The end of this horrible week. Solstice on Sunday. A fresh start for everybody.
3.
NotMax
Monday is Christopher Lee memorial day of films on TCM.
4.
tybee
i’m going where there aren’t any people for a couple of days. i know a deserted barrier island (a low lying sandbar with trees) where the beaches are empty and the population consists of me and the mrs.
5.
Baud
I just saw in the last thread that Omnes has a girlfriend and he’s happy. That’s cheerful.
6.
Fred
That cartoon made me smile.
7.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Steeplejack (phone): Solstice, Father’s Day(though I had my Dad’s day dinner last night), the first day of summer(OK, solstice) and what would have been my parents 68th wedding aniv.
8.
raven
How about this. I’m glad the woman in Gastonia recognized Roof but I am not interested in how god was responsible.
9.
JPL
CBS news played John Stewart’s monologue without comment on their early morning news. Jack shit was beeped but even so, it was still a powerful.
10.
MattF
The new Pixar movie Inside Out is getting rave reviews. The reviews say that adults seeing the movie embarrass their kids by bursting into tears.
11.
JPL
@MattF: This is what A.O. Scott wrote “Inside Out” is an absolute delight — funny and charming, fast-moving and full of surprises. It is also a defense of sorrow, an argument for the necessity of melancholy dressed in the bright colors of entertainment. The youngest viewers will have a blast, while those older than Riley are likely to find themselves in tears. Not of grief, but of gratitude and recognition. Sadness, it turns out, is not Joy’s rival but her partner. Our ability to feel sad is what stirs compassion in others and empathy in ourselves. There is no growth without loss, and no art without longing.
Looking forward to a possibility that protestors may try to take the SC confe flag down.
14.
Schlemazel
@JPL:
I work with a guy that saw a sneak preview with his kids, he didn’t say anything like that – I’ll have to ask him today. He did say adults probably got more out of the movie than kids but his kids, 7 and 4 loved it.
Let’s see: the week started out with my two best friends getting married and I was the best man for one, and it was my first same-sex wedding (but not my last, I hope, including my own…) Then I got turned down for a promised promotion because the higher-ups don’t seem to think that working 10 hours a day and doing way more than my job description calls for isn’t enough despite my “substantially exceeds expectations” evaluation; my parents celebrated their 67th anniversary happily, so that was good, then some erstwhile Nazi shoots up a church.
The roller coaster at Busch Gardens ain’t got nuthin’ on me.
The Republican interpretation of the church shooting as an attack on Christians should be the last straw in their policy view on everything … for a while.
@Mustang Bobby: Time to start looking for another company, I think.
21.
JPL
For some reason, I’m streaming Joe. They just interviewed Debbie Dils and she mentioned that god was responsible for her being able to identify the murderer. Raven had heard this earlier. I’m not religious but how does one say that without realization that the same god caused the massacre.
She did make a comment about the discussion should be about the ones who lost their lives.
The only other thing that I learned from watching Joe, is the WSJ has an article about how the attack wasn’t racism. WHAT!
22.
PurpleGirl
It’s Juneteenth.
From Wikipedia:
Juneteenth, also known as Juneteenth Independence Day, Freedom Day, or Emancipation Day, is a holiday in the United States that commemorates the announcement of the abolition of slavery in the U.S. state of Texas in June 1865, and more generally the emancipation of African-American slaves throughout the Confederate South. Celebrated on June 19, the term is a contraction of June and nineteenth,[1][2] and is recognized as a state holiday or special day of observance in most states.
The holiday is observed primarily in local celebrations. Traditions include public readings of the Emancipation Proclamation, singing traditional songs such as “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” and “Lift Every Voice and Sing”, and readings by noted African-American writers such as Ralph Ellison and Maya Angelou.[3] Celebrations may include parades, rodeos, street fairs, cookouts, family reunions, park parties, historical reenactments, or Miss Juneteenth contests.[4][self-published source]
Return to my content:
That racist DR may or may not have known about the day but it today is it’s 150 anniversary. A sad one in light of the shooting but a fact. It’s time the Confederalists accepted their loss. And take down that damned flag.
23.
Another Holocene Human
Something I learned the hard way in my career (should have been obvious in retrospect because I had so few potential employers): STAY when upper management likes you and wants to promot you. FLEE when upper management dislikes you for whatever reason.
No, they aren’t going to get that better job elsewhere. They suck, nobody else will pay them what they’re getting here.
No, duh, you’re not going to change their mind.
No, they don’t magically stop hating you when they’re promoted.
No, taking a sideways promotion is not going to change anything.
24.
JPL
Now Woodward is talking about the shooter being troubled. Rather than saying the word trouble, why not call him a white supremacist who harbored hatred.
I stopped going to Juneteenth anything because it’s too damn hot in North Central Florida on Juneteenth.
At least the only thing worth writing home about going on on the 4th around here happens well after dark (probably will be the 3rd, here). I find the white folks’ patriotism around here* questionable but they sure love blowing shit up. The recession shut a few displays down but they’re back.
*ConnecticutMassachusetts Yankee**
**Mark Twain sense, dammit, Yankees SUCK!
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BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: If you could send water our way, we’d be in your debt. We’re quite thirsty here.
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Another Holocene Human
(plus I’m Irish, you know, the Untermenschen of New England for centuries, except I’m actually Midwest Irish, where we had Homestead act and dignity and lots of other Catholics around as a buffer, and happy to be so, though here I’m taken for a Florida Cracker, some of whom settled here from Ireland under the Spanish crown but eventually converted to a new religion and lost cultural ties to other Irish peoples … they also spell their names wrong)
@JPL: It’s cognitive dissonance for conservatives. They can’t accept that racism isn’t over because it challenges a lot of other things they believe. So they have to pick up a pea and turn it into a prize-winning 50# pumpkin. DON’T LOOK AT THE ELEPHANT. LOOK AWAY.
31.
Phylllis
Staying away from the news; enjoying the schadenfreude of Mickelson’s whining & Tiger’s toddler antics while the other players just get on with it at the US Open; taking Jill Leovy’s Ghettoside back to the library unread because; and being mostly a sloth until Monday.
In other news, I think my wife and I are putting a killing on this poor key lime seedling. Wrong pot, wrong soil, wrong insecticide. It’s dropping leaves now.
I have very bad track record with fruit trees. Now peppers, that I can handle.
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Gimlet
@JPL: Raven had heard this earlier. I’m not religious but how does one say that without realization that the same god caused the massacre.
Obviously the little guy with the pitchfork on Roof’s other shoulder was responsible for the shooting, not God.
