Saint Timothy Russert):
Let’s Make the Republican Debates More, Not Less, of a Circus
Although he gets off to a bad start with this non-fact, second paragraph in:
As of now, the Republicans do not have a SINGLE viable candidate (for actually winning the Presidency).
It’s the only thing that allows me sleep at night.
(When I could be better up, awake, trading music links with little boots, omnes, and Steeplejack.)
Amir Khalid
@Hal:
I wonder if someone decided that banning food purchases altogether was tempting, but would give the game away.
Valdivia
@Elizabelle:
some sunday shows are being pre-empted by a Monaco Car race so I think we have our answer!
Hal
@Germy Shoemangler: apparently a software upgrade to the tune of 55 million is needed.
Elizabelle
I didn’t read it, but this dud landed in my NYTimes “alerts” email this morning:
Prospect of Hillary Clinton-Marco Rubio Matchup Unnerves Democrats
WHAT Democrats?
THEY are apparently using those words about Marco Rubio.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Yatsuno
@Germy Shoemangler: Oh holy Jeebus fuck. There is so much tone-deaf bullshit in that article you could fertilise crops for decades with it.
Whoever these unnamed Democrats are should be fired. If they aren’t smart enough to understand the resentment most Hispanics have for Cubans they are privileged idiots. The whole article screams Villager spin.
Valdivia
@Elizabelle:
am I the only one who finds he doughy and totally not ‘appealing’ ‘charismatic’?
@Yatsuno: I have been waiting with baited breath to find you in a thread to say hi. Hi! :)
shawn
@Knowbody: That is what political blogs do. I have been casting about for lunch time blog reading since Andrew Sullivan quit – his blog had a lot of quality, varied content that would happily take the right or left to task as needed. I found this blog through his and it is one of the few my awesome work IE computer machine can work with so here I am every day. Some days are better than others but variance is really not the strong suit here – and for a blog that has picked a side (which is fine) why would there be? To be fair, we run for president WAY too long in this country (and waste WAY too much money) and this blog comments on the “news” of the day – they are just working with what they have. That they can feel superior to sports commenters with a straight face is a mystery but whatever.
By the by, we could have the election today Hillary versus fill in the blank and get almost the exact same result 18 months from now. There is essentially nothing she, or whomever her opponent will be, can do to change the mind of somebody who would or would not vote for her.
Redshift
@Betty Cracker: Then I guess we should be happy that they’re praising Rubio to the skies. (Or alternatively, the anonymous Democratic sources are actually being clever in portraying him as a major threat.)
Elizabelle
@Valdivia: So lovely to see you here.
Got to shower and hit I-95 on Memorial Day weekend (gag) in a few.
Heading to Richmond to see the Psychedelic Furs at the National tonight.
Sounds like tickets are still available, and they’re a great live band.
They play Leesburg on June 2nd. Maybe we’ll do a New Wave BJ meetup at the Tally Ho.
dogwood
Has anyone here heard from the Clinton campaign yet? I’ve been waiting for her to hit me up for money, but so far, nothing.
Elizabelle
@Germy Shoemangler: Did not realize you got there first with that infernal article.
Whereas, you seem to have read it. Whereas I just laughed.
Yatsuno
@Valdivia: Hello hello hello! I have been SUPER busy with being alone in my office and getting things ready for my surgery. I’ll be around a lot more after the Big Chop, which I’ll drop an e-mail to AL about here soon. Meet-ups in my rehab room can be a thing!
Elizabelle
@Betty Cracker: That is genuinely scary.
One can never forget how much the thumb is on the scale for Republicans with the press corpse.
beltane
Wildly OT, but I am looking forward to this evening’s referendum results in Ireland.
Gex
@Germy Shoemangler: Actually retailers will be forced to spend time and money making sure their POS systems that interface with EBT and WIC will have to make updates to systems.
THIS IS A HIDDEN TAX ON OUR JORB CREATORS AND THEY SHOULD COMPLAIN LOUDLY!
