Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

The press swings at every pitch, we don’t have to.

When I was faster i was always behind.

The low info voters probably won’t even notice or remember by their next lap around the goldfish bowl.

This fight is for everything.

The snowflake in chief appeared visibly frustrated when questioned by a reporter about egg prices.

President Musk and Trump are both poorly raised, coddled 8 year old boys.

So many bastards, so little time.

Narcissists are always shocked to discover other people have agency.

Too little, too late, ftfnyt. fuck all the way off.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

Every reporter and pundit should have to declare if they ever vacationed with a billionaire.

No one could have predicted…

Our messy unity will be our strength.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

the 10% who apparently lack object permanence

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

The arc of the moral universe does not bend itself. it is up to us to bend it.

Also, are you sure you want people to rate your comments?

Conservatism: there are people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.

This chaos was totally avoidable.

Mediocre white men think RFK Jr’s pathetic midlife crisis is inspirational. The bar is set so low for them, it’s subterranean.

Museums are not America’s attic for its racist shit.

Trump should be leading, not lying.

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  6. 6.

    Tommy

    CBS Sunday Morning had a report on the game and I loved they said US fans has literally invaded Vancouver. Taking over the streets in downtown, bars, and hotels. And boy you can hear and see it in the stands after that goal!!!!!!!!!

  9. 9.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Tommy:

    I haven’t followed all the games that

    YES YES YES!!!!

    closely, but Canada has been a great host country.

  11. 11.

    Tommy

    Even though Japan is down two early their ball control is a thing of beauty to watch.

  12. 12.

    burnspbesq

    This is why you watch shitloads of video in preparation for a big match. Somebody on the US staff saw something.

  14. 14.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Amir Khalid: I hope you’re right. I’m way too superstitious to take anything for granted, especially this early in the game.

  15. 15.

    Randinho

    @Tommy: That’s precisely why they need to be pinned back, The ball control is meaningless when you can’t bring it into attack.

    @burnspbesq: @burnspbesq: I honestly don’t remember such shambolic defending by the Japanese in earlier games.

  16. 16.

    Tommy

    @Amir Khalid: I ask because I don’t know but I can’t recall a top world team, male or female, breaking down on corner kicks like that and a total inability to clear the ball. Was Japan think we were going to try to use our height advantage for headers and they were really ready for the ball to me on the ground?

    And yes I realize only one was a corner kick, but the other goal was pretty close to one

  18. 18.

    Tommy

    @Randinho: Right. I am sure the US is fine if they want to dribble or pass around the ball on their half or at midfield. We’re up 2-0, eat clock if you want.

    Now 3-0. Wow!

  27. 27.

    HumboldtBlue

    I was ready to settle in an watch the U.S. bang away at the Japanese defense, but oh well, time to read a book I guess. I expected a win but not a repeat of Brazil.

  29. 29.

    Amir Khalid

    @Tommy:
    Like Randinho says, careless defending gave away the goals. You’re supposed to guard against all threats, not just the likeliest.

  31. 31.

    SiubhanDuinne

    4-0. In baseball, this is called “a laugher.”

    (Edited to correct egregious and misleading and totally inaccurate typo.)

  39. 39.

    Randinho

    From The Guardian:

    “19 min: This is stupid now. Really, really, really stupid. Japan are wandering around like zombies. But really, really friendly zombies that will help you achieve your life goals. Also, zombies with a really good national anthem. Lloyd, meanwhile, is making a case for the greatest ever World Cup final performance ever (man or woman). ”

    “What a goal! Kaihori is way out of her goal, and Lloyd roughly located in Wyoming, sees her off her line and shoots from inside her own half. Kaihori slips as she runs back and the ball sails into the set. Me oh my!”

    “Hope Solo looks visibly shocked as she is asked to touch the ball. It’s an easy one too, which she takes with ease. USA haven’t conceded two goals all tournament, they’d need to have a horrible game to do so in the next 75 minutes Make that three goals they need to concede! The ball deflects up on the edge of the area and Holiday thrashes a volley past Kaihori.”

  49. 49.

    FlyingToaster

    Why do I have the feeling that this is going to start looking like a (NFL) football score?

  57. 57.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    Is it just me, or are all the bounces going the way of the Americans? Though my suspicion is that it’s a case of making the bounces go your way.

  60. 60.

    MazeDancer

    @Richard mayhew: Oh, no! On every level. That your daughter needed urgent care. (May all go well). And you can’t enjoy Twitter overcome with US enjoying your sport.

