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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Scott Walker, Still Not Any Good at This “Campaigning” Gig

Scott Walker, Still Not Any Good at This “Campaigning” Gig

by Anne Laurie|  September 8, 201510:08 pm| 115 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Kochsuckers, Republican Stupidity, I Reject Your Reality and Substitute My Own

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.@ScottWalker : "Everybody wants to talk about hypotheticals; there is no such thing as a hypothetical." http://t.co/RczAK6kYxb

— Mark Halperin (@MarkHalperin) September 9, 2015

Exact quote, per the ABC link:

“I’m not president today and I can’t be president today,” the Republican presidential candidate and Wisconsin governor said when asked by ABC News during a press gaggle on Monday what he would to address the current refugee crisis if he were president currently. “Everybody wants to talk about hypotheticals; there is no such thing as a hypothetical.”

Bloomberg Politics, over the weekend, “The anti-union label that brought the Wisconsin governor headlines and donors hasn’t been doing the trick on the campaign trail“:

… Walker’s plans for Sunday and Monday call for riding a rented Harley-Davidson through all 10 New Hampshire counties. It will be his seventh trip to the state this year and fourth since launching his campaign July 13. On a weekend that will see top Democratic politicians embracing unions, Walker is expected to highlight his experience in taking them on, including the threats he received and the 100,000 protesters he faced at the peak of his battle…

So far, however, it’s not helping Walker in the polls. In the most recent Bloomberg Politics/Des Moines Register Iowa Poll, Walker was backed by just 8 percent of likely caucus-goers, less than half what he recorded in the last Iowa Poll in late May. A poll released Thursday by Monmouth University showed Walker had slipped to 3 percent nationally…

When are the Kochs gonna admit that their state-level knob-polisher just isn’t ready for the big-time national competition?

For entertainment purposes, Jeb Lund at the Guardian:

… A good campaign introduces a candidate and his best ideas to sympathetic and like-minded voters through a combination of events, press coverage and paid outreach, allowing him or her to attract campaign donations and new supporters alike. A bad campaign forces a candidate to get on the phone to reassure his existing donors that he exists and is going to abandon the “sinking into obscurity” tactic that hadn’t been working. A truly terrible campaign is at hand when the most widely-reported news story is the candidate’s old claim that his bald spot totally isn’t genetic but comes from banging his head against the underside of a cabinet…

Donald Trump’s existence in the race actually seems to be goading Walker into looking worse, when you’d think that The Donald’s hogging all the attention might have helped Walker avoid embarrassing revelations. After all, Walker’s political record basically involves refusing to tell anyone what his plans are and then doing something politically craven: he first campaigned on fixing Wisconsin’s budget, then once elected decided that it was public-sector unions’ fault and used a short-term crisis as an excuse to gut them; he evaded discussion about potential anti-union “right-to-work” legislation by calling it a distraction, then signed a right-to-work bill; he ducked questions about legislating more abortion restrictions, then signed a 20-week abortion ban.

And that doesn’t even get into the hail of convictions and indictments in his administration and the campaign finance investigation that suddenly stopped thanks to Wisconsin Supreme Court justices who received donations from many of the same groups being investigated. Walker was always going to have trouble with the scrutiny of a national campaign, outside those justices’ reach and outside the demographics of an overwhelmingly white state whose racial divisions he heightened with the help of a sycophantic right-wing media.

Instead, Walker seems to have felt that any gap in his coverage should have an unforced error hurled through it…

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  1. 1.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Not very bright and completely without charisma. I may have mentioned this in the past.

  2. 2.

    Unabogie

    September 8, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    I thought the whole fucking purpose of a campaign was for you to tell the country what you would do if we gave you the job.

    What an asshole.

  3. 3.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:24 pm

    @Unabogie:
    Scott’s problem is that he has been telling people what he would do. Even if he’s been doing it by stepping on his dick daily. And even the RWMJ don’t like what he’s selling very much.

  4. 4.

    JPL

    September 8, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    Walker is running for VP, at this point, He’s just doing a piss poor job at it.
    Since United Air Lines appears to be tied to David Samson who is tied to Christie, how long does Christie stay in the race? Will anyone want his endorsement, when he drops out?

