Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

This has so much WTF written all over it that it is hard to comprehend.

White supremacy is terrorism.

Nothing says ‘pro-life’ like letting children go hungry.

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

“But what about the lurkers?”

The republican caucus is covering themselves with something, and it’s not glory.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

The willow is too close to the house.

Boeing: repeatedly making the case for high speed rail.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

T R E 4 5 O N

Let’s show the world that autocracy can be defeated.

I’m just a talker, trying to find a channel!

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

We are builders in a constant struggle with destroyers. let’s win this.

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.

Chutkan laughs. Lauro sits back down.

I’m starting to think Jesus may have made a mistake saving people with no questions asked.

He really is that stupid.

If you’re pissed about Biden’s speech, he was talking about you.

Dear Washington Post, you are the darkness now.

He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.

When the time comes to make an endorsement, the pain of NYT editors will be palpable as they reluctantly whisper “Biden.”

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  4. 4.

    Corner Stone

    Jimmy Graham just whiffed that blocking assignment. Oops.

    ETA, Lord, I have sinned against you.

  9. 9.

    amk

    also. too. weren’t dumbya 3’s dumb donors that were doing the omg’s, onoez’s just last week over his shitty poll nos? and they are only ones who care about this ratfucker’s poll nos.

    as I said before, weigel is a dumbass.

  10. 10.

    Debbie

    I think the GOP is probably focusing on more immediate crises like the vote for the Speaker.

  11. 11.

    Schlemazel

    @amk:
    He was referring to the media’s behavior. You are wrong about the inference and about Weigel.

  13. 13.

    Mike in NC

    Wishing Jason Chaffetz all the best in his campaign to be the new Speaker of the House. Bring on the Brawndo!

  15. 15.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @amk: I agree he’s talking about the two parties, and I think he’s right, Dems do tend to panic. But I think the media question is just as important. I get my Beltway coverage from EvenTheOnceAllegedlyLiberalMSNBC (did you see they’re gonna give morning joe another hour!), and Hillary Clinton’s campaign is treated as a rolling disaster– her lead over Sanders in Iowa is barely in double digits! Why doesn’t she just get out? And if you add in Joe Biden…!
    And when she’s interviewed, as she was today by Savannah Guthrie (I caught some of it in my car) a good chunk of the questions seem to be endless variants on “Why do people hate you so much?” Does Jeb get that ? I genuinely don’t know

    ETA: and on that network, I just saw a poll that shows Kasich has dropped from 12 to 6 in NH in the last month. One is pleased.

  16. 16.

    Schlemazel

    its an open thread and I did promise I would post this as soon as I could. I would wait until later but its time for bed.
    Bleu Cheese Cheesecake:
    crust:
    1-1/2 C ground walnuts
    3 Tbls Butter

    Mix together in a bowl then press the mixture into the bottom of a 9” springform pan – see instructions below

    Cheesecake:
    2 8oz cream cheese
    10oz blue cheese, finely crumbled
    4 eggs
    1/4 C sour cream
    ½ C toaster walnuts, chopped (this is optional)
    ⅛ tsp cracked pepper

    Make sure everything is at room temp before you begin. Well, everything but the oven which should be at 350F (about 180C)!
    Prepare a 9” springform pan. I line mine with parchment paper (bottom and sides and butter the paper or you could use spray release). Press the ground walnut crust into the bottom so its all ready for the cake.

    A NOTE ON BAIN MARIE:
    Someone here said they never use the water bath for cheescake. I use one every time because I believe the top will crack and the cooking can be uneven without it. But YMMV and you certainly don’t have to use it.

    Building the cheesecake:
    You can do this by hand (I have) it is a giant pain! A mixer with a paddle attachment is really what you want.
    In the mixer bowl with the paddle, combine the cream cheese, blue cheese, black pepper and chopped walnuts(optional), beat on medium speed for about four minutes until the mixture is light and creamy, scraping the bowl a couple of times to make sure everything is combined. Then, one at a time, beat in the eggs (remember to scrape the bowl after each egg). Once everything has come together into a nice smooth mix turn the mixer down to medium-low and add the sour cream. Scrape and stir until everything is combined. Most Blue’s seem to be salty enough on their own but if you prefer your food saltier you could add a pinch when beating the cheese.

