The US national anthem doesn’t make me feel patriotic at all. It was about a war the United States lost.
Here’s some music that does make me feel patriotic.
What music makes you feel patriotic?
by DougJ| 131 Comments
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The US national anthem doesn’t make me feel patriotic at all. It was about a war the United States lost.
Here’s some music that does make me feel patriotic.
What music makes you feel patriotic?
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Roger Moore
I don’t see why a song about a war we lost has to be unpatriotic. The Star Spangled Banner- the verses that are officially the national anthem, at least- is about hanging tough and keeping up the fight even when things look bleak. It seems to me that requires far more real patriotism than saying “America, fuck yeah!” when we’re doing well.
gogol's wife
The national anthem of the Russian Federation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAtz8xWM0w
I love the tune, but boy am I glad I’m an Amurikan.
ETA: Oh, and Obama singing “Amazing Grace,” too.
DougJ
@Roger Moore:
I’d rathe not be about a war at all but if it was about D-Day, I’d understand.
dino
clearly a draw, pinko
Bill Murray: “We’re 10 and1”
Miki
Aaron Copeland’s Fanfare for The Common Man is my go to for patriotic music – here’s a nice one: https://youtu.be/4NjssV8UuVA.
joel hanes
Here’s some _really_ patriotic music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvI7NHAEqCU
Ben Sidran “Free In America”
only in America do we have patriotic songs
backed up with soul choir
AliceBlue
Woody Guthrie’s “This Land is Your Land”.
Petorado
X’s Fourth of July is fitting for today’s holiday, but Los Lobos’ One Time, One Night in America feels like the real American experience.
Vince
This is both the most patriotic song and video of all time.
Song
raven
Counting the cars
On the New Jersey Turnpike
The’ve all come
To look for America,
All come to look for America,
All come to look for America.
jayjaybear
If we’re making nominations, I think Bernstein and Sondheim’s “America” from West Side Story, for all that it’s a flighty Broadway tune, encompasses the whole somewhat confusing welter of opinions about this country. You have the enthusiastic, optimistic America-lovers (who do eventually win out) and the folks who are wounded by this country’s racism and class differences arguing it out in song. PERFECT!
Germy Shoemangler
Only In America – Version by the Drifters
joel hanes
@raven:
Yes.
That whole album was imho their pinnacle.
srv
10 years ago, this was a much more serious blog
https://balloon-juice.com/2005/07/04/buffy-the-vampire-slayer/
Yatsuno
@gogol’s wife: Could be worse. The Greek national anthem has 158 stanzas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymn_to_Liberty
joel hanes
From a poem by Wendell Berry
Denounce the government and embrace the flag
Hope to live in that free republic for which it stands
Joel
The Battle Hymn of the Republic, sung by Odetta.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4VsE9T4Sr30
Lihtox
@Roger Moore: I like the fact that the Star-Spangled Banner (or at least the first verse) isn’t triumphant. I wish our foreign policy and our patriotism were as humble and reflective.
“Say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave over the land of the free and the home of the brave?” Well, does it? Is it still the land of the free and the home of the brave?
joel hanes
Curtis Mayfield and the Impressions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_esbRoOeR0&list=PL45AE6187E4FF56DE&index=4
raven
@Lihtox: wow, deep
Villago Delenda Est
I’m fine with the Star Spangled Banner. But this country may have once been the “home of the brave” but over the last 35 or so years it’s pretty obvious it no longer is.
raven
@joel hanes: I was listening to “Back to the World” this morning.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
Okay, I have to be That Commenter: “meet feel”?
Steppan
For shame, peoples!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk
JGabriel
@raven: Seconded. A pretty great Simon & Garfunkel tune.
Speaking of Paul Simon, another oddly patriotic song is:
Rene and Georgette Magritte
With their dog after the war
Were strolling down Christopher Street
When they stopped in a men’s store
With all of the mannequins dressed in the style
That brought tears to their immigrant eyes
Just like the Penguins, the Moonglows
The Orioles, and the Five Satins
The easy stream of laughter
Flowing through the air
Rene and Georgette Magritte
With their dog apres la guerre
Amir Khalid
Interesting choices. Let me just note that Amazing Grace was written by an Englishman, and The Pogues are a Celtic punk band from London.
