You’re just so precious.
Regrettable word choice: “This is not your grandmother’s super PAC.” Chief exec of @GovernorOMalley’s super PAC. Ageism has no place in 2016
— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) May 28, 2015
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Jerzy Russian
What is the point of all of this?
Seanly
Oh, you’re not agreeing with Peter Daou, right? Seems like an innocuous saying there. Not sure that’s how I’d describe a super PAC, but it’s hardly offensive.
Helen
See that racial bingo matrix below? We need a “republican candidate” one. I’m watching Pataki announce. He is hitting EVERY Republican talking point. He’s gonna get rid of Obamacare. He’s gonna fire all IRS employees who abuse their power. He’s gonna get all those moochers off of welfare.
Oh and this: “No one is above the law – even if you are a former secretary of state who’s name happens to be Clinton.”
What does that even mean? He’s gonna indict Clinton?
We need a drinking game. DRINK when Pataki says Bureaucrat!!!!
Frankensteinbeck
John, I can’t tell if you’re being snarky, or you think Clinton did something wrong here.
srv
White male papist democrats are always offensive at BJ.
benw
@Helen: one drink for each Benghazi! Two drinks for each “States’ rights!”
Iowa Old Lady
@Seanly: Maybe not a big thing, but I notice the change to “grandmother” over “father,” which is more common. I doubt if using an older, female form is an accident.
Betty Cracker
Daou was one of the most tedious, butt-hurt PUMAs back in the day. Looks like nothing’s changed.
Amir Khalid
@Iowa Old Lady:
Well, as everyone knows, Hillary’s a grandmother. I can sense the not-so-subtle dig at her age. I don’t think Peter Daou is imagining it.
Frankensteinbeck
Is John’s argument that because some asshole – and his assholery is tepid at best in this instance – supports Hillary Clinton, everyone who doesn’t hate her is wrong by association? Again, I can’t tell if this is snark, or what.
Cervantes
@Iowa Old Lady:
I agree.
@Amir Khalid:
Same here.
And I doubt this sort of thing helps anyone, really.
Betty Cracker
@Iowa Old Lady & @Amir Khalid: I agree it’s deliberate. O’Malley’s slogan or tagline or whatever you want to call it also invokes his relative youth — it’s something like “Generation Forward” — and his video allegedly features a “passing the torch” image, all meant to subtly say, “Hey, vote for dewy 52-year-old me instead of that old bag Hillary!”
But is that out of line? Hillary herself mentions her status as a grandma all the time.
Frankensteinbeck
@Betty Cracker:
I don’t think it’s worth him reacting strongly to, but then, I don’t think his overreaction is worth reacting strongly to. Who cares that one guy is a little more upset by a mild bigotry than it deserves?
NonyNony
@Jerzy Russian:
Cole’s trolling his commenters again.
@Iowa Old Lady:
Eh – I was thinking the same thing, but a quick Google search on the phrases “not your grandmother’s” and “not your father’s” doesn’t really show a major difference between the two trigrams. (Roughly 500K for father vs. 400K for grandmother). When you throw in the lower numbers for “not your dad’s” vs. “not your grandma’s” it washes out completely. Not terribly scientific, of course, but close enough to suggest to me that it might be a regional thing or something. (I could swear that “not your father’s” X was the more common construction, though – I may have to wait for Language Log to weigh in on this one. I found this one about the “not your R’s X” from 2006 and the numbers are hilariously smaller than the ones I get now. Also the example that gets used is “not your grandmother’s” – suggesting to me that I’m just not talking to the right people… ).
Mary G
It raised my hackles a bit. YMMV.
Betty Cracker
@Frankensteinbeck: If you apply the “who cares” standard, blogging is so OVER! ;-)
mdblanche
@Helen: So just what distinguishes Pataki from all the other klowns in the kavalkade? Why should somebody already supporting one of the other 2700 candidates offering the same exact thing switch to supporting Pataki instead?
