I know that nothing from the mouths of the nativist rump of the GOP should surprise me, but sweet merciful fucksticks:
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.
It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably — probably — from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.
It’s just hard to process the fact that Trump made these remarks in the year 2015.
Linnaeus
It doesn’t surprise me in the least. But folks like him were far more influential 100 years ago. So, there’s that.
David Hunt
Well, since Trump stopped maturing at about age 12, it’s as if he were making the comments in 1958 where they’d have only been deplorable instead of absolutely horrible
feebog
The guy is a major league asshole. Try not to be surprised when he calls for 50K troops to parachute into Iraq as his answer to ISIS.
JPL
That statement alone will guarantee him votes.
Jerzy Russian
Are we sure this isn’t just some elaborate internet prank being pulled on us? Has anyone seen Mistermix or DougJ lately? Maybe they have not been around here because they have been busy hacking into various news organizations and other web sites planting stories to make it look like there is this person called “Donald Trump”.
Tokyokie
Like Trump and his evil spawn are among our best. I can’t imagine that privileged bastard doing anything remotely altruistic, and if he did, he’d negate the effect with the publicity he’d demand for doing it.
Patricia Kayden
Wowzer. Wonder how he feels about “the Blacks” and “the Gays”.
Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader
Can we send them Trump?
Baud
It would be an honor to be fired by this guy.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Is what Trump said really all that different than what comes out of the mouths of the Gohmerts of this country?
joel hanes
@Linnaeus:
folks like him were far more influential 100 years ago.
Rep. Steve “wetback drug-runners with calves like cantaloupes” King, (R XenophicBigots) is still, unfortunately, pretty damned influential in some circles.
Sane Iowans are shamed, but can’t seem to dislodge him from his perch.
Iowa Old Lady
I wanna see Trump talking to a border guard. Take a selfie, DT.
Tim O
Who the fuck does he think has been making his hotels run for all these years? Mexicans, Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Hondurans, etc. etc. etc.
Twat.
Alex
“I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall” — Donald Trump
“I hire people, they do a website, it costs $3.” — Donald Trump
I feel confident in Donald Trump’s ability to accurately assess how much things should cost.
jl
Read about that English white trash, grifters and fortune seekers at Jamestown, and the religious fanatics in New England. Those people had some issues. I am sure Trump would be the first to agree. These immigrants can be handful and have to be watched closely.
So, Steve King as Trump’s veep pick? What are the odds?
I also look forward to Trump’s proposal for the totally classy and amazing TRUMP Border Fence casino/resort complex. He’ll build it himself, which means he’ll still do the country favors out of the goodness of his heart as president, which will get him a few more points in the GOP primary polls.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
This guy is polling at 10% among Republicans, will probably be on the debate stage, Mitt Romney courted him precisely to act as his birther liaison to white racists. But if Obama would only show leadership by inviting Mitch McConnell for lemonade and snickerdoodles….
also, too, this looks a lot like Darrell Issa tried to crash Trey Gowdy’s party (video)
jl
Moderation again, I’ll have to watch my language like a hawk in all comments about Trump:
Read about that English white trash, grifters and fortune seekers at Jamestown, and the religious fanatics in New England. Those people had some issues. I am sure Trump would be the first to agree. These immigrants can be handful and have to be watched closely.
So, Steve King as Trump’s veep pick? What are the odds?
I also look forward to Trump’s proposal for the totally classy and amazing TRUMP Border Fence c A $$$$ eee s *n * / resort complex. He’ll build it himself, which means he’ll still do the country favors out of the goodness of his heart as president, which will get him a few more points in the GOP primary polls.
David Koch
Ya gotta give it to Hillary. Hiring Trump to infiltrate the 2016 race and rat fuck republicans to drive up latino outrage and turnout is brilliant.
Gin & Tonic
@Alex: $3 gets you approximately 5 minutes of a web developer’s time at a median NYC salary.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@David Koch: Even if it cost her NINE BILLLL-YON DOLLARS!
srv
Well, how many border guards have you talked to John Cole?
Did Europe send their best people to the US? Did British send their best to Australia?
You should think about that.
piratedan
sounds like a business opportunity for The Dolnald to organize their best cheap labor to be outsourced to the US, maybe he should take this investment idea to the Shark Tank guys…..
rk
They all say that, just in a bit more nuanced way. I’m actually pleased that he’s said it so openly. Now watch how his popularity goes up.
