The idiots who wrote that WaPo piece the other day calling Amy Schumer a racist and likening her standup to Donald Trump and linking her comedy routines to Dylan Roof has… never seen Amy Schumer’s standup or show:
The Interrobang; Have you ever watched Amy’s television show… in preparation for the article?
Stacey Patton: Nope. Not at all.
The Interrobang: Her stand up set[s]? have you ever watched any of them?
Stacey Patton: Nope. None of them.
But wait, it gets better:
Context was a theme that she’d return to again and again throughout our conversation.
Like maybe the context of having seen the jokes and witnessed them as part of her show or performance?
What can you say about the Washington Post that hasn’t already been said, by the way. Just awful.
(h/t)
schrodinger's cat
Slow News Friday?
John Cole
This is where Cacti can apologize, the moron. Knowing this knucklehead, s/he’ll double down.
Eric Nny
@schrodinger’s cat: How so?
(Context sarcasm)
KG
@John Cole: apologize? that’s not how the internet works.
JPL
Judge Lisa Gorcyca might consider sending the Tsimhoni, to camp instead of keeping them in juvie. She had a hearing today and the children are of course, doing fine. It appears that the father returned to Israel, so wasn’t available but would be okay with camp.
The father has a PR firm handling most of his comments, which is what the wealthy do.
She is getting some pretty bad press, so hopefully, she is forced to step aside.
BGinCHI
I’m wondering whether the WaPo has a rule that anyone who opines about anything has to swear that they don’t know anything about the subject.
It’s the new Objective Journalism.
JPL
Another update…Judge Lisa Gorcyca ordered that the kids be released from Children Village and sent to Camp Tamarack in West Bloomfield.
LesGS
Gee, John, it’s like you think someone has to actually know something about a topic before they can have an expert opinion about it.
BGinCHI
Can we have a thread where we all comment as if we were Donald Trump?
If we did I bet it would not be a loser or weak or fail to disclose who is doing all the raping.
Note: Just Some Fuckhead, you can comment normally.
trollhattan
@BGinCHI:
One thing’s for sure, Newsmax for whatever reason is paying to fling the Donald’s mug all over this site at present. He’s sporting WeaselTop 1.0, so it must be an old pic.
Villago Delenda Est
Stacy Patton would have, I’m sure, been outraged at Jonathan Swift when he published “A Modest Proposal”.
Typical WaPo journamalist. Utterly incompetent at anything but eating tiger shrimp and cocktail weenies, and giving blowjobs to corporate parasites.
cokane
Stacey Patton is all over that comment thread haha
Roger Moore
@BGinCHI:
Please, no.
RP
But is there a context to her joke about Mexicans and rape? I like Amy Schumer, but I think that joke was flat out racist. comedians are often too quick to fall back on the “I’m making a joke about racism” defense, and most of the time it’s a crock of s**t. If Rush Limbaugh made the joke we’d flip; why does she get a pass?
BGinCHI
@Roger Moore: You’re fired.
Benw
@BGinCHI: it would be yooge, and classy.
Anne Laurie
To be fair to the WaPo, the “PostEverything” section where these young nitwits came out to play is the paper’s “throw a bunch of stuff from ‘social media’ up against the click-wall, see what sticks” experiment.
As with any collection of writerings pulled off the tubes, there will be great info from experts, interspersed with a lot of look-at-me froth. Like an old-fashioned print op-ed page, multiplied.
Alex
Cacti is a deadbeat idiot whom I’m awfully surprised anyone deigns to respond to.
BGinCHI
@Anne Laurie: Sorry but you lost me at “To be fair to the WaPo…”
I’m out of cheeks to turn to those scalawags.
Botsplainer
Old cat is at vet – he’s been more and more addled lately. He disappeared for a couple of days, and when I left today he was hiding under Mrs Botsplainers jeep. She said when he came out he was addled and lurching, so she took him to the vet.
The vet said he’s got a urinary blockage caused by either a mass or infection, a heart murmur, a thyroid problem and would need blood workups. He’s 16, mostly blind and more than a little senile. As I’m the household agent of pet payment and the pet Angel of Doom every time to date, I was comfortable with It Must Be Done. Plus, she hates that cat, never wanted him to get near her and anguishes over any money spent on pets.
Surprises happen. She said she’d pay the thousand plus, wanted to do the thing, felt bad. And now that she just came home, she yelled at me for not going by the vet to see the cat, which she just did on her way home. He’s on IVs and heavy sedation; plus he hates going to the vet.
Did I mention how she’s always scorned this cat?