PurpleGirl
@Helen: Let me tell you something about Peekskill — It was once the largest city in northwestern Westchester County. It’s right on the Hudson River, you can get there by MetroNorth, but not actually into the downtown business center. That’s about a mile up from the river, up because it’s nice hike up from the train station. Buses only run to train during the morning and evening rush hours during the work week. At any other time you need a car or else you can find yourself walking up and having to cross Route 9A (not really recommended as there is no traffic light. My friends lived on North James Street, on the last actual block in Peekskill. There was a McDonald’s in a smallish strip mall that was part of a reconstruction project. The McDonald’s CLOSED in 1984.There were several lots that had had their buildings torn down for urban renewal… as of when I last was in Peekskill (1993, when my friends moved to Boca Raton), they hadn’t been redeveloped. I still remember losing the McD’s because I walk there, get breakfast and then walk to train station. Walking down was okay, walking up was a lot harder.
Peekskill began losing its industrial sites just after World War II, They never regained, instead becoming a bedroom community for NYC and other parts of Westchester.
Bobby Thomson
Daou is a buffoon. The grandmother thing is part of her branding this time.
Amir Khalid
@Betty Cracker:
@Frankensteinbeck:
Yes, I also agree that this kind of thing isn’t about to make Hillary curl up on the floor and weep. Political campaigns take sly digs at each other all the time; that’s how you play the game, after all. It might be an overreaction on Daou’s part to call it regrettable, like asking the ref to yellow-card an opponent for a trivial foul, but not by much.
Bobby Thomson
@Frankensteinbeck: yes, that is his argument.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jerzy Russian: making fun of Peter Daou, because
Sometimes snark is just snark
I don’t think O’Malley is or will be the primary opponent who gives the Clinton camp the most grief.
the Conster
@Bobby Thomson:
Exactly this. I will always remember him for this piece of excrement. He got a raft of well deserved shit for it here, too. It was one of BJ’s finest hours.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
No. Not by leaps and bounds and miles and leagues and lightyears.
geg6
@Amir Khalid:
Especially when Hillary is branding herself as a “grandmother’ this time around. Seems perfectly legitimate to me and I’m in the Hillbot demo (even if I’m not one).
Frankensteinbeck
@Bobby Thomson: and @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I am getting mixed signals here.
Cervantes
@PurpleGirl: Also the site [*] of the so-called “Peekskill Riots” in ’49, when Paul Robeson [**] came to inflict Marx and melanin on the good people of the lower Hudson Valley.
[*] The riots actually took place in the next town over.
[**] By coincidence we were discussing Paul Robeson namesakes just this morning.
RaflW
Peter Daou. Per his own twatter bio: Former advisor to Hillary Clinton and John Kerry.
So, yeah, whatevs.
RaflW
Hmmm.
Now that I know that “Peter was a sought-after keyboardist, engineer and producer, appearing on recordings by Bjork, Miles Davis, Diana Ross and Mariah Carey, among many others” I think I am shifting and will pay rapt attention to his political 140 character utterances.
(Actually, I think it’s fine for a musician to also have a political life. I just think being a minor synth-pop ‘star’ in the 90s is amusing.)
Cacti
Yeah, I’d say it’s a fairly obvious dig at Clinton’s age.
But, whatevs.
Bill
@Betty Cracker:
And isn’t the age of a candidate relevant? I’m supporting old man Sanders in the primary and I fully expect him to have to answer questions about whether a man of 73 can manage the rigors of being president. Shouldn’t Hillary have to address those same questions? Aren’t barbs about age well within bounds in a civil campaign?
lethargytartare
finally, a candidate for my generation!
Bill
@PurpleGirl:
Also it was the setting for The Facts Of Life. So it’s got that going for it.
SatanicPanic
Who cares about O’Malley anyway? He has no chance
Keith G
In a workspace where language is parsed within an inch of its life, of course the statement was intentional. And it was a dig However, not all digs are worth responding to. This one merited more of an, “Oh come on now. Really?” from the likes of Daou.
That young man needs to be rather cautious. His smart ass-ery is going to lead to him walking into a buzzsaw.
schrodinger's cat
Oh noes, has John G. Cole become the Sully of blogging? Criticizing any and everything about Hillary Clinton, even if it is tangentially related to her?
P.S. Not a die-hard Clinton fan, but this was most certainly a dig at her age and gender. Grandmas should be fussing over grandchildren and leave the ship of state in more able male Republican hands.
askew
@Betty Cracker:
That is an understatement. He ended up banned from Daily Kos if I remember correctly.
It’s like every asshole from the 2007-08 primary wars has crawled out of the woodwork. Has Larry Johnson found the whitey tape yet?
srv
We creep ever closer to the Event Horizon of Political Correctness.
