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Monday Monday

by Betty Cracker|  June 8, 201512:59 pm| 68 Comments

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— Vladimir Putin (@DarthPutinKGB) June 7, 2015

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  1. 1.

    Amir Khalid

    June 8, 2015 at 1:07 pm

    The G7 countries have seven heads of government between them. There are nine people in that group. Who are the extra two? Where are David Cameron’s legs? Should Putin really be riding a pony that small?

  2. 2.

    Gindy51

    June 8, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    Huckabee is going to have a heart attack when he sees Putin’s manboobs.

  3. 3.

    Tripod

    June 8, 2015 at 1:15 pm

    here… have a Picasso, don’t cost nothin’….

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    June 8, 2015 at 1:21 pm

    Why the fate of Virginia’s congressional map matters
    06/08/15 10:44 AM—UPDATED 06/08/15 11:28 AM
    By Steve Benen
    When voters in Virginia went to the polls in 2012, a narrow majority backed President Obama’s re-election bid, just as they’d done four years earlier. In a closely watched U.S. Senate race, the commonwealth’s voters also elected Sen. Tim Kaine (D) over former Sen. George Allen (R) by about six points.

    But just a little further down on the ballot is where things get tricky. If you add up all the votes case in each of Virginia’s U.S. House races, roughly 49% of Virginians voted for Democratic candidates, while about 51% supported Republican candidates. The state has 11 congressional districts, so if there was some kind of parallel between voter preferences and partisan results, we might expect to see five Democrats head to Congress from the state, along with six Republicans.

    Except that’s not what happened. Of Virginia’s 11 U.S. House seats, Democrats ended up with three victories to the GOP’s eight. Dems may have won nearly 49% of the vote, but they also won about 27% of the representation.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-the-fate-virginias-congressional-map-matters

  5. 5.

    srv

    June 8, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    I’m not sure Vlad is going to be able to stop another WW at this point. It seems to be what the EU wants.

    In other news, Rumsfeld provides education:

    Former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said that George W. Bush was wrong to try and push democracy on Iraq and that NATO has become unfit to deal with modern threats and should be replaced by a more global alliance to fight Islamist extremism.

    Rumsfeld’s remarks, made in an interview with The Times, mark a rift between the views of his then commander-in-chief, President Bush, who tried to push democracy right across the Middle East in the aftermath of toppling Saddam Hussein in 2003, although Rumsfeld apparently did nothing at the time to assuage his concerns.

    “I’m not one who thinks that our particular template of democracy is appropriate for other countries at every moment of their histories. The idea that we could fashion a democracy in Iraq seemed to me unrealistic. I was concerned about it when I first heard those words.”
    …
    He warned that Arab nations are disintegrating, and said that the West’s airstrikes in Libya had served to further destabilize the region.
    …
    He predicted that IS would take decades to defeat and that it was about countering their ideology rather than bullets and airstrikes.

    “You begin to look at this thing not like a war but more like the Cold War … you’re not going to win this with bullets, you’re in a competition of ideas. You’re going to have to squeeze down bank accounts, to find out who’s teaching whom what, to find ways to promote and encourage moderates,”

  6. 6.

    Germy Shoemangler

    June 8, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    Putin meets Merkel, and the mind games he plays:

    When Putin and Merkel meet, they sometimes speak in German (he’s better in her language than she is in his), and Putin corrects his own interpreter to let Merkel know that nothing is lost on him. Putin’s brand of macho elicits in Merkel a kind of scientific empathy. In 2007, during discussions about energy supplies at the Russian President’s residence in Sochi, Putin summoned his black Lab, Koni, into the room where he and Merkel were seated. As the dog approached and sniffed her, Merkel froze, visibly frightened. She’d been bitten once, in 1995, and her fear of dogs couldn’t have escaped Putin, who sat back and enjoyed the moment, legs spread wide. “I’m sure it will behave itself,” he said. Merkel had the presence of mind to reply, in Russian, “It doesn’t eat journalists, after all.” The German press corps was furious on her behalf—“ready to hit Putin,” according to a reporter who was present. Later, Merkel interpreted Putin’s behavior. “I understand why he has to do this—to prove he’s a man,” she told a group of reporters. “He’s afraid of his own weakness. Russia has nothing, no successful politics or economy. All they have is this.”