    Pour the mixture into the prepared pan. Set the pan on criss-crossed sheets of aluminum foil and bring up the edges so that will prevent water from seeping in. Put the cake pan into the larger baking pan. Slide the center oven rack out part way and carefully pour in enough simmering water to come about halfway up the sides of the cake pan. Close the oven door and bake for 45 minutes. Turn off the oven and let the cheesecake rest for another hour as the oven cools (don’t open the door!). Take the cheesecake out of the oven (it should be slightly jiggly but not soupy in the center), cool it on a rack for another hour, then cover it tightly with plastic wrap and put it into the refrigerator overnight. You could also decorate the top with walnut halves if you wanted.

    To me the cool thing about this, besides people not knowing what to think when you tell them that its a clue cheese cheesecake, is that this can be an appetizer, main dish or dessert depending on what you want to do with it.
    As an opener I would put a small slice on a bed of young greens dressed with a walnut oil-raspberry vinaigrette paired with a riesling (the sweetness really goes well against the blue).
    For a light main course you could have it with a salad or a fruit salad.
    Cheese is often used as dessert in Europe and this would certainly be a different way to present it. I’d have citrus fruit with it and maybe a port wine.

  20. 20.

    Right to Rise

    Why do you ask?

    I think Biggie Smalls can answer and P. Diddy can answer that question.

    Hillary’s fundraising is anemic while Jeb’s is Scrooge McDuck type money.

    Brinks trucks and gold vaults, all from the very best corporations.

    bling, bling

  22. 22.

    PhoenixRising

    Wow. That doesn’t happen. My kid asked me if she can say what she just lip read Pete Carroll saying, and that would be a no.

  24. 24.

    patroclus

    At Gettysburg: Lincoln – “We shall remain highly resolved that government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from this earth!”

    Jeb! – “Stuff happens.”

  26. 26.

    Pie Happens (opiejeanne)

    @Corner Stone: That touchdown was fun, as were the passes before it. I hate seeing Russell Wilson sacked, which happens way too often, but that run that he pulled off was entertaining.

    I’m in a hotel in Kettleman City, CA, with my husband of 46 years and my cat, so I have to take my entertainment where I can find it. The best thing about KC is the In’n’Out, although the tiny Mexican market where we picked up some paper plates and plastic utensils has some great looking food. We had left-over Chinese from last night in our little ice chest, so that’s what we had for supper.

  30. 30.

    patroclus

    After Dunkirk: Churchill – “If the British Empire and her Commonwealth last for a 1000 years, men will still say ‘This’ was their finest hour.”

    Jeb! – “Stuff happens.”

  31. 31.

    mclaren

    False analogy. Republicans are authoritarians, so they know votes don’t matter — it’s the person who counts ’em that matters. Need I remind everyone of the 2000 election and the Supreme Court selection of president…?

  33. 33.

    RaflW

    This is hilarious:

    @EricBoehlert
    not only is Jeb (4%) getting crushed by “Don’t know” (17%) in new Pew poll, he’s also losing to “none” (6%).

    Apparently both Don’t Know & None have more UNLIMITED voter appeal than jeb. does.

  34. 34.

    Right to Rise

    @RaflW:

    Look at New Hampshire.

    That’s where it matters.

    Jeb is back in double digits! Meanwhile, a dumpster fire is burning in Columbus.

  35. 35.

    Heliopause

    Russell Wilson is playing completely out of his mind. He has no blocking and no running game and keeps making plays. The best receiver he ever had is now the second best receiver on the Lions.

  39. 39.

    patroclus

    On the future: RFK – “Some people look at the world as it is and ask why? I look at the world as it might be and ask why not?”

    Jeb! – “Stuff happens. Sometimes you might feel the impulse to do something about it, but it might not be the right thing.”

  42. 42.

    Mike in NC

    JEBzzz double digits in NH = .05%

    I know the state quite well, and the degenerate Bush family is despised there.