@BillinGlendaleCA: I’m afraid Bill just isn’t listening to me and is going to dump another couple inches on us today. Flood warnings everywhere but (KOW) none of the roads I have to drive on are under water… yet.
Last few weeks I was thinking maybe it was time to take the “Black Lives Matter” off the truck and put up something else (Matthew 6-6 maybe). Nope. Seems like there will never be a time when that message is… Out of date.
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OzarkHillbilly
@Gimlet: Hmph… And all these years I was told God was omnipotent. I guess they lied.
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germy shoemangler
@OzarkHillbilly: and I was told the pope was infallible.
@Steeplejack (phone): I like the Scandinavian tradition of MidSummer celebrations. They get the all night sunlight thing but we could copy some of the celebratory spirit me thinks.
I am down with a stupid summer cold. As long as I don’t lose my voice I’ll be ok.
43.
MomSense
I’m exhausted today. Going to tough out a busy day and hopefully get to rest and relax later.
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D58826
ooops, the shooter didn’t get the memo. He has confessed to the killings because he wanted to start a race war. Somebody at Faux or the GOP should lose their job for not being sure this guy would stay on the anti-Christian script. (yes snark)
The only other thing that I learned from watching Joe, is the WSJ has an article about how the attack wasn’t racism. WHAT!
That’s very revealing. Here’s a mass killer who says he wants to start a race war, yet these fools say racism is not involved. That takes some determined denial of reality. If this situation doesn’t pierce it, nothing will.
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Betty Cracker
The domestic terrorist who committed the Charleston murders has confessed and said he was trying to start a race war. I’m sure more will come out about the sniveling little coward as the case moves forward, but I suspect he was in touch with white supremacist groups, online if not in person. Otherwise, how does a slack-jawed idiot like that even realize there used to be a country called “Rhodesia” and go out and purchase a commemorative patch to display on his jacket? He had fellow travelers, almost certainly.
It reminds me of that MRA dude in California who posted a video saying how much he hated women, then killed a bunch of women. Afterwards, there was all this speculation about why he did it. It was nuts.
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brantl
I would love to see that actually happen; Rush Limbaugh’s and Mark Levine’s heads would explode.
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Baud
Watching Brian Williams on Today show interview. His career is done. Not good.
50.
Germy Shoemangler
Went to “Ocean State Job Lot” to pick up various items. They’re always blasting pop tunes that I ignore while I fill my basket.
Heard “Nothing Compares 2 U” (the Sinead O’Connor version) and now it’s in my head on endless replay.
Weird thing is, I’m usually a purist who prefers the original version, but I like Sinead’s version much better than Prince or the Family.
51.
Matt McIrvin
Chris Rock now has his answer: as it turns out, shooting Medgar Evers (or the equivalent) is insufficient to get you called racist.
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JPL
@Iowa Old Lady: If wasn’t a racist terror attack, then what is?
I didn’t read the opinion piece because going to the WSJ is something a choose not to do.
And the cops processing him that sport “14” tattoos.
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Baud
For Amir
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia—A state investment fund is at the center of a burgeoning political and financial controversy that is roiling markets and leading to calls for the ouster of Malaysia’s prime minister.
STAY when upper management likes you and wants to promot you.
Exception: FLEE when upper management likes you, wants to promote you, and has mysterious, poorly-explained problems getting you a paycheck every period.
In 2004 I gnashed over our local teevee idiots showing and talking about preaching (for Shrub) fromt the pulpit. (Not the national folks, the ones preserving their preeeeeeciousssss acccccesssss, the Beltway Inbreds. The locals.)
Not one peep about risking tax-exempt status, or illegality, or anything besides “controversy”.
So, fck ’em for that.
66.
MattF
@Betty Cracker: Yeah, ‘I’m going to start a race war’ is definitely a white supremacist trope. It’s also a measure of exactly how deluded and sociopathic these guys are– what, exactly is the way this would happen? Are the Jews involved? And no, don’t try to answer either of those questions.
Supremacists seem more on the paranoid side saying the blacks will start it or blacks are taking over the country and will come after them so they prepare as survivalists or defenders.
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ThresherK
@Baud: Oops. I was responding to the speech bubble in the cartoon. “Too far”? No, not at all.
I stopped paying attention after a couple of minutes cuz it was cringe-worthy. Williams was rambling like a bad new age therapist. It looked badly rehearsed.
I suspect he was in touch with white supremacist groups, online if not in person. Otherwise, how does a slack-jawed idiot like that even realize there used to be a country called “Rhodesia” and go out and purchase a commemorative patch to display on his jacket? He had fellow travelers, almost certainly.
Someone told him “blacks are raping white women” and “taking over the country” because he didn’t just dream that stuff up. He plugged into a larger hate organization and they filled his empty bowl-cut head.
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Amir Khalid
@Baud: Here’s a very quick Wikipedia summary of the whole 1MDB mess.
In other Malaysia news, a major component party of the opposition alliance Pakatan Rakyat, the fundie Pan-Malayan Islamic Party (PAS) has ended its association with the secular party DAP, another major party in Pakatan. I was surprised they even lasted seven years together.
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Germy Shoemangler
@Valdivia: Holt is like Obama. A black man who is called to step in and clean up a ridiculous situation.
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Betty Cracker
@Gimlet: I don’t know that his particular act of terrorism was an elaborate plot that Roof executed for a larger group — I doubt that, actually. But I’d be surprised if he got his crackpot ideas about murder to kick off race wars, etc., from his own diseased noggin. The groups he had contact with — the people who influenced him — deserve exposure.
Hell, if the US can send drones half way around the world to take out some crackpot jihadi recruiter, surely we can send the gendarmes in to roll up groups that are fomenting terrorism here at home. And no, I’m not suggesting that we literally drone evil KKK fuckheads. I’m saying maybe it’s time to more thoroughly infiltrate these bastards in the name of national security.
The FBI has foiled many a crackpot loser’s ISIS or al Qaeda-inspired scheme. Anti-government and white supremacist-inspired creeps deserve the same treatment.
@Germy Shoemangler: “They’re always blasting pop tunes that I ignore while I fill my basket.”
Whohoo! OSJL in da house!
Everyone is always blasting pop tunes. I need to get some of that tinnitis which is going around, maybe crank up my wife’s punk music, because my ears are simply not aging. And it’s driving me crazy.
I think theirs stands out because they don’t spend a lot of money on redoing the spaces. Sorta like a hermit crab–another store moves away and they move into it. More plain walls for echoey goodness, no one central design. Hey, nobody expect a Nordstrom’s; they’re good at what they do.