  7. 7.

    catclub

    June 8, 2015 at 1:31 pm

    @srv: I just read on Pierce that GWBush gets $100k-$175k for giving speeches, and has done about 200 of them. Mostly at conventions, usually private (very few overseas, funny that).

    I wonder how much Rumsfeld gets for dispensing his wisdom.

  8. 8.

    Elizabelle

    June 8, 2015 at 1:32 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Put up a comment on Cameron Crowe’s casting re Aloha at end of last thread. I will not see the movie.

    From Crowe’s website, theuncool dot com: A Comment on Allison Ng

  9. 9.

    Elizabelle

    June 8, 2015 at 1:33 pm

    @catclub: I’d want to know what corporations are loopy enough to pay that for a GW Bush speech, and disinvest.

    Seriously.

  10. 10.

    WereBear

    June 8, 2015 at 1:33 pm

    @catclub: GWBush gets $100k-$175k for giving speeches

    I find that ironic, because that’s about what someone would have to pay me to sit through one without vomiting.

  11. 11.

    gelfling545

    June 8, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    With so much horror coming out of police depts. I thought I would share one thing that made me smile re yesterday’s pride parade.

  12. 12.

    Tree With Water

    June 8, 2015 at 1:38 pm

    @Amir Khalid: My guess has it that the two extra people in that photo must have jobs shoveling the road apples that herd leaves behind whenever they stroll together.

  13. 13.

    Betty Cracker

    June 8, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    @Germy Shoemangler: How unsurprising that Putin is a “man-spreader.” And sick burn by Merkel at the end there…wow, does she ever have him pegged!

  14. 14.

    Elizabelle

    June 8, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    NY Times: Obama Is Optimistic Justices Will Let Health Care Law Stand

    WASHINGTON — A decision by the Supreme Court to strike down health care subsidies in federally run marketplaces would be a “contorted reading” of the Affordable Care Act that would disrupt coverage for millions of people, President Obama said on Monday.

    But at a news conference at the end of Mr. Obama’s two-day trip to Germany, he expressed optimism that the court’s justices, who are set to announce a decision on a challenge to the subsidies this month, will let his signature domestic achievement stand.

    “This should be an easy case. Frankly it probably shouldn’t have even been taken up,” Mr. Obama said. He said that because the ruling is coming soon, “It’s important for us to go ahead and assume that the Supreme Court is going to do what most legal scholars who have looked at this would expect them to.”

    He added, “I’m optimistic that the Supreme Court will play it straight.”

  15. 15.

    shell

    June 8, 2015 at 1:39 pm

    @catclub: But it’s only bad when Hillary does it.

    What’s going on? Looks like we’ll be having thunderstorms for the next two days. Hope my dog will survive.

  16. 16.

    jl

    June 8, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    @catclub: There is a piece on Bush’s speaking career at TPM blog too.Maybe Will Ferrell will put out a skit on it.

    Report: George W. Bush Raked In Millions Through Speaking Gigs

    ‘ “Evil is real,” he said at the University of Mary Hardin-Baylor in Belton, Texas.
    “Bowling is fun,” he said at a get-together for the Bowling Proprietors’ Association of America in Orlando. ‘

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-w-bush-millions-speeches

  17. 17.

    Betty Cracker

    June 8, 2015 at 1:40 pm

    @Elizabelle: I wasn’t planning on seeing it anyway, but I’m surprised folks are reacting negatively to Crowe’s explanation. It sounds like he gets it and will try to do better. Isn’t that how progress is made?

