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Good news everybody

by David Anderson|  June 16, 20153:18 pm| 66 Comments

This post is in: Activist Judges!, Anderson On Health Insurance, Vote Like Your Country Depends On It, All we want is life beyond the thunderdome, The Failed Obama Administration (Only Took Two Weeks)

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America's uninsured rate has never been in single digits. But it's at 10.1% now—and falling: http://t.co/dfyJqtN2B2 pic.twitter.com/y6Kg08yBTN

— Dan Diamond (@ddiamond) June 16, 2015

Now let us hope that the five Sadists on the Supreme Court don’t fuck this up.

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  1. 1.

    Punchy

    June 16, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    I am hoping that Justice Kennedy sees this tweet, ponders, and then demands a box of erasers, stat.

    More realistically is Scalia and crew seeing this statistic and saying “See? Nobody even needs health care! Nearly 90% already have it!” and voting accordingly.

  2. 2.

    srv

    June 16, 2015 at 3:36 pm

    All good things must come to an end.

  3. 3.

    Brachiator

    June 16, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    In my universe, this gives the Democrats something concrete to challenge the GOP. It should move things from debating whether or not there should be healthcare reform and on to how to improve it.

    Nor should Republicans be allowed to muddy things with the claim that Obama failed to deliver decreases in overall medical costs.

    What matters most is the availability, quality and delivery of medical care, and how this can be improved. Costs are not unimportant, but part of a larger context of how to get health care to people.

    And the other irrelevant dodge would be any claim that illegal immigrants are sucking up the health care that real Muricans should be getting.

  4. 4.

    Arclite

    June 16, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    Hey Richard,

    Did you hear the NPR story last night on how millennials were struggling with getting/understanding insurance? What’s your take?

  5. 5.

    Belafon

    June 16, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    @Arclite: They should all come here. If it wasn’t for Richard, most of us wouldn’t have more than a surface level undertanding of insurance.

  6. 6.

    MomSense

    June 16, 2015 at 3:49 pm

    This is a BFD. Imagine if the sadist governors and legislatures had expanded Medicaid coverage.

  7. 7.

    Tommy

    June 16, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    @srv: Lets hope not. In the past year my parents have had some health issues for really their first time in their lives. One major and a few minor. Mom in the ICU for a month. They are not the most liberal people, although I have “turned” my mom to vote for Obama.

    I talk politics with them and mom noted they didn’t pay a single penny for any of their medical care. Dad worked 30+ years for the Federal government and they provide them their insurance.

    I told her they were lucky and the rest of us want what you have and now we kind of do. I work for myself and I have a far better plan for a lot less money. The ACA could be improved but we kind of did a good thing.

  8. 8.

    boatboy_srq

    June 16, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    @Brachiator: I like your universe. I just wish my congresscritter lived there.

  9. 9.

    the Conster

    June 16, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    @Arclite:

    Too bad there isn’t a constitutionally protected institution that uses a delivery system owned by the public that gets beamed into every household 24/7 with vast resources that could explain it to them. oh wait…

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    June 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    thanks for the good news

  11. 11.

    cahuenga

    June 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    America’s uninsured rate has never been in single digits

    Yet the ACA is the most dastardly crime ever committed against the American people!!!! /wingnut

  12. 12.

    Tommy

    June 16, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    @Arclite: I like to think I am somewhat educated on health insurance. When I went to the Federal Exchange and bought my health care coverage I was more than a little confused. I had to spend a lot of time on Google trying to understand everything. I could see how somebody that was buying it for the first time would be far more confused.

  13. 13.

    Linnaeus

    June 16, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    @Tommy:

    I told her they were lucky and the rest of us want what you have and now we kind of do.

    Let me guess – they “earned” it, but the rest of us didn’t.

  14. 14.

    Brachiator

    June 16, 2015 at 4:01 pm

    The other bogus claim that the GOP may try to push is the philosophical one, that the government should not be involved in health care because the private sector can do better.

    The decrease in the number of uninsured refutes this claim pretty easily.

    The GOP should be asked why they want to take health care away from people. And this includes Medicare.

  15. 15.

    Arclite

    June 16, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    @Tommy: I could see a series of slick Youtube vids embedded in strategic locations in the ACA site that could really help alleviate confusion.