I remember when they used to play just any old “snooze” radio station (light n’ easy favorites you can listen to at work all day!), but now I think have their own closed-circuit music service with nothing on it but the music and OSJL commercials.
It’s still a better shopping experience than any Bradlees I’ve been in since c. 1986.
80.
OzarkHillbilly
@Germy Shoemangler: I suspect the walnut did not fall far from the tree.
Thanks. When I was younger, I was really into international news and politics. I’m afraid I’ve fallen into the American habit of focusing mostly on domestic affairs.
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Germy Shoemangler
@ThresherK: The Ocean State Job Lot near us is outrageously disorganized. Always a “help wanted” sign out front. The aisles are blocked by unpacked boxes, merchandise is scattered.
I can find some good deals on things that cost twice as much elsewhere. Some stuff is expensive. I tend to buy more than I intended to.
Wandered into their book aisle. Glenn Beck. Bill O’Reilly. I didn’t see anything by Howard Zinn; maybe I should have asked.
They seem to have their own playlist of music; early 1960s caucasian doo-wop mixed with ’80s anthems.
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OzarkHillbilly
@Gimlet: When you speak with the language of violence, and violence is done in the service of that speech, you don’t get to absolve yourself of responsibility by wrapping yourself in the 1st Amendment.
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Another Holocene Human
@Betty Cracker: Good luck with that. If Charles Johnson* is still to this day getting blamed for Breivik while Pamela Gellar gets booked on TV….
Otherwise, how does a slack-jawed idiot like that even realize there used to be a country called “Rhodesia” and go out and purchase a commemorative patch to display on his jacket?
Have you listened to conservative hate radio recently? They loooooooove to harp on Zimbabwe. It’s some sort of reverse Galt scenario for the white man’s burden and they can’t get enough.
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Another Holocene Human
And YES, I am saying hate radio is white supremacist. To its core!
@Germy Shoemangler: Cheap detergents for some reason must be gussied up with the most noxious high sillage synthetic organic volatiles available. Not only is it migraine inducing it’s probably carcinogenic to boot.
When I was younger, I was really into international news and politics. I’m afraid I’ve fallen into the American habit of focusing mostly on domestic affairs.
I’ve found the foreign news services do a better job of covering our domestic news. Watched BBC news and they featured a beautiful Michelle Obama commencement speech. An amazing speech full of wisdom and compassion. The U.S. network news were too busy focusing on a water-skiing squirrel or some such thing.
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Another Holocene Human
Very jealous that in the UK you can get basic detergent and basic enzyme detergent without it being labeled (the former) “for babies” and marked up a kajillion or the latter being name brand specialty only and not available in value sizes (I’m talking about you, Tide Free & Clear). My wife finally settled on buying Arm & Hammer. It’s not really great detergent, and it gets a little moist and turns into an only somewhat crumbly rock, but it doesn’t smell or break the wallet. (My wife is allergic to the enzymes.)
FTR I only buy powder. I’m not paying you to ship water to me. Also, that liquid stuff always gets on my hands and takes days to wash off. Fuck that noise. I wish powder came in that convenient plastic jug with the handle, though. Killer fucking app, are you listening, Proctor & Gamble?
He’s been there for a while, right? I thought there was something more recent.
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Betty Cracker
@Gimlet: I think the first sentence of the post you’re replying to answers that question, but if Roof was casually talking mass murder to acquaintances who just thought he was a weird guy (as has been reported), he may very well have had conversations with people who would support such an act. I don’t know. But it’s worth looking into.
@Another Holocene Human: Johnson ran a hate site for years. I know he turned over a new leaf and repudiated his old pals, including Geller — and good for him. But it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Breivik was a fan of the old LGF. As Johnson himself speculates convincingly, a note from Breivik was front-paged by Geller years before the massacre. Why wouldn’t Breivik have also bookmarked LGF back in the day?
Regarding Geller’s appearances on TV, to the credit of the networks, the ones I’ve seen have treated her like the bigot and troublemaker she is — even Fox.
Last week the indoor cat came down with fleas. I vacuumed and sprayed RAID. Have had a migraine.
It’s not the bug-killing chemical that’s hurting my head, I really think it’s the shitty perfume they add to it doing a number on me.
I read that the companies add perfumes to their product because they fear consumers would feel ripped-off if they didn’t smell something, anything.
I don’t need the chemical equivalent of a cheap floral bouquet giving me a migraine. Just kill the damn bugs.
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Germy Shoemangler
@Baud: But it takes up what little broadcast time they have between car and pharmaceutical commercials.
I love water skiing squirrels, but I am always troubled by the knowledge they had no say in the matter. Nobody asked them if they wanted to water ski. There was no opt-out clause in their contract. So they hang on grimly and go through their paces, all the time wishing they were fornicating in an oak tree.
If the twerp had enough sense to get a decent hair cut he coulda’ got laid, scored some dope and just in general found better things to think about and ways to spend his time. Sex and drugs and rock-n-roll kept me out of trouble in my wayward youth. I highly recommend those things to occupy young people.
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Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: I am happy, but let’s not go too far. I’ve come across someone who isn’t repulsed by the concept of me – and that’s good enough for now.
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kindness
The Warriors victory parade is today downtown. I barely got to work through the already present throngs.
The only other thing that I learned from watching Joe, is the WSJ has an article about how the attack wasn’t racism. WHAT!
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That’s very revealing. Here’s a mass killer who says he wants to start a race war, yet these fools say racism is not involved. That takes some determined denial of reality. If this situation doesn’t pierce it, nothing will.
Like I said yesterday: this guy was a lone wolf. It would be absurdly easy for the WSJ and Fox News types to simply spin this with lots of “yes, it was racism, yes, it was tragic, but it was the isolated act of one deranged man; it’s not something systemic; and what about all these crimes committed by black people, do we call that racism?” Etc.
The fact that they can’t even do that, that they feel committed to deny the racism of even this one, easy-to-repudiate lunatic, speaks volumes for how in the tank they are for white supremacy.
Meanwhile, my wingnut uncle earnestly and unironically posts an article about how Islam needs to do some house cleaning and still hasn’t. Of all the times to be posting about other people’s house-cleaning needs.
