Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

Quote tweet friends, screenshot enemies.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

The choice is between normal and crazy.

T R E 4 5 O N

You are so fucked. Still, I wish you the best of luck.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Donald Jessica Trump found guilty as fuck – May 30, 2024!

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

One lie, alone, tears the fabric of reality.

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

At some point, the ability to learn is a factor of character, not IQ.

Never forget that he train is barreling down on Trump, even as he dances on the tracks.

The republican speaker is a slippery little devil.

This blog will pay for itself.

American History and Black History can not be separated.

I have other things to bitch about but those will have to wait.

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

When do the post office & the dmv weigh in on the wuhan virus?

It’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

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  1. 1.

    mike in dc

    If Lessig could force Hillary to pledge to veto any copyright extensions, it’d be worth it. #PublicDomainMatters

  5. 5.

    scav

    Actually, the time lines on these stompings have gotten incredibly convoluted. Haven’t checked the mirror yet.

  6. 6.

    Tree With Water

    If this country does go to hell in a hand basket, one day a presidential candidate will turn to his opponent and proudly say, “I knew Donald Trump, and you, sir, are no Donald Trump”.

  9. 9.

    PhoenixRising

    I’m home!! at last. My kid & I were separated for all but 3 days in July, plus the last week of June, due to my mom’s health crisis.

    Good news is, mom came through the surgery for her pancreatic cancer DX, she’s home and she kicked me out because she doesn’t need someone hovering over her. The way she expressed this was: I don’t know how long the rest of my life is going to be, but I certainly don’t intend to have you girls telling me what to eat the whole time!

    Bad news, the surgery was complete and done perfectly and…the pathology upstaged the diagnosis, because the cancer train had already left the station before the surgery was booked or needed.

    So I live in New Mexico with my family; my mom and sister live in Ohio; in the coming 24 months (let’s be optimistic) something is going to have to give.

    I am really fortunate to be able to choose which 70 hours a week I hustle to be able to bill 25 to my clients.

  10. 10.

    srv

    Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump said Tuesday that his Democratic rival Bernie Sanders “showed such weakness” when he allowed two Black Lives Matter activists to seize his microphone and disrupt his speech over the weekend.

    “I thought that was disgusting. That showed such weakness, the way he was taken away by two young women,” Trump said during a press conference in Michigan. “That will never happen with me. I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself, or if other people will, but that was a disgrace.”

    When a man is opposed by the media, the right, and the left… then it is clear what the answer is.

    How do you people not see what everyone else does?

  11. 11.

    MazeDancer

    Just saw Alicia Garza, one of the founders of Black Lives Matter, on Chris Hayes show. Very good looking, albeit pierced, very calm, centered, clearly smart, strategic, calculated, with powerful, highly self-confident energy. Pretty much like all popular radicals who attract followers on an energetic level. Though, historically, those figures have not usually been women.

    She was the opposite of the screaming interruptus folks who have been doing the “shut it down” on Bernie. She called intrusive tactics as “American as apple pie”. Citing Code Pink and Act Up.

    She said they have a “push” planned for every candidate. Including Trump.

  15. 15.

    Belafon

    You know, the two link maximum really screws with embedding tweets.

    Could some frontpager please unmoderate me?

  16. 16.

    dmsilev

    Have you no shame, @GovernorPerry?

    I’m pretty sure a sense of shame is a disqualifying factor for the GOP primaries.

  18. 18.

    PeakVT

    That will never happen with me. I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself, or if other people will, but that was a disgrace.

    You know, Donald. The little people would do your fighting.

    But maybe you’re not man enough to say that?

  19. 19.

    Ruckus

    I posted this in the Outside Thugs thread below, as that’s pretty much dead I’m reposting here.

    I spend a productive day at work and come back to find that BJ’s toilet has backed up and over flowed. People, we have a much bigger enemy than each other. Focus here. If you are butthurt, rub some lotion on and think about what’s important. And move the fuck on.

  25. 25.

    Jeffro

    You know, this really has to burn Perry and Santorum…all that hustling, all that waiting-in-the-wings from 2012 (especially after that milquetoast, Romneycare, Romney guy had his chance and blew it), and here they are relegated to the Kids’ Table Debate…going nowhere.

