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Tuesday Afternoon Open Thread

by Betty Cracker|  June 30, 20151:39 pm| 168 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Assholes, General Stupidity

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Here’s another view of Mobile Bay, this time from the less industrialized eastern shore:

eastern shore mobile bay

There are many skeletons of destroyed docks — my guess is they were done in by Hurricane Katrina, which hit Mobile harder than many realize.

I haven’t followed current events much since I have other fish to fry at the moment, but President Obama’s proposal to make millions more Americans eligible for OT sounds encouraging. From the linked article:

Conservatives and business groups have bitterly opposed the idea, warning that it will cost jobs.

The right people are mad about it, which is always a good sign. They lied about Obamacare destroying jobs, so they’re probably lying about this too.

Anyway, that’s all I’ve got. Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    Villago Delenda Est

    June 30, 2015 at 1:43 pm

    Conservatives and business groups have bitterly opposed the idea, warning that it will cost jobs

    No, it would cost these parasites hookers and blow.

    The tumbrels cannot start rolling too soon.

  2. 2.

    raven

    June 30, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    W have friends here in Athens that left Mobile after the storm and have settled in here. I remember a few years back we went to a 4th July party at their house. There were lots of younger folks there with high food consciousness so many off the dishes were labelled. Our friends mom fanned herself and said “my, I never heard of labelling food, where I am from you eat what you are served!”

  3. 3.

    srv

    June 30, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    The favorite Republican of the John Cole’s of the Left throws his hat into the ring and doesn’t rate a mention?

    New documents released by a federal court show President Obama called then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the night of the 2012 Benghazi attack — but the contents are being withheld by the State Department.

  4. 4.

    raven

    June 30, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    Of course now that they have started framing there is a big ass storm cloud coming.

  5. 5.

    Keith P.

    June 30, 2015 at 1:47 pm

    my guess is they were done in by Hurricane Katrina

    And there was Hurricane Ivan the year before…a direct hit IIRC. That might have been the one that came back down and hit Louisiana for good measure.

  6. 6.

    Francis

    June 30, 2015 at 1:50 pm

    So, I don’t comment here much. Mostly I just lurk. But since this is such a pet-friendly group:

    Misha, my 13-year old Malinois/husky mix, died yesterday at home. He had been getting really old recently, with bad hips and a bulging disk. He also recently had recovered from a bad skin infection and the antibiotics really wiped him out. But his mood was good and his appetite was back.

    Last night, he just ran out of heartbeats. I was at work; my wife was at home. She went to go feed him and she found him near his supperdish where he likes to snooze, gone.

    He was my buddy! He was my best friend! And now he’s gone. My heart is breaking.

    A few kind words would be much appreciated.

    Francis

  7. 7.

    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    @raven: My granny is from the “you’ll eat it and like it” school of culinary arts too. I think people have gotten pickier with their aversion to gluten and intolerance for lactose, etc., but they can stay on my lawn as long as they contribute a side dish or bring frosty beverages.

  8. 8.

    jl

    June 30, 2015 at 1:51 pm

    A poem in honor of ye olde tymey man woman kid marriage, back when we have character and values, every husband found joy and self-worth in supporting the home through hard work and deferential attitude towards his betters, every wife basked in the love of her strong man, and every child was above average.

    Since our society, in the interests of restoring Standards, is restoring the economic conditions of the old and good way of our Ancestors, it can only be lack of character that is destroying traditional marriage and the family.

    Posted in honor of David Brooks.

    Mag

    I wish to God I never saw you, Mag.
    I wish you never quit your job and came along with me.
    I wish we never bought a license and a white dress
    For you to get married in the day we ran off to a minister
    And told him we would love each other and take care of each other
    Always and always long as the sun and the rain lasts anywhere.
    Yes, I’m wishing now you lived somewhere away from here
    And I was a bum on the bumpers a thousand miles away dead broke.
    I wish the kids had never come
    And rent and coal and clothes to pay for
    And a grocery man calling for cash,
    Every day cash for beans and prunes.
    I wish to God I never saw you, Mag.
    I wish to God the kids had never come.

    Carl Sandburg

  9. 9.

    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2015 at 1:53 pm

    @Francis: I’m so sorry. It sounds like he went peacefully, though, which is the best we can hope for if we must lose them.

  10. 10.

    Steeplejack

    June 30, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    @Francis:

    So sorry to hear about Misha. It sounds like he had a good run. And that’s how I want to go out—snoozing by my food dish. In about 30 or 40 years.

  11. 11.

    Josie

    June 30, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    @Francis: I’m so sorry for your loss. Thirteen years is a good run for a bigger dog, and it sounds like he went peacefully. The pain will lessen in time, but you will always have a little place for him in your heart. It’s the price we pay for loving beings whose life span is shorter than ours.

  12. 12.

    dedc79

    June 30, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    Another judicial victory:

    The Oklahoma Supreme Court on Tuesday said the Ten Commandments Monument at the state Capitol must be removed.

    The plaintiffs said its placement at the Capitol constituted the use of public property for the benefit of a system of religion, which is banned by the Oklahoma Constitution.

    The monument, a gift from Rep. Mike Ritze, R-Broken Arrow, and his family, was recently reinstalled after a man drove a vehicle into it.

    Because the monument operates for the use, benefit or support of a sect or system of religion, it violates the Oklahoma Constitution, the five-page opinion said.

    The vote was 7-2.

    The suit was brought by the ACLU of Oklahoma on behalf of four plaintiffs, one of whom is now deceased.

    Sure this was an easy one, but then again, this is Oklahoma we’re talking about.

  13. 13.

    Mudge

    June 30, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    My favorite comment about the overtime rules said that now, instead of all the income generated by the free labor for working over 40 hours going to the company, some will go to the employee. I also had to laugh at the threat to convert these salaried “managers” to hourly pay which will cause them to lose their benefits, like vacation. What benefits? Also, there is a threat to not allow overtime and hire part-time workers…the old hiring managers at hourly wages off the street trick.

  14. 14.

    raven

    June 30, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    @Francis: Aw Francis, it hurts so much.

    We who choose to surround ourselves
    with lives even more temporary than our
    own, live within a fragile circle;
    easily and often breached.
    Unable to accept its awful gaps,
    we would still live no other way.
    We cherish memory as the only
    certain immortality, never fully
    understanding the necessary plan.
    — Irving Townsend

  15. 15.

    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    @Francis: He had such a good life with you. And he could still make it to his supper dish!

    Pets do not live long enough, bigger dogs especially. Know that Misha treasured seeing you and your wife, was a happy pup, even through the infirmities of old age, and that he would miss you just as much.

    Hope there is another pup in your future, and relatively soon.

  16. 16.

    Paul in KY

    June 30, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    @Keith P.: I know Ivan about destroyed Navarre Beach, FL. Never been the same, IMO (beach wrecked & just not the same after they dredged up a crapton of sand to reconstitute it).

  17. 17.

    Lynwood Allen

    June 30, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    Euthanizing our Bichon-mix Libby was the hardest and most merciful thing I’ve had to do for a long time. sympathy to you.

  18. 18.

    raven

    June 30, 2015 at 2:04 pm

    We’ve got plastic sheathing up where the siding was and it is blowing like mad outside.

  19. 19.

    Paul in KY

    June 30, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    @Francis: Francis, I’m very sorry about Misha. He did get 13 glorious years with y’all. He knew he was loved.

  20. 20.