  16. 16.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 16, 2015 at 4:02 pm

    Thanks Obama!

  17. 17.

    Jack the Second

    June 16, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    Now let us hope that the five Sadists on the Supreme Court don’t fuck this up.

    “Don’t fuck this up”? The chart shows that the uninsurance rate in non-expansion states is twice that of expansion states — 7.5 vs 14.4. They’ve already fucked it up. If they hadn’t, we’d be looking at a 7.5% uninsurance rate nationally.

  18. 18.

    raven

    June 16, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    @Linnaeus: That’s uncalled for.

  19. 19.

    elmo

    June 16, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    If the Supreme Court hadn’t bypassed 75 years of precedent to tell the States that they were free to take Medicaid money AND ignore Medicaid mandates, we would, in fact, be in single-digit uninsured territory right the fuck now.

  20. 20.

    Tommy

    June 16, 2015 at 4:07 pm

    @Arclite: Yes. Illinois is kind of a strange state where our exchange is jointly run with the Feds. What we have now is far superior to when it first launched and I signed up. I spent like 20+ hours with the site crashing and being confused and I just picked up the phone. The level of expertise and help that lady provided should be a model for how government should work.

  21. 21.

    Elizabelle

    June 16, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    @Jack the Second:

    the uninsurance rate in non-expansion states is twice that of expansion states — 7.5 vs 14.4.

    That affects a lot of lives. Some people have probably died for lack of healthcare.

    Let’s call it the John Roberts Health Insurance Gap.

  22. 22.

    Elizabelle

    June 16, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    @elmo: Yes. We would.

    See The John Roberts Health Insurance Gap.

    Make that bastard own it.

  23. 23.

    Brachiator

    June 16, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    @boatboy_srq:

    I like your universe. I just wish my congresscritter lived there.

    You have my sympathies. I don’t understand any Democratic Party congress critter who wants to pretend the they were in the room when Obamacare was passed or have no stake in improving it.

    I can understand Republican opposition, but they can no longer oppose Obamacare on principle, but have to offer alternatives that will deliver better results. Or explain why some people really don’t deserve health care.

  24. 24.

    Tommy

    June 16, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    @Elizabelle: I am sure people have died. I mentioned in another comment my parents have had a few health issues the past year or two. Get their health care via the government.

    I recall my father worried that he would not be able to get health care in a timely manner. He had a small growth on his nose. He was in one day where they took a sample and tested it. It was cancerous. He was in three days later having it removed.

    I can’t seem to get my father to see my liberal views but mom totally gets it now. It took 60+ years but she sees maybe we have some good ideas.

  25. 25.

    Kerry Reid

    June 16, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    @Tommy: I am in Illinois, too. I first signed up for an individual plan before Obamacare. Which meant underwriting. Which meant lots of calls back and forth on procedures and tests I’d had done years earlier to make sure that I didn’t have pre-existing conditions. And since my medical groups had changed depending on which plan I had with employers before I went individual, it was a pain tracking down all the records. And of course the terror of “If I get something wrong they will find out and drop me through rescission as soon as they find out I actually need this insurance.”

    So while I do sympathize with people who find it confusing, I’ve mostly found those complaints coming from people who had never been on the individual market. They either went with employer-plan options or went without insurance. For those of us who are self-employed, it’s ALWAYS been complicated, and coverage was not guaranteed.

  26. 26.

    Brachiator

    June 16, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    @Arclite:

    Did you hear the NPR story last night on how millennials were struggling with getting/understanding insurance?

    As long as I’ve been an adult, I’ve known people who never thought about health care until they got married and had children. And for most of these folk, health insurance was just something they got as part of the job, and they just checked a box.

    As employer offerings changed, a lot of people have HR departments and video and written material to help explain options.

    Trying to squeeze all this onto a government web site has got to be tougher. And I don’t know whether people can talk to a knowledgeable human being or insurance agent about any of this.

    Also, what options do people without computer access have and what is their experience like?

  27. 27.

    srv

    June 16, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    The fix is in:

    Former House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) tried to crash former Hillary Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal’s deposition before the House Select Committee on Benghazi on Tuesday.

    Issa marched into the closed-door deposition and remained inside for about a minute before he was escorted out by the panel’s chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.).