Punchy
@Betty Cracker: what’s PUMA stand for again?
Kay
@Bill:
It’s weird because she is addressing it, and in a (I think) smart way:
The speech was to a state democratic womens caucus, and, having been to some of those, they would think it was great for her to bring it up, I suspect.
There’s always the difference between what one says about themselves and what other people say about them.
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: It’s clearly a dig about Clinton’s age (pretty mild as that sort of thing goes), but I don’t see the sexism angle at all.
Betty Cracker
@Punchy: Propping Up McCain’s Ass.
askew
@Bill:
They are completely relevant. If Hillary wins the general elections, she’ll be the 2nd oldest president in history. I personally think she is too old to be president just like I thought McCain and Dole were too old.
I do think there needs to be some finesse with making this argument though and this certainly isn’t it. And it helps for people to know who you are before you start launching negative attacks. As an O’Malley supporter, I am not impressed with this tactic. Though he is right, that Hillary’s age should be a factor in the election.
I do think there is a portion of Hillary’s team/supporters who is ready to cry sexism on any negative attack against her and I’ve seen comments about how you can never bring up a woman’s age, etc., which is total BS. If the argument is legitimate for a male candidate, it is legitimate for a female candidate.
slag
This post seems like a waste of a perfectly good gif.
Valdivia
it’s going to be a long election season….
I have zero problems with Hilary so far, many with her too quick to get enraged supporters like this guy.
Cervantes
@Punchy:
!
Paul in KY
@benw: Y’all are going to be blotto in about 20 mins.
Cacti
@schrodinger’s cat:
Cole had his road to damascus moment long after the Clintons were out of the White House.
He never really outgrew his finely tuned, kneejerk, Republican outrage over all things Bill and Hill.
schrodinger's cat
@slag: The cutest brother in the Band of Brothers! I don’t think I have seen him in anything else.
schrodinger's cat
@Cacti: Its like a compulsion or a reflexive action, his reaction to all things Hillary.
Betty Cracker
@askew: Just out of curiosity, what do you think the cut-off age should be for presidential aspirants?
Personally, I don’t think HRC is too old. I don’t think McCain was either — he was temperamentally unfit and I didn’t agree with his platform, but he seemed to have the minimal wits he was born with about him, such as they were. The many stupid moves he made in his campaign were characteristic of his personality and not due to his age, IMO.
Cacti
@schrodinger’s cat:
Too many years of listening to Rush rant about teh ebil Clintons and screaming “mega dittoes” at the radio.
I think he might benefit from some deprogramming therapy aimed at former cult members.
burnspbesq
So, wait a sec: ageism suddenly becomes OK because the person decrying ageism is an asshole? Is that the actual message here?
It’s that damn blue pill again. Straight through the looking-glass we go.
schrodinger's cat
@Betty Cracker: Grandma, as in out of touch, unaware of all things hip. How many male politicians of Hillary’s age are called grandpa?
Keith G
@Betty Cracker:
Betty, your inquiry can be answered with a very simple equation.
X = Hillarys current age – 1
askew
@Betty Cracker:
Late 50s. Reagan was a doddering fool in office who needed his staff to do the job for him. Hillary isn’t much younger than him. It’s the hardest job in the world. Why are we putting someone that old in it?
Cacti
@schrodinger’s cat:
Fair point.
Mitt Romney was a 65 year old grandfather in 2012, and I can’t recall any of his opponents referring to him as “Grandpa”.
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: Well, he didn’t straight-up call her “grandma” — he made an allusion to her nana-sity, so the proper question would be, “How many male politicians of Hillary’s age are the subject of veiled allusions to their fogeyism and unhipness?” And the answer is plenty.
Cervantes
@Valdivia:
“Enraged”?
He said the wording was “regrettable.”
goblue72
O’Malley is the John Edwards of 2016. The GOS types will go ga-ga over another blond-haired, square jawed white dude whose actual policy positions aren’t anymore “progressive” than the other centrist Dem candidate/s (unless arguing over angels on pins gets your goat). But he looks Kennedy-esque so swoon swoon.
Personally, I’m a democratic socialist so I’m supporting old man Bernie. He doesn’t have a snowballs chance of actually getting the nomination, but I want to see him pull a strong showing and make it past the early primary states. Bigger portion of votes he actually pulls, the more notice his policies will get and the more Hilz will need to shore up her left flank.