    Lynwood Allen

    June 30, 2015 at 2:06 pm

    “Betty Cracker” is the dang best Internet name in the whole dang Internet.

  21. 21.

    JPL

    June 30, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    @Francis: Hugs. The sadness of losing a fuzzy creature that loved you unconditionally seems unbearable, but it does get better.

  22. 22.

    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 2:07 pm

    @srv:

    New documents released by a federal court show President Obama called then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the night of the 2012 Benghazi attack — but the contents are being withheld by the State Department.

    Wow! Holy cow! Thanks for this hot newsflash! It really means …. not a goddam thing.

    Do you get paid for this weak stuff?

  23. 23.

    JPL

    June 30, 2015 at 2:10 pm

    @Brachiator: I imagine that he made several calls that night, including to Hagel.

  24. 24.

    low-tech cyclist

    June 30, 2015 at 2:11 pm

    Oh mama, can this really be the end,
    to be stuck here inside of Mobile with the Memphis blues again?

  25. 25.

    low-tech cyclist

    June 30, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    @srv: What, a President and his Secretary of State had a conversation, and the whole rest of the world doesn’t get to know every word of it?

  26. 26.

    MomSense

    June 30, 2015 at 2:13 pm

    @Francis:

    Hugs to you and your wife, Francis. He was loved and died snoozing in his spot. I know you will treasure your memories with Misha.

  27. 27.

    germy shoemangler

    June 30, 2015 at 2:14 pm

    Comedian Jack Carter is dead at the age of 93… started entertaining back during WWII, continued on Broadway, nightclubs and of course the old Ed Sullivan show.

  28. 28.

    JPL

    June 30, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    The way that I understand the overtime rules, if an employer wants to avoid overtime, they might hire an extra employee. There will be some who choose just to pay overtimes though. The Retail field is the biggest abuser of long hours and low pay for their managers.

  29. 29.

    Amir Khalid

    June 30, 2015 at 2:15 pm

    @Brachiator:
    Don’t you get it? The contents of the call are being WITHHELD! By the STATE DEPARTMENT!! Hillary ‘s got to be hiding SOMETHING!1!

  30. 30.

    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 2:16 pm

    Ha ha. The New York Times editorial board comes out swinging. Welcome to the big leagues, Mr. Christie.

    Gov. Christie’s Phony Truth-Telling

    On his new website, Gov. Chris Christie portrays himself as a guy who gets attacked for “telling it like it is,” but that’s what his mom told him to do on her deathbed.

    It is part of the legend Mr. Christie has carefully cultivated for many years, with startling success. … “I get accused a lot of times of being too blunt and too direct and saying what’s on my mind just a little bit too loudly,” he says in the campaign video ….

    It’s fundamentally nonsense. There are lines between brash and belligerent, between open and obnoxious and, most important, between “telling it like it is” and not telling the truth. Mr. Christie crosses those lines all the time, as Tom Moran, the editorial page editor of The Star-Ledger of Newark, documented in a blistering column about Mr. Christie’s “catalog of lies.”

    “Don’t misunderstand me. They all lie, and I get that,” Mr. Moran wrote of politicians in general. “But Christie does it with such audacity, and such frequency, that he stands out.”

    [litany of what Christie said, vs. what he actually did]

    Expect to see a lot of Mr. Christie at those phony “town hall” meetings, stage with selected supporters. You will hear a lot about his common touch, his “straight talk” and his love for Bruce Springsteen.

    It’s a smoke screen. Look behind it at the governor whose own constituents say by an overwhelming majority that he has done a bad job, should not run for the White House and would make a bad president.

    Tell us what you really think, NY Times.

    Bravo!

    Link to Tom Moran’s column from the NY Star-Ledger: After 14 years of watching Christie, a warning: He lies | Moran

  31. 31.

    germy shoemangler

    June 30, 2015 at 2:17 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Don’t you get it? The contents of the call are being WITHHELD! By the STATE DEPARTMENT!! Hillary ‘s got to be hiding SOMETHING!1!

    Well, after this bombshell it looks like the democraps are finished. I guess we’ll be saying hello to President Trump in 2016.

  32. 32.

    JustRuss

    June 30, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    Has anyone on the right actually laid out an explanation of how this will cost jobs? I get that argument regarding raising the minimum wage, it’s mostly BS but if you’re on razor-thin margins and wages go up, you might have to get by with fewer employees. But overtime? If there’s work to be done and paying your people OT is too expensive, you hire another position so you’re not paying OT. If anything, this is a job-creating move.

  33. 33.

    MattF

    June 30, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    Cruz and Trump, Sittin’ In A Tree…

  34. 34.

    bystander

    June 30, 2015 at 2:20 pm

    @Francis: For every moment of his whole life with you, Misha knew he was cared for and loved and had the best life any dog could want.

  35. 35.

    JPL

    June 30, 2015 at 2:21 pm

    @Elizabelle: Wow!

  36. 36.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    June 30, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    Conservatives and business groups have bitterly opposed the idea, warning that it will cost jobs.

    This is a fucking lie.

    Problem for those “conservatives and business groups” is that the rubes are starting to realize it’s a fucking lie.

  37. 37.

    jl

    June 30, 2015 at 2:22 pm

    @germy shoemangler: Obviously, it was during that very phone call that Obama and HRC discussed the entire Benghazi plot in extreme detail, and not only that, but hatched, also in extreme detail (repeating the juicy bits and chucking fiendishly) the overly elaborate but in reality not very inescapable trap for Issa, that by a tragic quirk of fate, Issa did not escape. We are doomed.

  38. 38.

    Punchy

    June 30, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    @dedc79: I will expect a OK State Consty Amendy OK’ing the placement of only Jeebus thingys on gubbment property to be debated by the end of the day.

    Also, too, a law (like they did in KS) to strip all judiciary funding statewide if another court decision goes against the Admin.

  39. 39.

    tk

    June 30, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    @Francis: thank you for giving him a good and happy life.

  40. 40.

    lurker dean

    June 30, 2015 at 2:23 pm

    @Elizabelle: lmao at christie having his state newspaper and then the NYT call him a liar. couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

  41. 41.

    Mike in NC

    June 30, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    @Francis: So sorry for your loss.

  42. 42.

    Paul in KY

    June 30, 2015 at 2:24 pm

    @germy shoemangler: Don’t forget VP Michelle Bachmann!

  43. 43.

    Jeffro

    June 30, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    @Mudge:

    Also, there is a threat to not allow overtime and hire part-time workers…the old hiring managers at hourly wages off the street trick.

    Ah, that old trick! lol

    This one’s such a non-brainer on so many levels. Robert Reich says it best here: youtube.com/watch?v=hWY9xD6rxnE

  44. 44.

    jl

    June 30, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    @JPL: It just means the NYT editorial board loves Christie so much that they can’t bear to see him leave the neighborhood. Just like the good citizens of New Jersey. Why else would the NYT and most of the people be saying the same thing?

  45. 45.

    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    @Francis:
    Am very sorry you’ve lost your good friend Misha. He’ll always be in your hearts, but there’s no replacing those moments when he put his muzzle on your hand, looking for a good scratching. We do love our doggies so.

  46. 46.

    Jeffro

    June 30, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    @MattF: I can see Trump being Cruz’s sugar daddy, his Foster Friess or Sheldon Adelson, easily. There’s not a bit of daylight between them, especially in terms of shamelessness.

  47. 47.

