Marriage used to be so meaningful -find a man, negotiate your position among the wives, pray for the marginal stability of breeding a son…
— Alice R Fraser (@aliterative) June 27, 2015
Marriage used to be so much more innocent – it was just turn thirteen, get married, meet your husband…
— Alice R Fraser (@aliterative) June 27, 2015
Marriage used to be so simple. You'd meet a man, buy his daughter; make awkward conversation til she died in childbirth. What went wrong?
— Alice R Fraser (@aliterative) June 26, 2015
Some people hold all the wrong things sacred…
Dude, it was built by slave labor. Warren G. Harding fucked there. Andrew Jackson kept a giant cheese wheel in it. pic.twitter.com/TvAP9EPmfP
— Big Sexy Jeb! Lund (@Mobute) June 27, 2015
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Apart from wounded fee-fees, what’s on the agenda for the afternoon?
bemused
Stephan Colbert:
“Wow, history moves fast. It’s hard to believe that gays achieved full constitutional personhood just five years after corporations did.”
Baud
I for one am shocked, shocked to see politics going on in the White House.
Baud
@bemused:
Corporations have been legally able to merge for a lot longer than five years.
piratedan
I guess there’s still a whole bunch of folks that need the comfort of having people to feel superior to in order to prevent them from any kind of introspective action.
Poopyman
Tea Party tears:
Although to be honest, that’s just the start of the
emailgrift. It goes on:It goes on, but they could have made it much shorter:
Kropadope
@bemused:
The Other Bob
Folks were calling for this a few days back…
Activist climbs pole, takes down traitor flag.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/activist-removes-confederate-flag-south-carolina-statehouse
Hopefully someone will take it down again…and burn it.
Cervantes
@Poopyman:
“You’re outraged. Give me your money!”
hilts
Bree Newsome takes down the Confederate Battle Flag at the South Carolina State Capitol
h/t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr-mt1P94cQ
http://www.mediaite.com/online/woman-climbs-pole-and-removes-confederate-flag-from-sc-state-house
Kropadope
@The Other Bob: See? Isn’t that way better than simply buying one and burning it? What good is flag symbolism without a little conquest?
Germy Shoemangler
Marriage used to be so much simpler and innocent
Pardon me while I have a strange interlude…
The Other Bob
He’s just trolling them now. So funny they fall into his trap.
Baud
This LGM post is accurate.
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2015/06/on-scalias-showoff-dissents
Germy Shoemangler
Listening to 1930s Artie Shaw after a thorough vacuuming of the house.
Fleas on the cat.
Sprayed downstairs and upstairs (Ra1d! Flea Spray™) and instantly regretted it, because I had a headache for two days, and the cat was listless and vomity.
I won’t be spraying any more of that crap. Sprinkled baking soda on all the rugs, let it sit, and then vacuuming like crazy. Gave the cat a topical flea treatment on the back of her neck. She rotated her head like Linda Blair to lick it off.
But things seem to be under control. Artie Shaw is helping.
Kropadope
@Poopyman:
Well, I know what my new desktop wallpaper is.
MattF
Today’s main event seems to be rain. It’s been raining since I crawled out of bed this morning and there’s a flood watch until 2 am. There’s a strong temptation to just lie down and listen to the pitter-patter of the raindrops.
mb
“Dude, it was built by slave labor. Warren G. Harding fucked there. Andrew Jackson kept a giant cheese wheel in it.”
Also, Geo. W. Bush lived there. If that didn’t desecrate it, nothing will.
Gimlet
God is angry!!
The Donald has not done enough for God. Trump Tower IS burning.
Germy Shoemangler
@MattF:
Today’s main event seems to be rain.
This season we can never go more than two days without a downpour. I’ve been waiting to varnish our new porch railing, but the wood keeps getting soaked.
ruemara
Trying to draw up the willpower to leave the house, probably go buy y meds (because of course I’m running out, of course). I may say fuck it and break into the rent stash for lunch. At times I rebel against the limitations of my life. And then come back, sit my ass down and try to get some more work done. But I am so tired.
Cacti
The White House is also where Nixon plotted how to cover up the Watergate burglary.
Germy Shoemangler
Here’s some tasty wingnut tears, if anyone’s thirsty:
My local online news has been full of comments like this. They are sad.
MattF
Richard Posner’s comments on the Obergefell dissents is worth reading. I’ll just note that he doesn’t even bother saying anything about Scalia’s dissent.
srv
Even the kids are fed up:
Imagine whole-grain biscuits rammed down your throat every morning.
Kropadope
@Germy Shoemangler:
No one is proposing banning the Confederate Flag. Now, conflating the removal of a rebel flag from a government building with bans and censorship, that is Orwellian.
@srv:
That’s too bad, because school cafeteria food 20 years ago was AWESOME!!!!
/RoseColoredAhistory
Germy Shoemangler
@Kropadope: Some tasty eliminationist rhetoric from him: “Progressive Socialists are a cancer in our society!”
That sort of talk is everywhere. They want us dead.
Germy Shoemangler
@Kropadope: Remember the Mystery Meat? Man, that stuff was awesome! Why did Michelle have to come along and ruin everything for our kids??
Gimlet
More “snowball logic”
Republican Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma says he has a lot of friends in the LGBT community who thought the Supreme Court decision on Friday ruling bans on same-sex marriages are unconstitutional was a “bad decision.”
“It’s a very liberal court and we saw what happened last week,’ Inhofe told the CBS-affiliated KOTV in Oklahoma on Friday.
“It is unfortunate that the Court took it upon itself to decide for the people what was being appropriately debated and decided in the states through the democratic process,” the statement added.
Baud
@Gimlet:
BULL
SHIT
mai naem mobile
I want Obama to hold an event in a massive venue for his supporters and have him in one of those souped up big wheel pick up trucks. He should stand in the back of the truck doing victory laps with a confederate flag burning in the middle. Obama should just troll the hell out of the RWNJs flying the Kenyan flag, the rainbow flag and of course a musleemy flag. All with ‘We are the Champions’ blaring in the background.
Baud
@mai naem mobile:
A fitting tribute to Freddie Mercury.
different-church-lady
@srv:
I dunno what’s going on in this country today: back when I was a kid the school cafeteria provided plenty of bland and tasteless food even without the federal government depriving them of salt.