We need someone on TV like him supporting taxing the uber-rich at Eisenhower era levels like a 90% marginal rate on the rich – and when asked if he’s serious goes “Yeah, you got a problem?” I don’t care if he doesn’t play to the left-wing Po-Mo mau-mau, culture war crap. He points at Scandinavia and goes “they got a stronger middle class than we do, they live longer and they’re happier – what’s so wrong with that?”
Bobby Thomson
@burnspbesq: she can’t use age as a sword and a shield.
Cervantes
@askew:
Do you really think so?
Cacti
@askew:
Also a fair point.
Reagan was the only POTUS we’ve had who spent most of his time in office as a septuagenarian, and if you believe Ron Jr. and Donald Regan, he started showing signs of dementia around 1984.
schrodinger's cat
@Betty Cracker:There was nothing veiled about that barb. As for being unhip, most Republicans are tragically unhip, no matter what their age.
ETA: For example, see Jindal Bobby and Rubio Marco, both in their 40s but more fuddy duddy than grandma Hillary.
Bobby B.
@schrodinger’s cat: We should call them all grandpa. That supposedly “hippie” generation sure laid down some real stick-in-the-muds. See Democrat heel dragging on pot legalization, for example.
kc
I need to find another fuckin’ blog to read.
goblue72
@askew: Reagan had Alzheimer’s. The prevalence rate for people Hillary Clinton’s age is 3 per 1,000 or 3/10 of 1 percent of people in her age bracket. By the the time she’s into her second term, its 6 per 1,000.
So no, being her age does not mean she’s going to be another Reagan in terms of degradation of her mental acuity. It IS complete ageism to suggest that.
Benw
@Paul in KY: naw, I’ll just hydrate with some Coors Light between shots. I could keep going for HOURS.
Kay
@goblue72:
He’s fun to listen to because he’s so blunt. It’s just really appealing to me how he’s so clearly not “managed”.
I was reading political reporters on Twitter when he announced and one funny person said “Bernie is just too slick for me”. He still speaks too fast when he’s worked up! All those years in high-level politics and he never learned to temper or modulate that. It’s refreshing.
Valdivia
@Cervantes:
I used to follow him on twitter and had to stop because he gets to enraged very quickly. But hey that’s just me.
I am voting for Hillary, I will support her, I just feel I don’t have to like those who advocate for her, or be crazy about their tactics right?
In general I think that if this is what the election is going to be like I am going to be tuning out. We have a whole lot more important things to worry about on the other side of the aisle.
shortstop
@Betty Cracker: Ignoring Peter Daou, because he’s Peter Daou: I may be all wet (again), but I’m wondering if the grandma thing is really such a negative.
To young white libertarian boys, sure, but to most voters? To young women? There’s a huge boomer contingent on which charges of grandparenthood fall flat as effective insults. And haven’t four of the last six presidents had grandkids?
ETA: I think a strong case can be made that many people view grandmas as fluttering fluffyheads while seeing grandpas as fonts of wisdom and powerful experience, but that’s about sexism, not ageism.
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: You don’t recall people slagging on McCain for being an old fart? I recall doing that myself!
askew
@goblue72:
Neither Edwards or O’Malley are blond, but that is about all they have in common. O’Malley was the most progressive Governor in the country. He’s accomplished more progressive policy than any candidate running for president on the Dem side since Jerry Brown. He’s more progressive than Sanders on multiple issues and he has certainly accomplished more than him or Hillary in his political career.
As for Daily Kos, they hate O’Malley. The front page is doing puff pieces on Hillary multiple times a day and the posters are recommending Sanders diaries. O’Malley is a non-entity there and will remain one. He isn’t the type of politician they flock to. They prefer politicians that are all talk and no action like Edwards, Kucinich and Sanders.
schrodinger's cat
@Betty Cracker: I remember that, that he was older than the Golden Gate Bridge. But still I don’t remember any one specifically calling him Grandpa. In fact most of the MSM was acting like he was the coolest candidate evah, at least before he chose Palin as his running mate. Remember the tire swing?
shortstop
@askew:
I guess you would have looked even sillier if you’d said “54.”
goblue72
@askew: The idea that O’Malley is more left than Sanders is complete hogwash. I get you are an O’Malley fanboi, but get real.
burnspbesq
@Bobby Thomson:
Is that what you see here? I’ll send you my ophthalmologist’s contact information.