    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    Here’s the DOL fact sheet on the proposed overtime rule. Pegging it to inflation (40th wage percentile) is the really important bit, IMO.

  48. 48.

    catclub

    June 30, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    @Steeplejack:

    And that’s how I want to go out—snoozing by my food dish

    I want to go out like my grandfather, in my sleep, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

  49. 49.

    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    @Jeffro:
    Cruz clearly already thinks he’s HYOOUGE! so they have that in common.

  50. 50.

    JPL

    June 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    @jl: I’m expecting him to fund raise off of the negative news.

  51. 51.

    the Conster

    June 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    @Francis:

    My heart is broken too, for you. Worst days of your life, these are. Now I’m going to go have a good cry for Misha and the life that you gave him, and he gave you.

  52. 52.

    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    @catclub: Emo Phillips?

  53. 53.

    Jeffro

    June 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    @JustRuss: Yes – see Reich video at #43 above, it’s great at explaining this.

    I do think most people will understand (because in all likelihood, they have a friend or family member in this situation) that the affected workers have essentially been having that OT work ‘stolen’ from them, uncompensated, by their company (meaning big business, shareholders, rich people). Under the new rule they’ll either get paid for it, or not have to work so hard for the same $, all while someone else picks up a PT or FT job to do the work.

    Let’s see the Rs try and spin this one anyplace other than Fox News (and maybe not even then)…

  54. 54.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    @Amir Khalid: @Brachiator:
    Don’t you get it? The contents of the call are being WITHHELD! By the STATE DEPARTMENT!! Hillary ‘s got to be hiding SOMETHING!1!

    Obama: “So, Hillz, that attack happened, just like my Presidential Daily Briefing yesterday said it would? Damn, I with I hadn’t decided to play a night round of golf with Beyonce and Bill Ayers, instead of getting in my personal teleporter to stop it like John McCain would have! But I shot an 86! I just hope Darrell Issa doesn’t find out”.
    Clinton: “Chill, Bamz. I was fiendishly plotting to get the Saudi royal family to pay for AIDS medication in impoverished countries, in return for selling them American weapons for the first time ever, but I had time to email Sid Blumenthal and order to break in to the glove compartment of your limo and burn the scorecard. I hope he deleted the order. But he is diabolically clever”
    Obama: “Okay, you’ve covered my ass. You can stand down now.”
    Clinton: “No worries. Now I just gotta break into my secret server to burn the copy of the email Lindsey Graham sent me that was entitled “Ansar Al-Sharia rumored to possibly be determined to strike a diplomatic mission in a provincial city in Libya”

  55. 55.

    Steeplejack

    June 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    @catclub:

    Heh, my brother and I laugh about that one on a regular basis.

  56. 56.

    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 2:31 pm

    @JPL:

    From Tom Moran’s article: 4th paragraph:

    My testimony amounts to a warning: Don’t believe a word the man says.

    and

    These are painful moments for New Jersey reporters who cover Christie. [George] Stephanopoulos and [Megyn] Kelly are facing a crowded Republican field with more than a dozen contenders. They can’t be expected to know this stuff. Which is why Christie prefers to sit down with the national press. It’s easier to get away with these lies. For now.

    Yep.

    PS: I take some issue with “They can’t be expected to know this stuff.” ABC TV is a national network, with lots of staff. Problem is, it’s more infotainment than seriousness. “This Week” is painful to watch (so I don’t).

    Fox News channel? Republican propaganda. But if it was a “real” network, the same standard would apply.

  57. 57.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    it pisses me off that they remotely would give this case any consideration.

    there were 42 WHITE students who got admitted over her mediocre ass, but the NON-WHITE students are why she didn’t get in?

    GET DA PHUQ OUTTA HERE.

    SlateVerified account
    ‏@Slate SCOTUS might destroy affirmative action because this white woman’s grades weren’t good enough: slate.me/1g71TY0

  58. 58.

    ET

    June 30, 2015 at 2:33 pm

    That looks like the Mississippi Gulf Coast for 20+ years after Betsy. They are coming back from Katrina faster that Katrina.

  59. 59.

    dw

    June 30, 2015 at 2:34 pm

    @Francis:

    I’m so sorry on the loss of your beloved Misha.

  60. 60.

    Sherparick

    June 30, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    @Francis: It is just a big kick in the gut for you and your family. I am so sorry.

    “The death of a beloved is an amputation.”
    ― C.S. Lewis, A Grief Observed

    But also, the memories will live on. He will always be there, waiting for you to come home.

  61. 61.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    June 30, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    @Francis: It has been almost two years since I had to put my dear heart Hannah down. She didn’t want to go (the world still had bacon) but there was no way to stay: when you can’t walk, or drag yourself out of the sun, or get to the food bowl, there’s not much left in the way of options. And making that call was easily the hardest thing I have ever done in my life, absolutely heartbreaking, and my wife and I miss her like hell to this day.

    There is nothing that can be said to make this right. There will be, as my dad said (a stern, taciturn man who I would have bet my life savings didn’t have the capacity to say something like this, and then proved me to be fucking wrong and an asshole to boot by saying it, and at the exact right time no less) a dog-shaped mark on your heart for the rest of your life.

    It’s OK. We are the scars we bear. It does get better. Very, very slowly.

    I will offer you this: as deaths go, Misha literally had the best one possible. Napping in the favorite spot by the food bowl. Nobody posting here today is likely to go out that well. It’s a small consolation but it will become more important as time goes on.

  62. 62.

    mai naem mobile

    June 30, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    @Francis: Francis, I’m so sorry. Thirteen is a good run for a big dog and it sounds like he was pretty healthy till relatively recently so thats good. You obviously loved him tons.

  63. 63.

    catclub

    June 30, 2015 at 2:38 pm

    from Political Animal:

    WaPo editorial endorses “yes” vote in Greek referendum, which is precisely the opposite advice being offered by most liberal pundits

    .

    I am surprised that the early betting is favoring a yes. Of course, none of the reporting is from Greece.

  64. 64.

    Jeffro

    June 30, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    Possible R spins (and some counter-spin thoughts) on the new OT ruling:

    1) “Since Worker X was getting paid $120/wk to essentially do 60 hrs/wk of work, businesses are now justified in cutting Worker X’s pay to $80/wk since he’ll only be doing 40 hrs/wk now.” Possible, but most businesses won’t want to lose their best FT people this way. Also, that’s fine – there’s still 20 hrs/wk of work to be done (assuming the business is going to stay at the same level of productivity) – and someone’s going to get paid for it (instead of it being taken for free by the business).

    2) “This will impact benefits now, too”. A) what benefits? B) Obamacare will cover the health end c) same as above – most businesses won’t want to lose their best FT people this way

    3) “Businesses will just replace a 60 hr/wk worker with two 30 hr/wk workers – no OT and no benefits”. Yeah, but they could have done that already. And again, at least someone (or several someones) will be getting paid for all 60 hours.

    Additional thoughts?

  65. 65.

    catclub

    June 30, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    @ET:

    They are coming back from Katrina faster.

    Of course, 4 years after Betsy was Camille.

    The gambling establishments were the first thing back. That did not happen in the 1970’s.

  66. 66.

    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2015 at 2:44 pm

    @ET: I grew up hearing stories about Hurricane Betsy.

  67. 67.