  5. 5.

    geg6

    September 8, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    In a year when hyperbole has lost all meaning in regard to politics, Scott Walker has turned out to be the paperiest paper tiger I’ve ever seen. I was almost buying the hype (thanks Wisconsinites for leading me to believe you are smarter and better people than you actually are). Nothing I’ve seen so far can explain to me how he terrorized the cradle of American progressivism or that he could survive against Lovey in an election, let alone a Clinton.

  6. 6.

    Amir Khalid

    September 8, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Why have the big boys with the money picked two candidates as inept and unappealing as Jeb and Scott?

  7. 7.

    MomSense

    September 8, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Do you ever wonder how the hell he was elected governor? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills sometimes because I cannot see what anyone would find appealing and vote worthy about my governor.

  8. 8.

    srv

    September 8, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    Merkler is at least taking responsibility for her actions in Syria.

    Obama can rely on the inherent racism of many in the US to protect him from taking responsbility for his surgical efforts.

    So brave.

  9. 9.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Money likes to pay for what they know. And for sure they couldn’t hire anyone smarter than them. And the Koch’s didn’t.

  10. 10.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I don’t have enough money to know, but I suspect that Walker is utterly willing to do their bidding without question.

    @MomSense: Walker campaigned on JOBS and only JOBS in 2010. The other things came afterwards.

  11. 11.

    srv

    September 8, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    @geg6: Every out-of-stater Wisconsonite I’ve met appeears to be a closet Walker fan. Instead of saying “Thank God for Alabama” start saying “Thank God for Wisconsin” and they start squirming.

  12. 12.

    Unabogie

    September 8, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    @srv: You’re a really weird dude. My advice to you is to find someone to love. All this irrational hate is only adding to your acne problem.

  13. 13.

    geg6

    September 8, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Too many years in the right wing bubble, where they controlled the hoi polloi and religious nut jobs, and thinking they could control the beast because, up until now, they always have. Didn’t matter how charisma free and IQ challenged the candidate was, they could get the dimwit base to come out back him. How did we get the first Bush anyway?

    The dimwits have finally caught on that the GOP main liners are never gonna give them what they keep promising and never delivering.

  14. 14.

    Kay

    September 8, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    @Unabogie:

    Scott Walker isn’t very smart. It’s really just that simple. They catch him off guard with these “gotcha” questions nearly every day.

    Last week it was his health care plan. How was he supposed to know he had to explain that?

  15. 15.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Why have the big boys with the money picked two candidates as inept and unappealing as Jeb and Scott?

    Well, that’s all the Party of Boorish Corruption had available.

  16. 16.

    benw

    September 8, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    What if we got rid of all the hypothetical questions?

  17. 17.

    MikeBoyScout

    September 8, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Hello Wisconsin!

  18. 18.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    @benw:
    Scott Walker would still be stupid.

  19. 19.

    MomSense

    September 8, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I think I did hear some rumor about him challenging King but that election isn’t until 2018.

  20. 20.

    geg6

    September 8, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    @benw:

    Sure, because hypotheses = BAD! Because = REASONS!!!

  21. 21.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    @Kay:

    They catch him off guard with these “gotcha” questions nearly every day.

    I am just waiting for him to flub the answer when someone meanly asks whether he likes Mom’s apple pie.

  22. 22.

    srv

    September 8, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    @Unabogie: If anyone loved you, you’d be somewhere else.

    You need to give up trying to hurt other people and start listening. I can show you the door, but I can’t drag you through it.

  23. 23.

    Another Holocene Human

    September 8, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @JPL: How do we know the governor about to be clamped in irons here isn’t Cuomo? It is PANYNJ. I haven’t been following closely but from what I gathered, on the Port Authority issue they BOTH suck. Hard.

    And Jesus doesn’t love us enough to give us a perp walk, I’m betting.

  24. 24.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @Morzer:
    Hey! No hypothetical questions.

  25. 25.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    @srv:

    Son, that zit cream is for external application only.

  26. 26.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Scott Walker hypothecated his mom’s apple pie? In public?

    That’s… disgusting!!!