    The pair briefly exchanged hushed words in a nearby hallway before Issa stormed off, throwing an empty soda can into a nearby trash bin.

  28. 28.

    Linnaeus

    June 16, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    @raven:

    You’re right – I apologize, Tommy. I didn’t need to make that remark. I think I’ve just been too frustrated by talking to too many people who do feel that way, but it’s no excuse.

  29. 29.

    Roger Moore

    June 16, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    @Kerry Reid:

    So while I do sympathize with people who find it confusing, I’ve mostly found those complaints coming from people who had never been on the individual market.

    It really reminds me of all the people complaining about how Obamacare will mean there’s a government bureaucrat making decisions about your healthcare. Even if that were true, it’s not as if there haven’t been a bunch of insurance company bureaucrats doing exactly the same thing all along, but without the implied mandate of public servants to actually serve the public.

  30. 30.

    japa21

    June 16, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    @srv: What “fix” are you speaking about? Issa wasn’t supposed to be there, tried to force his way into a place he didn’t belong and was escorted out. Issa is an incompetent bully who for some uncomprehensible reason thinks he is some savior of the nation. He is, instead, a major symptom of what is wrong with the GOP nowadays.

  31. 31.

    japa21

    June 16, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    @Linnaeus: Graciously done.

  32. 32.

    Tommy

    June 16, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    @Kerry Reid: I was scared of what I was buying.

    For those of us who are self-employed, it’s ALWAYS been complicated, and coverage was not guaranteed.

    A number of years ago when I started to work for myself I bought Fortis insurance (which has since been sued into the ground). I caught a one in a few million virus and almost died. This is strange on many levels because I don’t even have aspirin in my house. I am blessed with amazing health.

    But things went sideways and I was in the ICU, cut from ear to ear, with a tube down my throat for a week.

    Fortis refused to pay most of the bills. If I didn’t have parents with some money I would have lost everything. I wanted to be sure that didn’t happen again.

  33. 33.

    David Koch

    June 16, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    Markos Moulitsas @markos

    Insurance companies win. Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate.

    4:39 PM – 14 Dec 2009

    Top 10 Reasons to Kill the Senate Health Care Bill

    Posted: 03/18/2010 5:12 am

    By Jane Hamsher

    1 Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance corporations — whether you want to or not.

    2 If you refuse to buy the insurance, you’ll have to pay penalties of up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS.

    3 Many will be forced to buy poor-quality insurance they can’t afford to use, with $11,900 in annual out-of-pocket expenses over and above their annual premiums.

    4 Massive restriction on a woman’s right to choose, designed to trigger a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court.

    5 Paid for by taxes on the middle class insurance plan you have right now through your employer, causing them to cut back benefits and increase co-pays.

    6 Many of the taxes to pay for the bill start now, but most Americans won’t see any benefits — like an end to discrimination against those with preexisting conditions — until 2014 when the program begins.

    7 Allows insurance companies to charge people who are older 300% more than others.

    8 Grants monopolies to drug companies that will keep generic versions of expensive biotech drugs from ever coming to market.

    9 No re-importation of prescription drugs, which would save consumers $100 billion over 10 years.

    10 The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of four will rise an average of $1,000 a year — meaning in 10 years, your family’s insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now

  34. 34.

    Kerry Reid

    June 16, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    @Roger Moore: Absolutely correct. And really — I’m not so sure that something as important as healthcare shouldn’t involve a decent amount of research on the part of the individual.

    You should at least be thinking about what diseases run in your family that might require certain regular diagnostic procedures (we’re a smorgasbord of cancer in my family — my dad died of lung cancer 35 years after he gave up smoking, my mom of colon cancer, my sister just passed from ovarian, and her twin is in remission from non-Hodgkins lymphoma — and my dad also had a stroke at age 34, so that’s another risk factor). So what medical groups are available that might work best with all of that? I was lucky that I was able to get a plan that included my now-late sister’s gynecological oncologist, who was willing to do a prophylactic spaying on me, if you will. But some things are just gonna take time and effort and research. You wouldn’t expect to buy a house or a car without doing due diligence. I guess I view health insurance in the same way. It would of course be a lot easier if we had single-payer, but that’s a ways off, I’m afraid.