I. CANNOT. WIN.
Omnes Omnibus
@Roger Moore: It would be yuuge and very classy.
Omnes Omnibus
@Benw: Bastard.
cokane
@Alex: The important thing though, is that Cacti is morally superior to all of us.
BGinCHI
@Omnes Omnibus: Late comment. Also fired.
JPL
@Botsplainer: Not with animals. Everyone bonds in different ways.
Villago Delenda Est
@cokane: And further making a total ass of herself.
schrodinger's cat
I have had it with my friend, who is very Broderian, and keeps insisting how both sides are terrible, I finally broke my silence on this issue and told her why I don’t agree with her and gave her the reasons why. I have no idea how she is going to take it.
BGinCHI
@Villago Delenda Est: Consensus is that Cacti is a prick.
What?
What?
schrodinger's cat
Is Trump his real name? sounds fake.
schrodinger's cat
@BGinCHI: Prick or prickly?
John Cole
@BGinCHI: Love it. Trying to make tomorrow #TWEETLIKETRUMPDAY
Cacti
@Alex:
Untrue.
I’m current in all of my financial obligations.
EriktheRed
@cokane:
Not exactly covering herself in glory, either.
BGinCHI
@John Cole: I’m off the list!!
I’m afraid if I tweet like Trump my friends will just think I’m hung over. Or that my 3-year-old has my log in code.
kc
In Patton’s defense, she saw some pics on social media, so . . .
jl
@BGinCHI:
‘ Can we have a thread where we all comment as if we were Donald Trump? ‘
But that’s what we strive for here in the BJ comments, isn’t it? You classless loser.
kc
@JPL:
I’ve read a couple of articles and I still don’t get how the judge could send the CHILDREN to detention..
Amir Khalid
Those idiots knew enough to make a case, didn’t they? I mean, they spelled her name right and everything!
/snark
By the way, there are two Ns in Dylann Roof’s given name.
Zattarra
@JPL: Children’s Village is not Juvie. It’s where Oakland County Michigan sends kids when the judge or DPS decide they need to be pulled from the home and they don’t have a foster care facility set up. The social workers and councillors their are probably very surprised this week to find out that they apparently work in a prison. These kids could just as easily been pulled from their home and placed with a foster family like me. But mom went screaming to the media and spun this. Most parents who get there kids taken aren’t rich enough or white enough to do this.
BGinCHI
@jl: I wasn’t sure because I was too busy being rich and getting distracted by broads throwing themselves literally at me.
kc
@John Cole:
It’ll be very nice, very luxurious.
Be fun imagining all the comments read in Trump’s voice.
Cervantes
@John Cole:
That’s rich!
Tree With Water
I know nothing about Amy Schumer (or 90% of today’s entertainers). But I did watch an episode of Family Guy just last night, in which a busload of schoolchildren that drowned in a river had posted their deaths online, like those poor kids did in Korea a few years ago. It was in such excruciatingly poor taste that I couldn’t stop laughing for a full ten minutes… belly laughs, too.
kc
@Zattarra:
Mom may be a horrible person, but the judge’s comments to the children just seemed completely inexcusable.
Roger Moore
@BGinCHI:
Not if you append a #TweetLikeTrump hashtag.
kc
@cokane:
She went Godwin in her first comment: If those historical examples aren’t good enough then consider this . . . when the Nazis were marching millions of Jews to the gas chambers, their killers were making racist jokes and caricatures about them, too.
Actually I think that first comment of hers is longer than the original WaPo article.
jibeaux
@Zattarra: I read what the judge said, and why she removed them from the home (contempt of court. For not eating with their dad.) That’s not spin, that’s a woman fundamentally unsuited for her job on some kind of insane power trip.
kc
@Anne Laurie:
Kind of interesting: The WaPo deputy editor quoted says Patton “pitched” the piece, but Patton claims the WaPo approached her to write it.
JPL
@Zattarra: One of the tv stations said there are 200 children there, who committed a crime.
What made me question what is going on, is the father has a PR firm saying how wonderful of a dad he is. He lives in Israel. He might be a great dad, and a great person but he has little contact with the children.
MomSense
@John Cole:
It’s gonna be the greatest day of tweeting God ever created! #TweetLikeTrump
jibeaux
@kc: yes. Not to mention, you don’t get turn over custody of kids to an institution because they didn’t want to hang with their dad. I don’t understand her jurisdiction to do that, and if it exists, her judgment. How is she supposed to make it as a family court judge if this is what a simple case of divorced parents who don’t like each other brings out in her?