  27. 27.

    MomSense

    September 8, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I guess it was a good message. I can’t seem to get past his creepy, dead eyes.

  28. 28.

    Amir Khalid

    September 8, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    @Morzer:
    I’ve heard about the movie, but never seen it.

  29. 29.

    Kay

    September 8, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    @Morzer:

    Scott Walker was tired from “hours” of interviews when he said that fellow contender Donald Trump’s plan to end birthright citizenship was “very similar” to the immigration position that Walker supported as Wisconsin governor, according to an interview on Friday with CNBC correspondent John Harwood. Now, Walker says he doesn’t have a stance on the topic.

    He should just go home- but he can’t. He has to do this until January, at least.

  30. 30.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    @Morzer:
    Isn’t everything having to do with his mouth?

  31. 31.

    benw

    September 8, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Scott Walker would still be stupid.

    What if he wasn’t?

  32. 32.

    Another Holocene Human

    September 8, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    @geg6: These are people who willingly eat sausages with (awful) cheese inside, simmered in beer broth. (Austrians have cheese sausages but, crucial difference, they actually taste good and you don’t puke an hour later.) They think a vegetable side is overcooked green beans in more awful Wisconsin cheese*. They drink that swill they call beer as … beer. Miserable food, miserable minds.

    *-with myriad Midwestern relations, I have eaten more than my share of WI cheese, which, compared to alternatives like VT cheese, OR cheese, or even local Southeastern cheese, is barely worth the name**

    **-I expect to be flamed for this. WI cheddar has this nagging off flavor, but it is apparently the secret magic odor that makes WI cheddar the beddar cheddar for its rabid fans.

  33. 33.

    JPL

    September 8, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: It could be but since United flies out of Newark, I’m thinking that Cuomo is not that stupid.

  34. 34.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    @MomSense:

    I can’t seem to get past his creepy, dead eyes.

    He also surfed the GOP wave in 2010.

  35. 35.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    @Kay:

    Rick Perry should give up on the “me too can looks smartier” glasses and just stand as close to Scotty as he can.

  36. 36.

    benw

    September 8, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    @Morzer:

    Scott Walker hypothecated his mom’s apple pie? In public?

    That’s… disgusting!!!

    I heard he masticated it right in front of everybody.

  37. 37.

    piratedan

    September 8, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    by all means keep him campaigning and spending GOP cash. Fucker.

  38. 38.

    mai naem mobile

    September 8, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    Just saw the Davis getting out of jail clip. How offensive. Like shes some civil rights hero? WTF is wrong with this country?

    Also too, how come no thread about Stephen Colberts big debut tonight?

  39. 39.

    Another Holocene Human

    September 8, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Old Snotty has negative charisma.

    I fail to understand how he won his election for county executive. But then again, Rob Ford.

    Walker probably would be more relatable if he did assloads of coke like his soulmate to the north.

  40. 40.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    @Kay:
    Does his poor little brain hurt from all that not using it? Or is it misusing it?
    Really good training for a job that some days requires on to be up, alert, thoughtful and right at least more often than not for what most of us would consider a rather long day. And he’s tired of a few hrs of interviewing while running for said job?

  41. 41.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Walker probably would be more relatable if he did assloads of coke like his soulmate to the north.

    No. He would be far worse all coked up.

  42. 42.

    JPL

    September 8, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    @Ruckus: Since he’s an eagle scout, he does know how to rub two sticks together to create a fire. He doesn’t need nukes.

  43. 43.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @benw:
    Nobodies buying that he wouldn’t be. For proof I refer you to the polls, where a loud mouth egomaniac is winning and Scott is losing. Badly. The reason his base doesn’t like politicians for the job is even they can see how badly people like Scott have fucked up his job that is way less than 1/50th of being president.

  44. 44.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    @JPL:

    he does know how to rub two sticks together to create a fire

    Only if the sticks come with gasoline, a lighter and instructions suitable for a four year old.

  45. 45.

    Unabogie

    September 8, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    @srv: Says the loser who comes here day after day spewing his DERP. Seriously, dude. Get help. No one here even likes you, yet you torture yourself constantly by opening yourself to ridicule. And we don’t even know you in real life. If we did, we’d punch you in the neck for being such an asshole.