The Ancient Randonneur
Ray Charles, America. Gets me every time.
Chris
I really love “America” in West Side Story. Great combo of “here’s why it sucks” and “here’s why it rocks.”
Davis X. Machina
@Petorado: Forgot how much I liked that song. Los Lobos are a treasure.
And because Les ouvriers n’ont pas de patrie.
Germy Shoemangler
american tune Paul Simon
Jim, Foolish Literalist
The Home of the Brave?
JGabriel
@Lihtox:
Given that we have one of – if not the – highest incarceration rates in the world, I’d say it’s pretty clear we’re no longer the land of the free.
And given the way conservatives freak out about pretty much everything, I guess land of the brave is looking pretty iffy too.
Davis X. Machina
@Germy Shoemangler: Check out Mandy Patinkin’s Yiddish cover version sometime.
soonergrunt (mobile)
@Yatsuno: they can’t afford that at all. Going to have to cut it back, probably to something Angela Merkel finds acceptable.
I understand nobody is currently using “Die Horst Wessel-Leid”.
Amir Khalid
@soonergrunt (mobile):
Ahem. That would be das Horst Wessel Lied.
How ya doin’, guy?
Ruckus
@Amir Khalid:
That’s OK, most of us are immigrants from zero to five generations ago.
Randy P
I don’t mind the Star Spangled Banner. I’m happy to stand for it and sing along.
But I’ve always been fond of the UU hymn to the Finlandia tune (composed by Sibelius), as an antidote to all that exceptionalism that we’re always being hammered with.
This is my song, O God of all the nations,
a song of peace for lands afar and mine;
this is my home, the country where my heart is;
here are my hopes, my dreams, my holy shrine:
but other hearts in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams as true and high as mine.
My country’s skies are bluer than the ocean,
and sunlight beams on cloverleaf and pine;
but other lands have sunlight too, and clover,
and skies are everywhere as blue as mine:
O hear my song, thou God of all the nations,
a song of peace for their land and for mine.
Vince
John Brown’s Body
Steppan
A little more seriously: it took me a couple goes at it for it to click (and remembering the context of Vietnam), but Hendrix’s Woodstock rendition is now my favorite version of the Star Spangled Banner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPwrlKUtpwk
JGabriel
American Beat ’84 – The Fleshtones
We’re An American Band – Grand Funk Railroad
We’re An American Band – Yo La Tengo
ThresherK
I’m the master of missing the thread, so here are our cat pix.
A song which really gets to me sometimes, is “Me and Jimmie Rodgers”.
It’s not “patriotic” per se.
(I know, it’s awfully white male hetero.)
Capt Seaweed
No contest….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xk1P1913y0
Roger Moore
@soonergrunt (mobile):
I don’t think Merkel wants to give that one up right away, since Germany may need it soon.
JGabriel
This one feels oddly patriotic too, in the way that the narrator still seems to maintain hope despite soul-deadening industrialization and consumerism.
Sprawl II (Mountains Beyond Mountians) – Arcade Fire
They heard me singing and they told me to stop
Quit these pretentious things and just punch the clock
These days my life, I feel it has no purpose
But late at night the feelings swim to the surface
‘Cause on the surface the city lights shine
They’re calling at me, come and find your kind
Sometimes I wonder if the world’s so small
That we can never get away from the sprawl
Living in the sprawl
Dead shopping malls rise like mountains beyond mountains
And there’s no end in sight
I need the darkness, someone please cut the lights
Zinsky
Try this link for an obscure Jackson Browne patriotic song that has faults, but parts of it ring very true…..
http://youtu.be/NWJgQpQLeho
jl
Charles Ives, Variations on America
Ives: Variations on “America” (1891), E. Power Biggs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UZq09F9RR4
scottinnj
Funkiest Patriotic Song – Livin’ In America, James Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5BL4RNFr58
Though this Woody Guthrie song could be contender for one of the most patriotic songs. – This Land is Your Land
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE
and finally for us New Joysians this classic from the Boss 4th of July Asbury Park (Sandy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88i0S7ikt18
jl
Steam calliope, can’t beat that for fourth of july picnic music!