  43. 43.

    Right to Rise

    @efgoldman:

    A little organization called NBC NEWS and the WALL STREET JOURNAL did the poll.

    Bush rises by three. Back in double digits! Trump falling, Kasich falling. Kasich had his support cut by half. A dumpster fire is burning in Columbus, lol.

    Bush is getting a fresh look as the ads are up and ON!

  45. 45.

    ruemara

    I think I’m learning more about executive producing than I ever wanted. And the levels of smug, self-satisfied bigotry in the area industry. I’ve never drunk booze so regularly either. Let’s just say my snitch on key people had interesting feedback on why I was struggling with crew and cast requests.

  48. 48.

    RaflW

    @Tight to Lies: This kind of “fresh look”?

    In case you don’t want to click the link:

    Fresh Look Customers.
    Thank you for your patronage and support. We regret that we have stopped operations to address manufacturing concerns.

    Fresh Look Products, Inc.

  49. 49.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    just caught Tim Pawlenty, in the middle of what seems like a heated discussion of gun control with EJ Dionne, saying that if you passed any reform “I could walk two blocks from where I am right now and buy a gun on the street”. I am rather skeptical that T-Paw could accomplish that mission.

  54. 54.

    Right to Rise

    @Pie Happens (opiejeanne):

    Seahawks=Jeb, gritty, tough, not very flashy, little underrated in terms of weapons, may not score the most points but they win in the end through sheer determination and faith.

    Lions=Jeb’s opponents, shiny weapons, overpaid flashy players, winless.

  55. 55.

    PhoenixRising

    “Pretty sure he just used the F word as a noun AND a verb.”
    -My kid, lip reading Russell Wilson after a sack/fumble that is going to require Pete Carroll to meditate for several hours before his heart rate returns to the green zone.

  57. 57.

    Right to Rise

    @redshirt:

    It’s a figure of speech.

    It means Jeb has money.

    Cash fucking money. More than anybody elese. Meanwhile, Hillary can barely outraise Sanders AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  59. 59.

    Right to Rise

    Jeb rakes in the big bucks while Billary can barely outraise some Marxist that looks like an Amtrak conductor and speaks like he has marbles in his mouth. What does that say about the general?

  61. 61.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I just hope that, if and when, Jeb goes down, his entourage is mad enough to share their oppo dirt on Rubio

  62. 62.

    Pie Happens (opiejeanne)

    @Right to Rise: I know better than to feed the troll, but the last I heard Bernie was doing ok with the fund raising, and it’s all coming from individual donations. I’m impressed by that.

  64. 64.

    Right to Rise

    Hillary Clinton is Matthew Stafford. Overrated, can’t execute. Always chokes in the end, pads his stats with garbage time.

    Much like Hillary.

  65. 65.

    Right to Rise

    This football game is exactly how the primary will turnout. It will be deceptively close in the score, but when you look at the fundamentals, you will realize that Jeb, just like the Seahawks, had it in the bag the hole time.

    I’m going to really be rubbing it in.

    Rubbing, it, in.

    Get ready for Bush III.

  66. 66.

    RaflW

    Jeb. has to watch out around rakes. He’s highly liable to step on the tines and get smacked in the face.

  67. 67.

    gf120581

    @Right to Rise: Ah, I see the professional Jeb troll has returned. And in light of Jeb’s atrocious numbers, he’s working overtime.

    I don’t think you need any better example of the sorry state of Jeb’s campaign right now then the news that he’s considering bringing in his brother to boost his numbers in SC. So much for the “I’m my own man” theme. Now it’s, “Save me, Georgie, save me!”

    I do agree, it is rather ridiculous that Hillary is considered “in trouble” when she is leading by numbers that a non-incumbant would kill for, while Jeb’s stuck in single digits and he gets only a fraction of the coverage. (Part is because the GOP doesn’t like Jeb much to begin with, but yeah, I do agree that many Democrats hit the panic button way too quickly…it was not for nothing that Obama himself in 2008 circulated that photo of him with the phrase “EVERYBODY CHILL THE FUCK OUT…I GOT THIS.”)