  46. 46.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    @JPL:
    Problem is he’s been rubbing the top of his head with the sticks to set things on fire. That’s how he got the bald spot. He just thought it would sound better to say he’s been hitting his head on the underside of his desk.
    You decide which is smarter.

  47. 47.

    benw

    September 8, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    @Ruckus: Oh no, I agree with you: Walker’s got less brain power than a bunch of raccoons up a tree. And is boring, too. I was just goofing around asking silly hypothetical questions. Because, you know, “there’s no such thing as a hypothetical.” Thanks, Gov. Walker, you dim bulb. Anyways, it’s Sam Adams time!

  48. 48.

    catclub

    September 8, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Rick Perry and Chris Christie have fallen even further off the map than Walker.

    Any signs of Rubio? Santorum? I have at least heard evils doings of Cruz and Huckabee.

  49. 49.

    srv

    September 8, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    @Unabogie: If anyone gives me meaning, it’s people like you. Because if you didn’t have me to punch, you’d be out there really hurting someone.

    We both know that’s true. So seek help or just keep punching. I was here before you, I’m here now, and I’ll be here long after all of you are gone.

  50. 50.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    @srv:

    I was a punchline before you, I’m a punchline now, and I’ll be a punchline long after all of you are gone.

    Fixed that for you!

  51. 51.

    amk

    September 8, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    @srv:

    If anyone loved you, you’d be somewhere else.

    talk about complete cd.

  52. 52.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    @srv:

    I was here before you, I’m here now, and I’ll be here long after all of you are gone

    If you want to draw parallels with cockroaches…

  53. 53.

    benw

    September 8, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    @Unabogie: srv’s been here a long time, and while I don’t agree with him on anything, he’s got just as much right to spew his comments as either you or I do. So please keep your hypothetical violence – remember, “there’s no such thing as a hypothetical” anyway – to yourself. Since we’re all safely behind our keyboards, your threats only reflect badly on you.

  54. 54.

    Mandalay

    September 8, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    @Unabogie:

    Seriously, dude. Get help…And we don’t even know you in real life. If we did, we’d punch you in the neck for being such an asshole.

    Get a grip. You are the one who needs to get help.

  55. 55.

    Bobby Thomson

    September 8, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    @srv:

    I was here before you, I’m here now, and I’ll be here long after all of you are gone.

    You mean you’re . . . . Santa?!

  56. 56.

    Full metal Wingnut

    September 8, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    @Unabogie: He’s a one trick pony. Subpar troll and a dumbass

  57. 57.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Get a grip. You are the one who needs to get help.

    It’s true. Punching srv in the neck would be much more effective with two people. One to grip, one to punch.

  58. 58.

    Mandalay

    September 8, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    @Morzer:

    Punching srv in the neck would be much more effective with two people. One to grip, one to punch.

    You make yourself look really small and pathetic by posting that.

  59. 59.

    JMV Pyro

    September 8, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    @benw: I think Internet Tough Guy routines are as pathetic as can be, but the free speech thing rings hollow. Sure, srv has the right to say anything he likes, but given that he’s fallen into blatant trolling and not-at-all veiled racism, I don’t think a ban is unwarranted.

    I don’t care how long the guy’s been around, once he started that “cuckservative” routine he should have been told to stop or leave.

  60. 60.

    Pinksnapdragon

    September 8, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: Wow. Whatever you’ve got stuck crosswise today must be very painful.

  61. 61.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    @Mandalay: And you frequent lack any semblance of a sense of humor.

  62. 62.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Sometimes I even go out in public without wearing a burqa.

  63. 63.

    Linnaeus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    There are few politicians in the United States today – and right now, I’m hard pressed to think of one – whom I despise more than Scott Walker. I know it’s early yet, but it’s so good to see him continue to falter.

    For what it’s worth, I never really bought the Walker hype. Yes, he won three times (should really only be twice, as the recall was a tactical error, IMHO) in a state that has leaned liberal/progressive for a long time, but all of those were due to a specific set of conditions that are unlikely to be replicated nationwide. What works for some right-wing Milwaukee suburbanites doesn’t work for a whole lot of other people.

