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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2016 / Open Thread: Garbage Dump Post for A Garbage Candidate

Open Thread: Garbage Dump Post for A Garbage Candidate

by Anne Laurie|  August 16, 20154:09 pm| 89 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, JEB! = John Ellis Not-Bush 2016, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity, Republican Venality, Assholes, Republican Crime Syndicate - aka the Bush Admin.

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Jeb!: "Please, people, vote for someone else. For the love of god, anyone but me." http://t.co/dL4yZF5Dt8

— Teddy Brosevelt (@donachaidh) August 14, 2015

If only Jeb hadn't helped his brother win, he wouldn't be losing because of his brother. Is that irony or justice?

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) August 14, 2015

That moment when you wonder if Jeb Bush is doubling down on his Iraq rhetoric in an effort to mimic Donald Trump's political style.

— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) August 14, 2015

No, not That Guy. Donald Trump is the junk food candidate, sure. But JEB! is the political equivalent of a “casserole” concocted from a dozen tupperware containers of variously aging leftovers by a frugal-and-possibly-slightly-senile granny — anyone at the family reunion who doesn’t dump their portion into a napkin for later disposal as hazardous waste is liable to end up in the CDC statistics the following week.

Jeb: [walking up to every BLM protester, holding up an empty water glass & rattling it] Excuse me, do you work here? https://t.co/iApHvLRgtT

— Big Sexy Jeb! Lund (@Mobute) August 14, 2015

Huffington Post says that reports JEB! met with #BLM in Las Vegas was… “misleading”:

… Kevin Hooks, president and CEO of the Las Vegas Urban League, told HuffPost he set up the meeting at the Bush campaign’s behest. His organization focuses on providing job opportunities for low-income residents. Hooks said that while he respects Bush for reaching out, he would not characterize the people at the meeting as Black Lives Matter activists. “It’s a little disingenuous,” he said…

The private meeting was about fifteen minutes long, according to those who attended. Goynes-Brown told HuffPost that the meeting did not focus on the Black Lives Matter movement, although attendees did discuss criminal justice issues. Goynes-Brown said she strongly supports the movement, but would not call herself an activist.

Hooks said his organization brought up the Voting Rights Act and a black man, allegedly armed, who was shot in Ferguson recently. “There was as lot of non-response,” Hooks said…

FTFY: Jeb Bush *really* doesn't actually want to be President https://t.co/cFZyNZXKQz

— Teddy Brosevelt (@donachaidh) August 11, 2015

Reid Epstein, in the Wall Street Journal:

DES MOINES, Iowa—At 62 years old, Jeb Bush is still willing to test his fastball. While gripping a baseball at the Iowa State Fair, the former Florida governor announced a goal of 50 mph. As he whizzed the ball through a canyon of inflated prizes, the radar gun spoke the truth: 44 mph. He tried again: 47…

Jeb wins a $$$ bat pic.twitter.com/CPXyavyGXf

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) August 14, 2015

When you’re a Bush, it doesn’t matter whether you’ve met the goal, you can always claim the inflatable bat.

Whether Mr. Bush can bring the heat to his Republican presidential campaign is a nagging question that now hangs over his candidacy. In Iowa, recent polls show him lagging behind in the low single-digits; a CNN survey showed him at 4% support, good for seventh place…

“It doesn’t look good right now,” said Dennis Albaugh, a billionaire herbicide magnate regarded as Iowa’s wealthiest man and a Bush campaign donor who hosted a campaign event Thursday night in nearby Ankeny. “I think that he’s got to get on track. I think that you’ll see him get real aggressive later on.”…

Or at least have the proper paid operatives “get real aggressive” while JEB! deplores ‘tone’.

Will someone heed Jeb's cries for help and tell him he really doesn't have to do this? pic.twitter.com/cpDIOBBcHm

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) August 13, 2015

Jeb tells @hughhewitt its “be an honor” to have Odierno, petraeus, etc back in his admin

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) August 14, 2015

It's possible that the new Fantastic Four film got better reviews than Jeb Bush's speech on the Middle East. https://t.co/UboV9puiJY

— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) August 13, 2015

@dandrezner I read it as "Obama has the same foreign policy as me, so it must prove he's incompetent if it hasn't worked the way I prefer."

— Grant Gould (@nonnihil) August 13, 2015

Jeb: "I'll tell you, taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal."

— Reid J. Epstein (@reidepstein) August 13, 2015

DAVENPORT, Iowa — Asked what he'd do about Gitmo detainees, Jeb said "keep 'em there."