Steam Calliope Chesapeake Bronze Works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1l6dKW62_w
hamletta
I’m from Maryland, so I’m required to love “The Star-Spangled Banner.” I live about 20 minutes from Fredneck, where everything’s named “Key.”
Brachiator
It’s not really about war. It’s about hanging tough and persevering when odds and circumstances are against you. Given the bombast and victory guzzling in many songs and anthems, there is a remarkable amount of humility here.
But aside from that, I like Woody Guthrie’s “This Land Is Your Land,”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiMrvDbq3s
and, of course, James Brown, Living In America. Bombast and Funk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5BL4RNFr58
ETA: I’m seeing that great minds think alike!
hamletta
My town’s parade and picnic got rain delayed till tomorrow. So bummed. I missed it last year. And we’re auditioning a potential new choir director, so I have to go to church tomorrow.
jl
@efgoldman: that is too many. Probably the real reason for the Grexit crisis.
Here is something to remind us that the US started as a (mostly) white riot.
The Clash, White Riot (U.K. Version) (Lyrics)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kEZHMP-ei8
A.
Never had much of the “patriotic pride” feeling, even as a kid, but this might be as close as I get to something similar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs
A Change Is Gonna Come
gogol's wife
@Randy P:
Yes, we sing that one too, and I love those words.
Tree With Water
I’ve long thought our national anthem should be A Hard Rains A-Gonna Fall. Best of all, it’s a fun song!
“..Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin’
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin’
I saw a white ladder all covered with water
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
And it’s a hard, and it’s a hard, it’s a hard, it’s a hard
And it’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall..”.
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
Or soft minds run together.
Keith G
The Star-Spangled Banner is actually a unique piece of music to use as an anthem.
The verse we sing lasts about a minute. It tells a compact and complete, self-enclosed narrative about one important night in our early history.
Other anthems tend to drone on as lists of platitudes and do not tell a story.
Additional bonus points are earned by the SSB because the first verse does not mention God….yet.
Brachiator
@Roger Moore:
Hard Times for the Soft Minds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqiafANKEg
tarragon
I always make a point of listening to The Descendents ‘Merican I wouldn’t call it patriotic though.
M. Bouffant
“Love of country” is bullshit. One can no more “love” an immaterial entity like a country or nation-state than one could love Hobby Lobby, Apple or any other corporate shitpile.
The Gray Adder
@dino:
The war in question:
Date June 18, 1812 – February 18, 1815
(2 years and 8 months)
Location Eastern and Central North America, Atlantic and Pacific
Result
Status quo ante bellum
Military stalemate
Defeat of Tecumseh’s Confederacy
Note that Great Britain was still the military superpower it was the first time we fought, and yet we held our own when they should have kicked our asses.
More importantly…
“In the United States, late victories over invading British armies at the battles of Plattsburg, Baltimore (inspiring their national anthem, ‘The Star-Spangled Banner’) and New Orleans produced a sense of euphoria over a ‘second war of independence’ against Britain.[5][6] The Federalist Party had strongly opposed the war effort and prevented New England from providing much in the way of soldiers and troops; it now virtually collapsed. The war ended on a high note for Americans, bringing an ‘Era of Good Feelings’ in which partisan animosity nearly vanished in the face of strengthened U.S. nationalism.”
Mike J
Fireworks day.
Hello daddy, hello mom
TaMara (BHF)
@Miki: Copeland gives me the chills whenever I listen to his music.
raven
@Steppan: This was not Hendrix but, given that it was the 1998 Music City Bowl between Bama and the Hokies, the reaction was really strong. As soon as Carlton started I looked at my wife and said “these people are going to go nuts. They did
Liquid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvTqknDobU — Happy 4th!