  61. 61.

    Tommy

    @Arclite: Do you have a TV? I got rid of cable awhile back and got a $35 HDTV antenna and I am stunned how well it works so I can get network shows and some sports.

  65. 65.

    zzyzx

    My wife wanted to go for a walk at 3:15. I figured the game wouldn’t actually start until 4:10 or so, so I paused the DVR and went out. It was running by the time I got home (only 15 minute buffer) and I had missed the first goal. I almost missed the second. It was 4-1 by the time I got back to live. Insane.

  67. 67.

    Richard mayhew

    @Baud: either a sprained or broken wrist from a monkey bar that was slightly further away than she thought

  68. 68.

    Bill Murray

    Looks like the US had Rapinoe and Heath switch sides as heath was not doing a great job on defense in front of Krieger.

  71. 71.

    Amir Khalid

    Carli Lloyd’s third goal would be a contender for goal of the tournament at a Men’s World Cup.

  74. 74.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Highest-scoring Women’s WC final in history. I am, dog knows, no scholar of the game, but I can well believe it.

  75. 75.

    Baud

    @Richard mayhew:

    When you go to urgent care, are you like, “I’m Richard Mayhew from Balloon Juice. Let’s talk about what your going to do for me.”

  85. 85.

    Tommy

    @Arclite: Oh and mine connects via coaxial cable and not a HDMI cable so you don’t need a “new” TV. And each local channel (may vary in your area I guess) has a few others. In St. Louis they show a lot of 50s and 60s movies and sitcoms. I am not really into that, but if you are it would be pretty cool.

  86. 86.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @efgoldman:

    “End of the triage line for you, weirdo!”

    I get that even without mentioning Balloon Juice, I guess I’m just special that way.

  87. 87.

    Amir Khalid

    Second half under way. If the USA restore their four-goal cushion, I think there will be no way back into the match for Japan.

  89. 89.

    Poopyman

    Dead Dick Nixon demonstrates the depth of his futbol knowledge:

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@dick_nixon 2m2 minutes ago
    Someone ought to set up a charity soccer game, the American
    women vs. the men. I think the women would take it.

  90. 90.

    Elizabelle

    @Richard mayhew:

    Best to whipsmart daughter Mayhew. Hope she’s feeling fine soonest.

    Pity you are missing the game in real time, but you will enjoy it later.

  115. 115.

    Tommy

    @raven: Yeah we do. I get NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, and CW to problem. But I can’t get, not even a bad picture, either PBS station. That sucks.

    The service is so good for the channels I get I almost wonder why no station or a network of stations (like Disney or Viacom) isn’t trying to launch a service. But I guess with the Internet and limited service outside of major metro areas, they think they won’t be able to make money.

    But when people come over and we can watch network TV, and they know I don’t have cable, they are like how are you doing this. I point to a little black box in the corner.

  116. 116.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    Japan uses it’s last sub. U.S. still have all three. Finding someone that will actually play defense would be nice.

  117. 117.

    SiubhanDuinne

    Technical schmecknical. I commented in the excitement of the moment and wasn’t watching my language :-)

  120. 120.

    Amir Khalid

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
    USA have taken Rapinoe off and brought on O’Hara. So that’s two subs left for them. But yeah, they still have the advantage if this goes to extra time.

  121. 121.

    SRW1

    @Richard mayhew:

    Shit. My daughter managed to brake her arm that way when she was four. Of course also on a weekend. Had to take her to the A&E at the university hospital. They gave her ketamine before they reset the bone and she couldn’t stop giggleing. That was the weirdest experience I ever had in a hospital. Hopefully, it’s only a sprain for your daughter.

  125. 125.

    Amir Khalid

    I think the Guardian’s live-blogger has fallen in love with Carli Lloyd.

  132. 132.

    JPL

    @SRW1: One time we went for an x-ray and the doctor asked when he broke another bone.. WHAT.. Same kid broke his collar bone while at a mothers day. He looked so innocent they really didn’t watch him while climbing out of the crib. They insisted that I have him checked out. He was nine months old. After the radiologist looked at it, he said is this the child running around and climbing, and I said so is it broken, and he said, well I can’t tell you but the doctor will. As an adult, he really broke the same collar bone and now has titanium holding it in place.

  133. 133.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    Is Wambach really the right call here? I know you want to get her in, but does it help protect the lead?

    Since the first 15 minutes, I think Japan has been significantly the better team. Fortunately, the first 15 minutes count.