    If Foster Friess wasn’t propping up Santorum, both Rick and Rick could commiserate about their troubles on a commercial flight back to Nowheresville together, popping pain pills/abortion-doctor-killing-fantasies and thinking up endless ways to hold back & otherwise harm folks in this country. “Why not me??!?” – and they’ll just never know the answer to that question.

    Karma, baby.

  27. 27.

    Schlemazel

    @srv:
    What everyone with a brain sees is that for the GOP it is all a dick measuring contest. Their current problem is that the biggest dick in the race is too YOOOOOGGGE for them to handle. Sadly we need a President with a working brain more than one who is a big dick.

  28. 28.

    RaflW

    @srv:

    How do you people not see what everyone else does?

    Like virtually everyone else, I see that you are an obtuse a-hole. And not very good at trolling to boot.

  29. 29.

    Roger Moore

    Maybe the tendency of some voters to fall for charlatans is a sign that they’re stupid, but stupid people are allowed to vote. As long as there is a large group of voters who will fall for con men, there will be a con men’s party.

  30. 30.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    President Nixon unimpressed with Bush-spawn

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 38m38 minutes ago
    .@ JebBush It doesn’t look good.
    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 36m36 minutes ago
    Consider if his name was “Jeb Smith.” With how long he’s been out of office, the press would ask him to shine their shoes.

    O’Donnell was starting a conversation about Bush’s speech, but I couldn’t watch. It’s hard enough to watch the absurd bullshit about how “we had it won” with the “Surge”, after only four years, but then Obama undid our great victory, four years later. That’s hard enough, but O’D had Tim Pawlenty on, who was smirking before he even started talking. I can see wanting to bring a conservative voice on, but a fucking smarmy apparatchik like Pawlenty? Why? what’s his foreign policy expertise?

  35. 35.

    Jeffro

    Some of these guys can afford to wait around, but on the GOP side, sooner or later, someone is going to have to go at Trump and go at him hard. Perry (soon to be out) has tried, Paul (not taken seriously) has tried. We know it won’t be Cruz, and Carson & Huckabee probably see no need to damage their grifting opportunities.

    Christie and Jindal are on the bubble in terms of having no significant GOP sugar daddy that I know of while also running more serious (i.e., expense-incurring) campaigns. Perhaps they’ll be next to try and draw some attention by kneecapping The Donald? I wish them luck as to all observers, they are both youuuuge losers (empirically, in their home states of course.)

  37. 37.

    Gin & Tonic

    @PhoenixRising: I wish you and your mom the best, as that is never a good diagnosis. If anything needs saying or doing, don’t wait. Time will pass quickly.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Guessing it was much the same circumstance as the one the lead character in Night Court explained when asked how he could ever possibly have been appointed a judge.

    (Paraphrasing from dim memory) “I was the first one who was at home when they called.”

  41. 41.

    Botsplainer

    @Baud:

    It’s almost as good as one of those naked lesbian wrestling videos I hear are on the Internet.

    Not that I’ve ever seen such things.

  47. 47.

    Redshift

    @RaflW:

    Conclusive evidence that the smart glasses did not pay off.

    Didn’t pay off in electoral terms, but we have no way of judging whether they worked for making him seem smarter, because there no connection between intelligence and success in GOP primaries. Of course, someone who was actually smart instead of trying to seem smart surely would have realized that.

  48. 48.

    Kropadope

    @Redshift:

    because there no connection between intelligence and success in GOP primaries.

    Wrong. I’m not sure the exact term, but I’m going with inverse correlation.

  51. 51.

    RepubAnon

    I’d feel much better if we didn’t have a historical precedent for someone dismissed as a buffoon rising to high office through the efforts of fanatical right-wingers…

  52. 52.

    David Koch

    [In Iowa] Hillary Clinton leads 7 of her Republican opponents while trailing 4 of them, but in none of the cases are the margins larger than 4 points.

    The strongest Republican against Clinton in the state is Ben Carson, who leads her 44/40. The other three GOP hopefuls ahead of Clinton all lead her by just a single point- Mike Huckabee at 44/43, Scott Walker at 44/43, and Marco Rubio at 43/42.

    The Republicans who fare the worst against Clinton are Jeb Bush who trails by 4 at 44/40, and Rand Paul and Donald Trump who each trail by 3 at 43/40. The rest of the GOP hopefuls each trail Clinton by 2 points- Ted Cruz at 44/42, Carly Fiorina at 42/40, and Chris Christie and John Kasich each at 41/39.