Davis X. Machina
@M. Bouffant: This is why the general strike in August of 1914 stopped cold what would otherwise have become World War i.
raven
@efgoldman: The one on one scene at the end of “He Got Game” used the song.
realbtl
How about this one. Yes I’m a bit negative.
realbtl
Damn, let try again
joel hanes
@M. Bouffant:
Speak for yourself.
Aleta
This works for me as a song to a country that often breaks my heart. And I like how everyone is singing together with so much feeling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wenQ_ThYksA
And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbO2_077ixs
A Change Is Going to Come, Sam Cooke
Davis X. Machina
@raven:
@efgoldman
“Our Town” has been the first thing I’ve moved onto every MP3 player I’ve ever owned…
Peter Ross’ overnight program on WBUR — or WCRB, can’t recall now — used to open with it once a week.
shell
Was reading this weekend’s Doonesbury and it involves his ex, the performance artist, J.J. She’s talking about setting up a hospice-cam and that she’s going to ‘die live.’ What gives? Is this character terminally ill? What id I miss?
WaterGirl
If I had a hammer…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaWl2lA7968
Comrade Carter
Bruce Springsteen and We Take Care Of Our Own:
https://youtu.be/31tgD-JVpIc
Although, the X version of Fourth of July is next.
Brachiator
@The Gray Adder:
They burnt the White House to the ground and damaged the Capitol and many other buildings in Washington, D.C., and easily wreaked havoc wherever they wanted. To the Brits, the war was a minor irritant. The larger issue was Europe and the wars with Napoleon. In terms of world events, the War of 1812 was trivial.
On top of all this, the US had tried to invade Canada, foolishly believing that Canadians were just aching to become part of the US. Instead, we only succeeding in encouraging Canadian nationalism.
It is a bit of a mystery why Britain settled for the status quo (in a deal reached in 1814) instead of being more punitive.
By the way, there is a good BBC History podcast on the War of 1812, which can be played or downloaded. Worth a listen. The historian interviewed is biased in favor of Britain, and downplays the American effort. And the way the historian, Andrew Lambert, disparages James Madison as an insignificant figure, is amazing.
http://www.historyextra.com/podcast/war-independence
Tokyokie
@AliceBlue: Agreed, but this is my favorite rendition of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW6sTCDwOnM
Jim Parish
Another patriotic Jackson Browne: For America
Aleta
@Aleta:
They leave out a verse:
Must I go bound while you go free
Must I love a man who doesn’t love me
Must I be born with so little art
As to love a man who’ll break my heart
And a verse is added:
The seagulls wheel, they turn and dive
the mountains stand beside the sea
This world we know turns round and round
And all for them, and you and me
(prob written by P. Seeger)
Tree With Water
@raven: I love it when entertainers perform the anthem and provoke angry reactions. Remember Roseanne Barr’s performance? Her’s is my all time favorite. I forget what club invited her, but they certainly knew she was a comedian. And she delivered. Which is why I rushed to her defense when the club “apologized” for it, as though they had expected a reverent Marian Anderson at the Lincoln Memorial moment, and had instead been double-crossed… it’s a dog of an anthem, anyway, and my favorite version of it will always be the one that’s over and done with in the fastest time.
PaulW
We didn’t lose the War of 1812. We tied.
The real winners of that war were the Canadians, who developed a sense of national pride all their own.
The British didn’t care much for it, because they were too busy fighting Napoleon (both times). They don’t even teach it in their classrooms (one diplomat visiting during WWII was stunned to find out British troops burned the White House during this war).
The only real losers were the Native tribes, who were trying to stop the Euro-Americans from spreading across to the West.
Just Some Fuckhead
@srv: Some asshole named John Cole used to post day and night back then.
PaulW
Dear Mother Nature: please don’t rain on us in DC tonight. Thank ye.
Liquid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8 <– That might be more appropriate.