JPL
@jibeaux: The father is suppose to have supervised visits and has to turn over his passport. I do think that he is setting up a situation, where he goes for custody.
trollhattan
@MomSense:
“I own the Tweets; the Tweets LOVE me; I’m YOOGE with the Tweets!” #TweetLikeTrump
Villago Delenda Est
@kc: That is indeed interesting.
Roger Moore
@JPL:
Given that his kids are accusing him of beating up their mom, I am have trouble believing that he’s a great dad or a great person.
Villago Delenda Est
@jibeaux: I wonder if Dad here promised some campaign contributions in unstated quid pro quo consideration?
JPL
@Roger Moore: The Judge needs to be removed. Just by saying your father is a great person, shows some bias. How does she know that? You have three children who are now going to research Charles Manson. How sick is that.
MomSense
@trollhattan:
I will build a better twitter, and I’ll build it for cheaper, and Mexico will pay for it! #TweetLikeTrump
Villago Delenda Est
I wonder if the mother “poisoned the kids against” the father by serving as a punching bag for the father?
The judge seems to be going out of her way to view these things from the father’s perspective. To the point of disbelieving and admonishing the children for taking sides against their father just because he allegedly slapped their mom around.
Botsplainer
The Michigan kids case is problematic. I’ve been doing family law for over 26 years now, and this looks to be as ugly a case of parental alienation as can be imagined. It appears that there’s been a shitload of manipulation on mom’s part and an attitude that she’s reinforced in the kids of not having to respect court orders. From my professional view, sometimes a judge has no choice but to issue an order like that and to make commentary like that from the bench, if she wants to get the attention of genuine problem litigants.
Yes, it is VERY harsh. Most wouldn’t bother taking the heat, but she appears to expect that her orders be followed.
JPL
@Villago Delenda Est: The children are suppose to be good students. Wouldn’t you assume, that they would have teachers testify. Is the children really had issues, wouldn’t you have others testify?
JPL
@Botsplainer: The dad’s going after custody, I think.
Botsplainer
@JPL:
They can be good students and be totally manipulated against their father. Seen it before.
kindness
Holy shit did you see Dr. Patten’s comments in the comments section? She might have a Doctorate but she is totally clueless.
She’s standing in a giant hole and uses a backhoe to make it deeper.
On the other hand, remembering the piece when it ran here last week I do recall there were many who agreed with the ‘good’ Dr.
Botsplainer
@JPL:
Oh, absolutely. And the ex is serving it up to him on a platter.
What tells me volumes is her number of lawyers and what the current one is saying.
jibeaux
@Villago Delenda Est: she sounds like he gave her her first orgasm
trollhattan
@JPL:
It’s a stretch to extend the spouse’s behavior to the judge, but I wonder whether the two might be the proverbial legal peas in a pod?
Villago Delenda Est
@kindness: It’s interesting that she admonishes the commenters making fun of her education, when she opened the door and rang the bell by insisting on calling herself “Dr Stacy Patten” in the thread.
Clues, she is in desperate need of them.
jibeaux
@Botsplainer: well, she got some attention, all right.
I don’t do family law, but I know a great family law judge. I don’t really think she would consider it in bounds to compare someone’s family to the Mansons.
trollhattan
@MomSense:
“My new Twitter will be more classy, and have more, better character limits because China and Mexico will kick in an extra five, each, because they all OWE ME!” #TweetLikeTrump
FortGeek
Make Balloon Juice Great Again!
Build that wall!
#postlikeTrump
Baud
I like Cacti.
ETA: #TweetLikeTrump
ETA2: ;-)
WaterGirl
@JPL: But the kids still aren’t allowed to talk to each other, even if they are all in line for dinner at camp, right? Not a serious question, but this judge should not be allowed to remain on the bench, no matter what she does not that the light is shining on her.
WaterGirl
@BGinCHI:
Good one!
Anne Laurie
Speaking of Trump…
WaterGirl
@BGinCHI: Three years old??? Not possible!
Baud
@Anne Laurie: That’s today. Has it happened?
kc
@Botsplainer:
Obviously I don’t know squat about family law, but if this is a custody case between dueling parents, why would the KIDS be subject to being sent to detention for violating court orders? The kids aren’t even parties to the case, are they? Isn’t there a due process issue here? Why is the mother not being jailed, if she’s the one “poisoning” the kids?
Clearly there’s a lot I just don’t understand about this . . .
JPL
@WaterGirl: That’s not a problem because the judge said they tap their shoes to communicate. Even in front of their dad. Those kids are really smart.
@Botsplainer: I have two questions. Since he resides in Israel, what were the chances that he’d get physical custody?