MattF
@mai naem mobile: Well, y’know, that’s basically what he did yesterday.
different-church-lady
@Gimlet:
In other words, the destination would have been the same, but we’re only pissed off about the car we’re traveling in.
Yeah, James, not buying it.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Back in my day, kids would sneak drugs into school. Thanks (Michelle) Obama!
Germy Shoemangler
@different-church-lady: non dare da mangiare al troll
bemused
@Baud:
It’s a joke and a funny one. Tweet Colbert and let him know he needs to be more precise.
different-church-lady
@Baud: They do today, now that salt is CONTRABAND!
fuckwit
@bemused: It was the late 1890s when corporations became people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad_Co . So, gay folk have had to wait a long time.
Baud
@bemused:
Colbert?
Gimlet
@different-church-lady:
Same argument from the fifties “The Court didn’t need to do that, we were slowly moving to an era of Civil Rights. We just needed a little more time”
MattF
@Gimlet: Just another century or two, and we might be willing to consider the possibility of thinking about it. Or not.
Baud
@MattF:
I’m confident Oklahoma was just about to turn the corner.
Old Dan and Little Ann
My goddamn dog’s leash broke this a.m. and he’s off following his nose. A lady called me at 10:00 a.m. to tell me she had him but he escaped her yard. Thanks a bunch lady. A guy called me a few hours later to tell me he found the leash stuck on a log with his collar at the other end. No Yeller. Fucking Bollocks. The last time Yeller ran away he was found 24 hours later 15 miles away. Luckily he has a chip but I am super pissed he wiggled his way out of his collar because it has my cell number on it.
Elizabelle
Someone here mentioned director Penelope Spheeris’s “The Decline of Western Civilization” (film about punk rock) a few days ago.
She’s reissued her 3 films as a box set. $48 pre-order; dropping June 30.
Thank you to whoever got me interested in this … I think …
Eric Nny
@mai naem mobile: I like how you roll.
Poopyman
@different-church-lady: Through the wonders of modern food prep (back in the day), they somehow managed to load the food with salt and STILL made it bland.
Baud
@Old Dan and Little Ann:
Oh man. I’d be going crazy. But sounds like he can take care of himself.
Elizabelle
@Old Dan and Little Ann: Whoa. I hope that story ends well. Good luck.
henqiguai
@Germy Shoemangler(#14):
When a couple of our cats, who liked to ‘escape’ outdoors for a few minutes, brought flea infestations into the house, we washed them then laid down a coating of flea powder; a light brushing with the broom to work it in, let sit for ’bout 30 minutes then vacuumed. It cleared the carpet and furniture, and put flea powder into the vacuum to keep working in there. Less mess and a whole lot cheaper than a spray.
John Revolta
@Gimlet: “The South was getting ready to ban slavery ANYWAY. It was JUST ABOUT to HAPPEN!!”
Germy Shoemangler
@henqiguai: good advice.
Poopyman
@Baud:
Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark.
bemused
@fuckwit:
@Baud:
Quote from Stephan Colbert’s take on SCOTUS SS marriage decision this week.
Germy Shoemangler
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3JQmRxsfQNo/VY38fL_wNOI/AAAAAAAAWJw/OWDBxnwfpY4/s1600/1per.jpg
Tommy
@different-church-lady: How about it. In the 70s the school lunches I got were some of the worse things I’ve ever eaten. They called it “food” I beg to disagree.
Now to be somewhat serious for a few, food is something I am pretty serious about. If Michele can do ANYTHING to make school food better you go girl. For lower income people it might be the only “good” meal(s) they get all day. Even for the other students, go sit near the food court at your local mall for a hour, look how overweight most of the children are.
Clearly their parents are not feeding them well. If schools could just give them one healthy meal a day, more power to them.
shell
Which must be a daily event for these bed-wetters.
“you know how dirty he fights…”
Yup, like singing ‘Amazing Grace’ at a church.
WaterGirl
@Old Dan and Little Ann: That would be so distressing. Please let us know when you get him back.
It’s terrifying when they get out. I live one long block away from a busy street, so whenever I see someone holding a leash or a collar or calling for their dog, I jump in my car to see if I can help. In early spring it was 50 degrees out and some poor guy was alternately running and walking with an empty collar in his hand – and he was shirtless. I had a favorite sweatshirt in the car and I threw it to him so he wouldn’t freeze to death. That one took 90 minutes to find. Man, these dogs are crafty!
The guy last week didn’t have a leash. Jumped in the car to help him, too. That one only took 15 minutes to find. But with a big dog and no leash, he was walking stooped over holding the dog by the collar. I drove home and got a leash and brought it to him. This time, at least I got the leash back!
bemused
I doubt many school district lunches have been tasty for decades.Back in the 50’s and early 60’s, I know small town school lunches were more like home cooked meals cooked almost from scratch. I don’t think they skimped on salt and pepper which probably the only spices used.
Old Dan and Little Ann
@ baud and Elizabelle
Thanks. We adopted him fours year ago August and this is his 4th escape. If he avoids cars someone will zap his chip sooner rather than later. Amazingly the last lady to find him saw him coming out of a swamp and she stopped and Yeller hopped right in car. She was a breeder way out in the country and had her own personal chip zapper and called me right away. I really wish he had a go pro on so I could at least follow his adventures.
On the bright side I’ve spent the afternoon pissing off my sister on FB. If she votes she votes republican and she hates hearing my “liberal bullshit.” Yet she loves the Supreme Court decision about gay marriage. The fact that she lives in Texas has given me even more ammo to piss her off with factual information.
shell
How many times do these morons have to be told that there’s not rainbow flag flying over a state capital or government building.
John Revolta
@mai naem mobile: Yeah, well it’s all fun and games until shit gets real. Some of these nuts sound like ready to go over the top. If I’m Obama I’d be doubling down on the Secret Service about now.
Old Dan and Little Ann
@WaterGirl: That’s very kind of you. Cheers.