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TriassicSands
I just read Kevin Drum’s comments on Rand Paul’s flat tax plan. Paul, hilariously, refers to Stephen Moore as one “of the nation’s top tax experts.” That alone is reason enough to dismiss Paul as a complete, clueless hack. Moore is one of the most dishonest and incompetent high profile Republicans, who never met a fact he wouldn’t misrepresent or outright lie about. His influence on the American political scene has been wholly negative and his economic prescriptions are the one percenters’ dream list and the poor person’s worst nightmare. I tried to send Paul an email castigating him for his tax lunacy and it seems that his contact page on the Senate website has been removed or deactivated. I guess he’s not interested in listening to opinions concerning his policies.
Oh, and the tax plan is straight out of Wonderland — just one more GOP fantasy with no real world application. Suffice it to say, using Paul’s plan would explode the budget, while enriching the already filthy rich. And it would undoubtedly require massive program cuts — to social programs, which is always the GOP’S top priority right after showering the wealthy with money.
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Brachiator
@MattF: The weird thing is that “Inside Out” may be more for adults than for children. The story seems a bit … abstract. And in the trailers, some of the animation looks good, but not particularly exciting. I hope I’m wrong. But I would say that if you have kids and they aren’t all that interested in seeing “Inside Out,” trust their instincts. I hate it when I see parents dragging their kids to an animated film just because it is animated and “safe,” as opposed to something the kids really are excited about.
Kids, and many adults, seem to be really anticipating the upcoming Minions movie.
The traditional, organized, KKK style groups are an anachronism – at least as far as actual acts of terror are concerned. As you point out, that’s not where the threat is anymore: the threat nowadays comes from people exactly like this, who act either alone or in tiny, tiny groups, the kind that would fit around a coffee table. This guy; the MRA activist from not long ago; the Giffords shooter; the Holocaust museum shooter; the Tides Foundation shooter. Oklahoma City.
Organized and publicized domestic terrorist groups are people the feds can anticipate and keep an eye on; as I recall, one of the reasons the actual KKK experienced such a downward spiral in the sixties and seventies was all the different chapters accusing each other of being riddled with police informants and not knowing who to trust. On the other hand, it’s a lot harder to anticipate a terrorist who only plans in his own head or with one or two close friends.
I don’t see any of that as a reason to give the guy any breaks, though. This is what white supremacist terrorism looks like in this day and age. Let’s treat it accordingly.
Supremacists seem more on the paranoid side saying the blacks will start it or blacks are taking over the country and will come after them so they prepare as survivalists or defenders.
This is something to ask an actual psychologist about, but I speculate that part of the reason for this is that all these people getting together openly and letting off steam about all the things they’re totally going to do as soon as the big bad government takes that one final step into Communazism… all that bragging serves as a kind of substitute for actually doing. As opposed to the lone wolves, who’ve just let all that rage build up inside them until the actual shooting is seen as their only outlet.
Great. Just what I want another sad kid’s movie. Seriously, I am so sick of it – Big Hero 6, Dragon 2, Paddington, etc. All of them have death and mourning in them. Just what my little nephews need to see as they are still struggling with losing their Grandpa.
Making cartoon movies and aiming the stories at adults and adult issues is annoying. They are supposed to be for kids and maybe the kids don’t need to see traumatic death scenes in cartoons. It’s been going on since Bambi where my mom had to carry me out screaming at the top of my lungs in the first 10 minutes. But, it seems to be almost impossible to avoid nowadays. Even in Frozen, the parents die.
I am at the point where I have to read spoilers for these movies before taking my nephews to them. They are upsetting them too much.
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Tree With Water
One sweet dream came true today. Somewhere somebody fell in love, or welcomed a baby, or found a place to call home. It’s important to remember such things at certain times.
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Another Holocene Human
@askew: That’s why my parents refused to take me to E.T. Hangover Disney trauma.
But they did let me see the totally grooooovy Yellow Submarine. I watched it again years later … like how many drugs was this animator on?! One step up from Bakshi. I loved that movie as a child. Formative experience.
I think small children actually like movies with mortal terror (not REALLY small children, my sister was 3 during THE CARE BEARS MOVIE and not in a mind to forgive that one) but not actual death. Kids don’t even really understand death until maybe 7 or 8 and then it really frightens them.
The Doctor Blake Mysteries is on WMPT (22?) at 9:00 or 10:00 tonight, if you want to check it out.
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Brachiator
@askew: Paddington was based on a beloved series of British books and the movie was warmly received in the UK, hitting number 1 two weeks running. Some of the best Japanese animation deals with death and loss. And of course, you not only had Bambi, but also Dumbo and the live action Old Yeller, so this is not a new trend by any means.
But obviously, if these movies don’t appeal to you or your family, you want alternatives. I don’t think that there is death in Inside Out, and Minions, which opens July 10, should be anarchic fun. You might want to avoid the live action Max, opening June 26, about a military dog suffering from PTSD.
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raven
not really
Steeplejack (phone)
The end of this horrible week. Solstice on Sunday. A fresh start for everybody.
NotMax
Monday is Christopher Lee memorial day of films on TCM.
tybee
i’m going where there aren’t any people for a couple of days. i know a deserted barrier island (a low lying sandbar with trees) where the beaches are empty and the population consists of me and the mrs.
Baud
I just saw in the last thread that Omnes has a girlfriend and he’s happy. That’s cheerful.
Fred
That cartoon made me smile.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Steeplejack (phone): Solstice, Father’s Day(though I had my Dad’s day dinner last night), the first day of summer(OK, solstice) and what would have been my parents 68th wedding aniv.
raven
How about this. I’m glad the woman in Gastonia recognized Roof but I am not interested in how god was responsible.
JPL
CBS news played John Stewart’s monologue without comment on their early morning news. Jack shit was beeped but even so, it was still a powerful.
MattF
The new Pixar movie Inside Out is getting rave reviews. The reviews say that adults seeing the movie embarrass their kids by bursting into tears.
JPL
@MattF: This is what A.O. Scott wrote
“Inside Out” is an absolute delight — funny and charming, fast-moving and full of surprises. It is also a defense of sorrow, an argument for the necessity of melancholy dressed in the bright colors of entertainment. The youngest viewers will have a blast, while those older than Riley are likely to find themselves in tears. Not of grief, but of gratitude and recognition. Sadness, it turns out, is not Joy’s rival but her partner. Our ability to feel sad is what stirs compassion in others and empathy in ourselves. There is no growth without loss, and no art without longing.
JPL
@raven: God works in mysterious ways.
Aleta
Looking forward to a possibility that protestors may try to take the SC confe flag down.
Schlemazel
@JPL:
I work with a guy that saw a sneak preview with his kids, he didn’t say anything like that – I’ll have to ask him today. He did say adults probably got more out of the movie than kids but his kids, 7 and 4 loved it.