  18. 18.

    jeffreyw

    June 8, 2015 at 1:41 pm

    Listening to William Tell on Google Play, marking time until the Lone Ranger shows up to liven up the piece.

  19. 19.

    Cacti

    June 8, 2015 at 1:42 pm

    Ted Cruz accidentally makes an argument for sensible gun regulations.

    In an official campaign “shooting excursion” with Rafael himself, all participants will be required to (gasp)…pass a background check.

    Candidate Cruz has an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.

    Link

  20. 20.

    jl

    June 8, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    @Elizabelle: IANAL, but it seems to me that a reading that throws out the subsidies would be so contorted, and throw out so much established, and very long standing, precedent on how to interpret laws, that it would open a floodgate of cases to overturn pretty much any federal law that someone with enough money wants overturned. All you have to do is pick out a few words that are ambiguous when read out of context and cook some nutty alternative legislative history of the bill.

    Maybe that is what the reactionary corrupt loons on the court want. Otherwise, they will have to state at the top of the opinion that it is a special one-time-only decision. Which I would not put past them.

  21. 21.

    Elizabelle

    June 8, 2015 at 1:45 pm

    The Supreme Court did the right thing on US passports for those Americans born in Jerusalem:

    Supreme Court Backs White House on Jerusalem Passport Dispute

    In an important separation-of-powers decision, the Supreme Court on Monday ruled that Congress may not require the State Department to indicate in passports that Jerusalem is part of Israel.

    The vote was 6 to 3, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia and Samuel A. Alito Jr. dissenting.

    Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, writing for five justices, said the question of the status of Jerusalem is “a delicate subject.” But he said the Constitution conferred exclusive authority on the president to recognize foreign governments.

    GW Bush supported Obama’s position on this too. Scalia’s fees fees are hurt. He wrote about the President usurping Congress’s power.

  22. 22.

    Elizabelle

    June 8, 2015 at 1:46 pm

    @Betty Cracker: My guess is that Emma Stone was chosen to assure financing for the movie.

    PS: I agree re progress. In the future, directors/producers might be more sensitive in their casting decisions.

  23. 23.

    Elizabelle

    June 8, 2015 at 1:48 pm

    @jl:

    it would open a floodgate of cases to overturn pretty much any federal law that someone with enough money wants overturned. All you have to do is pick out a few words that are ambiguous when read out of context and cook some nutty alternative legislative history of the bill.

    Bingo. Camel’s nose, meet tent.

  24. 24.

    Amir Khalid

    June 8, 2015 at 1:49 pm

    @jl:
    I’ll give W this: he does tell the truth in his speeches. Evil is real. There are people who do indeed enjoy bowling. History is judging him, and so far it has found him deeply inadequate.

  25. 25.

    gwangung

    June 8, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Not sure Crowe understands the issue. Basically, he took one of the most interesting and dynamic characters and made her story the B-story. And continued a long standing practice of whitewashing characters (which is currently not acknowledged).

  26. 26.

    Bobby B.

    June 8, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    Those bloggers look like Potemkin Villagers

  27. 27.

    Gindy51

    June 8, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    @Elizabelle: Homeless shelter in McKinney TX was one. You know McKinney, TX, home of the racist cop bullies who push teen aged black girls to the ground and sit on them?

  28. 28.

    Calouste

    June 8, 2015 at 1:55 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Juncker and Tusk of the EU.

  29. 29.

    RaflW

    June 8, 2015 at 2:02 pm

    Governor Rauner is threatening to close the Illinois State Museums. Because budget problems mean citizens and tourists should be deprived of history and art. I just get so fed up with this bullshit.
    Please like the Save the Illinois Museum FB page if you can.
    The job you help save could be my friend Wolfe. Thank you.

  30. 30.

    peach flavored shampoo

    June 8, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    The vote was 6 to 3, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Antonin Scalia and Samuel A. Alito Jr. dissenting.

    Oh my. My rusty SCOTUS calculus says this only means that Thomas voted with the Libs. Those f#ckin libs!