Do you know who keeps putting the dispute back in court?
BGinCHI
@WaterGirl: 3.5!!
He’s like a little person. Cute as a button, swears like a sailor.
kc
@Botsplainer:
I’m prepared to believe the worst about both parents here, as apparently both of them were so unwilling to compromise that they’d let their kids be split up and sent to a detention facility.
JPL
@BGinCHI: My second son said some words very clearly at eight months.
We were at the doctor’s and the doctor dropped his stethoscope and my son said Shit. The doctor picked up his stethoscope, looked at the baby and shook his head. I was mute.
BGinCHI
@JPL: Xavi’s best one was this winter, driving to daycare. Car in front of me just sits at the green light. Instead of my usual frustrated swearing I just say “come onnnn” and then the car goes.
From the back seat, clear as day, I hear, “douchebag.”
JPL
@kc: hah.. Look at my questions to bot at 79. I think the mom did manipulate the children but I also think she was set up. Someone needs to have her receive counseling, quickly and work to have the father visit. This judge is going to award the dad custody because he’s a great person.
JPL
@BGinCHI: Wow.. Really advanced for that age.
Uncle Ebeneezer
The best thing I’ve seen on this topic (can’t remember where) was where a PoC tweeted or blogged something along the lines of “We are tired of having some of the worst aspects of our lived experience used as punchlines in jokes by White people.” I don’t see why this sentiment is so controversial or hard for people to understand. There is something unseemly about a person of high privilege repeating painful stereotypes of minorities for laughs. Even when they mean well, are being ironic or doing so as a character, and are doing so to make an anti-___ist point. That still rubs some people the wrong way. And that makes complete sense to me. If my lived experience was to hear stereotypes about myself based on my race/sex etc., every damn day (stereotypes perpetuated by the dominant White majority) I think I would be pretty irritated at seeing members of that dominant majority throwing around such stereotypes, even for the best of intentions. And especially when it would just be the N+1th example of White people getting to be the deciders as to where and when it’s appropriate for them to use terms that do no harm to themselves.
I am a White male so I can’t relate from any direct experience. But just doing a simple thought-experiment: yeah I can see why people are offended by Schumer’s jokes. Especially given the fact that a non-trivial amount of listeners are not going to even get the point that she is trying to make and are just going to laugh at the racist content and use her performance to justify future use of stereotypes when couched sincerely/or disingenuously in good intentions and protected by the context of it being just comedy. I’ve known quite a few White people who loved that Chris Rock skit on Black People vs. N-words.
Different people have different tolerance for edgy humor based on their experience. I probably can laugh a lot more at sexist humor than my wife can. I can imagine a well-meaning male comedian playing a sexist character and throwing down lots of sexist stereotypes to make his point and me finding it funny but my wife finding it not amusing or even offensive, because she hears and deals with it every day. My ability to laugh would be part of my male privilege, one that she doesn’t have the luxury of enjoying. If she wanted to criticize the routine I certainly wouldn’t demand that she go listen to the full hourlong comedy special. I would just accept her point of view as a valid, remember that maybe (definitely) she has a better understanding of sexism than I ever will. If a comedian wanted to make a point about ableism by playing a character who shouts “retard” over and over, I don’t think parents of disabled children would be out of line to criticize that choice and maybe ask the comedian to find another way to make their point without repeating the offensive content. Part of being an ally to other oppressed groups is listening to their criticisms and accepting them in good faith. Handwaving them away, insulting their intelligence, whining about PC oppression or magically invoking Lenny Bruce all seem like pretty crappy ways to respond. Schumer seems like a really intelligent person. I’d like to believe she could come up with better ways of making her points. She’s managed to do so on other touchy subjects like rape and sexism.
As to the fact that Patton only listened to clips and read accounts from others, I have to agree with her. You don’t have to read Liberal Fascism from cover to cover to be able to have a valid opinion of an excerpt (or the book as a whole.) I’m reasonably sure that having watched the clips of Schumer’s performance was fully aware that Schumer was supposed to be parodying an ignorant White girl who is unaware of her racism. It was pretty clear from the clips. I think she had more than enough context to write the article that she did.
John Revolta
@kc: Yeah, this. There’s nothing to say that BOTH parents can’t be assholes.
What’s more, a good divorce/ custody battle can make an asshole out of even nice normal folks. And this one’s been dragging on for years.
fordpowers
that article pissed me off too
Amy Schumer is hilarious.
You can’t hang with it – like.. get off planet earth.
BAI Felicia.