    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 2:46 pm

    @JustRuss:

    Has anyone on the right actually laid out an explanation of how this will cost jobs? I get that argument regarding raising the minimum wage, it’s mostly BS but if you’re on razor-thin margins and wages go up, you might have to get by with fewer employees. But overtime? If there’s work to be done and paying your people OT is too expensive, you hire another position so you’re not paying OT. If anything, this is a job-creating move.

    The easy and lazy thing to do is to simply assert that “forcing” a higher wage cost on employers will always result in a loss of jobs. There are even honest economists who will do this, and prove it with the appropriate formulae.

    But the real world is more complicated. Some years ago, California toughened some job rules related to who is an exempt vs an hourly employee, and other rules. The net result was to increase wage costs, including overtime pay, and benefits. The overall impact was to make sure that employees were treated fairly, but it eliminated a lot of flexibility. So instead of overtime pay, some businesses would give an extra day off, or a year end bonus that was good, but less than the equivalent OT pay.

    Most companies adjusted. But some were actually tipped over the line and, because of other factors as well as wages, went out of business. One company I did business with moved to another state. In the new state, they had much lower wage costs, but also had trouble hiring sufficiently capable employees. This has resulted in an overall decline in the quality of their products and customer service, but their profits are still good and shareholders are happy.

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    Julie

    June 30, 2015 at 2:47 pm

    @Francis: I’m so sorry about Misha. We just had to made the very hard decision to say goodbye to our ailing almost-11 year old Great Pyrenees girl Kayla. She was our 5th dog, and it never gets easier. Hugs to you.

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    Spinoza Is My Co-pilot

    June 30, 2015 at 2:50 pm

    @Francis:

    My heart breaks for you since I – like many others here – have experienced the very thing you are going through right now. Your sweet buddy died on his own, so you were spared the sad duty of easing him out yourself, which is always a difficult decision to make even when you “know” it’s the right time.

    Fascinating (isn’t it?) how we can love creatures of a different species from us, and they (I have no doubt) can love us back. If we didn’t love, it wouldn’t hurt, of course.

    Like all grief, only time heals, and even then there is always some pain to go with the happy memories no matter how long it’s been. The old cliché is absolutely true, though: better to have loved and lost…

    In my 6 decades I’ve lost a number of such wonderful furry friends, and I remember them all clearly. Our current pack has 3 members, one of whom is the most “junkyard” dog I’ve ever had. He’s 13 and just this year has begun significantly slowing down. Still tough as nails, but I don’t expect we’ll have him with us very much longer. For some ineffable reason both my wife and I expect his passing will hit us harder than any other has yet. Between then and now we are giving, and receiving, all the affection that we can.

    My heart breaks for you.

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    Paul in KY

    June 30, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!: Man, that’s a nice writeup!

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    boatboy_srq

    June 30, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    @Francis: [[HUGS]]

    Losing a pup like that is never an easy experience. Sounds like you had quite the partner there with Misha. And sounds like (not tomorrow, but sometime not too far off) you’ll find someone much like him.

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    Riley's Enabler

    June 30, 2015 at 2:57 pm

    @Francis: Sending white light your way. It’s so hard to lose our furbabies. I’m glad you were able to give him 13 wonderful years. I’m so sorry.

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    gelfling545

    June 30, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    @Francis: So sad for you. At least you were spared an agonizing decision. I hope you soon can take comfort remembering having received all that love

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    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 3:01 pm

    In other news, Gov Jerry the Awesome has signed the new California vaccine bill, which eliminates opting out for anything but medical reasons. The anti-vaxxers have been pulling out the stops while it wound its way through the legislature, putting cartoon ads in the paper featuring the likes of children’s gravestones and today, a full-page plea to the gov to not sign it (complete with a photo of Jerry with dad, for reasons I cannot quite figure).

    The political coin has completely flipped on the issue, going from all DFHs all the time to being the darling of the get-gummint-outta-mah-pants crowd. Am trying to find out whether the bill got a single Republican vote.

    The anti folks are promising endless vigils at the Capitol until the law is reversed. Wishing them luck on day one, with a predicted 108-degree high.

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    ThresherK (GPad)

    June 30, 2015 at 3:02 pm

    @Jeffro: Oh, no. That means I’ll only get to work 40 hrs a week at my now-OT-exempt salaried job!

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    ruemara

    June 30, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    @Francis: I’m so sorry. My heart breaks with you. Take comfort in the joy you had together and that he went while at home, knowing his family was caring for him.

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    MazeDancer

    June 30, 2015 at 3:06 pm

    @Francis:

    So very sad for you, many condolences. The price we pay for all that joy we get from their all too short lives is having to let them go. He was happy, he was loved, he is not suffering. Actually, exactly what you would hope would be the case for your boy. But it’s such horrid pain for you. Everyone here who has ever had a pet understands.

    May the wonderful love you and your pup shared get you through it all.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 3:07 pm

    @trollhattan: Good for Jerry. I’ve always liked the guy and this makes me like him even more.

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    Gavin

    June 30, 2015 at 3:08 pm

    I spent a full week for each of 5 summers with members of my church in Ocean Springs, MS [across the bridge from Mobile] helping to restore homes destroyed by Katrina. It’s a great little part of the country..

    Betty: One of your dinners while you’re there absolutely must be BBQ at The Shed! That restaurant was featured on Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives.. and is pretty much amazing.

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    gogol's wife

    June 30, 2015 at 3:10 pm

    @Francis:

    You describe him so well. I’m very sorry — I’m sure he loved you very much and knew you loved him.

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    gogol's wife

    June 30, 2015 at 3:11 pm

    @germy shoemangler:

    I said to my brother, “I had no idea he was still alive.” He said, “Yeah, well, now he isn’t.”

    My husband the Combat! fan remembers his guest shot on that program. I guess he was like Jerry Lewis, giving dramatic acting a try.

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    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    @trollhattan: Have we figured out why the anti-vaxxers are clothing themselves in red shirts?

    Is it in solidarity with disease markers?

    Can they possibly get a clue that it’s not just about “their” children?

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    Linnaeus

    June 30, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    This doesn’t look very good:

    In an expected but potentially devastating blow to public sector unions, the Supreme Court announced on Tuesday that it will hear a case called Friedrichs v. California Teachers Association in its next term. Friedrichs, as Justice Elena Kagan explained in a similar case last year, asks the justices to “impos[e] a right-to-work regime for all government employees” throughout the country, and it does so based on an aggressive reading of the First Amendment that could have absurd consequences for the government’s relationship with its own employees. Should this case prevail, moreover, that decision could be an existential threat to many public sector unions, potentially draining them of the money they need to operate.

    (h/t to LGM)

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    Iowa Old Lady

    June 30, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    @Francis: So sorry. It’s hard to let them go. You did right by him, though.

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    ThresherK

    June 30, 2015 at 3:20 pm

    @Francis: Condolences on the loss of your beloved pet and companion.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    @Elizabelle: How about it. I am a proud hippie liberal and I bet I fall pretty far to the left as it relates to alternative medicines. Not wanting to take a ton of pills. But these anti-vaxxers make NO sense to me. And as you rightfully noted it isn’t just about their children. If we as an advance society can’t agree that vaccines are a very good thing I really don’t even know what to say.

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    WereBear

    June 30, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    @Francis: No such thing as “only a dog.” I’m so sorry for the loss of your best friend.