— Reid J. Epstein (@reidepstein) August 13, 2015

Jeb Bush so very, very badly does not want to be President. https://t.co/1ptnLx555L

— Teddy Brosevelt (@donachaidh) August 13, 2015

…David Kochel, an Iowa native serving as Mr. Bush’s early-state strategist, stressed that the campaign is building its organization and won’t be focused on its standing in polls here until after the winter holiday season.

Indeed, Mr. Bush’s operation, leveraging his financial advantage over the rest of the GOP field, showcased its organization here. He took his questions from the press before a phalanx of cameras alongside the state’s two GOP senators, Chuck Grassley and Joni Ernst. Both Iowans said the joint appearance didn’t amount to an endorsement, but couldn’t say when they would appear together with other GOP presidential contenders.

The Bush campaign’s money buys other perks. Other candidates traverse Iowa in SUVs or buses—except the front-runner Mr. Trump, who plans to arrive Saturday by helicopter. Mr. Bush flew a chartered plane between events Thursday in Davenport and suburban Des Moines.

Although he made it through four hours of greeting people at the state fair without any significant gaffe—no small feat at the setting where 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney uttered his infamous “corporations are people, too, my friend” remark—there are concerns about Mr. Bush’s performance on bigger stages. Chris McLinden, Mr. Bush’s campaign chairman for Dallas County, Iowa, said he appeared lackluster during the first GOP debate last week in Cleveland…

While clearly enjoying the interaction with people at the fair, Mr. Bush showed exasperation at the repeated questions about his family legacy, particularly in regard to the Iraq war. Asked by reporters how he can declare himself an “outsider” candidate given his father and brother were president, Mr. Bush exhaled deeply and replied, “Hey, I got that, I got the family thing.”…

This thing of ours, you might say.

"This is a kinda tough game for me to be playing" @jebbush on fact many advisors had ties to administrations of father and brother

— Kelly O'Donnell (@KellyO) August 14, 2015

You've got to wonder how those people who threw 100 million at Jeb feel about his hapless campaign style.

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) August 14, 2015

My God, Bush sold real estate in Florida. You know what they're like.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) August 13, 2015

"smile, governor. for the love of god smile. like a human." pic.twitter.com/DuXoMpMcF2

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) August 13, 2015

Although Mr. Bush declared himself “all in” for Iowa, political reality is that he needs only a respectable showing, not a victory, here. Zach Nunn, a state representative from suburban Des Moines who endorsed him in June, said it is more important that Mr. Bush keep such rivals as Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida from gaining momentum in Iowa than posting a strong finish himself…

I suspect Bar Bush, needlepoint enthusiast, had a motto framed over all her boys’ beds: Never mind about winning, just make sure the other guys lose.

Jeb Bush says ISIS is Obama and Hillary's fault, much in the same way 9/11 was LBJ's fault.

— Rocky Mountain Mike (@RockyMntnMike) August 12, 2015

.@JebBush has now mentioned the "Wikipedia leaks" twice in his remarks.

— Sean Sullivan (@WaPoSean) August 13, 2015

.@JebBush "my first reaction was, really? look, he's qualified. There's slot of disarray in Dem. Party.." Al Gore running?

— Kelly O'Donnell (@KellyO) August 14, 2015

Reminder: He beat your big brother in the popular vote, JEB!, and if not for your Florida vote-rigging and your daddy’s hand-picked SCOTUS members…

I'm sure Jeb believes his campaign can be on life support indefinitely.

— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) August 14, 2015

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  1. 1.

    Tree With Water

    August 16, 2015 at 4:18 pm

    Jeb’s! behavior with the BLM folks reminds me of Nixon’s 1971 midnight visit to anti-war protesters at the Lincoln Memorial. Think I’ll change my moniker to Old Dog On Porch.

  2. 2.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    Anne Laurie@top
    Thanks for front-paging my 15th August post. I really appreciate it.

  3. 3.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 16, 2015 at 4:19 pm

    The Hillary Clinton campaign just called, asking me to sign a card pledging to caucus for Hillary. I think I’m going to do it. I’ll vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, but I find I’m more attached than I realized to the idea of seeing a woman president before I die. As long as she’s a Democrat, I should not need to say.

  4. 4.

    Kay

    August 16, 2015 at 4:26 pm

    Hooks said his organization brought up the Voting Rights Act

    Great. They can get him on voter caging. There’s extensive documentation, lawsuits, consent decrees, whatever they need for specific questions leading up to his Florida record.