  64. 64.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    @Morzer:
    We don’t like it when you do that. Not without a welding helmet with the very darkest lens on.

    ETA The helmet is for us.

  65. 65.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @Ruckus: I doubt that Morzer is a pale as I am.

  66. 66.

    Mandalay

    September 8, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @benw:

    your threats only reflect badly on you

    Well said. People who think issuing direct threats of violence on the internet is funny need their heads examined.

  67. 67.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @Ruckus:

    What can I say? I like to walk on the wild side.

    #mandalayinternetsharia

  68. 68.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @Linnaeus:
    Didn’t anyone other than right-wing Milwaukee suburbanites vote? Or is that a big enough block by itself?

  69. 69.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I am as whitened as Mandalay’s personal sepulchre.

  70. 70.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Or me.

  71. 71.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:40 pm

    @Morzer:
    It’s really OK I’d just like to know so that I can bring the welding helmet.

  72. 72.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I like to think my ankles hold up their side of the deal pretty well.

  73. 73.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:45 pm

    @Ruckus: In WI, the Milwaukee suburbs are a big, monolithic voting bloc. They are significant.

  74. 74.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I am so pale, I can read by my own reflected moonlight and save a fortune on candles.

  75. 75.

    benw

    September 8, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    @Bobby Thomson:

    You mean you’re . . . . Santa?!

    Santa spends 364 days/year trolling us on BJ, and the other delivering gifts, happiness and joy. It kind of makes sense.

    @JMV Pyro:

    I don’t care how long the guy’s been around, once he started that “cuckservative” routine he should have been told to stop or leave.

    That’s cool. We both think he’s an annoying troll, we just differ on when the banhammer should come down, I think.

  76. 76.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    @benw:

    Santa spends 364 days/year trolling us on BJ, and the other delivering gifts

    DougJ is a seasonal mailman?

  77. 77.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:53 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Kind of figured that, I’ve spent some time in WI, mostly in the middle but some in Milwaukee as well. Got to fly a plane for the first (and only so far) time with a Milwaukee Deputy, who worked once a year for me as his hobby, sitting in the left seat. That was fun.

  78. 78.

    Lord Baldrick

    September 8, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    @Morzer: Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

  79. 79.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    @Morzer:
    See, I was right about the helmet.

  80. 80.

    Ruckus

    September 8, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    @Lord Baldrick:
    He doesn’t like to talk about it.

  81. 81.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    @Lord Baldrick:

    Beelzebub has a devil set aside for me, for me!

  82. 82.

    Morzer

    September 8, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    @Ruckus:

    Non-disclosure clauses are big in demonic erotic cosplay this season.

  83. 83.

    JMV Pyro

    September 9, 2015 at 12:03 am

    @benw:

    It might be cold, but it’s not unwarranted. If it were a one time thing he might slide, but he’s made racist rhetoric a key part of his gimick for over a month. If that doesn’t warrant a ban, what does?

  84. 84.

    benw

    September 9, 2015 at 12:07 am

    @Mandalay:

    Well said. People who think issuing direct threats of violence on the internet is funny need their heads examined.

    Thanks. Wait, how did I end up defending srv and agreeing with Mandalay on one thread!? Oh dear God… :)

    Anyway, I think internet “violence” takes a little nuance and willing to be tongue-in-cheek. For example, I think @Morzer was just fucking with you about the one-to-grip joke. But I felt like Unaboogie’s throat-punching sounded really gross given that we’re all just commenting keyboard warriors anyway. But that’s just my personal reaction, and some have already disagreed with me.

  85. 85.

    Morzer

    September 9, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @benw:

    I think @Morzer was just fucking with you

    I needed two more micro-aggression points to get the cut-glass Mandalay disapproval tumbler from the gas station.

  86. 86.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 9, 2015 at 12:11 am

    @benw: This is a website where neck punching is a frequent reference from the founder and one that is still the #1 google result for skull fucking a kitten. I think some leeway with language is warranted. And Mandalay is a prig.

  87. 87.