KG
@The Other Bob: i wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to someone burning it while it was on the flag pole. A mouthful of bourbon and a lighter should do the trick
Tommy
@bemused: It is possible to return to that. I am a huge fan of Jamie Oliver and he had a show in the US that didn’t last long. Food Revolution. Most of the shows are on YouTube. He went into a school in WV and totally changed how they cooked and served meals.
Everybody was against him at first, like with Michele trying to make modest changes. He keep telling them he wasn’t trying to tell or order/force them to do this or that. He just wanted to show them there was a different way. Oh and he didn’t want their children to be overweight or die an early death.
The concept for the show came about from something he did in the UK. He took his cooking show to a prep school and was stunned by the food being served. He showed you could buy all local, had the kids cook healthy meals, and did it all for LESS money.
Somehow the Queen of England caught wind of what he did and put in place a plan much like Michele Obama did, although far more aggressive, to change how food was bought, cooked, and served nationwide.
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
@WaterGirl:
You are awesome!
:-)
…
Keith
For those interested in the Women’s World Cup – two games today.
Both will be seen in the States on cable/satellite, on the Fox Sports channel. Times are 4PM and 7:30PM EST respectively for the Australia vs. Japan and England vs. (hosts) Canada fixtures.
US Senior Open golf taking precedence for the 1st, Cubs vs. Cardinals small ball booting the 2nd on Fox main.
Brachiator
@Germy Shoemangler:
Yeah, this stuff is sad. Some nonsense, some half truths, and a stubborn refusal to move beyond idiotic butthurt.
On the other hand, I look forward in a way to the 4th of July weekend. I think there will be a lot of social media discussions about the Supreme Court decisions and related stuff. And I am going to have some fun talking about the same sex marriage decision with some unhappy folk over tasty barbecue. They are not total nutcases, but have a little difficulty separating church from state, and want to use the Bible to justify everything they like.
Germy Shoemangler
@Brachiator:
Every wingnut comment I’ve ever seen. And I’ve seen quite a few.
KG
@different-church-lady: I feel like the original conversation went more like this…
administrator: salt is contraband on campus?
local teacher: no, salt is available in the cafeteria.
administrator: then why are students sneaking salt onto campus and selling it?
local teacher: that’s bath salts
administrator: so what’s the problem, i used bath salts at the spa last week, was great for my skin
local teacher: can we get someone who knows what they’re talking about?
Tommy
@Brachiator: I went to a bar in my little rural town last night. A very young audience. I brought up the SCOTUS decision to a few people and their responses were such I lost even more faith in mankind. I mean this was a demographic of folks that were supposed to be more open to same sex marriage and the like.
Well my random sample, and it was a small sample I grant you, well not so much. It made me very depressed I had to drink a little more.
Aleta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgYO3Se-VHk
Everyday I Write the Book – Ron Sexsmith & Elvis Costello
Tehanu
@Tommy:
The late great Phil Austin (of the Firesign Theatre) had a terrific rant about school food under the title “Developmental Valley School Menus.” A typical item:
“Wed: Mystery Potato; Curd; Slippery Tart; Milk Pie; Leg Salad Sandwich; Clear Liquid.”
VFX Lurker
@bemused:
@Kropadope:
There’s an action-comedy in Japan called Upotte!! where almost all of the characters are guns. The main character is a Belgian FN FNC named “Funco.”
Japan has stricter gun control laws than the United States, though. This may have inspired the whimsy of Upotte!!
MattF
@Tommy: Maybe I’m wrong, but– I suspect that young people in a bar in a small town on a Friday evening aren’t going to publicly announce their sympathy with homosexuals. Bad venue for that.
Tommy
@Tehanu: Here is the entire first show of Food Revolution. If you got nothing else going on at the moment it is worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-azG0C4q5Y
At many points I found it almost hard to watch.
MomSense
@srv:
What is this obsession with things being rammed down throats? Why are right wingers always imagining things being rammed down throats?
Brachiator
Here’s a little something for your “state’s rights” friends and acquaintances (Facebook trolling encouraged):
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/message-claim-confederate-flag-represents-heritage/
MattF
@MomSense: Yeah, it’s… an odd metaphor.
Schlemazel
@Germy Shoemangler: My mom used to read the school menu every week & say things like, “Tuesday they are having pizza, that sounds good, would you rather buy lunch?” The one day the school had a special program for the PTA & school lunch was served. She never again asked me if I want to buy my lunch. That was nearly 60 years ago, I doubt it has gotten any better but I don’t think that it is FLOTUS fault.
JPL
@Old Dan and Little Ann: I hope the pup is okay and you find him soon.
Shortly after I rescued Finch, he dug under the fence and took off. I had my phone number on his tag and was called within a hour. He just sat outside someone’s door until he was allowed in. He then promptly jumped in the owners lap. I was questioned about what type of pet owner I was because the dog was so sweet he wouldn’t just take off. lol
Germy Shoemangler
@MomSense:
It’s srv’s obsession.
Schlemazel
@Baud:
Pack it in – you won the Inter-tubes today!
Please submit an email address they can be sent to
MomSense
@Old Dan and Little Ann:
I hope you have him home safe and sound soonest.
Aleta
@Old Dan and Little Ann: This from the Humane Society (tip #4 and #5) has 4 links to internet sites, so people can contact you in case he’s seen.
Baud
@bemused: Gotcha. You linked to the wrong comment of mine, so I was confused.
Tommy
@Schlemazel: My mom wouldn’t let me eat school lunches either. My mom wasn’t any master chef by any means of the phrase but she cooked, from scratch, three meals a day.
It took a lot of effort but it was how her mother did it and her mother before. It was just the way it was done.
Now my niece eats most of her meals off a takeout menu. From pretty high-end places, they don’t do the McDonalds thing, but it still makes me kind of sad.
She also doesn’t eat much and the docs are somewhat worried. Funny when she comes to my house for a day and I cook she seems to eat. I wonder if there is a correlation or she is just a VERY polite 6 year old that eats what I cook to me “nice.”
Who knows ……
Schlemazel
@henqiguai:
We never had a problem – but then out cats never leave the yard – till we lived in FLorida and man those were some very nasty fleas. Big, heavy things with a very evil bite.