Gin & Tonic
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: This guy is polling at 10% among Republicans
Seriously, is there anyone with an IQ above room temperature who can look at him and say, yup, leader of the free world right there?
Roger Moore
I don’t find that hard to believe at all. The racists have been getting bolder and bolder in expressing their racism.
dmsilev
Via Steve Benen, the DNC’s response was priceless: “Today, Donald Trump became the second major Republican candidate to announce for president in two days. He adds some much-needed seriousness that has previously been lacking from the GOP field, and we look forward hearing more about his ideas for the nation.”
Iowa Old Lady
@Alex: I love this guy.
Baud
@rk:
While I can’t say he’ll win, I can see him having a surge in the polls at some point, which will freak out the entire GOP establishment. Hopefully it’ll happen around Christmas.
different-church-lady
Holy cow, that make Sarah Palin read like William Jennings Bryan
Bubblegum Tate
Just so we’re clear, “they’re sending” means that Trump thinks people are crossing the border at the behest of their governments, right?
raven
@Bubblegum Tate:
There’s your first mistake.
JPL
@jl: Trump wants Oprah because he thinks that’s a winning ticket.
replicnt6
FTFY
Suzanne
This guy is hilarious. What a fuckin’ clown. This shit is going to make the R primary into even more of a farce. I look forward to this. Please proceed, Mr. Trump.
dmsilev
@Baud: That would make my entire year. Imagine the sort of negative ads that any vaguely competent Republican media hack could push out against Trump, and imagine his response.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think a poll asking how many people agree with that suggestion would be interesting, in a horrific sort of way.
scav
@Bubblegum Tate: Well, that or he holds to the theory that smart people with initiative are always the ones that sit like lumps wherever they were born, while lazy idiots are always the ones that pull up their own lives and figure out how to move great distances to an unfamiliar environment to see what happens. Certainly seems to be srv’s assumption. Granted, as a nation of immigrants, maybe it does explain the national IQ — assertive breeding. We’re Number One?
raven
What abut this idiot’s religion?
the google say Presbyterianism
jl
@JPL:
” Trump wants Oprah because he thinks that’s a winning ticket. ”
Is that a joke? I hope it is. I don’t want Oprah to have to go into hiding.
I can only imagine Trump talking about it “See, I know the blacks and they’ll go for Oprah like the whites will. Bring people together. She’s high class, she’s yooge with everybody, and boy, can she run a business and make some dough.”
Tokyokie
Sigh. I remember Spy magazine in its heyday routinely dismissing the bastard as a “stubby-fingered vulgarian.” And that was back when the asshole was more a New York phenomenon than a national one. But then, I remember a few election cycles ago, when the pestilence was nominally a Democrat.
gogol's wife
@Tokyokie:
Yes, all I can think when I read that is, can we send you somewhere?
Baud
@dmsilev:
Nice. I might shoot them some coin for that.
gogol's wife
@Just Some Fuckhead, Thought Leader:
Oops, should have read the thread first. Great minds think alike.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Is this even one of the ones who says he’s a comedian?
gogol's wife
@srv:
Yes, Europe definitely did send its best people to the US, like my daddy.
JPL
@jl: I read it at The Hill.
gogol's wife
@scav:
When I think what courage it took for my father, an 18-year-old, to get on a boat and sail from Bremerhaven to New York and then make his way to Milwaukee to relatives, I just can’t imagine it. He was made of far, far sterner stuff than the stubby-fingered vulgarian. (Although he had stubby fingers too.)
Insults to immigrants really burn me up.
Monkeyfister
Emma Lazarus WEEPS.
Tokyokie
@gogol’s wife: I’m thinking Antartica is seriously lacking a crooked real-estate developer.
raven
Well I was wrong about this one:
jl
@JPL: Oh dear. I guess we will hear more about this.