Valdivia
@Elizabelle:
enjoy the concert and have a great holiday weekend. Maybe we can finally get our own meetup going after my summer class gets going and I have it under control.
@Yatsuno:
will be keeping fingers crossed for the big chop. And you have to let us know how it’s all going. Rehab meetup sound good as long as we can bring some good vino or champagne to keep your spirits up.
FlipYrWhig
@Hal: Is that list drawn up by ALEC or by the Soylent Corporation?
Yatsuno
@beltane: An Irish friend made a good point: he wants it to pass but he doubts it will get rid of the homphobia that exists there. He used the fact that pubs are putting up signs in support but if two lads are kissing there they’d get kicked out. I’m hopeful for a positive result, but without some underlying civil rights protections it could be problematic.
Betty Cracker
@Redshift: Kinda doubt it will play out that way. The Beltway media types are fully capable of talking Rubio up during the primaries and then portraying him as an innocent little lamb vs the Wicked Witch in the general. IIRC, that was the tactic they took with Junior Bush, praising his savvy and ruthlessness in dispatching McCain and then painting Bush v Gore as David v Goliath all the way to the Supreme Court.
Elizabelle
@Valdivia: I would love that! You just let us know on timing, and we will make it happen.
My summer wish is to meet elmo and some of our Southern Maryland/DC contingent.
We can travel. Work with us!
Valdivia
@Betty Cracker:
I just don’t see it playing that way with Rubio. Whatever I may think fo W Bush (all bad) Rubio is just not up to the job, even Fox interviews undo him. But that may be just me, he seems utterly unimpressive.
catclub
@Hal:
If you go and read the bill, it says that at least 67% of SNAP must be for items on the WIC approved list, plus fresh vegtables and meats. So it does not actually ban any of those items. It bans crab lobster and shellfish.
the WIC approved list is from the federal government
Betty Cracker
@Valdivia: You may be right. I hope you are.
NotMax
@Valdivia
He’s not ready for prime time. Hell, he’s not ready for Sunrise Semester. (Oldsters will recognize the reference.)
Wanna bet his lectern at the “debate” will be the only one without a bottle of water?
dogwood
I’d say if there really are democrats who fear Rubio because he’s young, handsome, and Hispanic, they most likely come from the Geraldine Ferraro wing of the party.
germy shoemangler
@Elizabelle: I am a glutton for punishment. I read it, and my lunch repeated on me.
FlipYrWhig
@Valdivia: @Betty Cracker: Plus the saving grace of Dubsie Bush was that even if he came across as a doofus we were supposed to feel assured that his dad’s crew were all responsible sorts, like Colin Powell, James Baker, and Dick Cheney, so how bad could it _really_ be? Rubio doesn’t have that.
germy shoemangler
@NotMax: or an upside-down water bottle with sipping tube for hands-free hydration.
trollhattan
@Peale:
Pretty sure that qualifies her to be a paid conservative poli-blogger.
Tree With Water
@Elizabelle: I traveled back east decades ago to tour Civil War battlefields. It was on the thoroughfare that brought me into Leesburg that I conjured in mind’s eye the Army of Northern Virginia, marching north to a fight along the Antietam. It came to me as in a vision. I experienced a few such episodes on that tour. For example, while my blood didn’t quite run cold when I laid eyes on a ‘Welcome To Spotsylvania County’ road marker, it was an impactful moment, knowing what I did of the terrible fight at the Court House. I envy you easterners your historical backyards.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@azlib:
As I like to remind people, Gore WON the popular vote. A majority of Americans wanted him to be president. Sadly, a small number of conservatives — including 5 Supreme Court justices — decided otherwise.
Valdivia
@FlipYrWhig: @Betty Cracker:
not only that: the ‘be scared out of your wits’ theme would work if he had any experience or gravitas, but the young and new image with the die scared thematics is totally counterproductive. the bigger guantanamo, more war, etc won’t play like it did in 2004. I think, hope.