    PPP is a good outfit. But I don’t know. Can Hillary really be only 3 pts ahead of a Goldwater-like disaster like Trump in Iowa? If so, she’s toast.

    Party may drag Elizabeth Warren to save us after all.

  54. 54.

    David Koch

    Serious question: Who’s Larry Lessig?

    I get that he’s a intellectual property expert, but.. so what? Geeks have starbursts when they talk about this guy. As if he’s Taylor Swift..

  56. 56.

    MBunge

    In what way is Trump a charlatan? How is he pretending to be something he’s not? I doubt Trump puts a lot of thought into what he says but I don’t see any sign he’s saying things he doesn’t believe. If anything, his success is because he makes the rest of the GOP field look like charlatans who throw out boob bait for the bubbas they don’t really mean.

    Mike

  57. 57.

    Heliopause

    That will never happen with me. I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself, or if other people will, but that was a disgrace.

    What would be a lot more interesting is if a couple of fully bedecked Oath Keepers took over a GOP candidate event in the same manner as have BLM protesters. That would be interesting.

  60. 60.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    @David Koch: He started a PAC – MayDay.US – a few years ago to fight against Citizens United-type issues. I gave him some money to help get it off the ground. He turned me off when his very first donations to candidates included a Republican.

    He seems to be in the process of jumping the shark.

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  61. 61.

    Benw

    @Ruckus: Sanders, Clinton, and O’Malley all seem to be working with BLM to move forward, each in their own way. Honestly, watching the D candidates run real campaigns about real issues is a staggering contrast with the shitshow R primary. It’s absurd at this point how invested this country is in not noticing the difference. But none of that is as important as me picking a fight with some fucker in the BJ comments whom I don’t think is ideologically pure enough!

    SANDERS/CLINTON 2016

  64. 64.

    lamh36

    On my mind before going to bed…

    Currently I’m working a 930 to 6pm shift. I like getting up later but I admit I hate getting off late. I am seriously thinking about asking my boss about changing my work schedule, maybe 730 to 4pm or even 7am.

    I was trying to decide how i want to approach my boss about it, but gonna shoot an email first so that I can have a record of discussing the subject with him (he tends to forget things do sending an email at the very least ensures that he’ll read it and if he forgets you have a record this you broached a subject with him).

    Basically, what I want to say is “JW, I’m tired of working the evening overlap shift. I’d like to get a morning shift as soon as you have one available.”

    It’s doesn’t have to be instant, but I’d like to have the change by the time the time change occurs.

    Now I really don’t have any “bombshell” reason for wanting the change, I’m not going to school or picking up a 2nd job (although u have been seriously thinking about doing both those things) I’m really just tired of the extra work during the overlap and the inflexibility that comes with working well into evening hours.

    I admit I’m NOT a morning person but if I want to, I’ll get over it, I have in the past.

    Here is the email I’m planing to send to my boss tomorrow or late Thursday. I work the weekend so I’m off Friday, so if I send the email late Thursday, I don’t have to look at his possibly frustrated face until Monday ;-). Plus it may give him a chance to wrap his head around the fact that I want to change my schedule. Usually, I’m procrastinator, but when it comes to something like this, I’m of the “rip the bandaid” off the wound school of thought…i.e. just do it and get it over with. So maybe it’s best to send out the email tommorw

    JW,

    I’d like to schedule a sit down meeting with you at your earliest convenience to discuss me changing my work schedule in the near future.​

    Essentially, I’d like to discuss the prospect of changing my schedule from the current 9:30 to 6pm schedule to a regular “morning” shift scheduled work hours. i.e. 7-7:30am to 3:30-4pm.

  66. 66.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @MBunge:

    his success is because he makes the rest of the GOP field look like charlatans who throw out boob bait for the bubbas they don’t really mean.

    And makes the pundit class look clueless in their pontifications.

    He’s a fucking trickster god. Papa Legba for president.

  67. 67.

    Pie Happens (opiejeanne)

    @Ruckus: I read as much as I could stand of those threads, and then I went and took a nap. The arguing was not pretty.