Tokyokie
@Tree With Water: As I recall, it was the San Diego Padres, and there was some connection between the team’s management and Roseanne’s agent. She knew damn well she didn’t have the vocal range to do it properly, but she gave the crowd a show all the same.
raven
@Tree With Water: I enjoyed Larry’s gig but I really had to wonder who in the hell in Nashville thought that was a good idea with that audience.
raven
@PaulW: So we weren’t 10-1 we were 9-1-1?
jl
@efgoldman:
Boot Hill 2012 Steam Whistle Blow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFl8s-23lJM
TheMightyTrowel
I’m staying in a very Turkish neighborhoods in east berlin for my two month fellowship here and my 4th July evening music is Turkish dance music from the bat on the corner. Surprisingly jazzy and fun!
burnspbesq
One of the most “American” sounding classical pieces I know was written by a Czech. This is not my favorite recording–that would be the equally Czech Pavel Haas Quartet–but it’s good enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxtAHpYIXdU
Cacti
@Brachiator:
Because the Brits were in no position to extract punitive concessions in 1814. They’d been repulsed at Baltimore and Plattsburgh and routed at New Orleans.
Their strategic goal of keeping an alliance with Tecumseh’s Confederacy as a hedge against future US westward expansion was also ended when Tecumseh was killed and his forces scattered at the Battle of the Thames.
Calling the War of 1812 a loss was fairly ignorant by DougJ. What exactly had the country lost at the war’s end?
The only real losers of that war were the Native tribes of the western territories.
wasabi gasp
Thread’s hitting 100 with no love for Neil Diamond?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_GH6M7cUq4
gelfling545
@Amir Khalid: I was told that the text of Amazing Grace was written by an Englishman who had engaged in the slave trade after he saw the error of his ways & repented. Don’t know if this is true.
Brachiator
@Cacti:
The Battle of New Orleans was inconsequential, except to American feelings of pride. The Treaty of Ghent, ending the war, had been signed on December 24, 1814, but the news had not reached the US.
And note that while the US sent heavyweights like John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay to the treaty negotiations, the Brits only sent minor officials closely controlled by London superiors.
Ironically, after the abdication on Napoleon in 1814, many in the British public wanted larger war with the US. But privateers, more than US resistance, caused problems with British trade and merchants in Liverpool and Bristol wanted a return to economic good times.
Yep. The Duke of Wellington, who refused to fight in America, pointed out that British policy would not gain Britain any territory in America. And the goal of using Native Americans to block US expansion was spiteful, but did not serve any British strategic goals.
Americans got to feel good that they had come away from a battle with Britain with honor and some victories. The British largely didn’t give a rat’s ass. Dealing with Napoleon and Europe was more important to their long term interests.
smintheus
This should really be our national anthem.
Dobie Gray, The In Crowd
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Brachiator:
It’s possible for the outcome of a war to mean more to one side than it does to the other. Just sayin’.
joel hanes
@TheMightyTrowel:
I’m staying in a very Turkish neighborhoods in east berlin
By damn, I miss the shaslik and paprika-drenched brathanchen from the little Turkish gastarbeiter-owned restaurant down the street from the barracks in Furth.
(please pardon the missing ulauts; in a hurry)
Mike J
@efgoldman:
Not any more. Aren’t they moving a few miles down the road? The Provsox?
jacel
Laurie Anderson has a wonderful commentary on The Star-Spangled Banner. She also talks about the national anthem’s B-side, Yankee Doodle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osHBA6YAHAo
Monkeyhawk
This is one of my faves —
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOfkpu6749w
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@efgoldman:
Dick Dale’s very American surf music is heavily influenced by the Lebanese music Dale grew up hearing in his family (they were Lebanese immigrants). So it’s very possible for something to be both strongly influenced by another country’s music and very American.
Geoduck
As has been mentioned, the biggest problem with the SSB is not its content, but that it’s so hard to sing properly. If you’re picking something that will be sung by The Masses, go as simple as you can tune-wise.
And it’s probably small of me, but whenever the latest eruption of stupidity blurts out of the South, I have to go listen to this song again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzCt2xeSo
Denali
@Gefling545,
True.
Jay Salter
Jimi Hendrix – The Star Spangled Banner, live at Woodstock, 1969
rikyrah
@The Ancient Randonneur:
Me too.