Suzanne
I like Cacti a lot.
I also like Amy Schumer a lot. I think she’s made a few jokes that were offensive/racist. That doesn’t invalidate the rest of her comedy.
Felonius Monk
@BGinCHI:
Do we have to wear a dead animal (or reasonable facsimile thereof) on our head while commenting?
SatanicPanic
@Uncle Ebeneezer: yeah, that’s my point. Sure, some people find it funny. Some people don’t. We don’t have to jump on people for not agreeing that something is funny. The WaPo story was stupid and over the top, but it doesn’t mean there isn’t a valid discussion to be had.
Turgidson
@BGinCHI:
That would certainly explain George Will’s columns on global warming…and, baseball…and, infrastructure spending. Hell, it’s probably faster to make a list of things George F.’ing Will does have knowledge of.
BGinCHI
@Felonius Monk: I’m pro-choice.
Marc
People who haven’t watched something have no goddamn right to write opinion pieces on it. It’s beyond lazy; at least if you’re commenting on a chain email from your cranky uncle you can admit that it doesn’t rise to the level of opinion piece.
If we’re only allowed to hear jokes that don’t bother anyone (and no one gets to pretend that they speak for everyone who looks like them) – the only jokes remaining will be terminally bland ones.
Turgidson
@Tree With Water:
Family Guy? Poor taste? Unpossible!
MaryRC
@Uncle Ebeneezer: Patton said in the interview that she has never seen videos of Schumer, only photos. So she hasn’t see any clips.
Aqualad08
@Uncle Ebeneezer: She HAS come up with better ways. The “offensive” material is all pre-“Inside.” And no, you can’t keep harping on “context” if YOU TOTALLY IGNORE CONTEXT. The word “context” has become practically meaningless thanks to hacks like Patton.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Botsplainer:
I think a lot of people are ignoring the fact that the father is trying to force the kids to move back to Israel with him in a separate court case.
Given the ages of the kids, that may be enough to alienate them from their father right there. How many kids between 9 and 15 do you know who are completely willing to let their parents pack them up and move them to a foreign country where the kids may not even speak the language?
Steve
OK, really bad that she didn’t watch Schumer’s show or a set before attacking her in the WP piece.
But what’s really inexcusable is that she has never seen the show or one of the Comedy Central sets. That’s just out of touch. Schumer’s the hottest comedian today. How can this person comment on any aspect of pop cuture.
Another Holocene Human
@BGinCHI: I remember when NPR had a guy who didn’t know anything about Japanese culture or language, or even anime or Miyazaki films, do a review of Spirited Away. He interpreted the bath house as a brothel. Yep, what the actual fuck.
Another Holocene Human
Westerners who can’t speak Japanese should be barred from making comments about “those crazy Japanese”.
Now, if you’ve taught English for a year in Japan through an exchange program and you want to blog about weird aspects of life in Japan, go right ahead.
Another Holocene Human
@cokane: Now that’s sad.
Cervantes
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
Pull the other leg — it’s got bells on!
kc
@Steve:
She explains in the comments that she’s just not into “white humorists.”
ETA: In response, I believe, to a polite question asking her why she didn’t watch more of Schumer’s stuff.
Patton doesn’t come off well in her own defense, but some of the comments under that Interrobang article from people criticizing her are just gross and depressing. People are such assholes.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@MaryRC: She heard clips. Presumably the same ones that are on the embedded video in the article. Even just listening those, it’s pretty clear what the context was: Ignorant White girl’s take on race. I don’t know how watching an entire set or comedy special changes the context or the racism of her jokes.
JPL
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): Bot was right that she is playing into his hands. Unless she can change judges, the children will be on the way to Israel.
When they were first divorced, it was unlikely that he’d get physical custody but she keeps getting called back to court for not following custody directives.
Cervantes
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
Wait — did someone here do that? I missed it!
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@kc:
As far as I can tell from the several stories I’ve read, the basis of the conflict is that the father wanted to move back to Israel and the mother did not. (They are both Israeli immigrants.) One story said they did move back there as a family, and then the mother returned to the US a few months later with the kids, and that’s when it got ugly.
I honestly don’t know how you resolve a case when the parents disagree about what country the kids should be raised in. You’d think that the two older ones would be allowed to state a preference, but apparently not, at least according to this judge. IMO, it’s not as simple as “parental alienation” when the alienated parent is the one who wants to move you to a foreign country.
kc
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
She says in the comments that she heard clips, but to me she doesn’t have much credibility at this point.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@SatanicPanic: Yeah, I think she went a bit off the rails with the Dylan Roof connection and she is mistaken to say that Schumer holds racist views (she just expressed racist sentiments in her material, which is still worthy of criticism), but I think she makes valid points on the underlying racism of the material and the way that comedy can help perpetuate stereotypes. And I don’t think her merely listening to clips rather than watching video in full negates her overall critique of the material.
kc
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
I had read that the whole family moved to Israel bc dad took a job there, and then the mom came back to the US, and now dad has moved back here as well.