  69. 69.

    workworkwork

    I managed to clear a lot of pending stuff out of my in-box today.
    – Finished my faculty orientation course (with 1.5 weeks to spare) so I’ll be able to start teaching in October.
    – Got my curriculum development work done and submitted. (We’re re-doing a couple of software dev. associates programs and I’ll probably get some course design work out of it.)
    – Submitted my paperwork to get out of jury duty. I would have preferred not to (it’s part of my job as citizen), but I’m the sole caregiver for my wife who is permanently disabled and I work from home.

    Now my next course writing project should be starting in the next week or so and I can get back to developing my MOOC for Udemy to see if I can pick up a few extra bucks as well as have another portfolio item for prospective clients.

  70. 70.

    BR

    @Heliopause:

    I think you just nailed it. Trump is, all said and done, a East Coast big city type. He’s not familiar with rural or Southern traditions any more than Kerry or Romney were. I wonder what’ll happen if the heavily armed militia types start pressuring Trump to show that he’s one of them.

  71. 71.

    danielx

    Since there does seem to be a fairish amount of pissing in the soup going on of late here at BJCentral, something a little nicer….

    Darling Be Home Soon, Tedeschi Trucks Band.

    A beautiful cover of a beautiful tune by John B. Sebastian/Loving Spoonful.

    Also too, Derek Trucks is a slide guitar god. Got to get my Allman Brothers fix somehow since they are on extended hiatus, so to speak.

  73. 73.

    RaflW

    @David Koch:

    But I don’t know. Can Hillary really be only 3 pts ahead of a Goldwater-like disaster like Trump in Iowa? If so, she’s toast.

    She is in a different campaign mode in Iowa than Klown17. The Iowa caucus is Feb 1, 2016. Chill, dude.

    Also what @Belafon said.

  74. 74.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    @PhoenixRising:

    2015 is certainly turning out to be a shit year, isn’t it? I’m sorry to hear that your family got caught up in the juggernaut as well.

    I hope your mother has good quality of life with you and yours for as long as possible.

  75. 75.

    ? Martin

    @David Koch:

    Serious question: Who’s Larry Lessig?

    I get that he’s a intellectual property expert, but.. so what? Geeks have starbursts when they talk about this guy. As if he’s Taylor Swift..

    If you’ve ever heard of a Creative Commons license, he created that. He’s also a reliable voice on campaign finance and net neutrality. In the tech community, he’s a bonafide good guy with the legal skills to actually get results.

    But I think we should get a bunch of people to launch single-issue campaigns with a promise to drop out once achieved. My platform would be to have Adobe Flash classified as a weapon of indiscriminate destruction and banned under the UN Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons.

    Pretty sure my wife would run to have gas powered leaf blowers classified under the same treaty.

  77. 77.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Stephen Colbert ‏@ StephenAtHome 17h17 hours ago
    .@ JebBush will be on #LSSC Sept. 8! My first GOP candidate! Luckily I do 200 shows a year, so I think I can fit them all.

    I just heard this. That is either some clanging brass balls, desperation, or clueless. Or some combination thereof. Was Jeb! out of town the night of that correspondents’ dinner?

  80. 80.

    NotMax

    @David Koch

    Attended college ages ago with someone of the same name, who was an ubergeek and as bland and averse to controversy straight arrow as they come.

    No idea if it is the same person, though, and possess no inclination to look it up.

  84. 84.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    so, this…

    ‏@ mlcalderone
    Wrote yesterday how Meet the Press allowed Trump on by phone last two weeks: … In person Sunday:

    …means Donald Trump will have been on Meet The Press three weeks in a row? I despised Russert, despise MTP and all it and its competitors stand for, but I doubt he would have done this.

  89. 89.

    Ruckus

    @Pie Happens (opiejeanne):
    I only got about half way through the first one, posted a positive response to someone, the bit I did above and left. I’ve skimmed a couple more and ended up here. If the next 15-16 months are going to be like this, I’m seriously thinking of becoming an expat, some place where I can live on my SS. Because this country is in some serious shit, what with half of it being overtly racist and willing to shoot itself in the genitals, just in case they might hit a POC there. The only hope is that if the repubs win, income inequality gets so bad that we start all being France in the late 1700s. But times have changed and while that seemed to work then (OK somewhat worked) I doubt it would be in any way successful today and far, far messier.
    So, we better get our shit together, and soon. We have at least a couple of good choices for the next president, maybe even three. But if we keep arguing over stupid crap 2 or 3 good choices could become a wonderful thing to look back upon fondly. Our country is at a crossroads. We can choose which road to take and work to make it better or not. Our choice. In the over all scope of things, I’m a short timer here, as many of the rest of you are. I’d like to leave it a better place, rather than take a big dump in the front room for the next guy to try to clean up.
    The two front runners on our side are no spring chickens but they both have a reasonable amount of experience in government and yes, both have drawbacks. Who the hell doesn’t? You, me? As was once said, pull your balls out of your back pockets and work for one or the other of these two. And if your guy doesn’t pass the primaries, focus every thing you’ve got one the winner. But the fight is with the other side, not with each other. Be a fucking team for fuck sakes.

