It seems that even reactionary neo-fascist conservative networks do not appreciate Donald Trump like the Donald thinks he deserves. You know what Trump should do? He should start his own network. Talk about catering to a guy’s strengths. It could fill a very profitable niche in that narrow gap between FOX and an enraged eighty year old screaming incoherently at neighbors in his underpants. Yoooge! Classy! Trump could use a friendly outlet to help his third party run (Kennedy should see no problem there), and it would really show up those PC bastards at FOX. Just a thought.
***update***
Take the next logical step, Donald.
TRUMP: I think they cover me terribly. Fox News? I think they cover me terribly and I’m winning by double digits on every poll. So I don’t know. Maybe it matters, maybe it doesn’t. I don’t think I get good treatment from Fox. They certainly cover me a lot.
[…]I think they give me very bad treatment. I think Fox treats me terribly. And a lot of the people that like me think they treat me terribly. But I don’t think — I mean, what – you think I was asked nice easy questions? The other guys are saying, “What are you going to do about jobs?” Another one saying, “Do you love God?” Another one says something else. I get these questions like, what’s going on here? And, yet, I won in every single poll of the debate, I won. I won from Drudge. I won in Time magazine. I won all the — everybody thought I won the debate. But I certainly had the worst questions, the most unfair questions. And, you know, I like Fox. I like it, but, no, I think they treat me very poorly.
Baud
The Real Billionaires of Atlantic City!
PaulW
WHADDA YA TRYING TO DO, TIM, KILL US?!?!
(somewhere in Jupiter’s gravitation well)
Alien 1: Sir, the hoomans have allowed Trump to start his own cable network.
Alien 2: Damn. Nuke the Earth from orbit, it’s the only way to make sure.
dr. bloor
I dunno. I think Trump falls into the “Every Hardy needs his Laurel” territory. His ratings go up when he goes all rage-y on someone else, double points for “out of line” Univision reporters.
Bobby Thomson
What will ultimately undo him is a comedian skewering his cowardice.
ETA FSM, what a WATB.
Big R
Is it just me, or is that a particularly piquant example of word salad?
MomSense
Is this real life? I just can’t believe that this is not some yooge Punk’D episode. Could it be that he already has his own network and this is all some kind of extended launch?
A couple weeks ago I heard some people in town talking about T-Rump and saying that they like him because he says what everybody believes but are afraid to say out loud. Before hearing them say this, they never struck me as right wingers.
geg6
I’m still visualizing the GOP establishment’s horror over that whole Jorge Ramos thing. The only guy to resemble Walter Cronkite out there in terms of the respect and trust of his audience (which is larger than any of the so-called Big Three) and he treats him like a gardner who came in the front door.
Elizabelle
CNN was all Trump, all the time this morning. Whoever said he’s the new missing Malaysian jetliner called it.
Shameful.
Bill
I already think of him as the Berlusconi of the US. This would just cement the comparison.
Wag
@Big R:
The bitterness of the greens is very testy. And the Fox tears in the dressing contrasts nicely.
TS
@Big R:
Not just you. His language skills are probably on a par with Palin, could even be a level below her word salad. My brain cannot comprehend that Trump is treated as anything other than a joke by the GOP and the media.
rikyrah
This is what folks have been saying…..you built this…you own this..
…………
Fox News battles Donald Trump monster it helped create
Rachel Maddow reports on the re-ignited feud between Donald Trump and Fox News and points out the long, intertwined history the two share, and noting that their shared use of ratings as an argument-ender makes them equally, absurdly matched.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/fox-news-battles-monster-it-helped-create-513068099606
JGabriel
Donald Trump:
Poor baby, how could anyone think a man running for President of the United States should answer questions about jobs? It’s not like people expect a president to have a jobs plan, or run an economy, or anything difficult like that.
Tommy
@geg6: @Elizabelle: As I said in the last thread I made the mistake of watching CNN this morning and they seemed to be all in for Trump.