Clinton’s USP is experience, which doesn’t come without age. If that’s your USP, then you do have to convince people that age hasn’t adversely affected your ability to do the job, but that necessarily has to be a case-by-case determination, and the burden of proof should be on the person making the claim.
shortstop
@Betty Cracker: Sure, but McCain was 71 going on 99 (direct quote from my mom, who’s older than McCain).
Amir Khalid
There was a bit that Letterman and Paul Shaffer used to do on the late Show: they’d look at something and try to decide if was A Thing, or Not A Thing. Implicitly calling attention to the fact that Hillary has a grandchild is a dig at her age. But as far as scoring a point against her goes, I think Dave and Paul would shake their heads and agree that this was Not A Thing.
burnspbesq
@Valdivia:
Including, but not limited to, the inevitable collision between the Supreme Court and the actuarial tables. Does anybody here not soil themselves when thinking about the prospect that any potential Republican candidate might end up making four nominations?
Sibelius
@Cacti: About that time I was at UCLA and Reagan had an office in Westwood. One of my political science profs., a middle east expert, was asked to advise him on ME events. He told us that the man was clueless, no idea about anything going on. As I recall he said, nicest man you’d ever meet, but just not all there.
goblue72
@Kay: One look at Bernie’s Doc Brown hair tells you this guy is definitely NOT Mr. Slick.
I just want to see him on the televised debates calling a spade a spade about our 40 years of economic policies favoring the rich and how we need to tax their asses silly, while the other candidates blather on vaguely about how raising taxes is “irresponsible” and all we really need to do is send everyone to college to become computer programmers and things will all be hunky dory.
Bobby Thomson
Again, it’s her brand.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6608294
shortstop
@shortstop: Sorry, meant to say four of seven but now see it’s actually three of seven: Carter, Reagan, HW. I thought Ford’s grandchildren had come earlier than they did.
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: I don’t think McCain technically IS a grandpa, but people called him an old fart or a doddering old man routinely, including on this blog. I don’t think that’s such a big deal, either — my point is, there’s nothing particularly sexist about similar treatment for Hilz, IMO. YMMV!
CaseyL
@askew: Hey! I’m in my late 50s, and aside from not having nearly as much energy as once upon a time, the biggest difference between now and then mentally is that I’m much less willing to tolerate BS, fools, and manipulators.
I don’t know about men, but the main thing about women as we age is, we increasingly just don’t give a shit about trivialities. I think that’s an excellent quality to have in a President.
JPL
@Betty Cracker: I’m not sure that I called him an old fart but I know I called him old and unfit for office.
lol
@askew:
He got banned for shilling for campaigns without disclosing he was being paid to do so, right? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
shortstop
@Betty Cracker: He’s got a bunch of grandkids by kids of his first marriage, but no idea how old any of them are.
Botsplainer
@Betty Cracker:
There was a funny moment in his campaign – endearing, actually – when he had a rally in front of a bunch of youth in Arizona, and had brought Daddy Yankee to sing “Gasolina”. It was pretty funny – he was having a good time in front of the crowd but clearly knew nothing about the performance that he was introducing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGKrc3A6HHM
Botsplainer
Here’s a video of McCain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK69Lm_1SrQ
schrodinger's cat
BTW Grandmas can be totally badass. Mine was, it is all about attitude not age.
ETA: She came from a large family, worked outside of home, when it was practically unheard of at that time. Was a fairly high ranking official in the state government bureaucracy before she retired. This was in India, where the shackles of patriarchy are much stronger than here.
shortstop
I think we can all take solace in knowing that O’Malley is old enough to be a grandpa. If he’d had kids. Without even pushing it down to average Arkansas age at first parenthood.
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: There we agree — BOTH of my grandmas are still total bad-asses even though they’re older than dirt. Their KIDS are Hillary’s age…
askew
@shortstop:
I’ve said this for years way before I even started supporting O’Malley. But, if it makes you feel better to personally attack me, knock yourself out.
shortstop
@askew: I heard that in a gothic Southern accent, maybe with a hand placed dramatically at your throat. Is that how you said it?
Valdivia
@burnspbesq:
this a thousand times. whatever issues I may have with Hillary and her choices of advisors or the ‘optics’ of the Foundation (hate that term but here it’s useful) can we please remember what the SC would look like with 2 more Alitos?