  71. 71.

    gf120581

    @efgoldman: I guess he didn’t see the “.” in the middle. Or he blocked it out on purpose. Trolls have blinders the size of an IMAX screen.

  76. 76.

    PhoenixRising

    @Heliopause: He’s pretty athletic, but at some point even the most agile QB needs some support. Some protection. Some…offensive line.

  78. 78.

    redshirt

    @Right to Rise:

    No, but 11 is. And that’s where Bush is in the LATEST poll.

    Bush=Seahawks

    Rubio=Lions

    LOL. I love your shtick.

    No guarantee the Hawks will win this game, friend. Wilson seems to like turnovers tonight.

  86. 86.

    Right to Rise

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    A Marxist believes, first, that all cultural, political, philosophical, and religious beliefs are produced primarily by material conditions. For example, a Marxist holds that the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution is not the purest expression of timeless principles and philosophical truths, but the mere product of the material forces of the late 18th Century, used as weapons in the struggle of the rising capitalist merchants of American vs. the ruling monarchy/aristocracy of Britain.

    Marxists also believe that the history of humanity is the history of class struggle. Slave against master, serf against landlord, bourgeoisie against feudal lords. Through this struggle and conflict, society is propelled successively into “higher” stages through bloody class conflict. The last conflict is believed to be that of the “proletariat” or workers against the capitalists or “bourgeoisie”.

    The genius of America is that it has shown an alternative to this dark, bloody, cynical take on human history, one which Jeb Bush shares.

  87. 87.

    Right to Rise

    @dedc79:

    The “12th Man” is corporate campaign cash–the Benjamins.

    Like Jeb, the Seahawks always win on their own turf. And the turf of the GOP is fundraising.

  89. 89.

    gf120581

    @efgoldman: I’m sure it means he’s illiterate. Or just willfully stupid. He’s likely getting paid to be both.

    Funny he’s mentioning Rubio, because it’s apparently getting nasty between he and Jeb. And the odd thing is, both sides’ descriptions of each other are correct. Rubio IS a callow moron in over his head and Jeb IS a washed up retread running a terrible campaign. You BOTH suck!

  91. 91.

    Another Holocene Human

    @ruemara: Ugh, I know the whole stress drinking thing. It works, that’s the whole problem with it.

    So sorry you have to go through this bullshit. I guess we all think we leave the petty behind when we graduate high school but it ain’t necessarily so. Some of these people would make a mean 3rd grader blush.

  92. 92.

    Cervantes

    @Right to Rise:

    The genius of America is that it has shown an alternative to this dark, bloody, cynical take on human history, one which Jeb Bush shares.

    As exemplified by his recent dictum, “Stuff happens.”

  93. 93.

    Punchy

    Y’all respond to R2R but he’s an OBVIOUS DougJ-esque jackalope. Just the nym screams troll job. Real righties dont have these names, just like lefties dont go by “Left for dead” or “All I got left”. Only a fake troll overthinks the nym and gives it away this egregiously.

  94. 94.

    Right to Rise

    @chopper:

    LOL. No.

    Rubio=the Lions.Flashy, overrated strengths, flashy style, but in the end chokes and chokes hard while Jeb, like the Seahawks, demonstrates determined grit and confidence to pull through the ultimate victory.

  95. 95.

    gf120581

    @Right to Rise: But Bernie’s not that. He’s a European style socialist.

    You have to getting paid to do this, because I can’t see anyone willingly extolling a loser like Jeb unless they were getting a stack of Benjamins dumped in their lap to do it.

    Or maybe… A BRINKS TRUCK!!!

  98. 98.

    Another Holocene Human

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ha, when my dad was in high school in the 70s someone interviewed another student at his school who bragged that he could walk down any hallway and multiple students would offer him drugs. My dad was wondering what hallway THAT was!

  99. 99.

    redshirt

    @Punchy: It’s not DougJ. I’d like to think you’re joking, but you’re not, right?