    The apothecary is nigh.

  31. 31.

    Betty Cracker

    June 8, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    @gwangung: I don’t know enough about the story on which the movie is based to make a judgment, but Crowe did say this at the end of the statement linked above:

    I am grateful for the dialogue. And from the many voices, loud and small, I have learned something very inspiring. So many of us are hungry for stories with more racial diversity, more truth in representation, and I am anxious to help tell those stories in the future.

    It’s not an admission that he screwed up, but it sounds like he gained a greater understanding of the issue and will keep that in mind going forward. I guess we’ll see if he follows through.

  32. 32.

    Amir Khalid

    June 8, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    @Betty Cracker:
    I think Crowe’s limited in what he can say about this. By all accounts Emma Stone worked hard to research the role and understand whom she was playing. It’s not really her fault that she was cast over a local actress with a family history more like the character’s. Was Crowe supposed to insult her work after it was done by saying he should have picked someone else? Should he publicly blame the studio for making the business decision to insist on a bankable actress like Stone?

  33. 33.

    RaflW

    June 8, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    @srv:

    “I was concerned about it when I first heard those words.”

    Here’s a known known, Rummy: you were an incompetent hack then, and you are one now. Don’t try to weasel your way out of shared responsibility for Dubya’s bad instincts and worse execution.

  34. 34.

    Punchy

    June 8, 2015 at 2:08 pm

    All you have to do is pick out a few words in only those laws that conservatives hate that are ambiguous when read out of context, which could possibly be read in a more conservative-friendly context, and cook some nutty alternative legislative history of the bill only if it helps Republicans win more elections or make more money, otherwise GTFOH with your challenge.

    Fixed for the realistic incompleteness of your comment.

  35. 35.

    sharl

    June 8, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    @catclub: If my one close proximity encounter with a GWB speech is any indication – vacation lodging next to a conference center in eastern TN several years ago – he remains hugely popular with the right-wing evangelical christian crowd, if the overflowing parking lots and large crowds we saw were any indication. They may well fall below the 50% mark of the U.S. adult population, but collectively these evangelicals seem to have a lot of disposable income, and don’t seem to have many qualms about spending it on their churches and religious leaders who organize these kind of conferences/retreats to which folks like Dubya are invited to speak.

  36. 36.

    Face

    June 8, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    @jl: I’ll say it again. IMO, they would not have plucked this case out from under the nose of the 2nd CC if they planned on simply reaffirming what was certain to be the Circuit Court’s judgement that the case had no merit.

    Obamacare subs are toast, unless Kennedy has Soros-sponsored hookers n’ blow moment and decides that perhaps he doesn’t cherish centuries of urine deposited on his gravesite.

  37. 37.

    Betty Cracker

    June 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Agreed on all counts. There’s really nothing he can say about the process now that wouldn’t devalue Stone’s work or implicate the studio, which wouldn’t be a great career move. Under the circumstances, the conciliatory statement he did make is probably the best that can be realistically expected.

    When I first heard about this controversy, I read that Stone’s character is based on a real person who spends a lot of time explaining her ethnic background because people assume she’s white from her appearance. It was just a snippet I read in the context of the controversy — I have no idea how accurate it is.

    I also have no idea how central the character’s heritage is to the overall story line. I think that makes a difference in determining whether or not casting Stone was an egregious insult or merely a bit tone deaf. If her ethnic identity is central to the character, yeah, casting Stone does seem like a truly boneheaded move.

    Either way, it’s true that Asian / non-white actors in general get a raw deal in US-produced TV and movies. As gwangung pointed out earlier, they are rarely cast UNLESS their identity is central, and that’s not right (I’d personally like to see A LOT more of Steven Yeun).

  38. 38.

    jl

    June 8, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    @Gindy51: Is that a joke?