I’m getting the impression that not agreeing on where to live is just one of many issues these two parents have.
Found the article. I remembered incorrectly; apparently the mother never did move back to Israel. Anyway, it does seem like they have plenty of other problems.
Cacti
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
Don’t bother.
The paternalistic white liberals of Balloon-Juice know that the black lady with the PhD is dumb, and the white comedian lady’s heart is pure, because reasons.
JPL
@kc: The father works in Israel. After the children were placed in juvie, he returned to Israel and planned on coming back on Sept. 8th. He was not at the emergency hearing today, but his lawyers made it sound like, he wanted the children in camp and that juvie was a mistake.
also.. I don’t think he has a home in the states. That’s why he has supervised visits and they take his passport
MomSense
@trollhattan:
Some of the candidates they didn’t know how the twitter works. They tweeted like dogs. How are they going to beat ISIS? #TweetLikeTrump
JPL
@Cacti: That’s just bullshit. I didn’t like her humor but I would not write an opinion piece unless I saw her entire show.
SatanicPanic
@Another Holocene Human: if anything, because it takes years and some solid speaking skills to understand what’s really different about Japan. Half of the things people are making jokes about aren’t real things- like “oh this TV show is so weird” like, duh, that’s because it’s a joke.
kc
@Another Holocene Human:
Do you know Japanese?
Aqualad08
@Cacti:
Hacks of a feather… :)
BTW, do you buy your straw by the bale or grow it yourself?
Cacti
@Aqualad08:
I know right? What would an American black woman know about racism that a white guy from West Virginia doesn’t.
SatanicPanic
@Uncle Ebeneezer: exactly. I saw that joke about Mexicans being rapists and I thought- that’s not funny in any context.
MaryRC
@Uncle Ebeneezer: Yes, after reading her remarks in the comments, I see that she said there that she had seen clips. Which seems odd, since she was so emphatic in the interview about never having seen Schumer other than in photos.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@kc:
It may be in this thread or in the other, but there were some reports that the father wants to raise the kids in a much more Orthodox Jewish way than the mother does. Religious conflicts over the kids always lead to divorce nastiness.
The Detroit Free Press had an interesting quote in one of their stories from the judge who is hearing the father’s case saying the kids should be returned to Israel, and he basically said he thought BOTH parents were lying to him to get their way. Those poor kids.
SatanicPanic
man, and everyone asking for people not amused to get over it… why don’t YOU get over it. Lead by example.
kc
@JPL:
Okay, thanks. I was having trouble keeping track of what I’d read.
Cacti
@SatanicPanic:
“Get over it” is the clarion call of every priveleged group when addressing those on the receiving end.
Hell, why not just tell Dr. Patton to “stop playing the race card”.
JPL
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): The attorney for the father, who lives in Israel, says she plans to file a motion seeking to transfer custody of the 3 kids to the dad.
There is no way he could have gotten custody of the children to move them back to Israel initially, but now after bringing the mother to court, numerous times, he probably will.
Aqualad08
@Cacti:
That’s like asking who knows more about “Moby Dick”: the person who read the book or the whaler that didn’t…
kc
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
Now I really feel sorry for the kids.
Cervantes
@JPL:
Just on principle?
Or are you referring to a specific show in which something specific that people are objecting to is justified, or explained, or mitigated, or rendered funny, by other things she said in the same show?
WaterGirl
@BGinCHI: Time flies!
Maybe you’ve heard me tell the story of going shoe shopping with my niece Jenny when she was 4? In the span of our visit at the shoe store, she used various forms of the word “fuck” 4 times, and each one conjugated correctly for the situation.
I can’t recall all 4 of them, but her repertoire included “Oh, fuck!” “My fucking zipper is stuck.”
I was laughing hysterically; my sister, not so much. I seem to recall a little chat between my sister and her husband at the dinner table that night. No more swearing in front of the kids!
PS. How about photos? The last photo I saw must have been 2 or 3 years ago? Very cute but very small.
Cervantes
@Aqualad08:
Racism is like a book you can read and understand?
JPL
@Cervantes: The author of the opinion piece said she had never seen Amy.