    Two of the best known lawsuits to date have resulted in consent decrees against the Republican National Committee, prohibiting racially targeted voter caging and requiring other ballot security programs to be pre-approved by a federal court.[4]

    It’s a twofer, because they cage voters with felony records, or, I should say, people with names kind of like people with felony records who might live in the same neighborhoods of people with felonies, or not! :)

  5. 5.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 4:27 pm

    @Kay: How are wedding preparations and cookie making plans coming along?

  6. 6.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 4:28 pm

    Thanks, I guess for Jeb! news.

    I think it is safe to translate ‘misleading’ as ‘Jeb! is a liar’.

    This is cute, from the link on Jeb!’s LIE about meeting with Black Lives Matter:

    ‘ Tenisha Martin asked Bush, “How do you relate to it?” She told HuffPost that she is a single mom with a teenage son whom she sends out every day, “nervous he may not come home.”

    Bush, visibly annoyed at the interruption, pivoted to discussing his plan for education reform and took no more questions. ‘

    Jeb! Bush is scum, I am glad he is incompetent scum, a crooked inadequate legacy white man of the lowest order.

    “…Visibly annoyed at the interruption.. ”

    As I said yesterday, Jeb! is a wet paper bag in search of problems that can punch through steel. I hope running a national campaign is one of those problems the miserable ass Jeb! has been looking for.

  7. 7.

    Tree With Water

    August 16, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: “I should not need to say..”…

    … but bears repeating: a lot of women feel exactly the same way about Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, and [insert name].

  8. 8.

    Zinsky

    August 16, 2015 at 4:31 pm

    Jeb! is a turd burglar. This election could end up being Sanders/Warren vs. Kasich/Fiorina! Wouldn’t that be a hoot? Four names most Americans couldn’t identify four years ago.

  9. 9.

    Betty Cracker

    August 16, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    Like I’ve said, I hope Jeb’s fat stacks drag him across the finish line as the nominee because I think he’ll be the easiest Repub to beat. But goddamn, I’m sick of that motherfucker already. I had to endure eight years of his governorship, and seeing his stupid fucking face everywhere again is like a recurring nightmare.

  10. 10.

    Anne Laurie

    August 16, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Glad you weren’t offended, and I hope it brought you some page views!

  11. 11.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 16, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    @Tree With Water: I caucused for Obama in 2008 and never looked back, so gender isn’t the only thing that matters to me. But this time, I was looking forward to being able to vote for a woman I think is even more qualified this time than last. I didn’t realize how much that mattered to me until it seemed to be slipping away and I am so–I don’t know what the right word it. Sad? Disappointed?

    Also, I’m sure there are women who feel that way about Palin or Bachman, but the Republicans are losing women voters, so women must not see them as a straight up trade for Clinton, any more than African Americans see Carson as a trade for Obama.

  12. 12.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 4:35 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    The Hillary Clinton campaign just called, asking me to sign a card pledging to caucus for Hillary.

    I just got a letter from Debbie Wasserman-Shultz asking me to donate $25 to the DNC enclosed with a bumper sticker stating “I vote for DEMOCRATS”

    I find I’m more attached than I realized to the idea of seeing a woman president before I die. As long as she’s a Democrat, I should not need to say.

    Let’s have Joni Ernst register as a Democrat forthwith.

  13. 13.

    dmsilev

    August 16, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: You mean to say that you’ve ruled out Carly “Demon Sheep” “HP Slayer” Fiorina?

    The horror!

    (also, my spell-checker wants to change her name to Florin. Dread Pirate Roberts ’16!)

  14. 14.

    Betty Cracker

    August 16, 2015 at 4:39 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I understand exactly what you mean. Not sure why others are finding it too obscure to grasp.

  15. 15.

    dmsilev

    August 16, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I want to see Trumpmentum(tm) last long enough and be serious enough that J. E. Bush aims the negative ad money-cannon at The Hair. The ricochets and collateral damage will be sights to behold.

  16. 16.

    Belafon

    August 16, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    @Kropadope:

    Let’s have Joni Ernst register as a Democrat forthwith.

    That won’t happen in my lifetime, so I don’t think there’s any need to dwell on it.

  17. 17.

    WereBear

    August 16, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Congrats!

    I do like the way Bernie is bringing up economic issues. WANT a woman President.

    But I’ll vote for the Democratic nominee. For certain.