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    germy shoemangler

    June 30, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    @rikyrah:

    FERGUSON, Mo. — Police antagonized crowds gathered to protest in Ferguson, violated free-speech rights and made it difficult to hold officers accountable, according to a U.S. Department of Justice report summary obtained by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

    The summary cited “vague and arbitrary” orders to keep protesters moving that violated their rights of assembly and free speech. It is part of a longer “after-action” report to be delivered this week to top police officials in Ferguson, St. Louis city and county and the Missouri State Highway Patrol.

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    flukebucket

    June 30, 2015 at 3:22 pm

    I need help and do not even know how to ask the question.

    Way back in 2009, just after he was first elected, the Obama administration was going to implement some kind of economic policy stipulating that for any work over a specific amount of money done businesses were going to be required to file some kind of paperwork that the right hand side of the aisle just swore would completely destroy the economy.

    Does anybody have any idea what I am talking about? Hell, I barely do.

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    Patricia Kayden

    June 30, 2015 at 3:24 pm

    @Francis: ((hugs)) to you and your family. Sorry to hear of your loss but sounds like your beloved dog had a great life.

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    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Let’s see the Rs try and spin this one anyplace other than Fox News (and maybe not even then)…

    It’s easier than you think. If they can’t steal wages, they’ll have to pay employees more for the same work, and that means they’ll have to charge more to avoid reducing their hookers and blow going out of business. This is essentially the same argument they always use: improving the lot of people at the bottom of the ladder will mean less for the people at the top. It sells pretty well to people a few rungs up the ladder. They’re doing well enough that they don’t think the changes will help them, but they’re in a precarious enough position that they are worried about anything that might increase their costs even a little. And, naturally, it sells to anyone who has no empathy for people less well off than they are, who see their own loss and don’t give a damn about how much it helps anyone else.

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    JustRuss

    June 30, 2015 at 3:30 pm

    @flukebucket: Rings a bell, but my memory is no better than yours. But I do think that was a thing. Of course, everything Obama did was going to destroy the economy, so might be hard to nail down.

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    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 3:31 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    The cruelest part of all: to stay in bidnez they’ll have to start serving the gheys!

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    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Have we figured out why the anti-vaxxers are clothing themselves in red shirts?

    I still think it’s a Star Trek reference.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 3:34 pm

    @Roger Moore: OK that is kind of funny.

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    delk

    June 30, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    @Francis: “I have sometimes thought of the final cause of dogs having such short lives and I am quite satisfied it is in compassion to the human race; for if we suffer so much in losing a dog after an acquaintance of ten or twelve years, what would it be if they were to live double that time? The misery of keeping a dog is his dying so soon. But, to be sure, if he lived for fifty years and then died, what would become of me?” – Sir Walter Scott

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    gogol's wife

    June 30, 2015 at 3:40 pm

    @delk:

    Beautiful.

    ETA: That goes for cats, too, although I doubt Sir Walter would agree.

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    Cacti

    June 30, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    Rand Paul’s minority outreach efforts continue apace…

    Cliven Bundy tells Politico he was given a 45-minute face to face meeting with candidate Paul.

    Link

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    NotMax

    June 30, 2015 at 3:41 pm

    @Gavin

    Refused to watch that after it was revealed what a rabid homophobe Fieri is.

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    raven

    June 30, 2015 at 3:42 pm

    @Elizabelle: This is a FB post from a kabala friend who lived in LA. Don’t bother telling me what I should tell him because I frankly don’t give a fuck what he thinks.

    The War On Personal and Religious Belief Exemptions
    Vaccination bills have been introduced all across the country seeking to end our ability and/or our children’s ability to opt-out of the vaccination program through the use of personal and/or religious belief exemptions. We are told over and over in mainstream media and by the pharmaceutical industry through their representative politicians that we have a health crises, that vaccines are safe, that vaccines are required, and that we must get them or we and/or our children will suffer severe consequences. Those consequences could include paying for an alternative education (e.g., needing to homeschool), getting a “deadly disease,” being publicly shamed, or that we are endangering the rest of the population by not allowing ourselves to be guinea pigs of the pharmaceutical industry.

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    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    @Cacti:
    Get the heck outtahere. Li’l Randy is really that stupid, isn’t he?

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    bemused

    June 30, 2015 at 3:46 pm

    @Francis:

    My heart is aching for you. They give unconditional love and give us so much fun and joy. We have been through this many times and always remind ourselves how much they loved us and that they had very happy lives. Doesn’t make the missing them less heartbreaking but it is a bit of comfort.

    And yet we still go on the journey again with the next sweet pup or kitty, 2 dogs and 2 cats right now. We think and talk often of our departed critters while enjoying and treasuring our current companions marveling at all their own unique personalities. One thing is the same about all of them is that unconditional love.

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    PurpleGirl

    June 30, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    @Francis: Francis, I hope you come back to read more of the thread ’cause… BJers are great about sending condolences on the loss of a pet pal. {{{Hugs}}}.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    @raven: Wow. Some of my FB friends that can come off the rails from time to time don’t think this shit.

    My grandfather was a small town rural doctor. But he spent almost every minute he wasn’t working reading medical journals and attending conferences. To say he wasn’t a big fan of the pharmaceutical industry would be an understatement.

    When they wanted to give me some drugs because I might have ADD he stepped in and say no way you are doing that to my grandson. Heck when my brother was 11 he had the bone structure of a five-year-old. They put him in a test for human growth hormones. My grandfather was so against it, it actually caused a huge rift in the family. But in this instance they actually worked.

    But the vaccines I didn’t get at school, and back in the 70s that was how that was done, he gave me. He had no problem with them because they freaking work!

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    CONGRATULATIONS!

    June 30, 2015 at 3:53 pm

    Wishing them luck on day one, with a predicted 108-degree high.

    @trollhattan: No vaccine against stupidity or heat.

    I hope they all die of heatstroke.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    @Francis: I had a little kitten I loved with all my heart. She got very, very sick. The vet said they could keep her alive but almost everyday would be painful for her. She’d never really have any good days, just not so bad days.

    I had to make the decision to end her life.

    This was the first time I had a pet that died and it hit me far harder than I would have thought. Tore me up.

    I had a friend that rescues greyhounds. Has 14 of them at last count. His passion in life. He told me I took that cat from a shelter where her death was sure. I loved her. Gave her a loving home. I made her apart of my life.

    That was all she could have asked for and I should think happy thoughts and not kick myself. It was advice that wasn’t easy to take but I tried hard to do it and it did make me feel better.

  107. 107.

    bemused

    June 30, 2015 at 4:08 pm

    @Tommy:

    I said unconditional love from our pets but should have qualified that a bit for kitties. They love us in their own way, not what anyone would say unconditional but it is love and trust. I remember leaving one kitty at the vets and he had to stay there until I was done working. When I picked him up, he crawled into my lap and wrapped his front legs around my neck, he was so happy to see me. Sure, he wanted out of there and knew I would be taking him home but still it was a lovely kitty experience.

  108. 108.

    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 4:09 pm

    Some fun and interesting Twitter tributes to Bree Newsome, the woman who took down the Confederate flag in South Carolina:

    On Saturday morning Bree Newsome climbed up a flagpole on the South Carolina state house grounds an activist, determined to take down the confederate flag flying there. By the time she climbed down and was quickly arrested by state police, she was a hero to many online.

    The act of civil disobedience by Newsome and spotter James Ian Tyson sparked an outpouring of support on social media sites. The hashtags #freebree, #freejames, #takeitdown and #keepitdown started trending on Twitter as soon as Newsome started descending the 30-foot pole, grasping the Confederate flag in her hand.

    bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-33250663

  109. 109.