    ETA: I also live in a major metropolitan area, which makes things immeasurably easier. I honestly don’t know what a lot of rural dwellers do when confronted with chronic or life-threatening conditions. It’s got to be pretty awful just from a logistical viewpoint.

  35. 35.

    am

    June 16, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    +1 for Futurama reference

  36. 36.

    Bill

    June 16, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    Now let us hope that the five Sadists on the Supreme Court don’t fuck this up.

    I will say this again, the Supremes are going to uphold ACA subsidies. The insurance industry is not interested in the death spiral that will result from a contrary holding, and enough conservative on the court will listen to the corporate interests to save the ACA.

    In this case we are lucky corporate interests and America’s interests are aligned.

    If I believed 11 dimensional chess were a thing, I’d almost think the Prez planned it this way.

  37. 37.

    Kerry Reid

    June 16, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    @David Koch: Bernie Sanders voted for ACA. PRIMARY HIM!!!! (Because you can primary people who run as independents, right?)

    Yeah, believe me, when it comes to the kill-the-bill mouthbreathing morons, my shitlist is horizontal and they will NEVER get off of it.

  38. 38.

    Tommy

    June 16, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    @Linnaeus: I didn’t like your comment but I can understand the frustration. My father might say something close to what you posted and I don’t understand it. I wonder more than I care to admit how my parents, who are nothing close to liberals, raised a liberal. I feel like there is a liberal core in them, I just need to bring it out.

  39. 39.

    Kerry Reid

    June 16, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @Tommy: That is a nightmare. I hope you’re doing better now. As one of my friends is fond of saying “It can take decades to get rich — if you even get there. But you can become poor overnight.” I will never understand people who think that they will never be unlucky enough to need some kind of social safety net or government intervention to make sure they don’t lose everything if they get sick.

    My surviving sister works for an insurance company, so she was able to steer me toward certain plans and away from others. That also helped a lot.

  40. 40.

    Linnaeus

    June 16, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    @Tommy:

    Very kind of you to say. Once again, I’m sorry for the insensitivity on my part.

    As for your own path, it’s funny how people can develop. To be sure, parental influence is significant, but it doesn’t necessarily determine where one goes, I’m sure you had some formative experiences at key times in your life that made a difference. I know I did.

  41. 41.

    catclub

    June 16, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    @japa21: I think it was a joke. The fix is in to protect Hillary and the Man is keeping Darrell Issa from learning the truth, by keeping him out of the deposition.

  42. 42.

    Richard Mayhew

    June 16, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    @Arclite: I will listen as I mow the lawn tonight. I also owe you guys a post on facility fees

  43. 43.

    Amir Khalid

    June 16, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    @catclub:
    With srv, I’m not so sure about the joke part.

  44. 44.

    Tommy

    June 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    @Linnaeus: You are more than welcome. We can all write stuff here we wish we could take back. I know I have.

  45. 45.

    raven

    June 16, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    @Linnaeus: That was really good of you, for reals.

  46. 46.

    Chyron HR

    June 16, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    John Thune called, he says that Obamacare is a failure because it’s keeping 10% of the population from getting insurance.

  47. 47.

    japa21

    June 16, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Exactly

  48. 48.

    Linnaeus

    June 16, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    @raven:

    Thank you, both for that and the opportunity to correct myself.

  49. 49.

    fuckwit

    June 16, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    @cahuenga: WINGNUT?? Fucking Turtle McConnel, the majority leader of the United States Fucking Senate, used almost the EXACT same words to describe Obamacare last week, on national television!!

    What we used to have to go nutpicking in the corners of right-wing blogs and transcripts of Limbaugh and Glenn Beck and Hannity shows to find, is now coming from the leaders of the fucking legislative branch of the country.

    O Peak Wingnut, where is thy sting?

  50. 50.

    feebog

    June 16, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    @Chyron HR:

    And you win the thread!

  51. 51.

    Elizabelle

    June 16, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    @Linnaeus: Hugs for apologizing to Tommy.

  52. 52.

    raven

    June 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    @Linnaeus: I said something stupid to one of our regulars 9 months ago. I said I was sorry and I’ve been on the shit list ever since.

  53. 53.