    ATTENTION PEOPLE: DougJ barely posts on this blog because he’s busy, and he’s certainly not wasting hours a day on lame Jeb! trolls.

    None of the trolls are DougJ. They are actual trolls.

  102. 102.

    Right to Rise

    @chopper:

    I’m talking about this game as a good analogy for the campaign. I see a lot of similarities tonight between the Seahakws and Jeb, and between Rubio and the Lions.

  106. 106.

    redshirt

    @Right to Rise:

    I’m talking about this game as a good analogy for the campaign. I see a lot of similarities tonight between the Seahakws and Jeb, and between Rubio and the Lions.

    lol the Lions are gonna win.

  107. 107.

    chopper

    @Right to Rise:

    why the fuck would you compare one specific regular season game to anything important? are you new to football? cause you sound real new to football.

  112. 112.

    Yatsuno

    @efgoldman: I see Fiorina as the flavour of the week and Carson starting to fade with Trump still outpacing everybody. And it amuses me that Walker still polls even though he’s been out at least a couple weeks. But yeah if you’re a Bush supporter you’re sweating bullets. Hard.

  113. 113.

    Punchy

    @redshirt: Its not Doug himself, but someone doing his bit. His singular focus on one thing (Jeb) and inability to go full-on personal insults proves he’s a sockpuppet of a BJ regular…

  123. 123.

    gf120581

    @Right to Rise: Really? Because judging from your comments here, I don’t think you know either. Or much of anything really.

    Though if you want to smack Rubio around, I don’t have a problem with that.

  130. 130.

    magurakurin

    @Punchy:

    Its not Doug himself, but someone doing his bit.

    wow, a DougJ copy-cat troll. That’s like a particularly chilling episode of Criminal Minds.

  134. 134.

    lamh36

    Whoa…is this sourced?

    Watch Robert F. Kennedy Push for Tougher Gun Laws in Roseburg, Oregon 47 Years Ago

    More than 47 years before last week’s shooting at a community college in Roseburg, Oregon, Senator Robert F. Kennedy passed through the town on a presidential campaign stop and spoke about the need for stricter gun control measures.

    He appeared on the Douglas County Courthouse steps on May 27, 1968, before a crowd of about 1,500. Protesters who opposed Kennedy’s position on gun control carried signs instructing others to “protect your right to keep and bear arms.”

  136. 136.

    Cervantes

    @benw:

    If you convert to hex you’re back down to single digits.

    “Doctor, it hurts when I do this.”

    “Well, then stop doing it.”

  137. 137.

    Mike in NC

    JEBzzz the sad sack who we now know was an elite prep school angry stoned loser who spent his time alternating as a loner and a bully, while barely passing enough grades to avoid getting expelled from Andover.

    Explains quite well his reputation as a low energy moron who can’t think on his feet, can’t quite string together a coherent sentence in English (Bush family trait, but he prefers Spanish anyway), and has a near zero record of accomplishments. But the donors are lining up, right?

  138. 138.

    redshirt

    That was a damn lucky victory for the Seahawks against a not very good Detroit team.

    They are pretenders this year. They’ll finish 3rd in the NFC West behind the Cardinals and Rams.

  139. 139.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Yatsuno: the real comedy starts when Jeb? slips below Chris Christie. He’ll be spinning like a drill bit at that point.

  142. 142.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    @gf120581: Hey, maybe it’s because I’m an engineer, but let’s not discard the important of Jeb’s support being not in double digits, but accurate to two significant digits.

    One of those digits is to the right of the regional, that’s all.

  145. 145.

    lamh36

    @nightlyshow
    “‘Stuff happens,’ Jeb? Sorry, are you running for president or looking to set up a T-shirt stand at the beach?”

  146. 146.

    redshirt

    @Geoduck: Also, people wanting to get paid. R. Wilson’s contract will ruin this team in the years to come.

    I don’t blame anyone in the NFL going for money. Just that it’s a dynamic that tends to ruin teams over a few years, as they have to pay out for their big performers, choking the rest of the team due to the salary cap.

    The Patriots excepted, of course. Brady restructures his contract all the time to allow the Pats more cap room.