    Cervantes

    June 30, 2015 at 4:10 pm

    @flukebucket:

    It is possible you’re thinking of additional 1099 reporting requirements (and associated penalties) introduced in 2009-2010, partly in the PPACA. Some of these were repealed when the new Congress came along in 2011.

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    MazeDancer

    June 30, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    Bobby Jindal’s campaign thought it would be a great idea to stage an open Twitter Q & A with the candidate. Just use the hashtag #AskBobby.

    As you can imagine, as anyone with just a couple day’s use of Twitter can imagine, it’s a disaster. I thought it was just another prank hashtag. But no. It’s real.

    Interestingly, Conservatives and Liberals alike are zinging in the snarks and assaults. So, it appears, for Governor Jindal, “Both sides do it”.

  111. 111.

    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    What are you going to do with your extra time?

    Leap Second Tonight

    The slightly odd rotation of the earth means that timekeepers are adding an additional tick to the last minute of the last hour of the last day of June. It’s a tricky problem for computer programmers, but it seems many of us are wondering how exactly to use that bonus time.

    The hashtag #LeapSecond has been used more than 7,000 times on Twitter in the past 24 hours. Some urged a moment of quiet reflection

    bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-33330301

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    Iowa Old Lady

    June 30, 2015 at 4:17 pm

    @MazeDancer: What is so hard for these people to grasp about the perils of twitter?

    They should take a look at the Ask the Author thing E.L. James just did.

  113. 113.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    @bemused: My cats are odd creatures. My current cat I found eight years ago. I was at a Super Bowl party and these young kids where throwing her in a kiddy pool and laughing as she tried to live.

    I marched over there and had some very stern words and took her home.

    She was just a little kitten and so scared of humans she’d run into walls if I entered the room. I countless spend hours laying in a fetal position until she got used to me.

    We built this bond. She is rarely more than a few feet from me at any time. She needs my attention almost 24/7 and I flat out love it. People come over to my house and are somewhat stunned she follows me around more like a dog than a cat.

    When her time on this earth ends it will crush me. Not a day I look forward to.

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    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 4:21 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: If twitter did not exist, snark would have to invent it.

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    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2015 at 4:23 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I’m amazed at that too. Has any Twitter Q&A ever gone well for any candidate in the history of the universe? It’s always a troll-a-thon.

  116. 116.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    @MazeDancer: I don’t like Stephen A. Smith much on ESPN. He yells too much. But he has this thing he says about Twitter.

    Twitter is a loaded gun. Put it down and step away slowly.

    If that isn’t about the best advice ever I don’t know what is.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    June 30, 2015 at 4:24 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    #AskBobby
    A third of Louisiana Republicans blame Obama for Katrina.
    Is this a result of their school choice?

    ETA:

    Did the same staffer who suggested the creepy stalker pre-announcement video suggest #AskBobby? If so, will you fire him?

    #AskBobby Now that gay marriage is mandatory will you be proposing to Santorum or is he going to propose to you?

    This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

  118. 118.

    MazeDancer

    June 30, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    The idea that any alleged “Social Media Director” for any candidate for any office would think opening up the candidate to “questions” on Twitter is a great idea is impossible to compute.

    Plenty comments on Twitter about #AskBobby saying basically if you don’t know how Twitter works, how can you run a country.

    There was a West Wing episode where Josh decided to post on a forum that was actually about him. “LemonLymond” was the site name. And CJ and Donna did everything they could to stop him. But he did anyway. And, of course, craziness and hostility erupted from the forum posters.

    Sadly, when Hillary’s campaign posts any basic “get on board” kind of tweet, the replies are filled with hate, vitriol, and beyond sexism to misogyny.

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    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Some fish deserve shooting more than others.

    Keep ’em coming!

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Both myself and my dad went to LSU. We’re not from the state but still have a lot of friends there. After Katrina hit Bobby got a lot of good will. Moderates were praising him. He, at least to them, seemed like the “smart” person in the room.

    Then he gets elected governor and goes off the rails. People that were at one time praising him now can’t find a single nice thing to say about him.

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    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 4:33 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Poor Bobby Jindal can’t catch a break.

    Some folks in India are also having Twitter fun at Jindal’s expense, for apparently downplaying his heritage.

    A day after Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal announced that he will run for U.S. president in 2016, the way he chooses to identify himself has become the subject of a trending hashtag in India.

    It’s called #bobbyjindalissowhite.

    His remarks fueled a firestorm of jokes on Twitter that he is trying to pass as white despite his Indian roots. Here’s just a sample:

    #BobbyJindalIsSoWhite that he’ll outsource his presidential campaign execution to a company in Bangalore.

    #BobbyJindalIsSoWhite that he couldn’t win a spelling bee if he tried.

    #bobbyjindalissowhite he asked for his own Birth Certificate

    #bobbyjindalissowhite he thinks ketchup is spicy

    washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/06/25/why-is-bobby-jindal-being-called-white-on-twitter/

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    bemused

    June 30, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    @Tommy:

    We have 2 kitties, litter mates, and one is shy and nervous. She’s not that way with us, not anymore, because she trusts us. Our kids live far away so they are not here enough for her to learn that they aren’t boogymen and love kitties. She growls and spits at them. That frustrates one son who tries (too hard I tell him) to make friends with her. I told him on the phone that he should see kitty snuggling with me and kneading the heck out of me. He laughed and said I had to be lying. I need have my husband take a video to prove it to our son.

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    MazeDancer

    June 30, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    @Tommy:

    Twitter is a loaded gun. Put it down and step away slowly.

    If that isn’t about the best advice ever I don’t know what is.

    Very good advice.

    For political candidates, Twitter is kind of like a nuclear warhead aimed at your foot and you don’t have the codes but everyone else does. “No open sessions” is the law.

    Though for celebs to their fanbase having a spontaneous “Twitter Party” often works well. Celeb tweets to followers “I’ve got a few minutes, let’s have a Twitter Party” and happy fans gush and ask things. Rest of the time, fans tweet good, great, fabulous, bad, and disgusting like all of Twitter.

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    J R in WV

    June 30, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    Francis,

    I too grieve for your loss. Know that Misha loved you guys, and knew that you would protect him to the best of your ability. He died in his place, where he felt secure, and where if he had made it through the night, he would have had another dinner. And he knew that.

    It was important to him, which is one reason you had a schedule to feed him by. And you know that he loved you too.

    Don’t wait too long to rescue someone else who needs a safe place to be with you.

    Best wishes!

    JR

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    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!:

    I hope they all die of heatstroke.

    I don’t. I hope they change their minds and get their kids vaccinated. That would be a much better outcome for everyone.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    @Brachiator: Ok that is pretty funny.

    I really wonder what he is trying to run away from. When I lived in DC and worked in NOVA my last job was in a building owned by Cable & Wireless. Their Bluetooth division before anybody knew what Bluetooth was.

    Most of the engineers were from India. I didn’t know much about their nation or culture, but became close friends with a few of them. He comes from a nation with a rich heritage I’d think he’d want to embrace.

    But what the heck do I know ….

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    Mandalay

    June 30, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    Some new laws kick in tomorrow in Florida:
    – There are tax cuts on the cost of gun club memberships and luxury boat repairs
    – There is a mandatory 24-hour waiting period before women can have abortions.
    – People convicted of soliciting prostitutes now face harsher penalties. First-time offenders face a $5,000 fine.