@NotMax: that’s how I see him though I have seen a lot of pundits who are usually ok slobber over him, so I may be wrong. I don’t think I am though! :)
NotMax
@Tree with Water
Did you happen to get to Cedar Creek?
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Valdivia:
Rubio is not The Right Kind of People. He didn’t go to the right prep schools and his relatives never appeared in the Social Register. He’s not going to get the kind of protection W did.
NotMax
@Valdivia
The same ones who slobbered over Gingrich, then Cain, then the next flavor of the month.
trollhattan
@shawn: One must leave oneself open to the first Hillary v. [kitchen appliance] debate where [kitchen appliance] lands a couple blows, Hillary seems disinterested and Andrew Sullivan births a beagle, live on teevee.
Hey, could happen.
juanechien
@Amir Khalid: Jeb CAN’T choose him as a running mate. The Constitution says Prez and VP cannot be from the same state.
Tom Q
Labelling Marco Rubio charismatic is devaluing the word to such a degree you might as well be speaking a different language. Seriously: FDR, JFK, Clinton, Obama…and Rubio? Who can say that with a straight face?
You folks are such worry-warts. Some vapid journalist writes a silly article a year and half from the election, and you get all worried? Hillary’s a very strong candidate, and no one on the GOP side can run fully free of the party taint. If the economy just holds decently, Hillary will have a strong advantage over anybody.
Villago Delenda Est
@dogwood: Hillary’s been sending me emails asking for money.
Villago Delenda Est
@juanechien: Didn’t stop the deserting coward from picking the Dark Lord, who just in the nick of time decided that his Wyoming vacation home was his real residence, not his spread in Dallas.
Ruckus
@Betty Cracker:
Pretty sure he’s not qualified to clean the restrooms in a McDs.
Tree With Water
@NotMax: I regret to say, no. We passed it on the turnpike, but were under such a time constraint that we didn’t stop. I mucked the original timetable all up when I insisted on seeing the surrender field at Yorktown. It was a hell of a lot further there and back from Richmond than I judged. Yorktown was worth it, though.
trollhattan
@Tom Q:
Rubio’s only shot at perceived charisma is when standing next to the other Republican candidates. “I like that not-insane one, dear.”
As soon as he steps away, however….
Wasn’t Paul Ryan supposed to be some kind of economics savant? How’d that work out?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Hal: Pork ‘n Beans? Really? My dad and sister survived the Great Depression eating Pork ‘n Beans.
catclub
@juanechien:
I think Cheney established Wyoming residence in about 5 minutes after he realized this. He was living in Texas at the time.
From USA Today
catclub
@BillinGlendaleCA: Note my correction at #76. The poster that Hal linked to cannot really read.
Calouste
@beltane: Counting won’t start until tomorrow morning (Irish time), so unless you plan to stay up really late, you won’t find out.
dogwood
@Villago Delenda Est:
Interesting. I’ve heard nothing. Were you a Hillary supporter the last time? Because I gave quite a bit to Obama, and expected to be targeted. Maybe she’s just hitting up former donors first.
Calouste
@juanechien: That’s not true. What 12th Amendment states is that
So both the President and the VP can be from the same state, but they can’t both receive votes from the Electors of that state. Which of course, if it involves a large state and a close election, is going to be a bit of a problem. But it is legal.
Germy Shoemangler
@dogwood: We’re getting emails from Obama saying he will do everything he can to get democrats elected in 2016. Well, not him personally, I know. We donated to his campaigns, so we’re on his list.
Nothing from HRC. Still an occasional missive from Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Valdivia
@Tom Q:
I totally agree (see above). I am actually baffled that anyone thinks he is this super star. My only worry is the media’s penchant for creating a narrative, but as @Mnemosyne (iPhone): says he won’t get the kind of protection W had.