They had Ed Gillespie on and he seemed to totally back Trump. I found this kind of strange because Trump will be the death of the Republican party IMHO.
Gin & Tonic
@TS: Coherent, incoherent, it doesn’t matter. Trump brings eyeballs. That’s the only thing that matters.
JPL
@TS: Trump/Palin 2016
Face
OT:
Holy fuck
If only they had microphone-guns, they could have returned fire and been heroes.
Amir Khalid
@Elizabelle:
If only the Donald were as easily found as MH370.
geg6
@Face:
I saw that. Horrible.
The weaponized stupid in this country is killing us all.
JGabriel
@geg6:
I think Trump has shown that he’s the perfect candidate to take charge of the GOP’s Minority Outreach Program.
rikyrah
a newswoman was murdered on air?
what da phuq?
jaye11aliveVerified account
@jayewatson Alison Parker and photographer Adam Ward, 24 and 27 yrs old, from WDBJ in #Roanoke. Murdered during a live shot.
Belafon
@Tommy: He’ll either be the death of the party, or the party will finally be able to outlaw all others.
SRW1
@Bill:
Nothing cements that comparison until we hear about bunga bunga occuring at the Trump mansion.
Tommy
@geg6: I had not seen that story. Wow. Just wow.
Punchy
Vegas (OK, off-shore betting) had Trump at +750 to win the nommy about 10 days ago. Now it’s +300. Yoooge change.
And Jeb! went from +175 10 days ago to +160 today. Yes, his odds got better. No, I cant understand it.
Hillary at -285, down slightly from -300 from 2 weeks ago.
rikyrah
But What About Black Superheroines, You Ask? Watch Episode 1 of CW Seed’s Vixen Series
By Tambay A. Obenson | Shadow and Act
August 25, 2015 at 1:00PM
Yes, we’re all anxious for the Black Panther movie, as well as the Luke Cage TV series that’s coming to Netflix. Also, Cyborg will be at the center of his own big screen movie adaptation.
But what about the black women superheroes? Storm is probably the most mainstream right now, if only due to the X-Men movie franchise, as played by Halle Berry. But there are certainly others.
For example, there’s Vixen (alter-ego – Mari Jiwe McCab) – a female super-hero from the fictional African nation of Zambesi, whose superhero powers include using her Tantu Totem to channel the powers of animals in the animal kingdom, so she’s able to mimic the abilities of any animal that has ever lived on Earth. Nice powers to have.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/but-what-about-black-superheroines-you-ask-watch-episode-1-of-cw-seeds-vixen-series-20150825
The first episode of the series has been released by the CW and is here:
http://cwseed.com/shows/vixen/episode-1/?play=f4cef08a-4fd7-4ab5-941a-b97e88800872
Tommy
@Punchy: I am not a betting person. Can you explain those odds in more detail please.
Joel
@Punchy: Trump has cleared the field. Walker doesn’t appear to be a credible threat anymore. Looking like a Trump v. Jeb showdown, so you could imagine Jeb’s odds improving (slightly) in that scenario.
the Conster
I think Driftglass had a post titled “he can’t stay down with three barrels on him”, about Trump’s survival as a candidate after the Megyn Kelly blood comment. Trump is in fact Jaws, who will be the Republican front runner until either he gets bored and/or perceives that his ability to keep the press entertained and on his side is slipping, in which case the GOP ends up like Jaws. Trump’s not going away quietly, and his supporters aren’t either. Next to The Donald, all of the other candidates look and act like assistant managers at one of Trump’s very classy resorts. Once you go Donald, nothing else will do. He’s going to fuck shit up, because he’ll get to the point where that’s all he’ll know how to do and his ego will demand it. I don’t know whether I want that or not.
Amir Khalid
@Punchy:
Bettors’ sentiment, which may be entirely capricious and have nothing to do with actual evidence.
rikyrah
Worst Persons in the World
Written by JM Ashby
A group of kindergarten students in Houston found themselves on the receiving end of a protest on their first day of school because they attended a bilingual school.