  147. 147.

    Betty Cracker

    Wrong Bush in that analogy: The Seahawks player batted the fumbled ball out of the end zone, which is against the rules, so the ball should have been the Lions’ w/ a 10-yard penalty from the spot of the offense. But the refs fucked up. This Seahawks victory = GWB 2000.

  148. 148.

    Redshift

    @Right to Rise:

    A Marxist believes, first, that all cultural, political, philosophical, and religious beliefs are produced primarily by material conditions.

    You mean like believing that the political beliefs of millions can be controlled by Brinks trucks of sweet corporate cash?

    I had no idea Jeb? was a Marxist…

  149. 149.

    Redshift

    The new schtick of “if I correctly pick the winner of this game I have amazing powers of prediction and everything I say must be true” is a bit amusing, kinda like that octopus that predicted World Cup game winners.

  151. 151.

    Thor Heyerdahl

    @Right to Rise: No you dumb schmuck. A Marxist believes “Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.” We also believe that if you don’t like our principles… we have others. We don’t care to belong to a club that accepts people like us as members. We also believe that “politics doesn’t make strange bedfellows – marriage does.”

    Marxists know that all people are born alike – except Republicans and Democrats. Finally we find your posts are very educating. Every time you post, we go to the other room and read a book.

  152. 152.

    Cervantes

    @lamh36:

    That’s eerie. I saw that POTUS will be going there Friday. A RWNJ asshole has already said something stupid…I’m just ugh…I trust SS but ugh…

    That same day in 1968 — or it might have been a day or two later, I don’t remember — Bobby was campaigning, shaking hands with voters, when a Secret Service agent yelled, pointing, “He’s got a gun! Get down!” Bobby heard the warning but stubbornly refused to duck. Only after the armed man was tackled and handcuffed did it become clear that the gun he’d been holding was a toy.

    It may be difficult to understand what Bobby did. As I’m sure you can imagine, a number of people were angry with him for a short while because of it. But one thing he used to say in those days: “You cannot be ruled by fear, because if you are, you’ve already lost too much.”

    Peace, and a good evening, to you.

  153. 153.

    Anoniminous

    UNLIMITED BRINK’S* CASH CORPORATE DOUBLE-DIGIT VANGUARD-OF-THE-PROLETARIAT TRUCKS** (with little Red Flags, too) BENJAMINS!!!

    * it’s Brink’s, people.

    ** all driven by Karl “The Commie” Marx hisself

  154. 154.

    Frankensteinbeck

    …is Weigel making fun of Village idiocy, or is he dumb enough to believe that premise? I have heard many things on the Dem side, but none of them have been ‘panic.’ All the flop sweat is on the Republican side right now.

    @Right to Rise:

    The genius of America is that it has shown an alternative to this dark, bloody, cynical take on human history

    You may be looking at the wrong history. By removing literal aristocracy so that only economic aristocracy remained, America has been the poster child of Marxist theory. The Gilded Age, the Pinkertons, the Transcontinental Railroad, FDR’s entire presidency – American history is thick with class struggle. The Bushes, with George’s policies that made the rich vastly richer and abandoned New Orleans’ poor to die, are neck deep in it. The only more powerful factor in American history has been racial struggle, and that is often interpreted as a version of economic class struggle with simplified labels.

  156. 156.

    burnspbesq

    @Right to Rise:

    from the very best corporations.

    Whose D&O insurance had better be paid up, because they are breaching the living fcuk out of their fiduciary duties, pissing away the shareholders’ money like that.

  158. 158.

    Anoniminous

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    By removing literal aristocracy so that only economic aristocracy remained, America has been the poster child of Marxist theory.

    And Plato’s attack on oligarchy in “The Republic.”

    The instability caused by class divisions: By its very nature, an oligarchy is invariably divided between the rich and the poor. Plato saw it as the state’s responsibility to preclude income disparities from widening, by implementing laws that forbid citizens from enriching through exploitative contracts, or from becoming poor by wasting around their money and goods. But these laws are never imposed in oligarchies since it’s in the nature of the oligarchic state to seek to make inequality more stark in order to feed the material lust of its governors. The poor underclass grows and many of them become either beggars or thugs imbued with anger at their condition and a revolutionary spirit which threatens the stability of the state from within.

