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You are here: Home / Open Threads / Open Thread: Germany, Not Having A Great Week

Open Thread: Germany, Not Having A Great Week

by Anne Laurie|  July 5, 201510:06 pm| 86 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Sports

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I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the loud yells celebrating the #USWMNT victory. pic.twitter.com/5OgCRylUit

— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) July 6, 2015

Nor is FIFA, apparently…

It's really decent of the FIFA officials to not ask for envelopes to be given to them before they award all the trophies.

— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) July 6, 2015

@paul_w_hoffman @dandrezner the only question is whether FIFA is more cautious about corruption or women's soccer in general.

— Katie Hyten (@KatieHyten) July 6, 2015

It's just not the same without Sepp Blatter. Thank goodness.

— Bethany Albertson (@AlbertsonB2) July 6, 2015

Or The Donald, for that matter…

Donald Trump, June 16: "When did we beat Japan at ANYTHING?"

— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) July 5, 2015

This guy, on the other hand:

VP Biden trips to the #WorldCup: ✓ 2010 in South Africa ✓ 2014 in Brazil ✓ 2015 in Canada #USAvJPN #USWNT #USA pic.twitter.com/yFIIt0Kuus

— Vice President Biden (@VP) July 5, 2015

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  1. 1.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    Sorry. Was GER saying something?

  2. 2.

    JPL

    July 5, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    Gotta love some Joe.

  3. 3.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    It was obvious yesterday that GER was the better team than ENG but that they just didn’t give a shit when it came down to it. So ENG gets 3rd and GER gets to go home and consider their lack of effort.

  4. 4.

    rikyrah

    July 5, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    Love Joey B.

  5. 5.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    The USA team put GER on their back hip and said come play with me, if you can. And they could not.

  6. 6.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    Waiting to see where the horse’s head gets placed in Greece after the Greferendum result.

  7. 7.

    SiubhanDuinne

    July 5, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    @Corner Stone:
    @Corner Stone:

    Isn’t this just crying out for a good Downfall parody? Wonder how long it will take to get one up. I’m guessing within 12 hours.

  8. 8.

    Poopyman

    July 5, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    Did Germany coach Silvia Neid have anything to say after the match?

    Oh, never mind, it wouldn’t have been important.

  9. 9.

    schrodinger's cat

    July 5, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    Germany was not able to scare off Greece, either.

  10. 10.

    Amir Khalid

    July 5, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    @rikyrah:
    See who Joe Biden is having the conversation with in that picture? That’s none other than the Brazilian football legend Pele.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    I wonder if this narrator for Shark Week sounds like this in real life? Can you imagine being his grandkid?
    “And then it was clear, nothing like this ice cream truck had been seen at this park before. Measuring 18ft it circled the swings endlessly, giving its prey no chance to escape…”

  12. 12.

    Elizabelle

    July 5, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Yeah. That was the first part of Germany’s bad week that came to mind.

    You must do more multipanel catsplainingeconomics posts.

  13. 13.

    JPL

    July 5, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Thanks for mentioning that, because I would have missed it.

  14. 14.

    PurpleGirl

    July 5, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    From the top:

    Donald Trump, June 16: “When did we beat Japan at ANYTHING?”

    Ah, The Donald, maybe a little thing called the 2nd World War in the Pacific…

    Idiot.

  15. 15.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 5, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    @efgoldman: what do you think his pappy did with all those suddenly vacated households once all the Nips were shipped to Angel Island?

  16. 16.

    Joel

    July 5, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    Jason Paul Pierre, also not having a good week.

    deadspin.com/report-jason-pierre-paul-seriously-damaged-hand-in-fir-1715870503

  17. 17.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 5, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    There’s a married homeowner with child complaining about how the San Francisco he grew up in has changed, maaaan. “We like making people happy, what we don’t want is Uh, well, this… This techie crowd! So different from what we used to do in the 80s! I got a bigger kick out of selling them a cocktail than I do from them… Like, these kids come in and like, can I have, uh… Some obscure cocktail?”

    The complaint seems to be that 21-year-olds are idiots.

  18. 18.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 5, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    He’s now drawing a distinction between rockaway beach and Brooklyn and whether the woman he’s talking to lives “in New York”

  19. 19.