Mustang Bobby
Let’s see: the week started out with my two best friends getting married and I was the best man for one, and it was my first same-sex wedding (but not my last, I hope, including my own…) Then I got turned down for a promised promotion because the higher-ups don’t seem to think that working 10 hours a day and doing way more than my job description calls for isn’t enough despite my “substantially exceeds expectations” evaluation; my parents celebrated their 67th anniversary happily, so that was good, then some erstwhile Nazi shoots up a church.
The roller coaster at Busch Gardens ain’t got nuthin’ on me.
BruceFromOhio
Summer solstice, may Gaia bless your lands, your loves, and your lives.
Should be easy pulling weeds after all the rain.
BillinGlendaleCA
@BruceFromOhio: What is this “rain” you speak of?
Gimlet
The Republican interpretation of the church shooting as an attack on Christians should be the last straw in their policy view on everything … for a while.
Voter fraud, global warming…
Another Holocene Human
@Fred: ditto
Another Holocene Human
@Mustang Bobby: Time to start looking for another company, I think.
JPL
For some reason, I’m streaming Joe. They just interviewed Debbie Dils and she mentioned that god was responsible for her being able to identify the murderer. Raven had heard this earlier. I’m not religious but how does one say that without realization that the same god caused the massacre.
She did make a comment about the discussion should be about the ones who lost their lives.
The only other thing that I learned from watching Joe, is the WSJ has an article about how the attack wasn’t racism. WHAT!
PurpleGirl
It’s Juneteenth.
From Wikipedia:
Juneteenth, also known as Juneteenth Independence Day, Freedom Day, or Emancipation Day, is a holiday in the United States that commemorates the announcement of the abolition of slavery in the U.S. state of Texas in June 1865, and more generally the emancipation of African-American slaves throughout the Confederate South. Celebrated on June 19, the term is a contraction of June and nineteenth,[1][2] and is recognized as a state holiday or special day of observance in most states.
The holiday is observed primarily in local celebrations. Traditions include public readings of the Emancipation Proclamation, singing traditional songs such as “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” and “Lift Every Voice and Sing”, and readings by noted African-American writers such as Ralph Ellison and Maya Angelou.[3] Celebrations may include parades, rodeos, street fairs, cookouts, family reunions, park parties, historical reenactments, or Miss Juneteenth contests.[4][self-published source]
Return to my content:
That racist DR may or may not have known about the day but it today is it’s 150 anniversary. A sad one in light of the shooting but a fact. It’s time the Confederalists accepted their loss. And take down that damned flag.
Another Holocene Human
Something I learned the hard way in my career (should have been obvious in retrospect because I had so few potential employers): STAY when upper management likes you and wants to promot you. FLEE when upper management dislikes you for whatever reason.
No, they aren’t going to get that better job elsewhere. They suck, nobody else will pay them what they’re getting here.
No, duh, you’re not going to change their mind.
No, they don’t magically stop hating you when they’re promoted.
No, taking a sideways promotion is not going to change anything.
JPL
Now Woodward is talking about the shooter being troubled. Rather than saying the word trouble, why not call him a white supremacist who harbored hatred.
OzarkHillbilly
@BillinGlendaleCA: Glug glug glug
Another Holocene Human
@PurpleGirl: Thanks for the reminder.
I stopped going to Juneteenth anything because it’s too damn hot in North Central Florida on Juneteenth.
At least the only thing worth writing home about going on on the 4th around here happens well after dark (probably will be the 3rd, here). I find the white folks’ patriotism around here* questionable but they sure love blowing shit up. The recession shut a few displays down but they’re back.
*
ConnecticutMassachusetts Yankee****Mark Twain sense, dammit, Yankees SUCK!
BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: If you could send water our way, we’d be in your debt. We’re quite thirsty here.
Another Holocene Human
(plus I’m Irish, you know, the Untermenschen of New England for centuries, except I’m actually Midwest Irish, where we had Homestead act and dignity and lots of other Catholics around as a buffer, and happy to be so, though here I’m taken for a Florida Cracker, some of whom settled here from Ireland under the Spanish crown but eventually converted to a new religion and lost cultural ties to other Irish peoples … they also spell their names wrong)
Another Holocene Human
@JPL: Is that Bob Woodward?
Another Holocene Human
@JPL: It’s cognitive dissonance for conservatives. They can’t accept that racism isn’t over because it challenges a lot of other things they believe. So they have to pick up a pea and turn it into a prize-winning 50# pumpkin. DON’T LOOK AT THE ELEPHANT. LOOK AWAY.
Phylllis
Staying away from the news; enjoying the schadenfreude of Mickelson’s whining & Tiger’s toddler antics while the other players just get on with it at the US Open; taking Jill Leovy’s Ghettoside back to the library unread because; and being mostly a sloth until Monday.
Another Holocene Human
@BruceFromOhio:
@BillinGlendaleCA:
It finally rained last night where I’m at.
Much nicer this morning than last few mornings.
In other news, I think my wife and I are putting a killing on this poor key lime seedling. Wrong pot, wrong soil, wrong insecticide. It’s dropping leaves now.
I have very bad track record with fruit trees. Now peppers, that I can handle.
Gimlet
@JPL: Raven had heard this earlier. I’m not religious but how does one say that without realization that the same god caused the massacre.
Obviously the little guy with the pitchfork on Roof’s other shoulder was responsible for the shooting, not God.
JPL
@Another Holocene Human: yes
@OzarkHillbilly: Are you going to get more rain today?
OzarkHillbilly
@BillinGlendaleCA: I’m afraid Bill just isn’t listening to me and is going to dump another couple inches on us today. Flood warnings everywhere but (KOW) none of the roads I have to drive on are under water… yet.
Last few weeks I was thinking maybe it was time to take the “Black Lives Matter” off the truck and put up something else (Matthew 6-6 maybe). Nope. Seems like there will never be a time when that message is… Out of date.
OzarkHillbilly
@Gimlet: Hmph… And all these years I was told God was omnipotent. I guess they lied.
germy shoemangler
@OzarkHillbilly: and I was told the pope was infallible.
Guess it’s not true if he disagrees with fox news
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
They weren’t saying God, they were saying Baud.
OzarkHillbilly
@germy shoemangler: Say WHAT????? You mean he’s just a man after all? Ohhhhh woooee… My world is crashing all around me.
Gimlet
@germy shoemangler:
Dude needs to publicly excommunicate Santorum and watch for the next chess move.