  135. 135.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    I suppose that with practice you can get some control of where a header goes, but a lot of those in the scrums look like the ball is just going in a random direction.

  138. 138.

    Amir Khalid

    Abby Wambach is on for Heath. Barring a highly improbable USA defensive collapse, I don’t see Japan making up three goals in three ten minutes.

  140. 140.

    JPL

    Gotta say, our football would be so much more exciting if they just kept the clock running.

  141. 141.

    Randinho

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: I think so. Good physical presence and great height advantage.

    Disagree on Japan being significantly better. Ball watching on the fifth goal was an AYSO level screw-up. A lot of sound and furu along with possession, but not a lot of chances.

  142. 142.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    Do office-type people have tomorrow off, or did they get Friday? Or neither?

  149. 149.

    Tommy

    How good must that feel to know you and your team are the best to the freaking world!

  152. 152.

    Elizabelle

    How not suspenseful.

    But decisive.

    Rather like the Greek vote.

    Good day all around.

  153. 153.

    CarolDuhart2

    I bet it was 80-20 on Friday for office closings. Long weekend, and if anybody had vacation time, they took it. So even in the 20, a lot of folks weren’t there anyway. And some folks took advantage of the Friday holiday and took off on vacation, so a lot of people won’t be back for a few days anyway.

    Did a little painting and finally got rid of an old bed, watched the parade on Saturday. Pretty quiet weekend, more inclined to rest and relax than do anything ambitious.

  155. 155.

    Poopyman

    @Elizabelle: Everything I read said the vote was going to be vewy vewy close. Did you look in on Fox to see if they were running around yelling “Unskew the polls!” ?

  159. 159.

    raven

    Our framers could only work 15 minutes Friday because of the rain and they don’t work tomorrow.

  162. 162.

    Tommy

    @CaseyL: Yeah I am not a huge fan either. I might piss off a few people here (but I doubt it), but with both international soccer and hockey I prefer the women to the men.

    They seem to be more team focused, ball/puck control valued, not one person taking on another, and more technical proficient.

    Both sports I don’t like the US professional leagues but watch the women play either on an international level, well if that was how the pros were I’d be a much bigger fan.

  163. 163.

    Randinho

    Unbelievable. The Globo-owned SporTV isn’t even showing the trophy presentation, yet they did for the Copa America last night. Sexist fucks.

  164. 164.

    Arclite

    What a weird game. It was like one of those Superbowl games where one team goes up 28 to 0 in the first quarter. I feel bad for the Japanese. It must have been soul crushing to give up that many goals so quickly.

  168. 168.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    @Tommy: A lot of college women’s teams (I know hockey, but it’s probably true of others) stream their games, so even in a place where there isn’t women’s hockey, you could certainly watch it.

  169. 169.

    ThresherK

    @SRW1: Maybe he has Dick Cheney’s travel agent. The one with intricate knowledge of extradition treaties.

  170. 170.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    Is it a surprise that Leroux disappeared as the tournament went on?

  171. 171.

    Tommy

    @Belafon: I wondered if that was her wife she went to in the stands right after the game.

    More of a freakout you think then Mia Hamm in a sports bra after a goal that you can see why more on the cover of any magazine or pubic swimming pool :)?

  172. 172.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Randinho:

    Thanks so much for putting up a thread — in fact, ALL the threads. I am as ignorant as they come, and my fandom is still pretty tribal rather than informed, but your posts and the comments of knowledgeable people here have made it easier to follow. By 2019 I should be some kind of expert!

  175. 175.

    JPL

    From Potus
    What a win for Team USA! Great game @CarliLloyd! Your country is so proud of all of you. Come visit the White House with the World Cup soon.

  178. 178.

    Tommy

    @SiubhanDuinne: Do you live in or near a major metro area? When I lived in DC I went to “friendlies” and DC United Games in RFK.

    I’ve been to a ton of sporting events of all kinds. But outside of LSU/Death Valley “under the lights” on a Saturday night nothing was even close to those games at RFK.

    Going to a few can help make you a fan :)!

  180. 180.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Tommy:

    I live in metro Atlanta.

    Edit: BTW (off topic) did you get my email a few weeks ago about my coming through southern Illinois this fall? Would love to organize a small Balloon Juice meetup in your area if possible.

  182. 182.

    Arclite

    Weirder still: what is up with all the models in little black dresses at the award ceremony?

  186. 186.