I worked with a crazy cat lady, she was housing about 30 strays, housing, not fostering. She and her husband had no upholstered anything in the house. Chairs & sofa were made from concrete blocks and 2x4s that she would put small pillows and covers on, everything had to go into the wash. Tile floors only. Mattress was kept in a plastic bag. I love cats a lot and hate to see abandoned/strays but there is no way I would live like that if I had a choice.
Villago Delenda Est
Andy Mallette is one fucked up twat. “Most sacred building in the country”? WTF? Everyone knows that’s the New York Stock Exchange, or the gold depository at Fort Knox.
Brachiator
@Tommy:
Yeah, I understand this, but I am so happy about the Supreme Court decision, that even churlish opposition can’t get me down.
I was reading about the couple in Dallas, who were able to get married after 54 years together. 54 years of love and devotion. Hell, how many straight couples could match this?
And some of the things this couple and other gay people had to deal with before getting simple justice:
Imagine having to leave town because you had been “exposed” for being gay. What crime had these people committed? None. How was society protected by trying to humiliate these people?
But today, Jack Evans and George Harris can marry and live their lives just like anyone else. And people want to try to say that this is somehow wrong or bad.
The Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage is just marriage. I looked out the window today. The world has not blown up. Society has not fallen. I think I’ll have a burger for lunch.
Schlemazel
@Poopyman:
Not for Fat Tony, he is immune but man are historians going to have a fine time with him. He will easily be seen as the worst Justice – and that is saying something. Thomas should thank his lucky stars because he will only be noted when historians look at the whole court but unremarkable compared to Scalia
fuckwit
@John Revolta: I’m noticing a pattern. Sputtering outrage from the wingnuts, which elicits victory laps and gloating amongst us on the left, which then amps up the wingnuts into even more sputtering outrage, which then makes us go “whoaa… shit… those guys could be dangerous…” Maybe there’s something we can do to break that pattern.
I am starting to think that gloating is not a smart strategy. It’s not a contest, a battle, is it? Who wants it to be? Who wins from divisiveness and culture war? Hint: we as a country don’t, and I’m not sure that the left does, and I’m not sure that the groups we’re trying to help and advocate for do either.
But I can’t really speak to this since I’m not in aggrieved or oppressed group really. So I can only offer an observation that the people I know who have been oppressed seem to want to just be treated normally and with respect and agency– not to eliminate or destroy their oppressors, just to get them to stop fucking oppressing them. I have to wonder if a lot of the people treating this like a gladiatorial contest might be on the sidelines, not directly in the battle.
I’m happy that the country has taken some important steps towards being a more just and equal society. But I am backing away slowly from the “in your face, fucking wingnuts!!” kind of vibe. Also, too, the work is nowhere near done yet anyway. It’s a long process.
TheMightyTrowel
Spent the afternoon at the big Christopher street day parade (what the Germans call pride) and party here in Berlin where I’m visiting on fellowship for a few months. Good fun but the dueling edm party buses gave me a wicked migraine and i had to slunk home early.
Had one of those 30-something moments of insight while watching cute teenaged lesbians cuddling that my relationship with my parents is not great because of their discomfort with my sexuality (bi/pan) – really wish I’d been more militant and less accommodating in high school when i lived with them. Maybe we’d talk more now….
Old Dan and Little Ann
@Aleta: Thanks. I’ve called all local animal controls and the place where we adopted him. Also tons of shares via the book of faces. When we first got him my wife and joked that it stunk he had a chip because if he ran away he’d be traced back to us. That’s how big a pain in the ass he first was. Now he’s just a minor pain in the ass and we’re grateful he’s chipped.
fuckwit
@Brachiator: Actually, those kinds of stings are still ongoing, i.e. by police in Minneapolis airport bathrooms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal
Villago Delenda Est
@MomSense: They’re obsessed with sex, period. Anything that has the slightest chance of a sexual meaning, they’re obsessed with. They’re more obsessed with sex than the average visitor at a pr0n site. Which explains why the most hits come from Utah.
Tommy
@Brachiator: Well it only got me “down” for a few minutes. I’ve got a couple bookmarks for that Dallas couple and anytime I get depressed I am headed to look at those pics and read their story again and again.
They are just wonderful beyond words. As a straight dude I can’t for the life of me, no matter how hateful a person might be towards “the gays,” how they can look at those pics and not at least smile a little.
I love this quote from one of them:
Amen dude!!!!!!!!!!!
opiejeanne
@Tommy: it’s probably not the age group that’s the problem, it’s more likely where you live. You said rural, and rural in my experience means low-information or bad information, and conservative.
Along the West Coast, most of the territory west of I-5 is blue, most of the area to the east is red, and rural. The blue patches are also in and around big cities. YMMV.
JPL
@TheMightyTrowel: That makes me sad. As a parent of adult sons, all I can say is they are missing out.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Name two, Jimbo
Name one
Tree With Water
I wondered if, or when, this would happen. I wondered because of a famous pre-WW2 incident in NYC involving someone hauling down a swastika flag. Earlier today, my kind of American patriot climbed a flagpole on South Carolina’s capital grounds, disregarded commands to cease and desist, and hauled down the Stars and Bars. Way to go.
Baud
@fuckwit:
Seriously? The only thing that can break the patterns it to keep their political party out of power for as long as possible. I’m not a big gloater either, but whether or not there is gloating really doesn’t make a lot of difference.
TheMightyTrowel
@JPL: don’t get me wrong, we still email and Skype but I’m also 100% aware that we get on better now that i live on the opposite side of the planet and i don’t feel any pressure to go back and visit.
Germy Shoemangler
You’re A Sweet Little Headache
Artie Shaw orchestra; vocal by Helen Forrest
Great way to spend a Saturday afternoon. The yard and garden work is done; the cat is dozing peacefully.
Germy Shoemangler
@Baud:
You’re right. Let them heckle from the sidelines for a few generations.
fuckwit
@Baud: Yeah, that’s the best option right there.
Tommy
@opiejeanne: You might think that would be the case but I live in a pretty darn “blue” district. So “blue” that in the last election, and it was all about very low voter turn out, we elected a Republican for the first time in 70 years.
ThresherK
@Germy Shoemangler: The original post sounds as solid as the “viral” “student-made” video about hungry kids…which turned out to be originated by a teacher.
I’m not even gonna bother searching for it; too much RW crap to sift through.