Baud
@Gimlet:
Where are the calls to deny communion to conservative apostates?
Valdivia
@Steeplejack (phone): I like the Scandinavian tradition of MidSummer celebrations. They get the all night sunlight thing but we could copy some of the celebratory spirit me thinks.
I am down with a stupid summer cold. As long as I don’t lose my voice I’ll be ok.
MomSense
I’m exhausted today. Going to tough out a busy day and hopefully get to rest and relax later.
D58826
ooops, the shooter didn’t get the memo. He has confessed to the killings because he wanted to start a race war. Somebody at Faux or the GOP should lose their job for not being sure this guy would stay on the anti-Christian script. (yes snark)
Iowa Old Lady
@JPL:
That’s very revealing. Here’s a mass killer who says he wants to start a race war, yet these fools say racism is not involved. That takes some determined denial of reality. If this situation doesn’t pierce it, nothing will.
Betty Cracker
The domestic terrorist who committed the Charleston murders has confessed and said he was trying to start a race war. I’m sure more will come out about the sniveling little coward as the case moves forward, but I suspect he was in touch with white supremacist groups, online if not in person. Otherwise, how does a slack-jawed idiot like that even realize there used to be a country called “Rhodesia” and go out and purchase a commemorative patch to display on his jacket? He had fellow travelers, almost certainly.
Baud
@D58826:
It reminds me of that MRA dude in California who posted a video saying how much he hated women, then killed a bunch of women. Afterwards, there was all this speculation about why he did it. It was nuts.
brantl
I would love to see that actually happen; Rush Limbaugh’s and Mark Levine’s heads would explode.
Baud
Watching Brian Williams on Today show interview. His career is done. Not good.
Germy Shoemangler
Went to “Ocean State Job Lot” to pick up various items. They’re always blasting pop tunes that I ignore while I fill my basket.
Heard “Nothing Compares 2 U” (the Sinead O’Connor version) and now it’s in my head on endless replay.
Weird thing is, I’m usually a purist who prefers the original version, but I like Sinead’s version much better than Prince or the Family.
Matt McIrvin
Chris Rock now has his answer: as it turns out, shooting Medgar Evers (or the equivalent) is insufficient to get you called racist.
JPL
@Iowa Old Lady: If wasn’t a racist terror attack, then what is?
I didn’t read the opinion piece because going to the WSJ is something a choose not to do.
Gimlet
@D58826:
And the cops processing him that sport “14” tattoos.
Baud
For Amir
Matt McIrvin
@D58826:
He was about 300 years too late. Awfully one-sided though.
Gimlet
@Betty Cracker:
Lots of Supremacist groups out there including the Klan, but they don’t engage in mass murder for attention or to push their beliefs forward.
This is a wet-behind-the-ears manchild and that fact needs to be weighed in sorting all this out.
Matt McIrvin
@Another Holocene Human:
Exception: FLEE when upper management likes you, wants to promote you, and has mysterious, poorly-explained problems getting you a paycheck every period.
raven
@Gimlet: You’re a fucking idiot.
Gimlet
@raven:
I guess that Supremacists engage in mass murder of blacks 2 to 3 times a month and Roof is really 40 years old but lying about his age.
Matt McIrvin
@Gimlet: Only because they don’t think they’ll get away with it like they used to.
BillinGlendaleCA
@raven: Come on raven, don’t beat around the bush. Tell us what you really think.
Iowa Old Lady
@JPL:
Since rightists need to claim the victim status for themselves, we get the “attack on Christians” stuff.
Valdivia
@Baud: I was curious about what that interview would be like. Incredible how he went from being the face of the nightly news to…gone.
Baud
@Valdivia:
It was amazingly swift.
ThresherK
Not at all.
In 2004 I gnashed over our local teevee idiots showing and talking about preaching (for Shrub) fromt the pulpit. (Not the national folks, the ones preserving their preeeeeeciousssss acccccesssss, the Beltway Inbreds. The locals.)
Not one peep about risking tax-exempt status, or illegality, or anything besides “controversy”.
So, fck ’em for that.
MattF
@Betty Cracker: Yeah, ‘I’m going to start a race war’ is definitely a white supremacist trope. It’s also a measure of exactly how deluded and sociopathic these guys are– what, exactly is the way this would happen? Are the Jews involved? And no, don’t try to answer either of those questions.
Baud
@ThresherK:
That was random.
Baud
@MattF:
It would be nice of his actions and his blatant admission of his motive had the opposite effect.
Gimlet
@MattF:
Supremacists seem more on the paranoid side saying the blacks will start it or blacks are taking over the country and will come after them so they prepare as survivalists or defenders.
ThresherK
@Baud: Oops. I was responding to the speech bubble in the cartoon. “Too far”? No, not at all.
Valdivia
@Baud: What was the interview like?
I am glad for Holt, I like him as anchor.
Baud
@ThresherK: Gotcha. That speech bubble seems so long ago now.
Baud
@Valdivia:
I stopped paying attention after a couple of minutes cuz it was cringe-worthy. Williams was rambling like a bad new age therapist. It looked badly rehearsed.
Germy Shoemangler
@Betty Cracker:
Someone told him “blacks are raping white women” and “taking over the country” because he didn’t just dream that stuff up. He plugged into a larger hate organization and they filled his empty bowl-cut head.
Amir Khalid
@Baud:
Here’s a very quick Wikipedia summary of the whole 1MDB mess.
In other Malaysia news, a major component party of the opposition alliance Pakatan Rakyat, the fundie Pan-Malayan Islamic Party (PAS) has ended its association with the secular party DAP, another major party in Pakatan. I was surprised they even lasted seven years together.
Germy Shoemangler
@Valdivia: Holt is like Obama. A black man who is called to step in and clean up a ridiculous situation.
Betty Cracker
@Gimlet: I don’t know that his particular act of terrorism was an elaborate plot that Roof executed for a larger group — I doubt that, actually. But I’d be surprised if he got his crackpot ideas about murder to kick off race wars, etc., from his own diseased noggin. The groups he had contact with — the people who influenced him — deserve exposure.
Hell, if the US can send drones half way around the world to take out some crackpot jihadi recruiter, surely we can send the gendarmes in to roll up groups that are fomenting terrorism here at home. And no, I’m not suggesting that we literally drone evil KKK fuckheads. I’m saying maybe it’s time to more thoroughly infiltrate these bastards in the name of national security.
The FBI has foiled many a crackpot loser’s ISIS or al Qaeda-inspired scheme. Anti-government and white supremacist-inspired creeps deserve the same treatment.