“A ticket like that, it’s got classy people, smart people, people can run a business and make some money, know how to get things done. But besides that, you got the glamour. Those other loser clowns don’t have any class and glamour, and style. A great country needs some glamour and style in the leaders. Look good, dress nice, smart, successful people. You got a classy, smart, savvy, glamour ticket there, Can’t lose!”
gogol's wife
@Tokyokie:
A friend of mine lived in a development owned by Trump’s father when he was a kid. He remembers that the father had the Donald, an obnoxious teen, collect the rent.
dmsilev
@Tokyokie: What did the penguins ever do to deserve that? Maybe if we take up a collection, NASA can send him to one of the outer moons of Jupiter or something.
raven
@dmsilev: One of these days Donald. . .
JPL
@jl: I hope that Oprah is sitting down when she finds out.
Bubblegum Tate
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Ditto
trollhattan
Am definitely looking forward to The Donald’s campaign stop in Brownsville, Texas, where he’ll photo-op himself yelling at Mexicans across the border. I hope to god he gets traction (not possible, i know) and picks Christie as his running mate. Holy crap, would that ever be a winning combo.
Judge Crater
The Donald. It’s too bad we lack the satirists of the 19th century. What would Samuel Clements make of this walking, talking facade of a human being. The thing with the comb-over ego. The plutocrat whose soul was dead at birth. (Perhaps he wasn’t even born, but appeared, like Rosemary’s Baby, on some lightning struck hospital gurney.)
God. He’s a latter day Nero – celebrating himself while his fellow plutocrats help themselves to America’s bounty.
If there’s a god in heaven he’ll be struck dead some day. Just disappeared like the parasitic virus that he is.
joel hanes
@raven:
What abut this idiot’s religion?
the google say Presbyterianism
That’s for show.
He worships Mammon, of course.
lgerard
The real question is, after he gets destroyed on Southern Primary Day in March, will he go third party?
The “Trump Party” fits nicely with all his other endeavors
pluege
no it’s not. the rich live inside their mirrored world populated only by sycophants (by design – a feature, not a bug). It’s not the least surprising that they manufacture their own reality, and that everyone around them reinforces it (to their faces) in order to stay in good graces.
Greed is an extremely corrosive, perverting disease.
wasabi gasp
You’re deported!
jl
@lgerard: At least a Trump third party will have more interesting logos.
Which brings to mind, BJ should have a post on the Trumps presidential primary campaign branding and logos.
This blog needs some more really high class posts, anyway
Bill Arnold
@Alex:
Oh my.
( Here’s a collection of Trumpisms from his recent speech, politico: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/donald-trump-2016-announcement-10-best-lines-119066.html )
Richard Mayhew
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: 27% is my guess
Valdivia
I am so glad you posted this. I saw is comments earlier and could not believe he actually uttered them.
JPL
@Bill Arnold: The GOP is already sending info to the news media, in order to stop him before he really starts.
boatboy_srq
@Linnaeus: 100 years ago they were complaining about the Slavs and the Poles and the Italians. Now we have Slavs and Poles and Italians in the US complaining about the Mexicans and the Hondurans and the Haitians and the Syrians and the Libyans. So there’s that, too.
@J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: It is, actually. Trump uses complete sentences with diagrammable subject-object agreement. He may use the same complete sentence multiple times, but at least he speaks English and not Wingnut Word Salad. It’s a small distinction but it’s there. As far as content goes, though: nope, it’s exactly what the other wingnuts spout.
@Gin & Tonic: Four words: Boris Johnson; Rob Ford.
pete
Hey, does this mean we get to see his income tax returns? Any of them?
On a related note, has anyone actually declared bankruptcy while running for President?
LWA (Liberal With Attitude)
@Patricia Kayden:
We will find out pretty soon, I suspect.
Brachiator
So let’s see how many of the other GOP candidates endorse this.
Hillary and Bernie both should be able to hit this one out of the park.
piratedan
@raven: perfect summation of the GOP, all titles, no lyrics… same thing happened when they tried to appropriate Springsteens’ Born in the USA
Archon
I got to give it up for Trump, he’s taking political satire to a whole new level. Who else could grab the attention of a bunch of media folks and fans, look into a camera and say, “When did we beat Japan at anything”, as a partial explanation for a Presidential run? And do it all with a straight face no less?
Well played sir.
shell
He forgot about anchor babies.
Chris
@Patricia Kayden:
I want to watch a Republican presidential candidate say “I have a good relationship with the gays.”