Aleta
@Baud: The stupid and outrageous writings and remarks by Scalia and all his fellow politicians (lifetime tenure hasn’t diverted him from that calling) do not mean they are stupid. They are whipping up the base, turning out the vote. I read that quote from the Daily Caller (I think AL put up, about Roberts breaking his part of the bargain); and it brought home to me that ( paraphrasing) (was it James Carville?): It’s the next election, stupid.
Tommy
@Germy Shoemangler: I mentioned this last night and will mention it again. When my state Legislature passed a same sex marriage bill a few years ago many on the right yelled the end of the world was upon us. Doom and gloom.
They did this for a few weeks sounding all crazy and shit.
Then those few weeks passed and the sky didn’t fall. Dogs were not lying down with cats. Couples that were married stayed married.
And now NOBODY, even in elections where you have far, far right people running even bring it up.
I think the same thing will happen here on a national level. Something else will come up for the Republicans to freak out about and they’ll just move on.
Or so I hope …
Germy Shoemangler
@ThresherK: You’re right.
Chris
@mb:
Geo W. Bush lived there… Reagan and Nixon planned and ordered their crimes against the constitution there… Hoover and Buchanan fiddled while America burned there… Rutherford B. Hayes sold out every black person in America to get there… Yeah, I admire the optimism of anyone who still thinks it’s sacred.
SatanicPanic
Kinda funny how Conservatives are like “Keep up the flag! It’s historic!” but put a rainbow on the White House and they’re like “how dare you use public buildings to promote a social agenda”
Germy Shoemangler
@Chris: Don’t forget Nancy Reagan and her astrologers. What a sacred place!
Aleta
@Baud: The comment in that LGM piece, fcking funny:
bemused
@Tommy:
Yes, I remember reading about Oliver’s efforts. Shocking thing is how many kids can’t recognize some or many vegetables in their raw state. I suppose having kids plant gardens at school would be another Michelle thing parents would rebel against doing.
Tommy
@efgoldman: Darn right. We won public opinon. We won before the SCOTUS. We always had the moral high ground. Fuck it I am going to gloat. Clearly members of the LGBT did the heavy lifting, but there are many, many straight folks like myself that expended some time, money, and effort to help out in small ways here or there. Darn it again we won!!!!!!!
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
Watching the African American woman take down the flag of treason, in a video linked upthread, brought tears to mine eyes.
seeing that fucking pole without that blood and shitstained rag, brought even more
Bravo, brave and honorable woman, and kudos to her helper and look out.
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mai naem mobile
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, Inhofe is friends with Lindsey Graham and his longtime boyfriend John McCain. There’s two people right there.
opiejeanne
@fuckwit: our state assemblyman many years ago was arrested one night in the restroom at the big park in Riverside. That was not long after Willy Brown had his desk moved to a broom closet for not voting as directed. He didn’t run for reelection after the broom closet incident. The men’s room incident would have finished his career if he had.
Tommy
@bemused:
It is hard for me to say what part of the show was most heartbreaking, but the scene that you mentioned above has to be close to the top of the list. It wasn’t like Jamie was showing those 7-8 year olds Brussel sprouts.
They didn’t know the name for tomatoes and potatoes. How the fuck is that possible?
But there was also that scene of the very, very overweight teenager and Jamie had the mother put all the food she had just bought on the kitchen table. There wasn’t a SINGLE item that was not in a box wrapped in plastic.
Everything they would eat for the week would either come out of a microwave or a deep fryer. As something of a foodie that has to be one of the more depressing things I’ve seen or thinking that this is how many, many of my fellow Americans live.
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
@Tommy:
First they came for…
Springs to mind…
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NonyNony
@Gimlet:
Liar.
Liar.
Pants. On. Fire.
I mean really – who’s he trying to kid?
Chris
@Tommy:
Decades and decades of comparing gays to pedophiles, of being told that their happiness would destroy America and warranted an armed revolution, of right wing bastards settling the issue by passing bans simply because the polls allowed them to… of being told that AIDS was God’s judgment in them and shouldn’t be cured, or that they were thr cause of 9/11.
Yes, by all means, gloat. It’s not even a fraction of what these shits deserve.
Brachiator
@fuckwit:
Yeah, but it wasn’t just the stings in the Dallas case. It was publishing the names in the Sunday paper in order to deliberately damage the lives of those outed. This was persecution, not the prosecution of any law for a legitimate purpose.
Today, while I can understand why those who are still closeted might want to solicit sex in public restrooms, it is obnoxious behavior and not necessary for most people, gay or straight.
opiejeanne
@Tommy: it ain’t blue if the Dems don’t show up to vote.
I was describing what I had observed on the west coast which may not apply anywhere else.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
via Jamelle Bouie
But it’s not about race, or the totally unrelated Confederate flag. I turned on MSNBC today, and apparently we’re under an increased terror alert for the Fourth of July period. This is not the terrorism we’re looking for.
(also, I did see another blog post about this, and I think it’s been determined that the Tallahassee fire was caused by a downed electric cable
bemused
@Tommy:
People who have always eaten that way think changing to making meals from scratch, fresh vegetables, etc. will be so difficult and they will hate the food. They don’t realize that their food tastes will change and it doesn’t have to take as long as they fear. We’ve never had a weight problem but we just changed our eating habits and cooking and now find a lot of food way too sweet, salty or fatty when eating out or at events.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
This thread may be too dead for this question, but I’ll try it anyway: my 2 nieces (15 and 9) are flying out to visit. I bought their tickets yesterday. Would a parent think it’s weird for me to include the 15-year-old on the email that has the itinerary?
Debbie
@Poopyman:
I fear they may never recover. There’s still so much outrage over Obama’s calling the White House his house.
MomSense
@Villago Delenda Est:
They all seem to be so focused on the exact same sexual images.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Mnemosyne (tablet): childless myself, but if she’s going to be in charge of the other kid, and she has a smartphone, it’s probably the most efficient way for her to get the info, and they can go over it with her, explain fight numbers and gates and delays and whatnot if they’re not experienced travellers
Schlemazel
@Tommy:
My mom could almost boil water (by her own admission) when she got married at 18. By 40 she was an accomplished cook with an international repertoire and a pretty regular business. She knew good food and the school lunch did not pass her test
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
Have no idea abt the parents in question, but when i was 15, mine let me fly to sweden solo, though that was in 1980, when the world was a safer (ha!) place.