  18. 18.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @Anne Laurie: Why would I be offended, you did link back to my post. Yes, it did bring me a lot more page views. My blog has been somewhat dormant off late and am trying to get it back up and running by posting more and trying to regain the readers that I have lost.

  19. 19.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 4:41 pm

    @Betty Cracker: You just have to work up some truly vicious deranged glee on hating that wet and moldy sack of dung. I know, I am to some extent a Christian gentleman and I am not supposed to feel that way or act it out, but I just can’t help it.

    ‘Wikipedia leaks’ God Christ Buddha and FSM combined. I guess he will order the DOJ to go after Wikipedia, after he becomes president.

    Jeb!? is a guy phoning it in from dial set who is so clumsy he pulls the plug out of the wall.
    Jeb!? could lose an argument to bag of rocks.

    He looks older than 62. He has the same wrinkled-paper-bag-face (face: euphemism alert) as Kasich, but at least Kasich has the (perhaps dubious) personality to use it for a cranky uncle schtick, which allows him to retain some shreds of dignity. Jeb!? looks like it is the result of being the inadequate loser who has played ‘nice quiet son’ all his life, since that is the best he can do.

  20. 20.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 16, 2015 at 4:42 pm

    My guess is that Jeb is betting on some foreign-policy crisis causing neocon saber-rattling to come back into vogue nationally. I suspect it still gets a surprising number of votes, and the crisis could happen; if you’re a Republican it’s a better bet to make than some.

  21. 21.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 16, 2015 at 4:43 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Not sure why others are finding it too obscure to grasp.

    There is a lot of intentional obtuseness going around these days.

  22. 22.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: If Jeb!!? tried to use a foreign policy crisis to rattle a saber, he would just starting cutting his own parts off in public.

    And it would backfire badly, since a foreign policy crisis would remind people very vividly, in a way that Christie and even Trump cannot remotely match, that this moron choose Dub and Wolfowitz and that whole worthless lying crew to run his foreign policy.

  23. 23.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    @Belafon:

    That won’t happen in my lifetime, so I don’t think there’s any need to dwell on it.

    I’m just saying, Democrat is only a label and that label is particularly easy to obtain. Once upon a time Hillary was an active supporter of a prominent denizen of the rabbit hole that the Republican party gleefully jumped down. Her policy stances may have changed in the intervening years, but her tactical approach looks a lot like those same Republicans who are tearing everything to shreds as we speak.

  24. 24.

    Kay

    August 16, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    They got married! I only brought you guys in at the very end :)

    I went to Pittsburgh for the last days of prep. They did 90% of it themselves. It was genuinely great. Just a very happy group of people. They had a big wedding party-bridesmaids and groomsmen- I thought someone would screw up with that many people but no one did. The young women in the wedding party talked me into scandalous blue nail polish (I only wear boring colors) and then the mother of the groom saw it and said “I thought we agreed on neutrals”- very cold. I didn’t agree to anything, but I am a 5 year old so I panicked and told her “they did it” and pointed to my daughter’s friends. Threw them right under the bus. She went to high school with most of the women in the bridal party so they’re familiar with my cowardly betrayals. It was nice to see them together again. I miss having a big group of girls around.

    The cookie table was a big hit. I even made some because I got caught up in it. Coconut.

  25. 25.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 16, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    @Kropadope:

    her tactical approach looks a lot like those same Republicans who are tearing everything to shreds as we speak.

    Please explain.

  26. 26.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 4:50 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Jeb??
    lazy
    arrogant
    dishonest
    cynical
    incompetent

    I can’t think of an acronym from the initial letters. We have ‘cad’ I guess need a few more to get up a good one for this miserable specimen.

  27. 27.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I don’t get that either.

  28. 28.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I have to admit that I am not particularly enthused about Hillary but neither do I find Sanders all that wonderful. Female politicians can be just as awful and wily as their male counterparts. If anything they have to be more ruthless lest they be perceived as weak. Examples I can think on the top of my head: Iron Lady, Thatcher and the only man in her cabinet, Indira Gandhi.

  29. 29.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    August 16, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    I need to get up and go grocery shopping, but it’s 102 outside, so it’s hard to work up the enthusiasm.

  30. 30.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Top-down strong figurehead
    Anti-dissent within party
    Broadly accepting of MSM myth-making, indeed, she participates in it
    Symbolic gestures over results

  31. 31.

    Dumbspear O'Sparrow

    August 16, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    What’s the deal with the Eschaton comment section? It’s the worst one of all the liberal blogs I keep tabs on. Nobody seems to say anything on-topic. That’s why I come here.