    Tommy

    @SiubhanDuinne: Maybe check the schedule. I’d think Atlanta must have a fairly diverse, Latino population, and those were most of the fans when Mexico came for a “friendly” or DC United games. The chants, songs they sang, flags, just the sheer joy was something to behold.

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Well at Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge, known as Death Valley, there sure are :).

  187. 187.

    Elizabelle

    @JPL: Stadium not emptied, but those standing on the field (minority of attendees) eventually got rousted. If the lightning had arrived on schedule, we could have had some injuries. People out in the rain a lonnng time after they were requested to evacuate.

    Typed up a longer response, but will hold it for whatever thread comes up next. (Open thread, please?)

    Great show. Well worth going to.

  189. 189.

    Elizabelle

    @Arclite: Little black dresses. Missing it.

    It’s Shark Week, peeps. Discovery Channel.

    Where the scariest thing is the narrator’s tone of voice.

    Mmmm. “Where the elusive megasharks lurk.”

  190. 190.

    Randinho

    @JPL: Well it did lead to the growth of women’s soccer in the NCAA, which is where Mia Hamm,Carli Lloyd and pretty much every women’s player honed their skills at a competitive level.

    Beats the hell out of searching the Bundesliga for players with US servicemen fathers.

  192. 192.

    Tommy

    @Elizabelle: Oh I got HBO on for tonight. Sharks are a top five, if not higher, animal for me in the grand scheme of things. Cats of all kinds 1. Bears 2. Never watched Shark Week. The shows I have watched on the Discovery Channel that are about sharks seemed to disrespect sharks.

  193. 193.

    JPL

    @Elizabelle: I’m glad that you had fun. I had seen a blurb on the network news that they had to empty the stadium during the Foo Fighters concert and thought of you.

    We need you because you watch Fox so we don’t have to.

  195. 195.

    Richard mayhew

    @MazeDancer: nothing too bad, a broken wrist that will need a cast for 4 weeks, if it was me, I would have a cast for three months…

  198. 198.

    SiubhanDuinne

    @Richard mayhew:

    How is she feeling? As long as she’s out of pain and has a nifty cast that her friends can Write Things On, she’ll wear it as a badge of honour.

    In the meantime, since you didn’t get to watch the game, we’ll all try to avoid spoilers for you ;-)

  201. 201.

    Tommy

    @Richard mayhew: I hope she heals fast and well and isn’t in pain. But kids and broken bones happen. In a strange twist of faith I have done things and taken falls. Off second story rooftops. Out of trees. Skateboards. Playing sports. Where I should have broken so many bones and just my collar bone a couple years ago, in my 40s, when I got clipped by a car on my mountain bike. Mom always said it was because I’d always drink as much milk as there was in the fridge and I was very, very lucky.

  202. 202.

    Poopyman

    @Richard mayhew: Different attempt, but same result when I was 10 (Memorial Day 1964). Also four weeks in a fat plaster cast. Mostly I remember the itching. I hope casts have improved since then.

  203. 203.

    Elizabelle

    @Redshift: Great that you were there! I was surprised how many people showed up for the second half of the show.

    We will have to do dueling reviews! Waiting to see if we get an open thread, otherwise will put up my answer to JPL re the show.

  205. 205.

    Jeffro

    @JPL: Saw FF live last night, complete w/ Dave Grohl on his crazy-a$$ “throne”, as they brought the house down at RFK…and now this, tonight, live in Clarendon w/ 150 other USWNT/sports fanatics…what a weekend! Off to Rehoboth for a much deserved rest!!

  207. 207.

    Elizabelle

    @JPL: For you! A Foo Fighters recap, as it were.

    It was fab! And they only emptied the actual field, in front of the stage. And that, rather slowly. Had the “extreme lightning” showed, we would have had some crispy critters. Not sure, but it seemed like a 90 minute rain delay.

    Lots of protected seating. My friend and I were dry, with great sightline and relatively near the beer vendor, so quite happy.

    Best concert for the buck ever. Tightly scheduled. Grohl mentioned he’d like to do more of these July 4th shows. Would be a great concept for him. He just did “Sonic Highways” series on HBO, highlighting influential music cities around the US (Seattle, NYC, Chicago, Memphis, Austin, New Orleans, Nashville, etc.), and just picking some established artists or up and comers from those cities would fill out a concert schedule nicely.

    Plus, July 4th at RFK would be a great tradition to resume (a la festivals by the late great and much missed local alternative station, WHFS).