Tokyokie
@dmsilev: I’m all for sending Trump to a planet inhospitable to human life — Mercury would be a nice choice for him — but until NASA begins interplanetary human space exploration, we need a place to put him in the meantime. But I was figuring deep in the interior of Antartica, which would put him away from most of the penguin population. (Although, thinking back on John Carpenter’s The Thing, he may have already been there and had his body taken over by the alien invader, which was not able to properly replicate human hair.)
Goblue72
How the heck did we lose Congress to these clowns???
gelfling545
I really feel that with Trump there is some hope that when he doesn’t get the nomination(and he really couldn’t, could he?) he might run as a independent candidate & split the conservative vote. He has the ego, the money & probably no particular loyalty to the Republican party.
Eric S.
@raven: I was waiting to hear just this news. Trump follows in Reagan tradition of not understanding the songs he uses. Or even listening to them apparently.
Linnaeus
@boatboy_srq:
Oh, yeah. I point this out to my family pretty regularly – not that they’re particularly anti-immigrant, but I do it as a way of illustrating the absurdity of the position.
And I certainly don’t mean to dismiss nativist sentiment as no big deal. But it’s harder than it once was for the Trumps of the world to enact what they’d like to with respect to keeping the furriners out.
trollhattan
@Chris:
My guess: “The gays and the blacks, they LOVE me. Lots of respect, both ways.”
PurpleGirl
Before reading the thread (because I was taking a nap)…
Trump can go take a long walk off a short pier. From the Mexican and Hispanic workers I see around Queens, they are damned hard workers, working hard jobs for lowish pay because they need it to send back home to their families. They are here because they need to work and see opportunity here that they don’t see in Mexico and else where. They leave their homes, their families, their cultures to come here. It was the same when people left Europe to come here. They were coming for the chance to work at something different than what they could back in Italy, Greece, Poland, Germany, the Eastern European countries, even from the British Isles. It also played it part for Asians coming here — different opportunities and more opportunities to be better. We’ve always attracted the people who weren’t satisfied with their pre-determined lot in life in the ‘old country’.
eta: I’m sure we’d find someone in Trump’s family tree who fits this profile.
eta2: I have to make a fast trip to the store but I’ll read the original comments when I get back.
rikyrah
Al Giordano on Bernie Sanders:
https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/610927266290364416/photo/1
cmorenc
And who exactly does the author think most of the immigrants to the New World, particularly the portion that became the United States, were? The “best” of the lot were essentially speculating opportunists (essentially the Donald Trumps of their day) who had powerful enough political connections to be given huge land grants – and most of the rest were people who were of marginal or outright unsuccessful economic status back in Europe, which is why they sought a fresh start over here. And yes, there were some unsavory types among them, such as were portrayed in the movie “Streets of New York” about European/Irish immigrants living in mid-19th century New York City.
The hardest-working people in contemporary USA have nut-brown skin and work with leaf-blowers on their back, and most of them are here for the exact same reasons the English, Irish, Italians, etc. immigrated to the US a century or more ago.
BruceFromOhio
@srv: Actually, yes. Maybe you should think about that.
cmorenc
@Goblue72:
Because although their supporters are at least a substantial single-digit minority of the US electorate (and undergoing gradual demographic shrinkage as time goes on)…too many folks are simply too inattentive or lazy to bother showing up, some convinced by deliberate propaganda that it makes no difference anyway whether they show up or not.
A prerequisite of winning is bothering to show up.
Germy Shoemangler
Gavin
Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican Party!
Chris
@boatboy_srq:
And quite a few of the people bitching about the Slavs and Poles and Italians were themselves Irish, who 100 years earlier were themselves being bitched about the same way and to quite an extent still were at that point.
It’s the circle of life.
lgerard
@pete:
Mitt Romney did the party a solid by showing that you get get away with just providing 2 years of very finely manicured tax returns
sharl
@rikyrah: Oooh, that is interesting! After reading the link and some exchanges he had on twitter, it looks like Giordano is showing Sanders how socialism is ‘really done’, Giordano-style. In doing so, he is tapping a wedge into a longstanding fissure between the politically more powerful lefties of the economically comfortable class – more likely to be Sanders supporters I think – and the lower/working class (potential) lefties who Giordano is more likely to hang with.