  32. 32.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 16, 2015 at 4:56 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: Which is why I wouldn’t vote for Palin, for instance. But I see Clinton as a plausible candidate. Not perfect, but perfect isn’t on offer.

  33. 33.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    @Kay: Are you my mom? She had the same reaction to blue nail polish. When I was trying get her to wear it, her response was if you nails are blue, you need to see a doctor.

  34. 34.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    @Kropadope: I am honestly not sure about number 3.

    I don’t agree with number 4. She puts a lot of work into developing what might be overly complicated policies (like her initiative on college tuition), that are easy targets for bogus attacks by GOP that she is some dinosaur big government liberal who craves big bureaucracy solutions to everything.

    And she seems very earnest about her proposals too.

  35. 35.

    Belafon

    August 16, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    @Kropadope: As we all know, Republicans are asking people to caucus, setting up campaign offices and canvasers. They’re also meeting with BLM members, and talking about women’s rights and the need to reform education.

  36. 36.

    Geeno

    August 16, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    I’m not in the tank for Hills, but seriously? The opportunity to put up the first female president?
    That’s exciting.
    Putting her in on the heels of the first black president? That’s positively divine.
    Just mash it in for those troglodytes.

  37. 37.

    Belafon

    August 16, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    @Kropadope:

    Top-down strong figurehead
    Anti-dissent within party

    You might need to go look at how Obama ran the general elections in 2008 and 2012.

  38. 38.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 16, 2015 at 5:01 pm

    @Kropadope: Sorry. I just am not seeing that. Right now, she seems to be following the path that Obama laid out in 2008. Not trying to win the day and focusing on getting a ground game ready. When she does come out with a statement, it is well thought out and hard hitting. I like what I am seeing from her so far.

  39. 39.

    WereBear

    August 16, 2015 at 5:02 pm

    @Kay: I love fun, relaxed, weddings thrown with the help of friends and family. Best Wishes!

  40. 40.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: She is no Obama, but she will do. I agree that she is plausible, two things I worry about, her economic policy and her foreign policy. So far I like what she is saying.

    My apprehensions are based on her past record.

  41. 41.

    Elizabelle

    August 16, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    OT, but maybe worthy of its own thread later:

    Elizabelle here to save you some money. See if you feel like supporting Amazon and Jeff Bezos after you read this from the NYTimes today. First to third on its “most emailed” list, and about 2300 comments and counting.

    Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace

    Capitalism meets Social Darwinism meets Big Data.

    They are as nasty in practice among their white collar employees as they are to those poor workers in the Amazon warehouses.

  42. 42.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    @jl:

    I am honestly not sure about number 3.

    She was the one pushing the line that Obama had no experience and wasn’t ready for the presidency, when he was actually pretty accomplished as a legislator.

    I don’t agree with number 4. She puts a lot of work into developing what might be overly complicated policies

    That she has been horrible at passing into law. “I tried” and $2.50 will get you an iced coffee.

  43. 43.

    Mike in NC

    August 16, 2015 at 5:04 pm

    We know that the quality prized above all by the Bush crime family (as with most crime families, as well) is “loyalty”. JEB! would rather swallow ground glass than offer any criticism of Poppy or Dubya.

    He feels obligated to run even though he’s past his sell-by date. The family tradition is to give the country pointless wars in the Middle East and recession at home, and JEB! will do his gosh darned best to delivery.

  44. 44.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    @Geeno: I have to admit that I am enthused about that idea too.

    I really do not care that much whether HRC has a familiar last name, or is not ‘exciting’ or will be more cozy with the main-stream financial and political system.

    It is going to be a choice between a Democrat and one from the current crop of truly disastrous GOPer fools and slimeballs (over which a schlub like Willard Romney towers like an effing colossus in competence and ethics). That choice is critical. Why not make some history too? And some badly needed history in this country.

  45. 45.

    dedc79

    August 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm

    Started the first Flashman book and thought this description of the Earl of Cardigan would apply with equal force to Jeb (or Romney for that matter):

    that unrufflable gaze of the spoiled child of fortune who knows with unshakable certainty that he is right and that the world is exactly ordered for his satisfaction and pleasure.

  46. 46.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I agree.

  47. 47.

    Kay

    August 16, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    It was pretty. My daughter said “wear it- it’s the color of the sky”. You know how you go along with peer pressure and then the real world intrudes.. it was like that when the mother of the groom showed up at the salon :)

    Mother of groom and I actually got along quite well for two people who don’t know each other very well, are very different, and had to throw what is really a big, formal party. I like her. She’s very practical and blunt. Easy to work with.