    Morzer

    September 9, 2015 at 12:16 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Mandalay is a prig

    I do deplore this recourse to excessively harsh and wounding terms of personal denigration. Call him an uptight, self-important asshole tightly clenched around its own self-righteous pseudo-morality and I will agree with you, but let us try not to be immoderate in our language, for all love.

  88. 88.

    srv

    September 9, 2015 at 12:18 am

    @JMV Pyro:

    racist rhetoric

    You are a liar. Go send an email to JC.

    And just yesterday one of you was accusing me of being mclaren, because I cited a black feminist…

    two more micro-aggression points

    There you go again. Now they’re going to be accusing me of being Morzer too. Knock yourself out (figureatively of course).

  89. 89.

    Morzer

    September 9, 2015 at 12:20 am

    @srv:

    Go send an email

    I thought Go Set A Watchman was the better read.

  90. 90.

    benw

    September 9, 2015 at 12:22 am

    @Morzer:

    DougJ is a seasonal mailman?

    Wait, did we just figure out that DougJ is Santa?

    @JMV Pyro:

    If it were a one time thing he might slide, but he’s made racist rhetoric a key part of his gimick for over a month. If that doesn’t warrant a ban, what does?

    Maybe misspelling the word “gimmick”? Ok ok, sorry. Anyway, I don’t really want to defend srv, s/he has really gone off the deep end lately, but compared to some of the comments that really brought the banhammer in the past, like some of the rancid shit that used to be commented on ABL posts, srv is being kind of quaint.

  91. 91.

    Morzer

    September 9, 2015 at 12:22 am

    @srv:

    Now they’re going to be accusing me of being Morzer too.

    That bastard Morzer gets all the hot chicks and he’s so humble and nice as well.

    You and me should get together and punch him in the neck sometime. That’ll show him!

  92. 92.

    benw

    September 9, 2015 at 12:41 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    This is a website where neck punching is a frequent reference from the founder and one that is still the #1 google result for skull fucking a kitten. I think some leeway with language is warranted. And Mandalay is a prig.

    Look, that kitten had it coming…

  93. 93.

    Morzer

    September 9, 2015 at 12:43 am

    @efgoldman:

    And so’s my wife!

  94. 94.

    JMV Pyro

    September 9, 2015 at 12:50 am

    @benw:

    Racism’s racism man. It doesn’t matter if it’s not as rancid as what got thrown at ABL for years or not, if it came from places like the Daily Stormer, it isn’t something that should be welcome here. I get that John plays it easy with the banhammer and commenters here can get away with things that could get you knocked on other blogs, but there should still be a limit to what’s acceptable and what isn’t.

  95. 95.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 9, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @JMV Pyro: It appears that the line is not where you would like it to be. Oh, well.

  96. 96.

    Ruckus

    September 9, 2015 at 1:01 am

    @JMV Pyro:
    I get why John is pretty stingy with the banhammer. And is willing to give people the benefit by using it in short bursts, rather than permanent. IOW the punishment should fit the crime. Some actually do learn from short timeouts. And in the end they usually leave on their own. srv has been a troll for quite a while and has only recently began to become pretty obnoxious. In the past most just didn’t respond thereby not giving many entry points of an attack of the stupid or obnoxious. So to get attention the obnoxious gets ramped up. Some consider responding to be fun, me not so much. For me that’s what the pie filter is for.

  97. 97.

    JMV Pyro

    September 9, 2015 at 1:04 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I don’t see why having a more stringent policies on this stuff would be a bad thing. Racists and trolls already have a bunch of dark little holes across the net they can call home. Why should a progressive political blog be one of them?

  98. 98.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 9, 2015 at 1:10 am

    @JMV Pyro: Because it is John Cole’s site. He sets the rules for his site. If you have a problem, you could email him about it. I am assured that he likes that. Seriously though, this is a place where a shitload of whatever is tolerated. Part of its charm.

  99. 99.

    J R in WV

    September 9, 2015 at 1:16 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    ‘Why have the big boys with the money picked two candidates as inept and unappealing as Jeb and Scott? ”

    Because they kiss ass better than any other Republican candidate so far interviewed by the masters… you think?

  100. 100.