    The McKinney incident is sick. Apparently the story is that some black residents had a graduation party, and some black kids tried to crash it. So a few racist neighbors decided to handle the situation not by talking with the adults in charge, but by yelling racist slurs at the kids, and by the account of one kid, assaulting them. Cops come and assault under color of law any kid not lily white and anyone, lily white or not, who tries to explain what happened.

    Post racial America, obviously Obama’s fault for not fixing it.

    Why McKinney Happened
    http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2015/06/why-mckinney-happened

  39. 39.

    jl

    June 8, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    Girls assaulted by cop at McKinney incident claims she was an invited guest and was trying to obey orders when she was assaulted.

    Bikini-clad girl thrown to ground by McKinney officer speaks out
    http://news.yahoo.com/mckinney-police-pool-party-girl-speaks-121117251.html

  40. 40.

    Amir Khalid

    June 8, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    @Betty Cracker:
    It seems to be central to the character that her very white appearance misleads people about her ethnic identity, which makes her feel insecure.

  41. 41.

    catclub

    June 8, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Mr. Obama said. He said that because the ruling is coming soon, “It’s important for us to go ahead and assume that the Supreme Court is going to do what most legal scholars who have looked at this would expect them to.”

    Don’t like the sound of THAT at all.

  42. 42.

    catclub

    June 8, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    @Face: only takes 4 to pluck it out. They may have been assuming a fifth. Hope springs infernal.

  43. 43.

    catclub

    June 8, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    @peach flavored shampoo: Thomas was asserting the Dick Cheney unitary executive theory, not quite agreeing with others in the majority.

  44. 44.

    jl

    June 8, 2015 at 2:36 pm

    @catclub: TPM blog reported last week that two state governments, PA and DE, don’t share Obama’s confidence and are setting up contingency plans to set up something that will quality as a state exchange in case the SCOTUS decides to dive deeper into the cesspool malfeasance, incompetence and political corruption the reactionaries and dithering confused old farts (Kennedy) have been making of themselves.

  45. 45.

    Belafon

    June 8, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    @catclub: Saying this places the onus for solving it on the Republicans, where it belongs. If he’d said there was any way to cover the people about to be kicked off, Republicans in Congress and on the SCOTUS would be off the hook.

  46. 46.

    Belafon

    June 8, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    @jl: It took the SCOTUS threatening to destroy everything in order to get those states to do the right thing?

  47. 47.

    trollhattan

    June 8, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    Must admit, the folks concerned about the militarization of the nation’s police forces might be on to something.

    Either 1. top brass was under orders to limit overtime or 2. the SWAT boys were running out of meth and needed to get ‘er done before they all got too sleepy.

    One guy with a pistol; they couldn’t simply wait out one guy? Where was he going to go? WTF?

  48. 48.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 8, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    @Face: The collateral damage from that would be massive. I don’t see Roberts wanting to go down in history as the Chief Justice who broke the federal court system.

  49. 49.

    Roger Moore

    June 8, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    @jl:

    it would open a floodgate of cases to overturn pretty much any federal law that someone with enough money wants overturned.

    Sounds like exactly what the Republicans are hoping for.

  50. 50.

    rikyrah

    June 8, 2015 at 2:54 pm

    @Face:

    I’ll say it again. IMO, they would not have plucked this case out from under the nose of the 2nd CC if they planned on simply reaffirming what was certain to be the Circuit Court’s judgement that the case had no merit

    you only need 4 to bring a case forth.

    and we know which 4 brought it forth.

  51. 51.

    catclub

    June 8, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    @trollhattan:

    One guy with a pistol; they couldn’t simply wait out one guy? Where was he going to go? WTF?

    ATF

  52. 52.

    jl

    June 8, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    @Face:

    ” Obamacare subs are toast, unless Kennedy has Soros-sponsored hookers n’ blow moment and decides that perhaps he doesn’t cherish centuries of urine deposited on his gravesite. ”

    Urine? I guess you are being polite because Balloon-Juice is such a family-friendly mommy and kids blog?