    All part of Governor Scott’s plan to roll us back to the nineteenth century.

  128. 128.

    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    @MazeDancer: CJ Cregg tells it like it is [YouTube].

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    catclub

    June 30, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    @Tommy: Kathleen Blanco was governor of LA in 2005. She was absolutely sabotaged by the Bush administration in recovery funds and aid. Contrast with Mississippi and Governor Haley Barbour.

    Also contrast with Chris Christie and how NJ fared under a different administration.

  130. 130.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    @bemused: Yeah that is what I have going on to some extent. My parents visit about once a month and stay with me to see their grandkid since I have a lot more room than my brother does.

    It takes my cat about 2 days to “warm” up to them. But when she does they are blown away by how friendly she is.

  131. 131.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 4:47 pm

    @catclub: Yes I know. I maintained a blog for almost four years after Katrina hit logging what was going on. I read more about it than I care to admit and what Bush, FEMA, you name it did to the state was a crime.

  132. 132.

    bemused

    June 30, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    @Tommy:

    Dogs are pushovers more or less. Kitties are a challenge which makes it fun when you break through that “you looking at me” attitude. Our kitties follow us around too, grab our legs when we walk by and come when called even when it’s not mealtime.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    June 30, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I love CJ. Thanks for the link.

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    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    @Tommy:

    I really wonder what he is trying to run away from.

    Strictly speaking, I got no problems with Jindal’s perspective:

    “I’m sick and tired of people dividing Americans,” Jindal said on Wednesday. “And I am done with all this talk about hyphenated Americans. We are not Indian-Americans, Irish-Americans, African-Americans, rich Americans or poor Americans. We are all Americans.”

    A guy I know, who owns an Armenian restaurant, blows off customers, including some friends and relatives, who keep talking about the old country and who expect him to have strict allegiance to the old ways, religions and customs. He once gruffly noted, “I came her to get away from all that shit.”

    But there is just something about Jindal that invites ridicule. And too many in his party talk a good talk about diversity, but go out of their way to single out and demonize people because of their ethnicity, and seem to only prefer people like Jindal or Nikki Haley who explicitly embrace Christianity and other approved emblems of being “American.”

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    MazeDancer

    June 30, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    West Wing clip! CJ is so fabulous dressing down Josh to stay away from the crazies on the internet. (Yay, Allison Janney! Yay, really good, really wordy dialogue, Mr. Sorkin!)

    IIRC, Josh does not heed CJ, but continues to post and the Internet delivers.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    @bemused: My cat comes when called as well. I make a clicking sound with my tongue on the roof of my mouth and she is here in seconds.

    My cat is also very vocal. I can mimic her meows pretty well and at times it almost seems like we are talking, I am just not sure what I am saying :).

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    Aleta

    June 30, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    @Francis:

    Sending deep sympathy. Playing certain music helped me a lot during the worst part of my similar grief. Don’t know if this will help, but when I lost my amazing cat and I couldn’t bear it, here are some lines I grieved to. I took them out of a poem by Emerson. (He wrote it in memory of his brothers.)

    My good, my noble, in their prime,
    Who made this world the feast it was,
    Who learned with me the lore of time,
    Who loved this dwelling-place.

    Hearken to yon pine warbler
    Singing aloft in the tree;
    Hearest thou, O traveller!
    What he singeth to me?

    Go, lonely man, it saith,
    They loved thee from their birth,
    Their hands were pure, and pure their faith,
    There are no such hearts on earth.

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    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: She’s my favorite character on the show. I think this is one of her funniest moments.

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    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    @bemused:
    Cats can be just as friendly to humans as dogs are. My cat likes to hang out by my bedroom window. He says hi to people who walk by and wants them to pretend to pet him through the glass. If they’re heading in the general direction of my door, he goes to the door, hoping they’re coming by to visit him. They aren’t all that friendly, but then again, not all dogs are friendly to strangers, either. It’s just that an unfriendly cat will tend to hide from strangers, while an unfriendly dog is a lot more likely to threaten or attack them. Why this is supposed to be an indication that dogs are much more people friendly than cats is beyond me.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    @Brachiator: I get what you are saying even if I disagree a little. I think a great thing about having immigrants from all over the world is them bring their culture (and food for me) here.

    I grew up in rural small town America. When I lived in DC for all those years the diverse cultures was so freaking cool. That for most days I ate lunch at a Thai or Iranian place. Or about my favorite place was Moroccan and we sat on the floor and ate with our hands.

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    raven

    June 30, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    @Betty Cracker: They are remaking “The Secret in Their Eyes”!

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    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    @Brachiator:

    “And I am done with all this talk about hyphenated Americans. We are not Indian-Americans, Irish-Americans, African-Americans, rich Americans or poor Americans. We are all Americans.”

    I’ll accept that argument the moment rich and white Americans top treating poor and minority Americans like something nasty they stepped in.

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    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    @Roger Moore: I’ve always felt that pets, if owned from a young age, are a direct reflection of their owner.

    I’ve never had a dog but so want one. People joke that dogs often look like their owners. I so see this because when I ponder the type of dog to get I want a dog that enjoys the things I enjoy. I want an active dog. I got this fitness bracelet and I try to walk 20,000 steps a day. I want a dog that will bring his lease to me with the look in his/her eyes of LETS GO WALK!

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    chopper

    June 30, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    it’s also cribbed pretty heavily from a speech by TR.

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    jl

    June 30, 2015 at 5:22 pm

    @Brachiator:

    ” But there is just something about Jindal that invites ridicule. ‘

    Repeatedly saying ridiculous things, and repeatedly making disastrous and ridiculous decisions for Louisiana help.

    #Bobbyjindalissowhite tweets are hilarious and clever.

    it’s Jindal’s own business how he handles his heritage. Even though I don’t like his policies, i think a recent WaPo article on his heritage was a cheap shot, and gossipy BS. What do I care what some more or less random guy who knew his cousins (or whatever) in HS thinks about Jindal’s approach to his heritage?

    But, if he inspires ridicule about it from public, here and in India, that is his problem.

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    jl

    June 30, 2015 at 5:26 pm

    @Roger Moore: Or maybe after we get over white pols can celebrate their own ethnic or regional heritage (ham biscuit and grits anyone?) , while when others do it they risk getting slammed by Fox News and similar ilk for being divisive, or not being ‘real’ Americans and other BS. Which may be a more polite was of saying what you did.

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    trollhattan

    June 30, 2015 at 5:27 pm

    @jl:
    Running for president requires Jindal to hide and obfuscate pretty much everything he’s done as governor, which in turn requires him to literally be a liar and charlatan. Everything else is window-dressing, and a distraction.

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    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    @Tommy:

    I get what you are saying even if I disagree a little. I think a great thing about having immigrants from all over the world is them bring their culture (and food for me) here.

    I don’t think we disagree. I figure that people who come here are free to be who they want to be. You see this also in the history of the nation itself, for example in men and women who moved out west after the Civil War and deliberately shook off the cultures they lived under in the cities they formally lived in.