Protesters targeted the Houston Independent School District (HISD) where the children ages 4 to 5 were attending an Arabic immersion program which teaches normal curriculum in the Arabic language for half of the school day.
“Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned from Muslims on 9-11-2001,” one sign read. “Qatar out of our school,” another sign stated. […]
Protesters told the Houston Chronicle that they don’t have problems with “other immersion schools or with independent Arabic language classes, but said the school was anti-American, and that immigrants should be ‘assimilated.’”
The population at the Arabic school is about 30 percent Hispanic, 30 percent white, and 30 percent African American, according to the HISD news blog.
Apparently you’re anti-American if you teach the same material as every other school but do so in a bilingual manner.
http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2015/08/worst-persons-in-the-world-48.html
RSA
@TS:
Republicans do want as great a contrast to Obama as possible.
debbie
@rikyrah:
This is just like the GOP and the Tea Party. The GOP thought they could control the crazies and use them to their benefit, but at the end of the day, they’ve found their party at the Tea Party’s mercy. You reap what you sow.
NotMax
He’s hell bent for leather to out-Queeg Queeg.
“They’re all against me. It was the shtrawberries. Yeah, the shtrawberries.”
raven
@Face: I’ve been to that place a number of times.
NorthLeft12
Trump reeks of entitlement. I won the debate, thus I cannot be questioned.
What an awful human being. I would like to understand how people can support such a person and his shameful proposals [I will never call them policies], but I really don’t think I want to know.
Mental illness? Stupidity? Ignorance? Racists? Sociopaths? I never wanted to believe that there were so many.
Where are these peoples’ parents? Didn’t they raise them properly?
boatboy_srq
Progression:
1) Murdoch builds Newscorp, uses it to drive Republican party policies, talking points, and party activism
2) Fox Broadcasting, and Fox News in particular (both Newscorp properties), hype incorrect talking points, bad statistics, graphic video infotainment coverage and general hysteria to rile up viewers and get them to the polls for Republicans. Newscorp counts on GOP dogwhistle to make the party appear less b#tsh!t than the Newscorp broadcasts so Other People™ will be hoodwinked into going along.
3) 2000, 2004, 2010, and 2014 elections prove successful for GOP, in part thanks to Newscorp propaganda outreach; Murdoch sees return on investment (loud advocacy for GOP talking points and scaremongering among the GOP core constituencies drive voters to polls, GOP provides Murdoch et al with advantageous tax provisions and other accommodations). Culmination is Citizens United SCOTUS decision which frees private capital to spend freely on campaigns, bypassing campaign finance limitations and other constraints (making pols more dependent on big money, reinforcing the cycle).
4) Trump enters 2016 GOP primary race, pushes all the nastiest things Newscorp personalities have been demanding which the pwned GOP translates to dogwhistle on the campaign trail; Trump, who already speaks the Reichwhinge Newscorp airs, rallies Fox viewers and draws them away from Newscorp’s preferred candidates. Citizens United is minimally effective, since Trump is self-financed and can offset any reduction in campaign financing through campaign spending incentives (discounted airtime etc).
Given 1-3, is it really that surprising to Trump that Fox is going after him in a big way? He’s using Newscorp talking points (almost verbatim), and Fox viewers are eating it up instead of swallowing the sanitized bile Murdoch and Ailes want them to.
I begin to wonder whether Murdoch, the Kochs and the rest have pushed the agenda they have in the ways they have in part because they still believe in basic human decency. Assuming that real people won’t be as bigoted and hateful as their propaganda, and would stop short of the logical progression of nativism, classism, bigotry and general IGMFYism that runs through their machine, would push the US rightward while still maintaining the status quo to some extent. If so, their optimism and naiveté are now proven misplaced as the US electorate is proving to be at least as nasty, mean, spiteful and generally unpleasant as all the whingeing from Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Beck, Coulter and the rest, and the Fox talking points are beginning to sound less extreme than the things Fox’s audiences are saying.