Truth be known, I would never watch her, either but I wouldn’t write a review on her comedy.
Marc
Because, clearly, if a single member of a group is offended by something, all members of that group are offended. Is that what’s passing for logic here?
If you don’t like something, feel free to complain. Don’t be surprised when other people see you as someone sticking their noses in the air and yelling THAT’S NOT FUNNY at the slightest provocation. Y’know, Dean Wormer wasn’t intended to be a role model.
Felonius Monk
In other news, Donald Trump PINATAs are selling big — stuffed with garbage instead of candy. Isn’t this fun?
Cervantes
@Cacti:
You’re saying that hasn’t yet happened?
Cervantes
@Marc:
Not logic but straw of the finest quality.
kc
@Cervantes:
Not if you’ve read some of the comments here.
WaterGirl
@BGinCHI:
I snorted when I read that. Always so attractive.
Cervantes
@JPL:
In other words, it’s not that you think some of her critics are missing her point by not having watched an entire hour or two of her routines?
Just curious about how you see it, that’s all.
Cervantes
@kc:
Can’t say I’ve read them all, no — so if you saw some that said:
feel free to point them out. (And thanks.)
Aqualad08
@Cervantes:
No, but metaphor is a concept one can understand through study and observation. You should try them sometime. :)
HumboldtBlue
@Zattarra: Fuck you, those kids were berated by a piece of shit judge who has as much business on the bench of my fucking cat does. Stop pretending the entire transcript of that cunt’s odious and abusive behavior isn’t available and stop trying to defend a right-wing shitbag who has the common sense and the judicial sense of a fucking klansman.
Notice how daddy flew his tired ass back to Israel instead of fighting for his kids? But it’s the mom’s fault, yeah it’s the mom’s fault that the dad is good friends with the fuckwhistle who imprisoned his kids for being akin to the Manson gang.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@Cervantes: In the earlier thread someone did. My mistake. Too many tabs open
Marc
@Another Holocene Human: And this is exactly the same as writing an opinion piece attacking a comedy piece without watching it because of …what, precisely?
Cervantes
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
Well, I’m really sorry to have missed it!
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@JPL:
Like I said, I would not be surprised if at least some of the “alienation” is the children’s reluctance to move to Israel, so I don’t see a decision like that working out well for anyone. Sure, the dad will “win,” but only an asshole would be more interested in “winning” than in where his children actually want to live.
JPL
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): Well he is an asshole because he allowed his children to be placed in juvie and then returned home.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@JPL:
Also, too, it depends on state law, but most states won’t force a 16 year old to live somewhere s/he doesn’t want to live. It sounds like there’s a good chance that at least one of those kids would actually choose to live at that center until they’re 18 than move out of the country.
That’s the problem with ultimatums — sometimes the person will choose the option that doesn’t include you. And that’s their choice.
Applejinx
Amy is quite gloriously tasteless and she does racist humor the way Mel Brooks did it: making herself be the butt of the joke, the clearly worthless classless bigot. Half her act is savage self-deprecation, that’s how she gets away with it: you’re supposed to be laughing AT her shenanigans, and if she makes you uncomfortable all the better.
I will never forget the routine where a troupe of lovely starlets go out in a boat to celebrate one of their number’s last fuckable day. Oh my God, so sharp and vicious. It happens earlier and earlier. Bruce Willis got engaged to a girl who’s an actual baby lamb. (they all coo over the picture of the baby lamb: so cute!)
Heck, here you go: youtube.com/watch?v=XPpsI8mWKmg
Amy is awesome, but you definitely have to be prepared for how brave she is. Also note the difference: with feminist humor like that the jokes are all pointed at the male world that controls these women, but if she’s making racist jokes she’s wearing another persona and the jokes are pointed at the role she’s wearing. She can be almost Andy Kaufman-like that way. No shrinking violet, that one.
Cervantes
@Aqualad08:
I think I’ll say goodnight right here — before you’re reduced to invoking rubber and glue and the like.
cokane
@Uncle Ebeneezer: Pretty half-witted argument. Yes, Patton did need at least watch one standup special or one full episode of Schumer’s show. No one is saying she needed to consume the comedian’s entire body of work. But one episode? Is that too much to ask? It just reeks of an incredible laziness, not to mention a grandiose narcissism.
Aqualad08
@Cervantes:
Well, at least I know you’re not an anti-vaxxer…quite the inoculation you served up there…
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Cervantes:
Since a lot of spoken humor comes across in the delivery, perhaps her Dr. Patton should have at a minimum watched the few minutes she based her critique on rather than just reading about it. It didn’t have to be the full hour, but at least watch the specific routine you were criticizing.