    In America pizza and hamburgers and frankfurters are American foods, not Italian or German. I live in Southern California, and during the Rose Bowl Game and Parade, the squares come out from the midwest, enter a Chinese or Thai restaurant, and stick up their noses and ask “what’s that?” Meanwhile, black, white, and Asian kids swoop in, order up the wildest combinations of stuff and go about their business, because this is not “ethnic food,” it’s just food. One of my favorite food joints downtown served up the Kosher Burrito, with pastrami, cheese and beans. A coffee shop in a largely Japanese American area served up scrambled eggs, white rice and cha shu (Chinese BBQ pork). That’s the way to have a breakfast.

    And of course, in LA, you can drive up Sepulveda in your Toyota, hang a right on Rodeo, stop and get some sushi on your way to a yoga class.

    The big lie is that the US consists of distinct communities. I cannot find it anymore, but I once ran across a journal on the Internets, in which a Frenchman wrote how all the English in the West Indies walked and talked like Africans. And it’s beyond ironic that some Southerners (and other folks) think that the banjo is a “white” instrument. This US has always been mixed, and always encouraged immigrants to add to the pile of whatever America is.

    And it’s not just America. When I travelled in India, one of our guides noted how some of the (Muslim) Mughal architecture was built by Indian craftsmen. The Mughal rulers demanded that all decoration be acceptably Islamic. The guide then happily pointed out the distinctly Hindu lotus blossoms decorating many palaces.

    Distinct, mixed, fully assimilationist. It’s all good.

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    Francis

    June 30, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    TO ALL MY FRIENDS HERE:

    Thanks very much from the bottom of my heart for all your kind words. On a very tough day, this thread has made my life a little easier.

    Now go home and snuggle all the life forms who love you.

    Love,

    Francis

  150. 150.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 5:33 pm

    @jl: I mentioned in another comment my father got his PhD from LSU. I got my MA there. My family has deep connections to the state.

    Bobby is cutting $600M in funding. The University, and I am on their mailing list, is freaking out. They have a plan in place to declare bankruptcy.

    Now I am a “homer” but it is the flagship university of the state. Some (I would) say the region. He is going to gut the place just so he can say he didn’t raise taxes on the campaign trail.

  151. 151.

    jl

    June 30, 2015 at 5:37 pm

    @Tommy: I’ve loved the time I’ve spent in Louisiana, and am disgusted at what scoundrels like Jindal and Walker are doing to these great universities.

  152. 152.

    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    @jl:

    Which may be a more polite was of saying what you did.

    More or less. If rich white people don’t like how those categories are being used to divide us up, maybe they shouldn’t have invented them for that purpose in the first place.

  153. 153.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 5:43 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Distinct, mixed, fully assimilationist. It’s all good.

    Yes I think we are in agreement. All you just said I agree with for the most part. You live in LA I guess. I used to live in DC before moving back to rural IL. Many here don’t understand that much of the food in my house because it isn’t “American.”

    I just think there is a whole other world out there and maybe we should try to experience it. It seems you have by traveling, I need to do more of that, so good for you!

  154. 154.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    @jl: LSU. LSU. LSU. My father and I fly LSU flags and banners outside our homes here in Illinois. LSU!!!!!!!

    It pains me what is being done.

    I don’t often give advice to people but if you had a son or daughter and they were looking for a school, I would suggest LSU and never fear I was wrong in the suggestion.

    Oh and Baton Rouge is a wonderful town.

  155. 155.

    Brachiator

    June 30, 2015 at 5:50 pm

    @Tommy: How does Jindal and the state legislature justify the cuts they are making? Do they have the guts to say that they don’t think that public education is important?

    Is there some idea here that all of government must get smaller? I don’t get what the motivations here could be.

  156. 156.

    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 5:53 pm

    @Francis: Hugs. Just hugs.

  157. 157.

    Tree With Water

    June 30, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    @jl: William Tecumseh Sherman was the first president of LSU, and literally wept trying to talk sense to the same breed of cat in 1860. The school lost a lot of promising undergraduate talent over the next four years because the fools refused to heed his words.

  158. 158.

    satby

    June 30, 2015 at 6:23 pm

    @Francis: Francis, I hope you’re checking back and reading this. I’m so sorry for your family’s loss. It was Misha’s time, and he must have gone peacefully to sleep. Isn’t hat the way we all would want to go? I know it’s so hard when they’re gone, I lost 3 of my own rescues this year. Always remember that you gave him what is a dog’s heaven on earth, a loving family and a safe home. They ask for nothing more, and when they have it they have everything a dog can dream of.
    Deepest condolences!

  159. 159.

    Tommy

    June 30, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    @Brachiator: They got nothing. Just no tax increases.

  160. 160.

    ms_canadada

    June 30, 2015 at 6:31 pm

    @Francis: Hello Francis,
    Losing your buddy is soooo hard. I lost my Hurricane Katrina rescue dog, Sally, in 2014. (Yes, quite a large number of dogs ended up in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada).
    I still miss my girl, as she was a beautiful, loving companion. I truly feel your pain.
    Within a month, I rescued an abandoned beagle hound, Scooter, who is the most loving dog I’ve ever had. My terrier, Rufus, was rescued from a puppy mill, back in 2007. He’s now blind and has diabetes, growths on his hips, and is incontinent. I cannot let him go, although he’s costing me a small fortune, as he was my husband’s buddy (my husband took his life on March 2.)
    I truly feel your pain and suffering. Take care, my friend. It will become easier with time, although it will take a long time.

  161. 161.

    Elizabelle

    June 30, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    @ms_canadada: Hugs to you too. And I love that you rescued a beagle hound. I heart beagles.

  162. 162.

    Sourmash

    June 30, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    @Francis: I am so sorry. I lost a dog last fall and came here for support. The people didn’t disappoint. I hope your pain is eventually overwhelmed by the memories of joy and love your puppy brought into your life. Peace.

  163. 163.

    rikyrah

    June 30, 2015 at 7:01 pm

    @Francis:
    Sorry for your loss.

  164. 164.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 30, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    @raven: Where I am from, party-interrupting drives to the ER are a thing!

  165. 165.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 30, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    @Jeffro: Businesses will pay their scutwork managers over the threshold and continue to demand the 80+ hour weeks and total devotion to the company.

    I thought I heard they’re proposing $50K (less than Robert Reich is calling for). Shit, most lesser companies pay their wannabe Hitlers more than that already. This will only impact the sleaziest businesses. Cellphone resellers, check cashing/payday loans, MV Transportation….

    J/K, MV only pays their drivers less than $50K. Managers are paid blood money.

  166. 166.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 30, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    @Brachiator:

    One company I did business with moved to another state. In the new state, they had much lower wage costs, but also had trouble hiring sufficiently capable employees. This has resulted in an overall decline in the quality of their products and customer service, but their profits are still good and shareholders are happy.

    Well, thank heaven for that!

  167. 167.

    Ruckus

    June 30, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    Many mfg jobs used to pay overtime regularly. At my shop it was very, very rare to pay less than 44 hrs. (9 M-T, 8 on F) and quite often we worked 52 per week. And these were reasonably high paying craft jobs. And other than working people too much we could have worked more. Over time at time and 1/2 is cheaper than another worker at full time.
    All the conservative bitching is the same bullshit as always. Someone may be getting a slightly bigger piece of the supposedly zero sum pie and therefore not suffering enough. Fuck them.

  168. 168.

    Ruckus

    June 30, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    @Francis:
    @ms_canadada:
    It does get easier. Not a lot but enough. It’s tough losing your friends, especially the furry ones, because they didn’t really care that you are an imperfect being. You cared for them and that means a lot. You don’t have to stop caring for them in your mind. And you won’t.

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