You could send the itinerary direct, rather than cc.
.02
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I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Old Dan and Little Ann: Our Sophie was an escape artist for her first ~ 5 years or so with us, then mostly settled down. But she’s a hunter mutt (part Dachshund if one believes her DNA test – along with traces of GSD, Bernese Mountain Dog, Great Dane, German Shorthaired Pointer and Irish Water Spaniel) and will still take off after squirrels in the back yard if she gets a chance. We got a harness for her and it works pretty well.
Best of luck getting Yeller back safe and sound!
Cheers,
Scott.
Tommy
@Chris: I am a very, very competitive person. Played about every sport know to man as a kid. I was a terrible loser. When my father saw this he pulled me aside and told me you can tell a lot about the character of a person by how they handle losing. I was showing a lack of character and if I didn’t change that, well I would play no more sports.
To say I hate losing would be an understatement. But I learned to lose with dignity. If you beat me at something I will burn inside with a white hot rage, but you will never know/see it.
I will have a smile on my face. Shake your hand. Tell you, well you were better than me. Congrats!
I say this because we’ve seen the true character of these Republicans in defeat and it ain’t pretty. We knew this was who they were. We’ve all known it for a long time.
But I hope beyond hope that all those that say they are Independents in polls. Say they hate politics. Who don’t read about it or post on sites like this.
I hope they are watching and see the Republicans for their lack of character. For who they really are. Oh and they are kind of hateful as well.
VidaLoca
@Baud:
@fuckwit:
Here’s something I heard of just yesterday that I think is an even better idea: Meryl Streep urges Congress to back equal rights amendment .
Fuckwit, I disagree with your basic premise. While I think it’s realistic to argue that “the people I know who have been oppressed seem to want to just be treated normally and with respect and agency– not to eliminate or destroy their oppressors, just to get them to stop fucking oppressing them” — the fact is that they are not going to get the chance to do so, so long as the standards of the bigots, the terrorists, the oppressors remain the normative standards that we operate under.
So we should be clear: when laws that privilege bigotry get slapped down, hard, in Indiana (and consideration is stopped cold in other states) we win. When some fool’s bid to start a race war turns into a movement to pull down the Confederate battle flag, we win. When the legal challenges to Obamacare finally run off the rails, we win. When SSM is finally legalized, we win. And I will make the assumption that none of those points are controversial with you or anyone else here but here’s the thing: when you win it’s important to take a moment to celebrate, even though (or even especially when) the victories are symbolic as they are in the first two examples I cited. Because it’s a chance to savor our ability to stand up, to resist the norms and the standards of the people who are fully and incorrigibly determined to make our society a poorer place.
We can wish that these people would go away but they will not. We’re at the point where either they’re going to rule, or we are. Political campaigns are one way of trying to maintain and ensure our power although I don’t have much faith in our ability to win political campaigns. But they’re what we have at the moment.
Which is why I think this is a great time to bring up the ERA again: it’s a perfect wedge issue at a perfect time. While I don’t have too much faith in Ms. Streep’s ability to be a leader of a mass movement I do think her ability as a figurehead for same is considerable. I hope this strategy goes beyond letters to Congress (really? letters to fucking Congress?) because if it grows legs it will be one hell of a wedge issue.
MomSense
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
I don’t think that is weird. Maybe just say at the beginning of the email that you are copying your niece in case she needs to refer to the flight details on the travel day.
This is a great thing you are doing for your nieces.
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
@MomSense:
Re: Republican obsession with gay sex.
These people view sexual conquest through the lens of a predator.
That they’re straw gay men may do as they do to women, to them squicks them the fuck out. And as they would happily ram their dick down a throat regardless of concent, the idea that the tables might be turned fills them with bowel evacuating terror. The uncloseted at least.
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Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
@Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™:
My problem is that I’m dealing with someone who is not, shall we say, a normal parent, so I want to make sure I’m not crossing some line that normal parents would object to before I do it.
Schlemazel
@Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™:
I read a book, sorry do not remember the name, written by a guy who traveled the South just as the war came to an end. It was fascinating. One of the vignettes was a two black women who saw a returning Confederate soldier. Before he had left to fight he had been an overseer had had whipped them both. They grabbed the guy, tied him to a tree and whipped him. Probably not a proud moment but certainly a deserved one. I would love to have interviews with the three of them.
It made me happy to see her take down that rag of treason in defense of slavery. I worry about her safety though.
Schlemazel
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
I hope they wouldn’t! The 15 year old is old enough to lead the expedition, they should be included!
Tommy
@bemused: @Schlemazel: Yes to both of you. My parents did a ton of wonderful things for me. But I have always felt close to the top of the list was all my meals were cooked and every night, NO MATTER what, at 5:30 we sat down as a family and had a huge dinner and talked about our days.
Mom also let me into the kitchen to cook anytime I wanted. The only rule, you HAD to eat what you cooked. That got me going down a path to when I lived by myself I taught myself to cook pretty darn well. Heck I just put a huge TV in my kitchen for the first time so I can stream YouTube videos from my tablet to learn even more :).
Heck one of the things I enjoy the most when I am dating a women is having her over and cooking for her. Next to my home office, or what I call my Media Center, by far my favorite room in the house is the kitchen.
When I do this I am usually stunned by two things. (1) they have no idea how to cook and (2) there are some many foods that I consider a staple in my life they have never even tried (like real rice for example, and not just white).
Jay C
@Brachiator:
The two old guys in matching dark suits? Theirs was one of the first pictures I saw online after the Obergefelle decision came down, and my first thought (seeing it was from Texas) was that they were a couple of Republican legislators “standing in the courthouse door” for some nefarious reason or other. Then I read the text, and realized that yeah, they WERE standing in the courthouse door – to get married! After 54 years!
Moral: R.T.W.T. ….
Brachiator
@Tommy:
Here’s where I like to quote the Bible to people who don’t get it, and want to hate people just for loving.
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
Understood. Tread lightly. Kinda figgered that the question was asked, because of an out of an ordinary situation.