    Petorado

    July 5, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    @Joel: Sadly, someone out-Darwin’ed Mr. Paul.

  20. 20.

    smintheus

    July 5, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    @Amir Khalid: Pele: Slightly less obviously corrupt than his BFF Sepp Blatter.

  21. 21.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 5, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    How did I end up in a non-punk straight bar. Poor decision.

  22. 22.

    Brendan in Charlotte

    July 5, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    To be fair – the end of their week was brought on by their own hubris. Their soccer downfall was due to horrible officiating.

  23. 23.

    Timurid

    July 5, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    Enjoy your lead medal, Silvia…

  24. 24.

    Bill Murray

    July 5, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    @efgoldman: 2012 Olympics Women’s Soccer Final, that might count, although the fraud money probably wasn’t in real estate

  25. 25.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    These “shark scientists” are just assholes. Stop high fiving when you stick a Mako with a multi pound camera rig.

  26. 26.

    Amir Khalid

    July 5, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @Joel:
    It used to be a Ramadhan tradition in Malaysia: not a week would go by without some fool kid losing fingers from playing with fireworks, and thus spoiling his Eid al-Fitri somewhat.

  27. 27.

    Cacti

    July 5, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    We’ve beaten the Germans twice at their favorite national sport…

    And also at the FIFA Women’s World Cup.

  28. 28.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    @Brendan in Charlotte:

    Their soccer downfall was due to horrible officiating.

    Where?

  29. 29.

    Corner Stone

    July 5, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    How did I end up in a non-punk straight bar.

    I’m pretty sure Omnes will have more than a few words for you when he stops his turn at the upside down spinal adjustment table he utilizes a few times a week.

  30. 30.

    opiejeanne

    July 5, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Or they want a cocktail that the goober behind the bar hasn’t learned yet, but maybe is an old standard Like a gin fizz? I ordered one a few years ago and a friend who was with us had to coach him through it.

    Someone else ordered another drink, popular about 40 years ago, not too obscure, like a sidecar (I think that was the name) and he got out a book to look it up.

  31. 31.

    divF

    July 5, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    How did I end up in a non-punk straight bar. Poor decision.

    Are you still there and live-blogging your annoyance ?

    Now that you’ve brought it up, how did you end up there ? It’s not as if there aren’t other choices out your way.

  32. 32.

    mdblanche

    July 5, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Angie should look on the bright side. No matter how badly she messes up she’ll never be ranked worse than Germany’s third worst chancellor.

  33. 33.

    PurpleGirl

    July 5, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: Rockaway Beach and the Rockaways are part of the borough of Queens. But you have to go through Brooklyn to get there by train. And Queens IS a part of New York City. Again, idiots.

    Don’t know what this topic refers to to, but Rockaway Beach is part of NYC by way of Queens county.

  34. 34.

    Redshift

    July 5, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    Hey, Elizabelle!

    I’m not going to do a long review. But a few comments. I wasn’t too sure about spending many hours at RFK, especially since I was going by myself, but I had a great time. I would disagree about Heart, though (they were the entry in the lineup that sold me on the show.) I thought they were great. And at least where I was, almost everyone other than the Foo Fighters got an enthusiastic reaction from some people and polite interest or indifference from others.

    I enjoyed everything, and it was great to see acts that I know I really should see while they’re still around, but somehow never manage to.

    And to top it off, an epic Foo Fighters show! They played for something like two and a half hours, and it was very personal, with Dave Grohl telling tales for the hometown crowd.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    July 5, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    @opiejanne

    Sidecar.

    Mmmmmmmmm.

    Brandy, Cointreau, lemon. What’s not to like?

    Presume what you ordered was a sloe gin fizz? Sloe gin and gin are practically different species.

  36. 36.

    Major Major Major Major

    July 5, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @NotMax: we started making those in college when we realized all we had was brandy, Cointreau, and a lemon tree.