    JMV Pyro

    September 9, 2015 at 1:18 am

    @Ruckus:

    I understand the need for leeway with a community of snarky bastards like Balloon Juice, but I disagree when it comes to short-term bans. Ultimately, I don’t really care if a troll learns from their experiences or not. If your a disruptive ass, serially abusive, or toxically bigoted, I want you out of my community.

    It’s a hard stance to take and I don’t expect most people to agree with me, but I’ve seen too many communities driven into the dirt and too many friends harassed to the point of a mental health crisis to care about being nice or fair to the trolls anymore. I just don’t see the difference between someone whose abusive/racist/dickish online and someone who’s those things in the “real world”.

  101. 101.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 9, 2015 at 1:24 am

    @JMV Pyro: Dude, take it up with Cole.

  102. 102.

    JMV Pyro

    September 9, 2015 at 1:27 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: @efgoldman: I wouldn’t exactly call either of those places beacons of harassment free stolidity, but hey, to each there own.

    And yes, I understand that it’s Cole’s blog and he sets the rules for what goes down here. While I could send an email, I don’t think he’ll take the musings of someone who’s only posted on and off for a few years seriously. He’s welcome to do what he likes with his patch of e-space, maybe I’m just not the right fit for the culture here.

  103. 103.

    Omnes Omnibus

    September 9, 2015 at 1:31 am

    @JMV Pyro:

    He’s welcome to do what he likes with his patch of e-space, maybe I’m just not the right fit for the culture here.

    That is a choice you need to make.

  104. 104.

    David Parsons

    September 9, 2015 at 2:47 am

    @geg6:

    Nothing I’ve seen so far can explain to me how he terrorized the cradle of American progressivism

    There are two Wisconsins. There’s Madison & Milwaukee, which are aggressively liberal, and then there’s the rest of the state, which isn’t. Almost everybody outside Madison & Milwaukee don’t like those cities, but the Milwaukee suburbs REALLY hate them, Milwaukee in particular.

    Those suburbs are Walker’s people; they’ll take the entire state down if they can stick it to Milwaukee in the process.

    Outside of Wisconsin nobody cares about Madison or Milwaukee, so there’s not much sympathy for the patented Walker derp.

  105. 105.

    VidaLoca

    September 9, 2015 at 5:59 am

    @David Parsons:

    Those suburbs are Walker’s people; they’ll take the entire state down if they can stick it to Milwaukee in the process.

    The Milwaukee suburbs in Milwaukee County are somewhat of a mixed bag but for the suburbs in the surrounding counties this is definitely true and as Omnes noted above it drives a lot of the reality of politics in Wisconsin. If you’re interested in more details a good place to start is The Unelectable Whiteness of Scott Walker.

    @geg6:

    Nothing I’ve seen so far can explain to me how he terrorized the cradle of American progressivism

    The point made by David about “There are two Wisconsins” is an important one. In most of the rest state the “cradle of American progressivism” idea just has no meaning and no context. It’s completely backward-looking, even in Milwaukee, which like most post-industrial cities in the upper Midwest is on its way to becoming another Detroit.

  106. 106.

    FarmerG

    September 9, 2015 at 6:05 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Because they want a puppet they can control.

  107. 107.

    Another Holocene Human

    September 9, 2015 at 6:34 am

    @Pinksnapdragon: to be fair (ha, it’s the internet) I was really, really tired when I posted that

    it was a stupid post

    ps: still think WI cheese is gross. flame away.

  108. 108.

    Another Holocene Human

    September 9, 2015 at 6:42 am

    @VidaLoca: Thanks for the explainer. As for industry, thanks to Walker, WI is trending far worse than its closest neighbors. Some WI residents have caught on. Some have already left….

  109. 109.