Sanders can probably get away with ignoring the tiny faction represented by people like Giordano, just like Obama could (and did) get away with ignoring the tiny AA economic progressive/socialist faction; the kind of folks who can be found at Black Agenda Report, for example. [And in fact, BAR has something to say about Sanders as well!]
Criticism of Sanders from his left; didn’t see that coming! (but shoulda)
ETA: added link to a recent BAR post on Sanders.
sharl
@sharl: P.S. By “tiny faction” (and similar language) I am referring to the number of politically engaged intellectuals and activists in question; I am NOT referring to the (quite large) number of potential beneficiaries/constituents whose interests the former hope or claim to represent. Apologies for any confusion resulting from the unclear writerating.
Zinsky
In a sane world, this talentless, bad haircut of a man would be penniless and in a padded cell in a mental hospital. He may be the best argument for reinstatement of a 90% top marginal income tax rate I have ever seen (besides Sheldon Adelson).
Chris
@cmorenc:
The funny thing about that is that a lot of that “fresh start” thing was for people who were elites, but second tier elites according to European standards, for whom the Americas were a chance to finally be first tier.
The tradition in France (and I think much of the rest of the continent) was that the firstborn son of a noble family would inherit the title and all that went with it; the second son would join the clergy; any surviving sons after that… would go seek their fortune overseas. In another age, “overseas” might mean the Crusades. In the age of colonization, it meant America. Where they could start their own little fiefdoms of which they would be boss.
I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a similar mindset among the merchants who moved – people who’d risen as high as they could in Europe but couldn’t make it to the top because they weren’t of royal or noble blood, and so wanted to move far away where the glass ceiling would be less relevant.
GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)
@Goblue72:
Heard of gerrymandering?
SiubhanDuinne
@Archon:
Oh GOD, I want to make an August 9th joke so badly. But it would be crass and wrong.
Karen
Just call him StormTrump.
Mandalay
@lgerard:
The opposite is true; nobody embraced Romney for doing that, it cost him votes, and he lost the election.
What Romney showed was that being evasive about your income is a real liability when you are running for president.
Origuy
Trump’s mother and paternal grandparents were all immigrants. I don’t know about his German grandparents, but his mother was from the island of Lewis. Her maiden name was MacLeod, the same as about half of the people on Lewis at the time, I think, and was the daughter of a fisherman. In other words, about the same economic level as a lot of the people coming from Latin America.
Trump wants to build a wall along the Mexican border. Unless he plans to run it down the middle of the Rio Grande, most of that land is privately owned. That wall will either cut off the owners’ access to the river or cut off some of their property. The lawsuits to gain access to that property would tie up the courts for decads.
schrodinger's cat
@shell: Wonder what anchor baby Jindal has to say about this.
Kay
Okay, so don’t panic because he’s not terribly “likeable” and maybe the Bush Family will knock him out or something (ruthless, they are) but Kasich could be a bit of a challenge for Clinton.
Hope for Bush or Walker. Or any of the rest of these people, I can’t keep track of all of them.
Roger Moore
@Mandalay:
A liability, but not a disqualification.
Suzanne
Wondering why we don’t get an NBA Open Thread.
slag
@trollhattan: Reminds me of the Seth Meyers joke: Unless the Blacks are a family of white people, I bet he’s mistaken.
lgerard
@Mandalay:
I don’t think so at all, There was certainly some kvetching by reporters and the “liberal media”, but what he did was unprecedented in modern politics and he just told them to suck it.
He lost votes because it was obvious that he, and others like him, are leaches on the business community, profiting by destroying companies and communities. This, and the dubious tax avoidance schemes used by people like him would have been much clearer if anyone had got a look at anything other then the two carefully planned tax returns.
mai naem mobile
This asshole obviously doesn’t know that if he eats at a restaurant in the Western or South western U.S., he ll be most likely eating food prep d by a Mexican. Hope they don’t molest his food. And it’s not just Mexican places. Dumbass.
debbie
No comments on Trump’s statement that he’d be the best job-creating president ever created by God?
boatboy_srq
@cmorenc: People like Trump forget that one of the original thirteen English colonies was a substitute for [mostly debtor’s] prison, and another five at least began as dumping grounds for People Who Don’t Worship Like We Do™. So it’s not like Europe was sending its best four hundred years ago, either.