  37. 37.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    July 5, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @Elizabelle: Thanks for the concert report. Cherry Bomb was a song from the Runaways, Joan Jett’s band before the Blackhearts(late 70’s, early 80’s). One of her bandmates in the Runaways, I’m too lazy to look up her name, had early admission to UCLA(ya got to be wicked smart to do that, even then). She deferred her admission until the band broke up and did quite well in Westwood, well enough to get admitted to Harvard Law School. When she was a 1L one of her study partners was a thin black guy with big ears and funny name. Wonder what happened to him?

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    July 5, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    @PurpleGirl

    and the Rockaways

    Exception is East Rockaway (originally Near Rockaway), which is in Nassau County.

    /geography pedant

  39. 39.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    July 5, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @NotMax: Presume what you ordered was a sloe gin fizz?

    In Portland, Oregon? If that ain’t love, well, tell me what is…

  40. 40.

    divF

    July 5, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    @mdblanche:

    Germany’s third worst chancellor

    Who is second?

  41. 41.

    NotMax

    July 5, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    @Major Major Major Major

    IIRC, it was Esquire which dubbed the sidecar “the only good thing to come out of Prohibition.”

  42. 42.

    Bill Murray

    July 5, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    One of her bandmates in the Runaways, I’m too lazy to look up her name, had early admission to UCLA

    Cherie Curry, I think

  43. 43.

    PurpleGirl

    July 5, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    @NotMax: Thank you; learn something here at BJ all the time. (And I’ve been a Queens resident since I came home from a Manhattan hospital.)

  44. 44.

    mdblanche

    July 5, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    @divF: Joseph Goebbels. Admittedly that’s more of a lifetime career assessment. And between World War I, the Weimar Republic, and the first years of the Great Depression, unless this turns into another economic crash I doubt Merkel can even make the bottom ten.

  45. 45.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 5, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    @Corner Stone: Quoi?

  46. 46.

    srv

    July 5, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    Ted Cruz goes Reaganesque:

    “I salute Donald Trump for focusing on the need to address illegal immigration,” the Texas senator said on NBC’s Meet the Press in an interview that aired Sunday. “The Washington cartel doesn’t want to address that. The Washington cartel doesn’t believe we need to secure the borders. The Washington cartel supports amnesty and I think amnesty’s wrong, and I salute Donald Trump for focusing on it. He has a colorful way of speaking. It’s not the way I speak, but I’m not going to engage in the media’s game of throwing rocks and attacking other Republicans. I’m just not going to do it.”

  47. 47.

    mai naem mobile

    July 5, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    I’ve been watching Michelle Caruso.Cabrera AKA Maria Bartiromo Jr on CNBC on the Greek crisis. Early last week she was talking to a working 58 yr old man and he was all for retiring early and MCC blames the crisis on overeegulation.and young retirees etc. Ofcourse MCC and her NY anchor pals were just aghast that regular working people can retire in their 50s and they all just do their tut tutting about that and ofcourse they warn that Americans should work till 70. Ofcourse OMG rich people can’t pay more than 40% taxes( never mind that the effective rate is closer to 22%.) Later on the week they had MCC on again on how this was awful and how she saw all these elderly pensioners waiting at the ATMs and the video clip shows all.these old people. I’m just wondering what happened to all the ‘young’ retirees. Why weren’t they standing at the ATMs? None of the.anchors asked her that.

  48. 48.

    Hawes

    July 5, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    First you beat Germany, then you beat Japan.

    It’s a good plan. Worked before.

  49. 49.

    divF

    July 5, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    @mdblanche:
    It would have to be recognition of Goebbels’ other career achievements since he was chancellor for only one day.

  50. 50.

    opiejeanne

    July 5, 2015 at 11:53 pm

    @NotMax: yes. Forgot to tell you it was a sloe gin fizz. Duh. Part of the problem was that I think he heard “slow”.

  51. 51.

    opiejeanne

    July 5, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: in Pomona at the Pomona Mining Co.

  52. 52.

    mdblanche

    July 5, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    @srv: If Ted Cruz doesn’t like this country’s immigration policy, then he should go back where he came from.

  53. 53.

    JG

    July 6, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Mr Trump, a General LeMay on Line 2….

  54. 54.

    Kropadope

    July 6, 2015 at 12:04 am

    @srv:

    It’s not the way I speak, but I’m not going to engage in the media’s game of throwing rocks and attacking other Republicans

    Perhaps unintentional, but this could be the first acknowledgement by a (supposedly) mainstream public official that the media is Republican.