    Linnaeus

    June 16, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    @raven:

    That does strike me as a bit long to be in purgatory. *shrug*

  54. 54.

    raven

    June 16, 2015 at 5:20 pm

    @Linnaeus: Fuck it.

  55. 55.

    Mike in NC

    June 16, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    Darrell Issa is such a bastard he doesn’t even recycle.

  56. 56.

    Roger Moore

    June 16, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    @fuckwit:
    The inmates are now in control of the asylum.

  57. 57.

    Linnaeus

    June 16, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    As for the thread topic, while there isn’t much I’d put past this Court, I’ve been less convinced in recent days that they’ll do what we fear. IANAL, but it’s my understanding from people I know who are that the Court would have to engage in some unprecedentedly silly statutory interpretation to rule for the petitioners.

    I’d be okay, since my state has an exchange. But all those that would be thrown off the federal exchanges? That would be madness.

    ETA: Though it shouldn’t have even come to this.

  58. 58.

    cthulhu

    June 16, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    @Linnaeus:

    I’d be okay, since my state has an exchange. But all those that would be thrown off the federal exchanges? That would be madness.

    They won’t get thrown of the Federal exchanges, the subsidies anyone receives could stop, and pretty quickly I suppose without intervention.

    It does seem many states are actively seeking fixes and that the Feds have some ideas too. There would be some delicious irony if the ACA somehow managed to survive through an adverse SCOTUS ruling and eventually became stronger in the process.

    It certainly won’t do well by any of the “fixes” the GOP has suggested.

  59. 59.

    Elizabelle

    June 16, 2015 at 5:46 pm

    @raven: I love your concept of FIDO.

    Fuck it and drive on.

    I think it several times daily, in appropriate situations, and everyone I’ve ever mentioned it to has laughed and liked it. Useful concept.

  60. 60.

    raven

    June 16, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    @Elizabelle: There it is.

  61. 61.

    raven

    June 16, 2015 at 5:54 pm

    @Elizabelle: “It don’t mean nuthin” was much more common but FIDO is good. Then there is WETSU.

  62. 62.

    boatboy_srq

    June 16, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    @Brachiator: Barbara Comstock. Upscale Teahadi (Orthodox Bushist sect). How she got [s]elected I’ll never know.

  63. 63.

    workworkwork

    June 16, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    @Tommy: I was confused when I renewed my coverage on our state exchange but I called the 800 number and one of their service reps walked me through the process in less than five minutes.

    I think Healthcare.gov has something similar.

  64. 64.

    dww44

    June 16, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    @Arclite: Don’t know if Richard answered this.Anecdotally, I’ve already concluded that NPR is in the tank for their funders and beholden to the GOP’ers who keep just enough of the funding going to public radio/tv to make them dependent on them. A couple of days ago, Steve Inskeep on ATC at NPR, started off a half hour segment with a lead-in to how some folks in Atlanta weren’t able to get affordable health care from the exchanges. I admit I was so miffed I switched to a classical CD (kept in the ready to provide pleasant excapes) because they probably didn’t even mention that Georgia didn’t take the buy-in to Medicaid and consequently most folks buying on the exchanges here start out at a disadvantage.

    Seems to me that NPR is really pushing the Anti-Obamacare meme. I’m hoping that judicial restraint and common sense carry the day in the verdict. If it doesn’t go our way, I’m sorta with Booman on his take:

    Anyway, there’s been a lot of ink spilled on what would happen if the Court ruled against the administration and I’ve considered every drop of that ink to be wasted breath. The Court will not rule against the administration.

    And, if they do, then we’re such a joke of a country and the Conservative Movement’s virus has so badly infected our institutions that we might as well just pack it in and let some Saddam Hussein rule this place.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2015/6/9/17118/84489

  65. 65.

    Zinsky

    June 16, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    Yet, nearly every Republican presidential candidate, all 348 of them, insist that “Obamacare” is a failure”. It is jarring to watch such blatant, untrue propaganda being used so shamelessly and even more shocking to watch a significant number of people buying into it. Good God, Americans are gullible. I swear that you could convince a large percentage of Republican Party voters that the sun really rises in the West, just by saying Barack Obama was behind it!

  66. 66.

    magurakurin

    June 16, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @raven: for what it’s worth (not much, I reckon but..) you are not and never have been on my shit list, bro.

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