J R in WV
in the unbelievable custody case, the father’s lawyer appears to be a close friend of the Judge. In many cases that would make no difference, as judges have a judicial temperament and can set aside personal friendships. I live in a small rural county, and I am sure the single solitary judge knows all the lawyers (4? 5?) in the county.
He’s been a judge for a long time and I believe he knows how to set those friendships aside when making decisions.
This case, on the other hand. Her husband has worked to convict people he knows are not guilty, for sex crimes! He then went on to defame those former defendants after he was no longer their prosecutor, and got socked with a judgment. Quite a story there. Teacher who was never in the presence of the victim alone – hard to see how that person could be sexually abusing the victim, huh?
She worked in that prosecutor’s office before becoming a judge…
Uncle Ebeneezer
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): How much more of the set does someone need to endure before they can reach a conclusion about any Andrew Dice Clay limerick? (not gonna link: I assume people remember) How much more of Eddie Murphy’s “Raw” is needed to ascertain whether or not 5 minutes of faggot jokes was homophobic? Sometimes a short clip is all you need. I have yet to see anyone point to additional material and show how it changes the problematic nature of the material by Schumer that is being criticized. Indeed, I can’t even imagine what such material would look like that could work such magic. Concerns over journalistic practices of Patton are just a distraction.
Tehanu
@BGinCHI:
When my son was about 2-1/2, my husband was driving down the street one day and had to slam on the brake for some idiot coming out of a driveway. From the back seat my son said, “Daddy, hit the dammit and honk at him!”
Aqualad08
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
Yes, a distraction from the enormous stick up your righteous ass… :)
So, what comedians do you find funny?
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
How about watching the actual 30-second clip rather than just reading about it?
I’m not saying that you, personally, can’t make a decision based on what other people wrote about Schumer, but I do expect the people writing in national newspapers about her to actually see at least some portion of her work before publishing opinions about that work. It’s sloppy journalism, to say the least.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Uncle Ebeneezer:
And, again, Dr. Patton is the one saying she didn’t bother to watch a single clip of Schumer before writing an article saying that Schumer is equally as guilty of murder as Dylann Roof. And you really don’t have a problem with that?
cokane
@Uncle Ebeneezer: You’re avoiding a proper characterization of what has happened. As a viewer you are free to judge whatever by any fractional amount of viewing you like.
However, to write an essay in a newspaper, about one singular comedian, yes, I’m sorry, you are required to do — at the bare minimum — a half hour of original research on your subject. I fail to see why you are defending laziness from a self-styled academic authority on racism.
cokane
The great irony to me is that Patton clearly has the free time to troll internet comment threads … as she did here, but apparently not enough free time to watch ONE episode on the subject she wrote about.
Zinsky
Amy Schumer is an incredibly sexy woman. Brains and humor are a very potent aphrodisiac!
Ramalama
The New Yorker once published a review of a dance by Bill T Jones – Still Here – based on AIDS and death – even though the reviewer outright stated that she didn’t see the performance. Why? She wanted no part in ‘victim art’. And yet she wrote a review anyway.
Here’s a link to this Guardian article that talks a bit about it…or am I a hypocrite for not linking directly to the review itself…hm.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
There’s a big difference between lampooning something to comic effect and actually saying it as though you seriously believe it. That’s the difference between Schumer and Trump. Satire is apparently something that escapes people at the Post, but then they think Dana Milbank in a smoking jacket is hilarious so they’re obviously developmentally delayed when it comes to comedy.
Nikta
The review by Ms. Croce (a highly respected Dance critic) stated that she refused to review the show as there was no vocabulary to review it given the highly personal nature of the event. She felt it would be a review of the disease and those who suffered from it, which one cannot do. It was an interested look at the highly personal that in 2015 now seems highly quaint. We Instagram our lives – the performance would not bat an eyelash now.
My issue with Patton is that she isn’t a cultural critic. And she has been vile and vapid in that way only academics can be. It was a badly written article.
Sherparick
@BGinCHI: Well, Marc Thiessen is an expert on torturing people, or at least defending rhetorically those that do.
Sherparick
As Brad Delong writes, the Post (and the Times) are 90% fishwrap/bird cage bottom cover with the exeption of the folks at “Plum Line’ and “Wonk Blog” at WaPo and Krugman and the Upshot folks at the Times.
Ramalama
@Nikta: She never fucking saw the show. Then she wrote a review, I mean temper tantrum, about why she didn’t want to see the show, wahh.