    Highlights for me:

    ** Never followed Joan Jett much, but got to say, “Cherry Bomb” is a great arena song.

    ** Three words: Gary Clark Jr. Out of Austin, TX. Reminds me of Jimi Hendrix. See him when you get a chance.

    ** Missed Heart’s first 2-3 songs (ladies restroom lines — ugh!); they opened with Crazy on You and then kind of put the audience to sleep with power ballads; better close with Barracuda but still ….

    ** LL Cool J followed, and brought the energy. Good antidote to Heart, and first artist to use the big screens to advantage. Played “Going Back to Cali.” LL Cool J is beloved by DC, apparently. Audience perked up. They knew his lyrics (I don’t, except for Cali.) Would go see him again.

    ** Buddy Guy rules. He shared the stage with some 16-year old virtuoso teenager, but Mr. Guy is the master. Played less notes, but decisive ones. I would have showed for just the Foos and Buddy Guy. Rest was pure icing.

    ** Foos played a long set. Got a kick out of Dave Grohl maneuvering around in his motorized and illuminated Foo throne (due to broken leg). He showed the Youtube video of him falling off the stage in Gothenburg, Sweden, about 3 times in a row. Even confined to the throne, he was very active. Might not be the best person to sit next to on a plane if he’s caffeinated.

    Recognized Pat Smear (who toured on guitar with Nirvana), but before last night could not have named another Foo beyond Grohl. The drummer is Taylor Hawkins. Grohl described him as answering the ad for a drummer, being a Freddy Mercury soundalike and looks like a surfer. Yup. Lot of presence. James Gang tee shirt.

    Opened with Everlong; that surprised me.

    I loved the huge stage curtain with “FF” on it, rustling in the breeze. How cool to grow up in the DC burbs and not even guess that was in your future.

    ** Not a fan of RFK stadium restroom lines! We may have a woman president before we achieve potty parity. Memo to RFK: you will sell more beer and bevs to girls if they’re assured they won’t spend 20 minutes+ in a restroom line!

    ** Saw not a single Confederate flag tee shirt. Someone had thoughtfully plastered George Preston Marshall’s statue outside the entrance with a “racist” bumpersticker though.

    The Foos sold a ton of their tee shirts. People sporting them all over the place. Second most observed tee: Rolling Stones regalia.

    ** We sat next to two fans from Philly. They are seeing the Foos Monday night, in Camden (Foos play two nonsequential shows there).

    ** Long rain delay, somewhere between 60-90 mins. (Did not time it.) Show ended with fireworks — a terrific display, but missed it as split for the Metro to avoid the crowds. Fireworks and a beautiful low melon-colored moon out.

    ** Watch out. There’s a band called “Little Boots” coming to the U Street Music Hall on July 25th.

  208. 208.

    different-church-lady

    @Baud:

    When you go to urgent care, are you like, “I’m Richard Mayhew from Balloon Juice. Let’s talk about what your going to do for me and I’d like to explain how offsides works in World Cup football…”

  209. 209.

    JPL

    @Elizabelle: Definitely more fun than watching The Capitol Fourth….
    Baud mentioned Barry Manilow’s bad botox treatment and that was an understatement.

  210. 210.

    Elizabelle

    @JPL:

    Also: this link allegedly has some fan video from last night. Haven’t checked it out, but you will see the Foo throne. Grohl’s roadies are way more talented than Spinal Tap’s.

    Still don’t know the Foos’ lead guitarist’s name (bad of me), but he’s amazing.

    Foos ran some footage from the Sonic Highways films before they took the stage. Was great to see Muddy Waters, and so many other forbears.

  211. 211.

    Tommy

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Yeah. Nobody is sure where the nickname came from exactly. Some think it from a gas station back in the 40s called “Deaf Valley.” Built in 1924 it only held about 24,000. Expanded the original stadium to now hold 102,000. Do some Google searches, not making it up.

  212. 212.

    Elizabelle

    @JPL: Ahhh. That’s sad.

    Last Capitol Fourth I attended, few years back, we had Stevie Wonder playing “Master Blaster” not long before the NSO began their signature 1812 Overture.

  213. 213.

    Jeffro

    @Elizabelle:

    Best concert for the buck ever. Tightly scheduled.

    Part of that was due to the excellent, why-didn’t-someone-think-of-this-before “turntable” stage w/ backdrop, so that the upcoming band could get loaded up on the backside while the frontside band was playing. Genius!

    He also talked about being down on the National Mall during the Beach Boys’ shows in the 80s and I think he might see this as a new DC tradition. All. FOR. THAT!!