Paul in KY
@Benw: Spoken like a true pro ;-)
Paul in KY
@schrodinger’s cat: I’m impressed! Glad you had a grandmamma like her.
schrodinger's cat
@Paul in KY: Thanks! We used to jokingly call her Indira Gandhi.
fuckwit
Petty, mean-spirited, and stupid. The comment, and the outrage surrounding it.
O’Malley was never going to get my support anyway, and this doesn’t change that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Who would you rather have running the country? Olenna Tyrell or Robb Stark?
(and yes I do consider myself to be a nerd)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@fuckwit: In fairness, it was O’Malley’s SuperPAC something (CEO, or more likely CEO’s digital assistant) that said it. I have always thought that deep down, Hillary Clinton wishes a lot of her clumsier supporters would shut up
schrodinger's cat
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: No cable, no HBO, no Game of Thrones. I am guessing from your response that Olenna is better?
EthylEster
@Amir Khalid:
No, but it’s the kind of thing that gets JC to post silliness like this.
Who knows what he actually is attempting?
If he’s trying to annoy readers, he’s succeeding with me.
Imagine 17 more months of this…here.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@schrodinger’s cat: a ruthless, machiavellian string-puller played with hilarious imperiousness by Diana Rigg, inspired by Kathariine Hepburn’s Eleanor of Aquitaine, I suspect
schrodinger's cat
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Did you know that Indira Gandhi was called the only man in her cabinet?
Cervantes
@schrodinger’s cat:
Nixon called her an “old witch.”
Among other things.
schrodinger's cat
@Cervantes: She did have a rather long nose! Well and it takes one to know one, I guess.
Cervantes
@schrodinger’s cat:
That, plus she was a few years younger than he was, as I recall.
schrodinger's cat
@Cervantes: He should have liked her, she was pretty Nixonian and quite an authoritarian herself.
shortstop
@schrodinger’s cat: Nixon didn’t have much use for the XX chromosome crowd.
Cervantes
@schrodinger’s cat:
But she had signed a pact with the Soviets, you see, and that was that.
rikyrah
the gif is hilarious
Bill
@Betty Cracker:
There’s no universal age, but the questions should be asked once the candidate is in their late 60’s. Some people can easily maintain the energy required for the presidency well past that date, but for others it could be real concern. My parents are 70, and I could not imagine them maintaining the 24/7 schedule of the presidency.
Bill Arnold
@PurpleGirl:
I had friends who lived around there and moved to Boca Raton around that time. The beginning of their name sounded like … fermented grape juice.
I recall seeing Paul Robeson memorabilia at a restaurant, or maybe a theater, in Peekskill. Those riots and concerts were a big deal.
Uncle Cosmo
@fuckwit: Somehow I imagine Martin will endure the indignity of having lost the fuckwit vote…
@goblue72: Not sure where you’re going here. If you meant that O’Malley in the race would serve to push HRC leftward, I think Bernie’s gonna do a fine job of that–
–But that’s not what you meant. Askew answered you substantively in #73 supra. I would only suggest that any differences between Bernie & Martin on social justice issues is IMO more emphasis than substance: Bernie believes that economic justice has to come first & will carry social justice with it, whereas Martin is anxious to move on both at once.
And if you really meant to flip off MOM as an empty suit or sleazeball, allow me to respond as a personal friend of Martin O’Malley’s for nigh onto 30 years, by paraphrasing one of Barbra Streisand’s lines from The Owl & The Pussycat:
Would you please be so kind as to kindly Fuck Off & Daou!
Cervantes
@Uncle Cosmo:
It may be that Sanders thinks attacking “social justice” directly isn’t particularly effective (at this juncture).
Also, I have to say, this dichotomy — “economic justice” versus “social justice” — seems inaccurate to me, not to say silly. (I know it’s not your creation.)
Goblue72
@Uncle Cosmo: I don’t care if you have weekly tea with the Pope. If you can’t tell the difference between O’Malley’s mainstream liberalism and Sander’s democratic socialism, you’re hopeless.
I’m not talking tone – I’m talking actual policy positions.
Tom W.
@Cervantes: Exactly – it was an intentional dig on age and gender, not very artful and not very thinly disguised either.
Tom W.
@Betty Cracker: Yeah it’s out of line.
And what’s with the ad-hom on Peter Daou?