Without more detail, i got nothing that has not already been suggested.
Have a blast when they arrive, if you can.
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Tree With Water
@Chris: Those people whose angst you celebrate today put me in mind of the nazified generation at the conclusion of WW2. Some grew into understanding of what had happened, others did not. But if you look at the German people today, they are arguably the most historically cognizant nation on earth.
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
@Schlemazel:
I worry abt here as well.
Thanks for the reply.
Can’t say for sure if i would not have responded exactly as the ex slaves on your tale. For i have never been whipped.
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VidaLoca
@Schlemazel:
If she’s completely alone and doing it as a one-off, yeah it’s pretty foolhardy. If she’s got friends around to protect her while she’s doing it, it’s less so. If some of them are ready to go up and get the next replacement flag, it’s even less so.
Supposedly there’s already a kickstarter up to cover her bail. Somebody’s doing some organizing…
Jay C
@Germy Shoemangler:
And Nancy wasn’t even the first: Florence Harding , reputedly was there before her: though “The Duchess” at least should have paid more attention: supposedly her favorite charlatan warned her that President H. wouldn’t live out his term.
And like Mrs. Reagan, Florence was widely regarded as the “brains” of the Administration. Though given their husbands’ recognized intellectual shortcomings, that was a fairly low bar to clear….
Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™
@VidaLoca:
Fortunately she was not alone, and while you never see them in the video, there was a round of applause.
Would not be surprised to see it come down again, though i suspect that if it returns, it will be surrounded by a 24 hour armed guard.
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VidaLoca
@Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™:
Aaand of course, that’s where the fun begins. Just think: a 24-hour armed guard to protect the Confederate battle flag. The optics aren’t too good, especially since the Governor has already said she thinks it ought to come down….
If this works it takes the whole issue right out of Haley’s hands and Haley’s timetable and puts it in the hands of the activists.
Brachiator
@Tommy:
This is interesting. With some stuff, I guess I am mildly competitive, but I love to win. Whenever I lost at something, rather than get upset, I would focus on how I could get better the next time, sometimes pestering my better opponent to teach me tricks and strategy. For some stuff, if I figured I couldn’t win, I would stop playing and look for something else to do.
Obviously though, I have a bit of the sore loser thing, in avoiding contests that I don’t think I can win. But I get a kick out of winning, and love it when a work project I’m involved in develops exactly like I expected it to.
My mother was a single mother for a number of years, and worked long hours. So we rarely had a fixed eating time. On top of everything else, she wasn’t a good cook, and I was a finicky eater.
Partly as a result, I rarely cook for myself, and prefer eating anywhere, from a dive with good food to a fancy restaurant, rather than eat at home. This could also cause problems when I was insufficiently appreciative of the efforts of girlfriends who wanted to cook for me.
Funny how life works out. The trick is, I guess, finding what works for you and being happy with it.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@VidaLoca:
IIRC, it’s not Haley’s decision — SC state law says the display of the Confederate flag can only be changed by a vote in the legislature. The governor is specifically banned from making any decision.
Hopefully Rep. Pinckney’s friends in that legislature can keep the momentum going to get the flag officially taken down. Some reports I’ve seen said the effort is being driven by a very conservative Republican who was friends with Pinckney and was horrified by his murder.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
I would ask the parent’s permission and explain why I wanted to include the kid on the email.
This could be to make sure that delays or problems are anticipated, to be able to email an exact location for pickup, etc, to verify ticketing and seating, whatever.
And of course, you could note that this would help you notify the parents if you become aware of anything that needs to be quickly communicated to everyone.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@MomSense:
Yeah, and they’d better appreciate it! ?
Nah, just kidding, what I want is for them to have a little time away from the crazy and be able to relax and be kids for a while. The 15 YO (next month) is spending a lot of time pretending she’s 25, so she’s the one I’m most worried about.
@efgoldman:
That’s pretty much what I figured a normal parent’s response would be but, as I said, we are sadly not dealing with a normal parent, so I wanted to have a comeback just in case. I think the 15 YO is capable of keeping an eye on her little sister, so I want to make sure she has the tools to do that.
Lurking Canadian
@Mnemosyne (tablet): I’d include it. You are doing a good thing to look out for your nieces. I think they’ll appreciate being included. It makes them grown-up parties to the planning. That counts for a lot when you’re a teenager.
PurpleGirl
I’ll post it again…
The Stonewall Inn has been granted Landmark Preservation status by the Landmarks Commission. While it is in an historic district and listed as a federal historic site, the granting of Landmark Preservation status means the building cannot be changed without the approval of the Commission and bunch of other stuff I don’t remember.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Brachiator:
Too late! I kind of didn’t want to give the crazy a chance to say no — better to ask forgiveness than permission and all that. Now that I know it doesn’t raise red flags for normal people, it will be easier to “aw shucks” my way through any crazy complaints that might crop up.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Lurking Canadian:
I got crazy to approve me sending each of my nieces an age-appropriate guidebook, so I think that will help them be a little more comfortable, too. Frankly, they’re both accustomed to a lot of chaos (especially suddenly moving/living with new people), so I wanted to make sure they feel like they have a little bit of control over this trip.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
I would have it pulled down, post guards to prevent it from being hauled up again, and cite public safety concerns to keep it down while a final disposition was debated.
Tommy
@Brachiator: To take your two points.
That “white hot rage” is directly about 95% at me. That I wasn’t good enough. That I didn’t work hard enough. That I failed. I am sure a psychologist could take those statements apart a 100 different ways and I’d be in therapy for years and years.
The second point, single mother. I totally get it even if it is foreign to me how hard that must have been for her. Your mother I bet worked far, far harder than my mom. I can’t imagine a single family house because I have no base reference.
After getting her BA in the early 60s mom stopped going to grad school to get married and have me. She was the “traditional” stay at home mom.
You know when it was ongoing I didn’t like it so much. That she was hovering over me telling me to do my homework while sitting next to me. Telling me to clean my room. Going to every home sporting event, and I played a lot of sports, going to every single one and doing a one person wave. Often the only parent there.
I fucking hated it at the time. Now I am much older I know it was just she loved me so much.