  55. 55.

    opiejeanne

    July 6, 2015 at 12:09 am

    @mdblanche: I wish we had a “like” button.

  56. 56.

    MobiusKlein

    July 6, 2015 at 12:41 am

    @PurpleGirl: There is a ‘Rockaway’ beach south of San Francisco, in the city of Pacifica as well.

  57. 57.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2015 at 12:46 am

    @MobiusKlein:But only one is referenced by the Ramones and, if Queens is mentioned in the conversation, it is the one in New York.

  58. 58.

    different-church-lady

    July 6, 2015 at 12:47 am

    I had Sepp Blatter once. But the doctor gave me penicillin and I got better.

  59. 59.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2015 at 12:50 am

    @different-church-lady: I understand that cranberry juice also helps.

  60. 60.

    grrljock

    July 6, 2015 at 12:55 am

    We watched the USA v Japan match at BC Place. Unbelievably awesome experience. The crowd was the most well behaved crowd I’ve ever been in. One of the best parts? The resounding boo the crowd gave to the FIFA reps!

  61. 61.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2015 at 12:58 am

    @grrljock: Lucky you.

  62. 62.

    JustRuss

    July 6, 2015 at 1:01 am

    @Kropadope:

    Perhaps unintentional, but this could be the first acknowledgement by a (supposedly) mainstream public official that the media is Republican.

    I don’t think so. I think Trump is complaining that the evil liberal media is tricking those poor Republicans into attacking each other. To which I would reply, if you’re stupid enough to get suckered by the ChuckTodds, you really shouldn’t be running for anything.

  63. 63.

    Librarian

    July 6, 2015 at 1:05 am

    @mdblanche: I though you meant Prince Max of Baden. I’m not even sure that Goebbels was officially chancellor.

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2015 at 1:07 am

    @Librarian:

    I’m not even sure that Goebbels was officially chancellor.

    I think that you are correct. It was an elected office. When did such an election take place?

  65. 65.

    different-church-lady

    July 6, 2015 at 1:18 am

    @Librarian: Chancellor for A Day!

  66. 66.

    mdblanche

    July 6, 2015 at 1:24 am

    @different-church-lady: I didn’t know Loretta Lynch is also a doctor.

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hitler named Goebbels as his successor before killing himself. Goebbels killed himself the next day. Chancellor only became an elected office at the start of the Weimar Republic and stopped being one until after the war once President Hindenburg started using his emergency powers.

  67. 67.

    Librarian

    July 6, 2015 at 1:26 am

    @different-church-lady: Yikes, I didn’t know that, thanks for that. Prince Max is still pretty high on the list of bad chancellors, along with von Schleicher, who handed the office to Hitler, and some of the Weimar chancellors, several of whom really sucked.

  68. 68.

    Omnes Omnibus

    July 6, 2015 at 1:29 am

    @mdblanche: Cite?

  69. 69.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    July 6, 2015 at 1:32 am

    @Librarian: Hell, no. Max of Baden was actually a good chancellor for all 37 days he had the office; made sure that Ludendorff didn’t backslide and decide to continue the war. He didn’t really favor liberalisation, but he did bring the majority parties into the government. No, Max is one of the best pre-1945 chancellors Germany had.

    Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, on the other hand, was a complete disaster. He’s the second worst by almost as large a margin ahead of #3 as he is behind #1.

  70. 70.

    mdblanche

    July 6, 2015 at 1:47 am

    @Librarian: You can debate whether von Schleicher or von Papen did more to help Hitler into office. They both had very dirty hands. And their predecessor Bruning also deserves blame for being the first to encourage Hindenburg to start governing by decree. He was an austerian who hated democracy, so he probably marks the lowest level Merkel risks sinking to.

  71. 71.

    mdblanche

    July 6, 2015 at 1:49 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Check out @different-church-lady‘s cite, and also this.

  72. 72.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    July 6, 2015 at 2:11 am

    @mdblanche: I have a hard time making any of the last three pre-Nazi chancellors individually anywhere close to as bad as von Bethmann-Hollweg. Brüning was in an ugly position that I don’t think was navigable by anyone. That doesn’t excuse him; he was definitely bad, but I he isn’t responsible for everything that followed.