  48. 48.

    Fair Economist

    August 16, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    I continue to be impressed with Hillary. She’s mostly the only one putting out useful, doable proposals. She’s really on track identifying things that should be fixed *and* can be fixed (cop cams, the college loan proposals, voting rights expansions, residency rights). These are the kind of proposals that could get through a barely-Democratic Congress is we manage to get one, and in a few cases might even be able to squeeze through with a barely-Republican House. Bernie’s pushing some great ideas, but where he parts ways with Hillary is on things that are not going to happen in 2017, like single-payer health insurance.

  49. 49.

    Iowa Old Lady

    August 16, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    @Kay: I was deeply grateful to be the mother of the groom rather than the bride when my son married. I sent money and did what I was told, and everyone was happy.

    Congrats to the couple.

  50. 50.

    jl

    August 16, 2015 at 5:13 pm

    @Fair Economist: All the legitimate Democratic candidates (that is, besides Webb) are ‘more than good enough’, especially compared to whoever they will run against. That is a pretty sweet deal in politics for a political party facing an election.

  51. 51.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    @Belafon:

    Top-down strong figurehead (A)
    Anti-dissent within party (B)

    You might need to go look at how Obama ran the general elections in 2008 and 2012

    (A) Obama, the man who said “we are the ones we’ve been waiting for,” who stated multiple times during his campaigns that electing a president isn’t enough and that we require persistent engagement in the political process.

    (B) Among Hillary and Obama, who was the one who publicly shamed the other for discussing the relative merits of their plans.

  52. 52.

    Fair Economist

    August 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm

    @Geeno:

    I’m not in the tank for Hills, but seriously? The opportunity to put up the first female president?

    Another reason I like Hillary is that there are a lot of people who wanted her because they wanted a female president. I had lots of arguments over that in 2008. I’m nervous about their enthusiasm if they get asked to wait another 8 years. I remember one older woman who said she probably didn’t have 8 years to wait. If she’s still around she almost certainly won’t make 16.

  53. 53.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 5:16 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: In Indian weddings its mother of the groom that has to be appeased all the time. My MIL in India has never quite forgiven me for not giving her that opportunity.

  54. 54.

    schrodinger's cat

    August 16, 2015 at 5:18 pm

    @Kay: I got my mother to get the pedicure after going first myself. When she saw how pretty the light blue looked on me, she relented.

    Next time try grey, its very pretty when paired with silver jewelry or pearls.

  55. 55.

    Ruckus

    August 16, 2015 at 5:19 pm

    @Kay:
    “They made me do it” said with just the right inflection is a great come back. Has to be done with just the right smile as well. Of course it helps if you are trying to push someone’s buttons with it rather than as an excuse.

  56. 56.

    Kay

    August 16, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Mother of groom is easier. My son had a tiny wedding- 32 people in his (their, now) apartment which is the max one can fit in his apartment. He was a groomsman at this one and he was telling me at the rehearsal that he stopped listening at direction number 12 on the list of things he was supposed to be doing. 12 is his max :)

    They may not stay in Pittsburgh. They like Chicago and that’s where my son and his wife live so maybe we should all just move there. He’s kind of a loner. He’d be horrified if we all followed him. I’m going to suggest this whole-family move to him so he can try to weasel his way out of it :)

  57. 57.

    Chris

    August 16, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    If only Jeb hadn’t helped his brother win, he wouldn’t be losing because of his brother.

    Oh my God, I hadn’t even thought of it that way until I read this, but it’s the best damn thing I’ve read all week.

    Is that irony or justice?

    ALL OF THEM, Charlie!!!

  58. 58.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 16, 2015 at 5:29 pm

    @Kropadope: You seem to be focusing almost entirely on her actions in the 2008 campaign and ignoring what she is doing now. To me, what she is doing now is more important.

  59. 59.

    pamelabrown53

    August 16, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    @Fair Economist:

    My mother and her friends are in their eighty’s and want Hillary to win in the worst way. I am happy to help her with her bucket list.

  60. 60.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 5:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: What she is doing now is engaging in a lot of controlled barely-public events and putting out policy papers.

    This doesn’t indicate to me in any way that she has learned from her experience with healthcare reform that you don’t just construct policy for Congress to vote on, they have to be engaged in the legislative process. Neither did her time in the Senate, since her most high-profile accomplishments there were in providing ass coverage to a Republican president for some of the worst public policy ever.