@NotMax:
I actually saw someone’s article a few years ago (can’t remember who, it was a liberal blogger) saying to watch out for Rubio he was super talented. So while the usual pundits will swoon for each new flavor of the month, some people I respect say this guy has talent. I just can’t wrap my head around that.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Villago Delenda Est: Well, she’s not banking on speaking anymore and lives in a van in Iowa.
mai naem mobile
@Hal: why the mozzarella and other cheese? I thought Wisconsin was a big.cheese state??. I would understand imported cheeses but some cheap pasta recipes.specifically call for.mozzarella. And white rice? Why? Baked beans? Again? When I was growing up baked beans on toast was considered a nutritious cheap meal. Bulk items. Jeezus. These people are The Stoopid.
Betty Cracker
@Valdivia: This is weird, but I think having to admit his parents fled Cuba before Castro seized power took some wind out of Rubio’s sails. No reason it should have; there’s nothing in the world wrong with one’s parents coming to the US for greater economic prospects. But he really seemed to relish that “My parents weren’t immigrants; they were exiles” line, and of course it made all old ladies all over South Florida swoon and fan themselves.
Ghost of Joe Liebling's Dog
@juanechien:
An elector can’t vote for a president and a VP who are both from the elector’s state.
Of course, either ¡Jeb! or Rubio could establish residence outside FL, which wd solve that leetle problem.
Why, I’ve heard that some states will consider you a resident on just your deeply-held belief that they should — unless you also believe that would qualify you as a resident for college-tuition purposes, in which case get the hell out of Wyoming ’cause no discount for you, moocher.
Theoretically speaking, of course.
dogwood
@Germy Shoemangler:
Yeah, I get email from Obama , Warren , Franken, Sherrod Brown, and even Paul Begalia on almost a daily basis. I’ll be happy to give her some money, but not until the campaign can show me they are organized enough to actually ask for it.
trollhattan
@Betty Cracker:
Kind of like my great-grandparents could claim to have fought in WWII by ensuring my father would be born to handle that a few decades later.
Germy Shoemangler
The Causes of the Depression from 1931, an early satire from British Pathé. One of Jon Stewart’s influences.
Tree With Water
@Betty Cracker: Rubio wants to be perceived as some kind of Al Pacino-in-Scarface type guy, minus the cocaine and murder. But it’s like Cary Grant once said (and I paraphrase), “I’d like to be Cary Grant, too. Who wouldn’t”?
Baud
I don’t know how Ted Cruz’s ego can handle all this Rubio talk.
mai naem mobile
I was listening to some pundit this week, don’t remember who, but they were seriously comparing Rubio to JFK. Seriously. I was born after JFK but even I can see how JFKs charisma just oozes off the screen. It’s amazing Nixon came as close as he did to winning in ’60. The anti Catholicism was either virulent or the JFK campaign wasn’t run all that well.
Valdivia
@Betty Cracker:
Totally agree. He wanted his story to be not ‘just’ an immigrant story (that would have been enough as you note) but a ‘fight agaisnt the evil of communism’ story. And it just wasn’t. Also: the most dramatic kind of Cuban exile story is actually Menendez’s who I believe came to the US as a child with the Pedro Pan airlift for children. Now that is dramatic. Rubio can’t equal that.
Aleta
@catclub:
(or anyone)
Is there an explanation (or origin) for why SNAP would be partially using the WIC list instead of simply having its own? I can’t seem to find when it happened. I know WIC was originally designed for the high nutrition needs of pregnant women and young kids, so fine, but why would SNAP need to even partially exclude other nutritious food from older families? White rice is a 2-3 meals/day staple for many families, for example. Are lobbyists (or ALEC) involved with this legislation at all ?
Bobby Thomson
@dogwood: Micky Kaus and the goat blowing wing, more likely.
Valdivia
@Tree With Water:
only wrinkle would be that the Scarface story is from the time of the marielitos which would mean his family or him were criminals who went from jail to the boats. :) Now that would make him more interesting in my mind!
mai naem mobile
I.know.he’s not as well known as Julian Castro, but I find Dept of Labor Secretary Tom Perez does a better job in interviews than Castro but Castro is more.charismatic and has the more interesting story.
bemused
@Gex:
I would think this would cost the state a lot of money. Suspicious me wonders which companies getting the work have friends in high Republican places.