    Von Papen was a fundamentally weak man who was mostly used as a tool by those around him. Again, that doesn’t excuse him, but it makes it difficult to see him as the worst of chancellors. Saying that he is gives the man more credit than he deserves.

    Von Schleicher is certainly a villainous presence in German history, but he did the vast majority of his damage before his brief stint as chancellor.

    Von Bethmann-Hollweg, though, has it all. He alienated pretty much everyone in the Reichstag. His duplicity after the assassination of Franz Ferdinand ensured that there was no peaceful resolution to the crisis. He pushed a Polish policy that was basically proto-Lebensraum. Since he had made sure that he had no political allies in the parties, he was easily marginalized by the OHL.

  73. 73.

    redshirt

    July 6, 2015 at 3:17 am

    I was shocked to learn that the name Prussia has no relation to the name Russia.

    You’d think they’d be related, being so close in spelling and in geography/history, but nope.

  74. 74.

    redshirt

    July 6, 2015 at 3:22 am

    And that Prussia = Germany.

    Wonder why they gave up the name?

  75. 75.

    Tommy

    July 6, 2015 at 3:24 am

    The world is fucked up. I went to my local bar late tonight. Two 22 year olds were being hit on by men old enough to be their dads and I might have stepped in. Their mom was with them and almost seemed to be pushing it. Total drunk. Just injection myself. That stopped.

    As the night ended there were five people in the bar other than me. one the bartender. Two of them drinking drinks I bought them hours ago.

    The bartender poured put shot after shot and never offers me one. I have not ordered a drink where I didn’t tip at least $1.50 if not more.

    I got a little aggressive and said, “hey WTF. Is this how you do business. I am not ordering cheap drinks. I tip well. I am standing here and you treat me like this.”

    She said they were test cases

    I then said you are an idiot and you miss my point. No more business for you.

    So that is how my late night went ……….

  76. 76.

    redshirt

    July 6, 2015 at 3:38 am

    @Tommy: You drove home drunk I assume.

  77. 77.

    redshirt

    July 6, 2015 at 3:40 am

    Also, the history of Germany is fairly strange and interesting. Did you know parts of Germany were actually parts of England back in the day?

  78. 78.

    Tommy

    July 6, 2015 at 3:43 am

    @redshirt: Nope. 2.5 blocks walk home. I got a DUI a few years ago. Not something I will ever, ever do again. Worse thing I might have ever done before.

  79. 79.

    Kathleen

    July 6, 2015 at 4:30 am

    @efgoldman: And. I. Can. See. You.
    Wish there were like buttons – I would bestow multiple updings for you and CS.

  80. 80.

    SRW1

    July 6, 2015 at 4:34 am

    @divF:

    Heinrich Aloysius Maria Elisabeth Brüning, chancellor from 1930 – 1932; also known as Austeritus I.

  81. 81.

    divF

    July 6, 2015 at 4:42 am

    @SRW1:

    Heinrich Aloysius Maria Elisabeth Brüning

    Looked him up on Wikipedia. Typical Austerian of the period, plus politically inept.

  82. 82.

    Brendan in Charlotte

    July 6, 2015 at 7:22 am

    @Corner Stone: #1 – no DOGSO red card for Johnston vs. US; #2 Correct call vs. England, just should not have been called in a 0-0 game during extended extra time.

  83. 83.

    Tyro

    July 6, 2015 at 8:40 am

    @redshirt: Prussia is named for the Prusa. Russia is named for the Rus.

  84. 84.

    chopper

    July 6, 2015 at 8:46 am

    @Bill Murray:

    it was jackie, right? the original bass player?

  85. 85.

    SFAW

    July 6, 2015 at 11:25 am

    @redshirt:

    You forgot Poland!

  86. 86.

    SFAW

    July 6, 2015 at 11:30 am

    @redshirt:

    “What a long, strange trip it’s been” was the working title of Jerry Garcia’s doctoral thesis on German history.

    “Rot und weiss, blaue Schuhe von Wildleder
    Ich bin Onkel Fritz, wie geht’s Ihnen
    ?”

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