Valdivia
@Baud: yikes. Glad I didn’t watch it.
ThresherK
@Germy Shoemangler: “They’re always blasting pop tunes that I ignore while I fill my basket.”
Whohoo! OSJL in da house!
Everyone is always blasting pop tunes. I need to get some of that tinnitis which is going around, maybe crank up my wife’s punk music, because my ears are simply not aging. And it’s driving me crazy.
I think theirs stands out because they don’t spend a lot of money on redoing the spaces. Sorta like a hermit crab–another store moves away and they move into it. More plain walls for echoey goodness, no one central design. Hey, nobody expect a Nordstrom’s; they’re good at what they do.
I remember when they used to play just any old “snooze” radio station (light n’ easy favorites you can listen to at work all day!), but now I think have their own closed-circuit music service with nothing on it but the music and OSJL commercials.
It’s still a better shopping experience than any Bradlees I’ve been in since c. 1986.
OzarkHillbilly
@Germy Shoemangler: I suspect the walnut did not fall far from the tree.
Gimlet
@Betty Cracker:
Are you thinking Roof was a “suicide bomber” for the Supremacists, brainwashed and aimed at a target?
Baud
@Amir Khalid:
Thanks. When I was younger, I was really into international news and politics. I’m afraid I’ve fallen into the American habit of focusing mostly on domestic affairs.
Germy Shoemangler
@ThresherK: The Ocean State Job Lot near us is outrageously disorganized. Always a “help wanted” sign out front. The aisles are blocked by unpacked boxes, merchandise is scattered.
I can find some good deals on things that cost twice as much elsewhere. Some stuff is expensive. I tend to buy more than I intended to.
Wandered into their book aisle. Glenn Beck. Bill O’Reilly. I didn’t see anything by Howard Zinn; maybe I should have asked.
They seem to have their own playlist of music; early 1960s caucasian doo-wop mixed with ’80s anthems.
OzarkHillbilly
@Gimlet: When you speak with the language of violence, and violence is done in the service of that speech, you don’t get to absolve yourself of responsibility by wrapping yourself in the 1st Amendment.
Another Holocene Human
@Betty Cracker: Good luck with that. If Charles Johnson* is still to this day getting blamed for Breivik while Pamela Gellar gets booked on TV….
*-the other one, not the poop monster
ThresherK
@Germy Shoemangler: Didn’t you just describe every OSJL?
Another Holocene Human
@Germy Shoemangler: I have a Big Lots near me. Close to the OSJL vibe, I think. Although they’re trying to sell furniture too.
Gimlet
@OzarkHillbilly:
Tell that to Rush, Faux, Glenn Beck…
Another Holocene Human
@Betty Cracker:
Have you listened to conservative hate radio recently? They loooooooove to harp on Zimbabwe. It’s some sort of reverse Galt scenario for the white man’s burden and they can’t get enough.
Another Holocene Human
And YES, I am saying hate radio is white supremacist. To its core!
OzarkHillbilly
@Gimlet: I have.
Germy Shoemangler
@ThresherK:
I’ve only been in two. They were both like that. I just assumed it was a symptom of my part of the country.
@Another Holocene Human:
We have one, too. I get a headache walking through the cleaning products aisle. A hundred perfumy chemicals competing to give me a migraine.
Another Holocene Human
@D58826: FOX will never acknowledge this.
Baud
@Another Holocene Human:
What’s happening in Zimbabwe?
Another Holocene Human
@Germy Shoemangler: Cheap detergents for some reason must be gussied up with the most noxious high sillage synthetic organic volatiles available. Not only is it migraine inducing it’s probably carcinogenic to boot.
OzarkHillbilly
White man spewing racial slurs threatens to kill black Virginia churchgoers
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Robert Mugabe is happening in Zimbabwe.
Germy Shoemangler
@Baud:
I’ve found the foreign news services do a better job of covering our domestic news. Watched BBC news and they featured a beautiful Michelle Obama commencement speech. An amazing speech full of wisdom and compassion. The U.S. network news were too busy focusing on a water-skiing squirrel or some such thing.
Another Holocene Human
Very jealous that in the UK you can get basic detergent and basic enzyme detergent without it being labeled (the former) “for babies” and marked up a kajillion or the latter being name brand specialty only and not available in value sizes (I’m talking about you, Tide Free & Clear). My wife finally settled on buying Arm & Hammer. It’s not really great detergent, and it gets a little moist and turns into an only somewhat crumbly rock, but it doesn’t smell or break the wallet. (My wife is allergic to the enzymes.)
FTR I only buy powder. I’m not paying you to ship water to me. Also, that liquid stuff always gets on my hands and takes days to wash off. Fuck that noise. I wish powder came in that convenient plastic jug with the handle, though. Killer fucking app, are you listening, Proctor & Gamble?
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:
He’s been there for a while, right? I thought there was something more recent.
Betty Cracker
@Gimlet: I think the first sentence of the post you’re replying to answers that question, but if Roof was casually talking mass murder to acquaintances who just thought he was a weird guy (as has been reported), he may very well have had conversations with people who would support such an act. I don’t know. But it’s worth looking into.
@Another Holocene Human: Johnson ran a hate site for years. I know he turned over a new leaf and repudiated his old pals, including Geller — and good for him. But it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if Breivik was a fan of the old LGF. As Johnson himself speculates convincingly, a note from Breivik was front-paged by Geller years before the massacre. Why wouldn’t Breivik have also bookmarked LGF back in the day?
Regarding Geller’s appearances on TV, to the credit of the networks, the ones I’ve seen have treated her like the bigot and troublemaker she is — even Fox.
Baud
@Germy Shoemangler:
I’ve been trying to do that more. That said, I can’t seriously fault domestic news outlets for featuring a water skiing squirrel.
Another Holocene Human
@tybee: Not my idea of fun but hope you enjoy it and the weather is gentle :)
you must love the sea with that user name
Germy Shoemangler
@Another Holocene Human: I agree.
Last week the indoor cat came down with fleas. I vacuumed and sprayed RAID. Have had a migraine.
It’s not the bug-killing chemical that’s hurting my head, I really think it’s the shitty perfume they add to it doing a number on me.
I read that the companies add perfumes to their product because they fear consumers would feel ripped-off if they didn’t smell something, anything.
I don’t need the chemical equivalent of a cheap floral bouquet giving me a migraine. Just kill the damn bugs.
Germy Shoemangler
@Baud: But it takes up what little broadcast time they have between car and pharmaceutical commercials.