I often wonder what could have happened for her if times were different. If I wasn’t around and she keep going to school. She was often in the room with a lot of folks/family members with PhDs. Mom was always IMHO the smartest person in the room.
boatboy_srq
Mallette exhibits his Mammon worship a little too clearly, methinks.
Tree With Water
@Brachiator: Which is why you will never be elected governor of South Carolina.*
*to paraphrase Barack Obama
Geeno
@Germy Shoemangler: Love Artie Shaw, partial to Benny Goodman myself, but no hate for woodwinds.
Love clarinet music. Never heard him play it, but I had friend who had a rose wood clarinet with brass fittings. OMG that was beautiful instrument.
Anne Laurie
@MomSense:
From their waistlines, they’re mostly interested in oral gratification.
(And I say that as a fat person with a perfectly satisfactory sex life, thankyouverymuch.)
wrb
A bit sad actually. I favor gay marriage because those who oppose it are jerks, but it will just mean a bigger coalition of married rushing for the slop trough, trying to get special privileges at the expense of us unmarried. I’d be be fine with marriage if the married didn’t feel so entitled to discriminate against the rest of us. As R Mayhew pointed out, one of the first causalities will likely be our domestic partner benefits. No dowd’t they will get more and more creative at grinding us down for their benefit.
Anne Laurie
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Some dogs just have the runrunrun glitch in their programming — they see an escape route and have to take it, no matter how much they (& their people regret it five minutes later). They may, sometimes, slow down as they get older… but don’t count on that!
Our rescue Zevon earned his new name when he came to us, age 5. He’d been dumped by his previous owners at a shelter, with his vet records. Affectionate, not noisy, housebroken, good with cats, other dogs, even kids — his foster parents could not understand why such a “perfect” dog had been surrendered. Second night at our house, he jumped out an open window, dropped five feet onto gravel, picked himself up & disappeared into a dank drizzly November evening before I could get out the door after him. Spent one of the worst nights of my life dragging our other two little dogs around every hour, in the rain, trying to call for him without waking the neighbors. Called Animal Control first thing in the morning; he’d been picked up by a couple college-aged kids, on the wrong side of the third-most-dangerous interchange in the state… they couldn’t catch him on foot, but when they opened their car door he jumped right in, spent the night happily encroaching on their dog’s food & bed.
He’s pulled crazier stunts, like half-strangling himself by leaping over the seat to slide out of his harness, so he could zip out into the snow at a rest stop hundreds of miles from home. Now he’s almost 14, slower & somewhat heavier, but a few months ago my husband left the front door ajar while signing for a package… cue hilarious visual of fat little old dog trundling down the street, followed by two fat little old people cursing vividly…
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Anne Laurie: Been there, got the T-shirt. :-)
Early on Sophie tried to jump out of my car on the way home from one of her obedience classes when she saw a squirrel she wanted to get. I had the leash around the shifter, so she got out of the car, but not away from it. Ended up with about $1700 in abrasion damage to a tendon in a front foot. :-(
While she was healing up, a few weeks later, she got out the front door of the house and hobbled down the sidewalk, her injured food flopping around pitifully, but she wanted to explore! (She healed up fine.)
We still watch her like a hawk, but she’s a little more mellow now at nine-ish. :-)
This spring, she’s been a little picky about her food for a while, but not hugely so. Our previous dog, Colleen, died at 10 of hemangiosarcoma, so we’ve always had that in the back of our minds… A week ago she had a blood test done, and they found her ALT liver numbers were just a little high, but higher than they were a few weeks before when she was fine. We decided to have X-rays done (which found nothing) and an ultrasound (which found a weird spot on her liver (which unfortunately is in a hard-to-get-to area). The vet grabbed a sample with a syringe and sent it out for test. No sign of infection and no cancer cells found, but there was sign of inflammation. They’re a little puzzled at the moment. My quick reading doesn’t make it sound like liver problems in dogs are easy to solve…
We’re waiting for the full ultrasound report then will talk to a surgeon Tuesday. I’m hoping that it’s something that can be treated successfully and relatively easily – hemangiosarcoma is very aggressive and there isn’t any effective long-term treatment (even when it’s caught relatively early).
They’re annoying little beasties at times, but they add so much to our lives. :-)
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
jl
Wait just one effing minute there about the WH, dammit. I am outraged! Jefferson had a giant cheese wheel there first!
Edit: and history records, Jefferson mingled with the plebs, cut off a few chunks and ate some of it too. And, IIRC, they didn’t quite know what to do with the stinking remnants, but finally wagoned it off someplace to dump it when the WH got thoroughly gassed up.
AxelFoley
@VidaLoca: Well said. Everything, so damn well said.
Chris
@Tree With Water:
Oh, I agree. And I frankly think the U.S. is in incredibly bad need of the kind of denazification Germany underwent after World War Two, but there’s not much chance of that.
Brachiator
@Tree With Water:
Oh, I think I might stand a good chance. Probably ride out the impeachment as well.
Anne Laurie
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Sounds like you’re suffering more than Sophie, at the moment, since she doesn’t know to worry! Hope the news is good Tuesday; will hold you in the light, as the Quakers say.
Fred
@Germy Shoemangler: 25 years ago we had major flea infestation. Our exterminator sprayed a boric acid solution on the floors. He said it crystalizes and cuts the little buggers’ bellies open. It is non toxic to people and critters. It really did the job and with no worries or bad odrors. Later on the exterminator claimed he couldn’t get boric acid anymore because it had been regulated off the market but I just Googled it and it seems to still be available or available again or whatever.
Fred
Here in the Peoples’ Sociaist Republic of Sweden they are moving toward organic food in the schools. Oh the tyranny of depriving the lidle chillins of preservatives and pesticide residue. The wingers would loose their bloody minds.
How fondly I remember school lunch. Oven browned “grilled” american cheese on Wonder Bread. Olive drab green beans cooked to perfect mush. Pizza that was both soggy and tasteless.
And what is that smell that all institutional kitchens have? It is a bland reek that pervades any building with a cafeteria serving a one meal for everybody menu. It doesn’t seem to matter what they are cooking, it always smells the same.
Xenos
@MomSense:
Because they feel raped by any political process they do not control.
john fremont
@fuckwit: This!