    Her time at the State Department doesn’t indicate to me she learned the lessons regarding the limitations of U.S. intervention in far-flung foreign nations.

    HRC hasn’t given me any reason yet to believe she has changed her approach.

  61. 61.

    gbear

    August 16, 2015 at 5:48 pm

    “It doesn’t look good right now,” said Dennis Albaugh, a billionaire herbicide magnate regarded as Iowa’s wealthiest man and a Bush campaign donor

    Why doesn’t it surprise me that a guy who sells poison whould be Iowa’s richest person?

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    August 16, 2015 at 5:51 pm

    @Kay: That happened to my hubby. He’s from Buffalo and joined the USAF right out of high school. When his hitch was up, he thought, “Where was that base with the palm trees? Tampa!” and moved here.

    Then one brother migrated here. Then his parents when they retired. Then the other brother. And now the sister bought a winter place nearby. He complains about it a lot, but he’s actually happy they’re here.

    PS: Congrats!

  63. 63.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 5:52 pm

    @gbear:

    Why doesn’t it surprise me that a guy who sells poison whould be Iowa’s richest person?

    …and a Bush donor.

  64. 64.

    Tree With Water

    August 16, 2015 at 6:05 pm

    After driving in a run earlier in the game, Madison Bumgardner just homered.

    It was a TV commercial I could only hear: A voice beseeching, “Go on, boy, go get help..go on, go on, get help..”.

    And then a voice out of nowhere: “Cat’s ignore people. It’s what they do”.

  65. 65.

    Hal

    August 16, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    I’ve always felt GWB spent a large amount of his presidency making up for his father’s mistakes, and Jeb is going to do the same. How about instead of running for president, the Bush boys appear on an episode of Iyanla Fix My Life and work out their sibling/parental rivalries?

  66. 66.

    gbear

    August 16, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    @Hal: Really? I thought that W spent his presidency making all the mistakes that his father was smart enough to avoid. HW knew better than to go into Iraq during the first gulf war.

  67. 67.

    Betty Cracker

    August 16, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    @Tree With Water: Bumgarner is a rare beast. Wish he was on my team!

  68. 68.

    Kay

    August 16, 2015 at 6:46 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Then one brother migrated here. Then his parents when they retired. Then the other brother. And now the sister bought a winter place nearby. He complains about it a lot, but he’s actually happy they’re here.
    PS: Congrats!

    That’s nice, that it worked out. I love how professional certain young women get when they’ve been in several weddings. Her friend Casie was like a seasoned pro- “I’ll need morning-of schedule at soon as I get in”. NOT her first rodeo. She was all business.

  69. 69.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 16, 2015 at 6:47 pm

    @Kropadope: So you are simply ignoring the fact that her campaign is opening offices all over and recruiting people to get out the vote? You know, stuff that has a practical effect.

  70. 70.

    rikyrah

    August 16, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    Jeb doesn’t have an original thought. He believes that he should be coronated. He is ENTITLED to be President. He has all the people who helped lie us into two wars in charge of his foreign policy team…why does anyone think he’d be saying anything different?

  71. 71.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Isn’t that stuff you have to do? I’m not concerned about her winning her campaign, I’m concerned with how she’ll govern.

  72. 72.

    Tree With Water

    August 16, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Juan Marichal was at the game today. Bumgardner’s performance of plus-10 strikeouts (14 today), a homer, and complete game is only the second time that has happened in San Francisco Giant history (1958-present), and perhaps including their decades in NYC. It’s like the guy was built in a laboratory per the specifications of central casting. I mean, I believe him when he tells me 3 times a game that he loves his Ford 350 truck.

  73. 73.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 16, 2015 at 7:04 pm

    @Kropadope: Yes, I am sure you will be concerned throughout the whole primary season. And then, if you HRC wins, you’ll be concerned until the election.

  74. 74.

    Kropadope

    August 16, 2015 at 7:07 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I mean, I’ll be listening the whole time. There’s the off chance that she could allay my concerns. History hasn’t given me a reason to be hopeful, though.

  75. 75.

    satby

    August 16, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Notice the ones “failing to grasp” apparent gender.

    @Tree With Water: And the Rs lost a lot of “their” women voters when Palin landed on the ticket. Every Republican woman I knew was so insulted that an obviously unqualified moron was put up to be the token woman that they skipped voting the top of the ticket, and said so.

  76. 76.

    TerryC

    August 16, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: We were parents of the groom but the bride’s family had no money. It was a terrific wedding!