    Sherparick

    September 9, 2015 at 6:57 am

    @Unabogie: Well, considering he would want to fuck most of the country, particularly the non-white and hippie part, up the ass and make the Koch’s existence as tax free and regulation free they marched the country toward feudalism if he got the job, he kind of has to dissemble as much as possible. I must admit that after 2012, and the Sean Trende argument for the Republicans to win they need to polarize the nation between whites and non-whites and boost their share of that white vote up to 65% became popular, I thought Walker might be the guy to execute it given how he had won in Wisconsin with exactly that strategy. However, I failed to understand how much of a hothouse plant of very favorable, conservative media environment in Wisconsin Mr. Walker is. Besides the local right-wing talk radio that thrives on the collar counties around Milwaukee where 80% of the white voters would vote for David Duke if they could, the so call MSM media in Wisconsin, its main newspapers and local TV stations, are controlled by plutocrats who gave favorable coverage to Walker and hostile coverage of his opponents. Only now, when the economic fall out of his destruction of the University system is starting to hurt are they starting to view him and his right-wing sociopaths in the State legislature with a jaundiced eye.

  110. 110.

    Sherparick

    September 9, 2015 at 7:18 am

    @geg6: Read the New Republic article linked in the Guardian piece. Sadly, it explains much of it. I also believe that the decline of manufacturing, particularly union plants in or supporting the auto industry and the loss of the those kinds of jobs broke up cross-racial coalitions and and bitter competition for the remaining good jobs. @J R in WV: I follow the practice of ignoring the troll. They are like the creature in Star Trek that grows stronger the more they are attack.

  111. 111.

    brantl

    September 9, 2015 at 7:26 am

    “I’m not president today and I can’t be president today,” the Republican presidential candidate and Wisconsin governor said when asked by ABC News during a press gaggle on Monday.

    With luck that will remain true for his entire lifetime.

  112. 112.

    VidaLoca

    September 9, 2015 at 7:53 am

    @Sherparick:

    I also believe that the decline of manufacturing, particularly union plants in or supporting the auto industry and the loss of the those kinds of jobs broke up cross-racial coalitions and and bitter competition for the remaining good jobs.

    QFT, and an important part of understanding why the Republicans have been so successful in taking control of states across the Rust Belt. Also — the day after your “remaining good job” gets on a boat headed for China, you have to figure out how to adjust. You also want to understand how the reality you were living in, the future you were counting on, just turned inside out. So that calls for a political program and an ideology.

    The Republicans offer both program and ideology, wrapped up in 2 slogans: “I’ve got mine, fuck you” and “I don’t have shit so you shouldn’t either”. You want to have a “cradle of American Progressivism”? You need to be able to explain reality, the way people live in it now (nobody gives a rat’s ass about Progressive traditions that go back to the beginning of the last century), and you need to be able to offer a collective means of insuring that the social safety net that people count on doesn’t fall further apart.

    You’d need a political party with a vision of the future, not the past, based on the interests of the people who are getting screwed by this system as it implodes.

    There is no such party here.

  113. 113.

    mclaren

    September 9, 2015 at 9:23 am

    Everyone seems to have bought into the deluded mainstream media fantasy that Walker’s problem involves lack of charisma and inadequate campaign skills.

    No, the real problem is that Walker is an asshole who enjoys hurting working people and he is pushing vicious evil policies that wreck society and destroy people’s lives.

    A good campaign introduces a candidate and his best ideas…

    Ideas like…what?

    Crush unions? Give tax cuts to the rich? Send out the police to beat down strikers and demonstrators?

    We’ve had thirty five years of that, and it’s given us a society full of families standing by the side of the road holding up cardboard signs that read WILL WORK FOR FOOD.

    That’s the problem with Walker’s candidacy. Not “lack of charisma” or “poor political skills.”

  114. 114.

    mclaren

    September 9, 2015 at 9:27 am

    @JMV Pyro:

    If your [sic] a disruptive ass, serially abusive, or toxically bigoted, I want you out of my community.

    Well said. Martin Luther King should’ve been banned from speaking publicly, and the suffragettes who disrupted society agitating for the womens vote in the 1910s should have been jailed.

    Go back to North Korea, you insufferable asshole. They don’t have free speech there, so you’ll be right at home.

  115. 115.

    Bill

    September 9, 2015 at 2:09 pm

    @MomSense: As a fellow resident of Walkerstan, I can tell you how he got elected. By convincing white people outside of Milwaukee and Madison that the brown people in Milwaukee and Madison were the moochingest moochers ever, and deserved a good dose of starving.

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