Me too.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
The War of 1812 is one of the best examples of this, and also a refutation of the lame cliche that history is written by the victors. The British, the Canadians, the US, and Native Americans all have different views of the war. But anyone who sees it as an American victory is barking up the wrong tree.
Didn’t know that Dale was Lebanese. But isn’t all “American” music essentially a blending and reconsideration of various sources?
Dale’s “Surfing Drums” samples (or steals) the African American Bo Diddley riff and adds guitar and saxophone and drums to become its own thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqXb1A6ScJU
It’s kinda like adding the lyrics of the Star Spangled Banner to the music written for a British men’s social club.
Mike G
@Geoduck:
My grandma loved to tell a story of when she was on a bus tour through Europe with a large group of American seniors. They were staying at a hotel in Germany someplace and the house band thought they’d impress the visitors by playing what old-timey American tunes they knew. Most of the songs turned out to be Southern – “Dixie”, “Rockytop”, “Old Folks at Home”, etc. and the Southerners present were cheering and enjoying it very much. Then the band struck up “Marching Through Georgia”, and the Southerners’ mood changed very suddenly :-)
Brachiator
The Star Spangled Banner is positively snappy compared to “Hail, Columbia” which served as the national anthem at official functions for most of the 19th century.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlQS1pzHdA
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Brachiator:
I think it’s fair to say that Americans viewed the War of 1812 as an American victory. That doesn’t mean the other sides are obligated to agree.
There was a great documentary series on PBS about 20 years ago called “Rock and roll: An Unruly History” that talked about a lot of the sources for rock music, which is where I heard Dale tell his story about the roots of surf music. I think someone found it on YouTube at some point.
Another tidbit from the same show: Blondie started out at a reggae band and then got “discoized.” Listen to “Heart of Glass” and you can hear the reggae rhythms in it, sped up for disco.
Geoduck
@efgoldman: Yeah, I should have said, unfortunately there is That One Line.
Mustang Bobby
Aaron Copland’s score for The Red Pony and Our Town make me feel patriotic, along with Woody Guthrie’s “This Land is Your Land” because they celebrate the variety of the land, not our military accomplishments.
For national anthems, I gotta go with “O Canada” for singability, even though it does talk about “True patriot love in all thy sons command….” So there were no patriotic women? They’ve tried to update the lyrics, but it hasn’t happened yet. It’s not jingoistic and it’s got a good beat.
Davis X. Machina
@efgoldman: Twern’t I. Didn’t — couldn’t — serve.
My nascent CG career ended — I was aiming at the Academy — with the magic words “How many diopters?”
Uncle Cosmo
@Keith G:This x100.
J. Patrick’s Pub, my”Cheers”–the Irish bar “where everybody knew my name”–stood no more than half a mile from Fort McHenry. (Sadly, with the untimely passing of its eponymous publican is now transmogrified into a more respectable but less cozy establishment.)
And I grew up only a couple of miles from North Point & the site of the crucial land action of that incident, where the Maryalnd militia repelled the force landed by the British fleet to take the town & killed its commander, Major-General Robert Ross.
About 30 years ago, in Philadelphia for a conference on military logistics, our small delegation of LogE’s ran into a similar group of Bundeswehr officers, who were puzzled by the lyrics. We were happy to explain & flesh out the story.
And just FTR, the Supreme Being makes a cameo appearance in the fourth & last stanza of the poem, which begins with the sentiment that IMHO fully justifies keeping it as the national anthem:
Southern Beale
What was the fucking war of 1812 about, anyway?
Mike in NC
@Southern Beale: Largely about American merchant seamen being impressed by the British.
joel hanes
@efgoldman:
We’ve had this conversation before;
I’m ten years after your friend, and almost as many years before Omnes.
Omnes was an officer; I was a draftee; our experiences somewhat divergent.
William O’Darby Kaserne, Furth May 1973 – May 1975
Commo Platoon, HHB, 1 Bn 94 FA
(self-propelled, tac-nuke capable 8-inch howitzers)
I spent over a quarter of those two years at the Grafenwoehr field training facility,
and another month on Reforger IV, and two additional months aggregate
living in tents and doing 4-on, 4-off company-strength armed guard duty at our ammo site.