  53. 53.

    gwangung

    June 8, 2015 at 3:09 pm

    @Betty Cracker: He’s not. His next project is casting another white actress as a character that was originally written to be Korean American.

  54. 54.

    sharl

    June 8, 2015 at 3:13 pm

    Hmm…

    Raw Story @RawStory

    City of McKinney, TX was sued over housing discrimination in 2009

    Jonathan Jew-Lim @jonathanjewlim

    In case you were wondering, Money magazine named #McKinney, TX number one in its list of best places to live (in 2014).

    I wonder if Money magazine will be adjusting their rating algorithm after this? I’m gonna guess that in the future they’ll at least have their interns do some more careful background research before going to press; or maybe not – probably will depend on who they think is buying their magazine.

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 8, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    Fox News contributor: Hillary Clinton’s call to expand early voting is just ‘bogus race baiting’

    On the bright side, at least FOX is no longer denying what all the voting restrictions were really about.

  56. 56.

    Betty Cracker

    June 8, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    @gwangung: In that case, his statement was bullshit, and he hasn’t learned a thing. That sucks!

  57. 57.

    catclub

    June 8, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    @OzarkHillbilly: Their ‘bogus race baiting’ is our ‘civil rights laws’.

    potato, potahto

  58. 58.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 8, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Well, it’s not like there are any Korean-American actresses in the US.

  59. 59.

    jl

    June 8, 2015 at 3:28 pm

    @catclub: Pretty soon, anything a Democrat candidate says will be ‘race baiting’, somehow, however indirect and however many bank shots are needed to get there. Sanders will be campaigning to some lily white audience in NH, and he will be ‘race baiting’.

    At least it will solidity the increasingly one issue (white racism forever) GOP primary base.

  60. 60.

    shell

    June 8, 2015 at 3:31 pm

    In that prison escape in upstate New York, everybody, from the media to Gov. Cuomo keep saying it’s ‘just like a Hollywood movie.’ Why can’t they just come out and say ‘Shawshank Redemption’ ? Some copyright thing?

  61. 61.

    The Thin Black Duke

    June 8, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    Thing is, Cameron Crowe has been coasting on the artistic and commercial success of Almost Famous for years now. Other than the overrated Say Anything (redeemed by a heroic John Cusack performance), Crowe’s other films really haven’t had much to say.

  62. 62.

    WereBear

    June 8, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    @shell: The account I read did say Shawshank Redemption.

    But you know… it wasn’t a tunnel crafted for years with superhuman patience. It was the result of construction tools not being properly secured, and it happened in one night.

  63. 63.

    Betty Cracker

    June 8, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: I’ve always had a soft spot for “Singles.”

  64. 64.

    Roger Moore

    June 8, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    @jl:

    Pretty soon, anything a Democrat candidate says will be ‘race baiting’

    What do you mean “pretty soon”? That’s already the case.

  65. 65.

    Mike J

    June 8, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Citizen Dick released a 7″ this year.

  66. 66.

    pete

    June 8, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    @Amir Khalid: The chick’s there to make coffee, right? And the dusky dude will serve it. Math problem solved!

  67. 67.

    gene108

    June 8, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    @Belafon:

    It took the SCOTUS threatening to destroy everything in order to get those states to do the right thing?

    In 2010, PA elected a bunch of right-wing loons into office. They did what all the other states with overwhelming Republican majorities and a Republican governor did and not bother to build an exchange.

    In 2014, PA corrected part of their mistake and elected a Democrat as governor.

    DE is the sort of state the Federal Exchange was originally envisioned to help. A small state, where it may not be as cost effective to maintain their own exchange, so the Fed’s would pick up the effort.

  68. 68.

    Tree With Water

    June 9, 2015 at 12:47 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That’s more or less what a furious Pat Morita purportedly said to Mickey Rooney after losing the role of the Japanese neighbor in the movie Breakfast At Tiffany’s.

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