I love water skiing squirrels, but I am always troubled by the knowledge they had no say in the matter. Nobody asked them if they wanted to water ski. There was no opt-out clause in their contract. So they hang on grimly and go through their paces, all the time wishing they were fornicating in an oak tree.
Baud
@Germy Shoemangler:
Squirrels and I apparently have a lot in common.
WereBear
@Germy Shoemangler: You might not have needed the RAID. Diatomaceous earth, sprinkled in the carpet, works as well.
http://www.thebugsquad.com/fleas/diatomaceous-earth-fleas/
Fred
If the twerp had enough sense to get a decent hair cut he coulda’ got laid, scored some dope and just in general found better things to think about and ways to spend his time. Sex and drugs and rock-n-roll kept me out of trouble in my wayward youth. I highly recommend those things to occupy young people.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: I am happy, but let’s not go too far. I’ve come across someone who isn’t repulsed by the concept of me – and that’s good enough for now.
kindness
The Warriors victory parade is today downtown. I barely got to work through the already present throngs.
Chris
@Iowa Old Lady:
Like I said yesterday: this guy was a lone wolf. It would be absurdly easy for the WSJ and Fox News types to simply spin this with lots of “yes, it was racism, yes, it was tragic, but it was the isolated act of one deranged man; it’s not something systemic; and what about all these crimes committed by black people, do we call that racism?” Etc.
The fact that they can’t even do that, that they feel committed to deny the racism of even this one, easy-to-repudiate lunatic, speaks volumes for how in the tank they are for white supremacy.
Meanwhile, my wingnut uncle earnestly and unironically posts an article about how Islam needs to do some house cleaning and still hasn’t. Of all the times to be posting about other people’s house-cleaning needs.
TriassicSands
I just read Kevin Drum’s comments on Rand Paul’s flat tax plan. Paul, hilariously, refers to Stephen Moore as one “of the nation’s top tax experts.” That alone is reason enough to dismiss Paul as a complete, clueless hack. Moore is one of the most dishonest and incompetent high profile Republicans, who never met a fact he wouldn’t misrepresent or outright lie about. His influence on the American political scene has been wholly negative and his economic prescriptions are the one percenters’ dream list and the poor person’s worst nightmare. I tried to send Paul an email castigating him for his tax lunacy and it seems that his contact page on the Senate website has been removed or deactivated. I guess he’s not interested in listening to opinions concerning his policies.
Oh, and the tax plan is straight out of Wonderland — just one more GOP fantasy with no real world application. Suffice it to say, using Paul’s plan would explode the budget, while enriching the already filthy rich. And it would undoubtedly require massive program cuts — to social programs, which is always the GOP’S top priority right after showering the wealthy with money.
Brachiator
@MattF: The weird thing is that “Inside Out” may be more for adults than for children. The story seems a bit … abstract. And in the trailers, some of the animation looks good, but not particularly exciting. I hope I’m wrong. But I would say that if you have kids and they aren’t all that interested in seeing “Inside Out,” trust their instincts. I hate it when I see parents dragging their kids to an animated film just because it is animated and “safe,” as opposed to something the kids really are excited about.
Kids, and many adults, seem to be really anticipating the upcoming Minions movie.
Chris
@Gimlet:
The traditional, organized, KKK style groups are an anachronism – at least as far as actual acts of terror are concerned. As you point out, that’s not where the threat is anymore: the threat nowadays comes from people exactly like this, who act either alone or in tiny, tiny groups, the kind that would fit around a coffee table. This guy; the MRA activist from not long ago; the Giffords shooter; the Holocaust museum shooter; the Tides Foundation shooter. Oklahoma City.
Organized and publicized domestic terrorist groups are people the feds can anticipate and keep an eye on; as I recall, one of the reasons the actual KKK experienced such a downward spiral in the sixties and seventies was all the different chapters accusing each other of being riddled with police informants and not knowing who to trust. On the other hand, it’s a lot harder to anticipate a terrorist who only plans in his own head or with one or two close friends.
I don’t see any of that as a reason to give the guy any breaks, though. This is what white supremacist terrorism looks like in this day and age. Let’s treat it accordingly.
Chris
@Gimlet:
This is something to ask an actual psychologist about, but I speculate that part of the reason for this is that all these people getting together openly and letting off steam about all the things they’re totally going to do as soon as the big bad government takes that one final step into Communazism… all that bragging serves as a kind of substitute for actually doing. As opposed to the lone wolves, who’ve just let all that rage build up inside them until the actual shooting is seen as their only outlet.
askew
@JPL:
Great. Just what I want another sad kid’s movie. Seriously, I am so sick of it – Big Hero 6, Dragon 2, Paddington, etc. All of them have death and mourning in them. Just what my little nephews need to see as they are still struggling with losing their Grandpa.
Making cartoon movies and aiming the stories at adults and adult issues is annoying. They are supposed to be for kids and maybe the kids don’t need to see traumatic death scenes in cartoons. It’s been going on since Bambi where my mom had to carry me out screaming at the top of my lungs in the first 10 minutes. But, it seems to be almost impossible to avoid nowadays. Even in Frozen, the parents die.
I am at the point where I have to read spoilers for these movies before taking my nephews to them. They are upsetting them too much.
Tree With Water
One sweet dream came true today. Somewhere somebody fell in love, or welcomed a baby, or found a place to call home. It’s important to remember such things at certain times.
Another Holocene Human
@askew: That’s why my parents refused to take me to E.T. Hangover Disney trauma.
But they did let me see the totally grooooovy Yellow Submarine. I watched it again years later … like how many drugs was this animator on?! One step up from Bakshi. I loved that movie as a child. Formative experience.
I think small children actually like movies with mortal terror (not REALLY small children, my sister was 3 during THE CARE BEARS MOVIE and not in a mind to forgive that one) but not actual death. Kids don’t even really understand death until maybe 7 or 8 and then it really frightens them.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Valdivia:
Hope you feel better soon.
The Doctor Blake Mysteries is on WMPT (22?) at 9:00 or 10:00 tonight, if you want to check it out.
Brachiator
@askew: Paddington was based on a beloved series of British books and the movie was warmly received in the UK, hitting number 1 two weeks running. Some of the best Japanese animation deals with death and loss. And of course, you not only had Bambi, but also Dumbo and the live action Old Yeller, so this is not a new trend by any means.
But obviously, if these movies don’t appeal to you or your family, you want alternatives. I don’t think that there is death in Inside Out, and Minions, which opens July 10, should be anarchic fun. You might want to avoid the live action Max, opening June 26, about a military dog suffering from PTSD.