Then I spent the last six months of my hitch at
AFRC Chiemsee, near Rosenheim, just north of the alps on the Munich-Berchtesgaden autobahn,
teaching sailing to military personnel and dependents.
WaterGirl
@efgoldman: I had the very same thought about both the “post photos of your pets” thread and this “patriotic songs” thread.
John Cole was the author of the first one; DougJ was the author of this one.
Kudos to both for perfect threads for this day.
BobS
@AliceBlue: A few years ago I attended a concert where John Hiatt, Guy Clark, Joe Ely, & Lyle Lovett shared the billing and the stage. Their final encore (of several) featured all four performers trading all the verses of This Land Is Your Land with the entire audience standing and singing — the parts we could remember, that is. It was a great feeling.@Petorado: Two excellent choices, although I’m partial to Dave Alvin’s version(s) of his song, alone and with The Blasters, the Guilty Men & Women, etc. Promised Land by Chuck Berry & Fortunate Son by CCR/John Fogerty also belong on a 4th of July playlist.
Bill Murray
Drive By Truckers — Carl Perkin’s Cadillac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaN7_mcjx3k) is pretty American and Decoration Day
My favorite version of Amazing Grace is the Blind Boys of Alabama’s version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE4k76VjGdY
Miki
@efgoldman: You are! Old, that is. S’all right. I’m moving into old in a couple of weeks. Yee. Haw.
Arclite
@Roger Moore: Did someone say…
America! Fuck Yeah!
Jewish Steel
This is is the America-est song I know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMagJdyWxQM
Bill Murray
@Jewish Steel: I don’t know, “Gun” might be even more America-esty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbei3IAnUEs
bad Jim
Right now I’m listening to Charles Ives’ second symphony. Certainly not a candidate for an anthem, and very reminiscent of the then recent civil war, but the final mashup of “Columbia, Gem of the Ocean” is always great. A hearty second to everyone who voted for his variations on “America”; I heard that earlier.
How can anyone who’s heard Dvorak’s 9th symphony, or the American Quartet, claim that he was using Czech themes? I’m fairly confident that “Turkey in the Straw” and “Swing Low Sweet Chariot” are American. More to the point, Dvorak stated that he was weaving together bits of our folk music to show Americans what they ought to do.
My favorite piece of patriotic music is “The Stars and Stripes Forever” with the traditional words:
Be kind to your web-footed friends, for a duck may be somebody’s mother.
She lives at the edge of a swamp
Where the weather is very very damp.
Now you may think that this is the end, and it is, but then I’m a liar,
We’re going to sing it again, and this time we’re going to sing it even higher.
John M. Burt
The Internationale.
Hey, how can I not feel patriotic about lyrics like,
All people are created equal
With rights to life and liberty
The state must be the people’s servant
That they might be safe and free
And if the state should shirk its duty
The people then must stand
Their right’s to alter or abolish it
And remake it by their hand
That is as close to a literal translation as any I have ever seen, and it serves to show how two of the strongest streams of Liberalism are not so far apart after all.
chuck
The words to the SSB always make me think of the Palestinians in Gaza getting bombed. It’s long been inappropriate for the American Empire.
mclaren
<blo@Roger Moore:
Fuck YEAH! AMERICA! NUMBER ONE!!!! EVEN WHEN WE SCREW UP AND LOSE!!!!!!
Not only did America lose that war, the British burned down our seat of government. And America was so cheap we didn’t have the money to rebuild it from scratch, so we repainted it. White. Which is why it’s now called “The White House.”
Yeah, that’s a real sign of being Number One.
Nitbrain.
mclaren
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
I think it’s also fair to say that Americas viewed WMDs as having been found in Iraq — and used against American troops.
Were you always this stupid, Mnemosyne, or did you have to get a PhD in gormlessness?
different-church-lady
@mclaren: Remind me never to sit next to you on a long bus ride.
brantl
@AliceBlue: Damn Straight!
brantl
@The Gray Adder: We held our own? We attacked them, they defended, and won. We lost. “Held our own”, my ass.