Bubblegum Tate
According to a wingnut I know, FOX has officially become part of the dreaded LIEbrul media:
nominus
It’s like playing chess with a pigeon. It will just shit on the board and strut around like it won.
What does he think he would do as president when he gets criticized? He won’t be able to insult and ignore everyone when he doesn’t get his way.
catclub
@Bill:
Nope, not nearly. Berlusconi was the richest man in Italy AND owned a large fraction of the media. Trump has to ‘earn’ his free media – which he is doing fabulously well, so far. Like a fire or a car crash. But not owning the media will end up killing Trump, by comparison with Berlusconi.
Roger Moore
@MomSense:
That just underlines what they were saying about being afraid to say that stuff in public. The pernicious garbage he’s spouting is very popular and commonly believed, but people don’t want to say it in public for fear of being shunned. It’s exactly what people have been saying about Trump being popular because he uses a bullhorn instead of a dog whistle.
boatboy_srq
@Bubblegum Tate: You’d think that, as even your trusted sources of Real and True Information™ start treading Leftward of where you are, that maybe you’d begin to realize that it’s not them that’s out of step. I know, I know: assumes facts not in evidence…
Bobby Thomson
@nominus: that’s what you think. “How many divisions do Congress and the SCOTUS have?”
catclub
@Tommy: +850 is VERY unlikely, +300 is a little more likely, 0 is even money,
-150 is favored over even money. They are still mostly non-transparent to me also. I do not know what + number corresponds to say 3:1 against odds.
Bobby Thomson
@catclub: US media can be bought. And surprisingly cheaply.
Peale
@Bubblegum Tate: It’s like, they keep asking us how we’re going to do what we want without hurting people and we’re like, no, you got it all wrong. If you focus on how it hurts people, then it becomes a problem, whereas if you just let us believe it only hurts people we don’t like and even then not that much, our solutions are much better than the Lieberal ones.
Bubblegum Tate
@boatboy_srq:
You’d think so, but no. They just keep making the circle of what’s “acceptable” smaller and smaller. And here’s the kicker: The wingnut I quoted doesn’t even like Trump (he is–of all things–a Jindal supporter. Yes, they do exist!). But Megyn Kelly dared ask Donald Trump a pretty basic question about how his yoooge, classy, extravagant, sumptuous policy would work in the real world, and that is way out of bounds, there, you secret liberal Megyn Kelly!
In a way, it reminds me of that great SNL sketch in which Will Ferrell plays Dubya explaining the Axis of Evil and just keeps throwing in things he doesn’t like. “I don’t like the way this economy is acting; not very American, it’s evil! The economy is now a part of my Axis of Evil.”
Bubblegum Tate
@Peale:
You’re dead on about that. But what’s funny is that said wingnut kinda-sorta agrees with your quip that talking about how this policy idea hurts people simply shouldn’t happen:
But you see, refusing to talk about such things is, in his estimation, proof that you are serious and want to talk about the real issues:
See? If you refuse to talk about the ramifications of attempting to deport children who have birthright citizenship, then you are a certified Very Serious Person with Very Serious Ideas. It makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.
Danack
Scott Adams (the creator of Dilbert) has some interesting points to make about why Trump is leading the Republican nominee polls. Disclaimer – Adams has turned into an asshole in the past few years, so some of his comments are dumb and insensitive. I think he’s got a point about Trump though.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/127604348746/trump-makes-univision-do-the-perp-walk
catclub
@Bobby Thomson:
Do you mean advertising or a controlling interest in Fox News or NBC? Rupert Murdoch owns a controlling interest in Fox and other media. Would it be cheap to buy him out?
Frankensteinbeck
Didn’t we agree that FOX turned on Trump in the debate with unusually sharp questions? And pitching softballs to Republican politicians to help them cover the ugliness of their policies is the FOX way of life. As disturbing as it is to say this, isn’t Trump right on this one thing? Sure, he’s being a whiny baby about it, but Republicans love a whiny baby.