  92. 92.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @BillinGlendaleCA: No. I am just making an observation.

    @Ruckus: If people on our side can fight the good fight over their preferred candidate and then get on board with the eventual winner, then now is the time to have the fights. Let’s find the best damned candidate out there and then beat the GOP to a bloody pulp. IOW, I am okay with the fights right now as long as people remember what we are fighting for.

  94. 94.

    trollhattan

    @lamh36:
    Note seems straight to the point and sincere. I’ll suggest adding a sweetener to give them a “WIIFM” such as, “I don’t feel I have my best energy on my current shift and think an earlier one might help me find my peak performance.”

    Or somesuch. Good luck!

  96. 96.

    Ruckus

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    IOW, I am okay with the fights right now as long as people remember what we are fighting for.
    Exactly. Work for your guy but not at the expense of your entire side. Big picture, long term. MBA’s work for the short term, tomorrow, this quarter. That ideal has fucked us royally. We shouldn’t adapt that for our politics, I mean look how well it hasn’t worked for everyone except the top 10-20%.

  98. 98.

    David Koch

    Welp, looks like Hillary is toast

    Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has rocketed past longtime front-runner Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, a stunning turn in a race once considered a lock for the former secretary of state, a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll shows.

    Sanders leads Clinton 44-37 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, the first time the heavily favored Clinton has trailed in the 2016 primary campaign, according to the poll of 442 Granite-Staters.

    Vice President Joe Biden got 9 percent support in the test primary match-up. The other announced Democrats in the race, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee and former Virginia Gov. Jim Webb, barely register at 1 percent or below.

    The live interview phone poll was conducted Aug. 7-10 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.7 percentage points.

  99. 99.

    mike in dc

    @randy khan:

    Sadly, I think you’re right on both fronts. Lessig isn’t focused on IP issues for this quixotic campaign, and Clinton is unlikely to want to rock the boat with the major media conglomerates who pretty much own the US Congress when it comes to their IP “rights”.

  100. 100.

    Origuy

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): I made the mistake of reading some of the comments. I think I saw nearly all of the Confederacy apologetics there.

    On that topic, I’m reading Eric Foner’s new book, Gateway to Freedom: The Hidden History of the Underground Railroad. He focuses on the branch of the Underground Railroad that went through New York, Philadelphia, and Boston. I’ve been to the Underground Railroad Museum in Cincinnati, which is mainly about the Ohio River Valley branch.

  101. 101.

    Donalbain

    @srv:

    “I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself, or if other people will”

    Sheesh, now he is just recycling his Vietnam policy!

  102. 102.

    Elie

    @PhoenixRising:

    I send you my very best for now and for is what is ahead. There is no “rule” book — you and your family and mom will make it up as you go along. There is always uncertainty. My mom was in hospice for her heart failure in her apartment for the last 4-5 months. My sister lives in town but I traveled to Chicago from WA state. I would stay for a couple of weeks or so at a time and stayed there the last month. Cousins, aunts and uncles, nephews, friends just came in and out all the time, staying with each other if from out of town. I slept on Mom’s livingroom hideabed sofa. Through the messiness of it all, I would not change one minute of time to be near her… it brings me a lot of comfort now a year and a half later. You and your family will do the right thing…..anything you do will be the right thing.

  103. 103.

    dww44

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Both O’Donnell and Matthews have moved the guest pundit tilt way right. If I didn’t know better, I would think that MSNBC wants the GOP to win in 2016. And, for that, I cannot forgive them. If they pull any more left leaning shows, well they’ve lost me and evenings with MSNBC and my puzzles have my source of relaxing for quite a few years. Yeah, I’m the sorta viewer they should be driving away.

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