Aleta
@Aleta: And would this list exclude or limit shopping at the farmer’s markets that do take SNAP?
Mandalay
@Valdivia:
And even more importantly, Rubio knowingly repeatedly lied about it. There is no way under the moon and stars that he ever believed his parents fled Cuba after Castro took over. The lying slimebag was just too stupid to realize that he would eventually get found out.
Roger Moore
@Betty Cracker:
Being the child of economic migrants isn’t what hurt him. Being shown up as a bullshitter who was trying to hook into an immigration story that wasn’t his is what hurt him. Like it or not, voters actually care about authenticity, especially for that kind of thing. They really do not like it when people lie about their family histories because they think it makes a better political story.
debbie
@catclub:
I don’t think I knew this, but it would explain the resentment when he was pimping Liz for office.
Stillwater
“I’ll be nursing my cracked head and cheering you on as you ‘remain calm and carry on!”
Well, in this one sentence she admits she’s taking drugs, advocates liberal passivity in the face of existential dangers, and ends with a thinly veiled Communistical propaganda slogan.
I mean, I still vote for her, but ….
Cckids
@sparrow:
This. And RICE?? Rice is the #1 way to stretch the protein & veggies you can (maybe) afford to feed everyone & fill them up. So white rice isn’t perfect nutritionally-guess what? It’s what most people know & use. That list makes me stabby.
sukabi
@Betty Cracker: he’ll, he can’t manage his own finances, (home in foreclosure), that alone should disqualify him from running.
sukabi
@sukabi: adding, that a mortgage of $135,000.00 shouldn’t have been a huge financial burden to 2 congressmen… link
Tree With Water
@Germy Shoemangler: The youth, the charisma, the oratory, the bag, the hammers- Rubio’s got it all.
Tree With Water
@Germy Shoemangler: One last thing. It’s one thing for “Hillary’s camp” to say as much, but if they really believe it, the democratic party is in deeper shit than I imagined.
opiejeanne
@Roger Moore: Were there refugees of the Batista Regime? I was a little kid and I remember seeing a news report on the atrocities committed in Cuba under him, but I don’t know if we granted asylum to Cubans at that time.
ralphb
That Rubio article in the NYT has the mark of GOP ratfuckers all over it.
fuckwit
@shell: @azlib: The youth of today is more serious, less tolerant of bullshit, more socially aware and adept, more conscious of the severe and difficult problems that they face (economically, environmentally, etc.) than the previous generation of us 40-somethings and 50-somethings who grew up with Alex Keaton and Reagan and “morning in america”. The young generation grew up with the internet and wikipedia and instant access to any information on anything anytime. They don’t tolerate dumbasses. It was my generation that gave the world “Beavis and Butthead” and “Jackass”. The younger generation gave us Occupy and #blacklivesmatter and bornthisway.
I think the younger generation can tell that Obama is smart and serious, and Rubio is a male barbie doll in a suit. If the Rove clowns think that they can win young people by being young(er), and Hispanic voters by being nominally Hispanic, they are just as wrong as when they thought they could win women voters with Sarah Palin. Young people are not stupid. Women are not stupid. Latinos are not stupid. If you give these folks a serious, experienced, historic candidate who is on their side, versus someone who appears to be of “their tribe” but is clearly working against their interests, they will not take the bait. Clinton will roll over this Rubio character like a steamroller. Sorry Karl, go back in your hole.
fuckwit
@Valdivia: : The Scarface story was about Italians in Chicago in the 1930s. It was rebooted in the 1980s and they decided to set it in Florida with Marielitos to give it a hip Miami Vice kind of vibe. That movie did not age well; it seems just as dated and set in the 80s as the original Scarface was dated and set in the Prohibition era.