  214. 214.

    Amir Khalid

    @Elizabelle:
    The Foo Fighters lead guitarist’s name is Dave Grohl. The other guitarist is Pat Smear, who used to be second guitar in Nirvana’s touring lineup.

  215. 215.

    MazeDancer

    @Richard mayhew: So glad your daughter will heal soon- ish. Four weeks will not move her to school time to get out of homework with a broken wrist/can’t write or type theory. But probably not how she wanted to spend summer vacation. May all mend nicely.

  217. 217.

    Tommy

    @Elizabelle:

    Not a fan of RFK stadium restroom lines! We may have a woman president before we achieve potty parity. Memo to RFK: you will sell more beer and bevs to girls if they’re assured they won’t spend 20 minutes+ in a restroom line!

    Not sure you want parity. I had season tickets to the Redskins in the 90s. We pissed into troughs like you’d feed cattle from, in a circle of 12-15 people. Often the urine would run to half an inch deep.

    That place needs to be burned to the ground. But the Park Service owns the land and seems to think they won’t let Dan Synder build a new stadium for the Washington football team, or lease the land, if he won’t change the name.

    I’d like the land to be used like Wolf Trap is, the only National Park dedicated to performing arts, and develop a stadium for concerts. International sporting events. Stuff like that.

  218. 218.

    JPL

    @MazeDancer: When my son was in second grade, he had a cast on his right arm but still could do an okay job with his left. Then…. while playing hide and seek with a friend caught his left hand in the hinge part of a door. It was a bloody mess… Long story short after stitches and a Jimmy Kimmel type of wrap up, I sent a note to school saying I didn’t think he should have gym. Needless to say the gym teacher called me and said, good call. Actually that’s not what she said but since this is a family blog, that will do.

  220. 220.

    Kerry Reid

    Are women’s soccer fans turning over cop cars and setting shit on fire? Because if they’re not I question their loyalty.

  221. 221.

    Jeffro

    @Amir Khalid: Um no, the lead guitarist in FF is Chris Shiflett – Smear was in there early, was kicked out, and then re-joined as a rhythm guitarist in the past few years.

    That whole band is LOADS of talent on their instruments!

  223. 223.

    Jeffro

    @Elizabelle: So true on Grohl’s playing – I’ve heard that he and Taylor Hawkins often take a song or two in FF concerts to switch guitars/drums and compliment each other. Guess the cast (and THRONE!) make that a little too complicated for a while this summer!

    Did hear a random complaint on the Metro that while FF are great, Grohl’s singing range leaves something to be desired. I was like, “He has a range?”

  224. 224.

    Elizabelle

    @Jeffro: Yeah. The music changes more than Grohl’s vocals.

    I wonder if the Foos get less respect than they deserve since Dave G was with such an iconic band before (the beloved and missed Nirvana). The second act has achieved a big catalogue without a lot of people noticing.

    They seem to be plenty respected in Europe.

    Had you ever seen the Foos in concert before? I had not. Seemed to be crowd consensus too.

  225. 225.

    Bill Murray

    @Tommy:

    More of a freakout you think then Mia Hamm in a sports bra after a goal that you can see why more on the cover of any magazine or pubic swimming pool :)?

    do you mean Brandi Chastain at the 1999 World Cup in Pasadena?

  226. 226.

    Jeffro

    @Elizabelle:

    I wonder if the Foos get less respect than they deserve since Dave G was with such an iconic band before (the beloved and missed Nirvana).

    I’m sure you’re right on that for many folks. They may well always be dismissed as Grohl’s (the drummer! that’s not serious music!!) side project by some. I think there are probably a couple other angles for the critics, too: 1) “are they punk or are they rock?”, with cred arguments either way 2) why are their albums so uneven?, 3) their fan reception has outweighed the musical criticism from the start, which (imho) ramps up the musical criticism, 4) their great videos and Grohl interviews/quotes have also made a decent splash from time to time, which again might keep the critics from jumping onto the bandwagon lest they seem fanboy/girl-ish.

    Other than that I got nothin’…=)

    I think folks would do well to just about leave the Nirvana-Grohl connection behind…sure, it gave him a leg up in the biz, but it’s so far in the past and really had little to do with what FF does/has done musically, it’s almost irrelevant.

    And no, I hadn’t seen the Foos in concert before. I think they must be surprised at that crowd reaction – “what have we been doing wrong??” Um, how about just touring arenas nationwide every other year instead of playing tiny clubs and big-a$$ festivals?

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