  77. 77.

    Calouste

    August 16, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    @dmsilev: Jeb has about $100 million at the moment, but Trump said the other day that he was willing to spend 1 billion on the race. It won’t be a ricochet that’s coming back at Jeb, it will be a broadside.

  78. 78.

    Ruckus

    August 16, 2015 at 7:34 pm

    @Calouste:
    Is that a real billion or a T Rump billion?
    It’s a concept like dog years. Still a lot of money but not quite what it sounds like.

  79. 79.

    Kathleen

    August 16, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    @Tree With Water: I love that Geico commercial. And the Free Range Chicken riding the rails and sending selfies.

  80. 80.

    jonas

    August 16, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    His organization focuses on providing job opportunities for low-income residents. Hooks said that while he respects Bush for reaching out, he would not characterize the people at the meeting as Black Lives Matter activists. “It’s a little disingenuous,” he said…

    Reminded me of nothing so much as this…

  81. 81.

    jonas

    August 16, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    @dmsilev: That’s a great point. I still think Jeb! will get the nomination based purely on 1. scads of outside PAC money and 2. insider establishment support for the Bush family. But if Trump decides to go to the mat and really spend $1 billion like he’s promised on the primary or an independent run, this could get really interesting. By which I mean, holy shit invest now in popcorn futures.

  82. 82.

    Tree With Water

    August 16, 2015 at 10:24 pm

    @jonas: What do you think would be the reaction if Trump were to accuse GW and Cheney of plotting to wage war, and then lying about it? Keeping in mind it’s already common knowledge, and all.

  83. 83.

    jonas

    August 16, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    @Calouste: Remember that this has a “Trump claims” asterisk by it. The same asterisk that accompanied Trump’s claims of having uncovered incontrovertible proof* that Obama was born in Kenya. Maybe he’s actually that serious…maybe he’ll just wait until his name brand has achieved an acceptable level of marketability that he can drop out and license a political consulting firm like Trump University. Who knows?

    * no proof whatsoever/utterandcompletebullshit

  84. 84.

    jonas

    August 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    @Tree With Water: Holy crap! After the total ironclad evidence he’s amassed about Obama being a secret Kenyan Muslim, I don’t see how the Wingnut Wurlizer could possibly ignore this!!

  85. 85.

    Thoughtful Today

    August 17, 2015 at 2:27 am

    LOL @

    “If only Jeb hadn’t helped his brother win, he wouldn’t be losing because of his brother. Is that irony or justice?”

    “helped”, how kind….

  86. 86.

    Thoughtful Today

    August 17, 2015 at 2:45 am

    I appreciate Bernie’s efforts educating the public on what’s possible: Free State College & University educations, Universal health care, a decriminalized society, demilitarized police forces, an involved Citizenry … etc.

    BERNIE’S upcoming events updated on Reddit’s Sanders For President page (scroll down, on the right)> https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident

    It’s got links to RSVP to Bernie’s evolving events in:

    Illinois, IL Monday August 17

    Reno, NV Tuesday August 18

    South Carolina August 21:
    Greenville, SC 11 am
    Columbia, SC 7 pm

    South Carolina Aug 22:
    Sumter, SC 11 am
    Charleston, SC 5 pm

  87. 87.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    August 17, 2015 at 10:07 am

    I gotta say, the way the usual Washington media suspects are flogging every bullshit phony Clinton “scandal” with the same old quotes from “unnamed sources high up in the democratic party” and “appearances of impropriety” when nothing illegal happened is really making me want to support her. I don’t know what the Clintons did to the Washington pundit class but they’re still falling for every fake Clinton conspiracy. It’s just so pathetic.

    Also pathetic and downright scary is that JEB? is putting together the same retreads from his brother’s administration for his foreign policy team. Those guys are the wrongest of the wrong and should all be behind bars rather than back in charge.

  88. 88.

    Paul in KY

    August 17, 2015 at 10:31 am

    @Betty Cracker: I think Cruz would be easier to beat. Same for Satanum. However, it appears that it would take 3 miracles for either of those doofuses to get the nom.

  89. 89.

    mclaren

    August 17, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    My guess is that Jeb is betting on some foreign-policy crisis causing neocon saber-rattling to come back into vogue nationally.

    Or he could be counting on another global financial meltdown so that he & the Repubs can blame Obama and the Democrats and justify their bizarre policy of tax cuts for the rich & slashing medicare/social security. The U.S. economy is weakening currently, and China’s economy looks like it’s softening badly.

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