@MomSense:
Trump says two things that all other politicians are scared to: ‘Mexicans are rapists and murderers and should be deported’ and ‘rich people bribe politicians.’ So, I’m trying to assemble all the reasons someone might vote for him because ‘He says what everyone thinks and is scared to say.’
1) You think Mexicans are rapists and murderers.
2) You have some other horrible, repulsive, bigoted opinion you’re tired of being unable to say in public.
3) You think saying that rich people bribe politicians is so important that you would vote for one of those rich people doing the bribing, and you don’t give a damn about Mexicans being publicly painted as rapists and murderers. (‘He doesn’t mean it’ is exactly what not giving a damn looks like.)
4) You heard that he says things other politicians are afraid to, and liked the sound of that. This is closely associated with…
5) You’re really into protest votes.
6) You like Trump for some other reason you don’t want to admit, but ‘He says what everyone else believes and is afraid to say’ is a noble sounding excuse. My best guess would be ‘He acts like an asshole’, but who knows? It’s something you don’t want to admit.
None of these seem particularly noble. 4 and 5 are the least horrible, I guess.
@rikyrah:
You remember the uproar when the national anthem was sung on a Coke commercial in other languages. Yes, promoting bilinguality (as opposed to merely learning another language) is something conservatives hate. It is, as you know, pure racism.
Kerry Reid
@rikyrah: One of my FB friends has a daughter in that school. It’s disgusting.
Kerry Reid
@Kerry Reid: Meaning, obviously, that the idiots who are protesting are disgusting. Not the school.
Another Holocene Human
@rikyrah:
Hey, not fair, Storm is one of the most powerful terrestrial superheroes in the Marvel U (I said terrestrial, be gone with that Silver Surfer mess, okay?), and a fan favorite for decades. If only because of movies. Pshaw.
Another Holocene Human
@Danack:
Adams has been an Asshole on the Internet™ since the late 1990s at least, but carry on.
NotMax
@Another Holocene Human
As originally conceived and written, Phoenix was no slouch.
Bobby Thomson
@catclub: not the stock. He doesn’t need it to own as much favorable coverage as he wants. The usual metaphor would be unfair to sex workers.
Another Holocene Human
@Kerry Reid: My brother was taking a junior high Chinese class and a local conservative ulcer with a newspaper column decided to make a huge issue of the Chinese cultural day festivities the teacher put on on her own time as enrichment for the students. The town is much more liberal than this guy, the parents were furious at him, but the teacher, who was a Chinese native, freaked out and shut it all down.
This is the point where I wish there was a hell, so I could send this guy there. (The only reason I’m not naming names is that we had two pustules on the ass of humanity in town–they collaborated a fair bit–and I can’t remember which one it was, but whichever it was, the PTA parents were all “and he doesn’t even have a kid in the schools”.)
Another Holocene Human
@NotMax: Also fair, but that would require me to keep track of whether Editorial has decreed that she is alive, dead, powered, depowered, rebooted, etcet.
Marvel kind of wore me out with that kind of stuff.
neoconstantine
Why are the neighbors in his underpants?
cckids
@JPL:
I know, dead thread (damn Left Coast timelines), but this is too perfect here.
g
Can you imagine what the right wing would say if President Obama said, “I think they treat me unfairly, I think they ask me bad questions.”?
Tehanu
@Elizabelle:
“This morning”? Every time I’ve walked into the break room at work for the last couple of weeks, some idiot has had CNN on and it’s been wall-to-wall Trump. I considered complaining to HR about brain abuse but…
On the other hand, I’ve already seen two terrific parody songs: “You’re the Trump” (h/t Cole Porter) and “The Mr. Trump Theme Song” (h/t Mr. Ed) — both on alicublog, I think. So it’s not a total waste.