  159. 159.

    Mary G

    Looking back in history, didn’t Karl Rove’s American Crossness PAC or whatever it’s called spend like $140 million in 2012 for no wins? And Sheldon Adelson spent more than $100 million on Newt and Mitt and got no wins? All that cash for nothing. Some of it probably even traveled in Brinks trucks.

    What does 2016 have in common with 2012? I wonder…

  162. 162.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @efgoldman: “It’s meant to connote excitement” was almost enough to make his Colbert interview worth watching.

    Nothing could make me watch John McCain tonight. If Colbert owns, eviscerates, annihilates, decimates or desecrates the old warmonger, I’ll watch the clip.

  163. 163.

    Cervantes

    @redshirt:

    But I think there is another commentator who uses the same handle.

    That’s a true statement — but it’s a different statement from your previous one.

    Anyhow, I’m off. Have a good evening.

  164. 164.

    Morzer

    @Right to Rise:

    Brinks trucks and gold vaults

    I applaud your innovative strategy of throwing a drowning man an anchor made of gold. Maybe for your next one weird trick you can crucify him on it.

  165. 165.

    burnspbesq

    @Right to Rise:

    Jeb = Wake Forest. Piss-poor, and not likely to be a contender for anything during any of our lifetimes.

    (with apologies to my HSH and my niece who are Wake alums).

  166. 166.

    Brachiator

    @Yatsuno:

    I see Fiorina as the flavour of the week and Carson starting to fade with Trump still outpacing everybody.

    But here’s the thing. Trump Trio still represent a majority of GOP leaning citizens. By any measure, a sizable chunk of the electorate are deeply unhappy with the GOP and want action, even if that action would be bad for the country.

    These people may have originally been cultivated by the phony grass route machinations that gave us the Tea Party, but that doesn’t matter anymore. These people are a legitimate force.

    Jeb! or Rubio or Kasich may end up the being the nominee, but what happens if they ignore or disdain the wishes of these people?

  167. 167.

    redshirt

    @Cervantes:

    That’s a true statement — but it’s a different statement from your previous one.

    Anyhow, I’m off. Have a good evening.

    But that was all I meant, so I don’t see how my previous comments upset you.

    Good night though, hope you don’t read this. :)

  168. 168.

    Cervantes

    @redshirt:

    I don’t see how my previous comments upset you.

    That’s probably because they didn’t.

    Quit worrying about it (if you are).

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    Anoniminous

    @Mary G:

    Roughly $2 billion was spent on winning the presidency in 2012 roughly divided between Obama and Romney. Another $5 billion or so was spent on all the other races. Rove spent $300 million total and got zip.

  172. 172.

    Calouste

    Bush3 might be polling 11% nationally (well, in one poll at least), but he is 6th in Iowa on average at the moment. Those 8 days between Iowa and New Hampshire will be about whether Carson can follow up Iowa with a good showing in New Hampshire, how much Trump is going to win New Hampshire by, and how high Bush3 has to finish to not call curtains on his campaign.

  173. 173.

    Morzer

    @efgoldman:

    I use the term “friends” in its political sense. I think the comparison of Jeb! and Philbin is rather unfair to Philbin – sucky coach, yes, in the days when I watched the NFL, but a decent man. Jeb! is just a slimy, entitled little weasel.

  174. 174.

    Pie Happens (opiejeanne)

    T@JCJ: After the game we went out for ice cream, came back to people on the field fussing about that fumble and the touchback and what a terrible call it was, etc.

    We laughed and turned it off.

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    oldgold

    What a piece of work! Lindsey Graham wants federal aide for South Crolina. When asked about his vote against helping New Jersey after Hurricane Sandy, he said this:

    “I’m all for helping the people in New Jersey. I don’t really remember me voting that way,” Graham said.

    Pressed further, he said: “Anyway, I don’t really recall that, but I’d be glad to look and tell you why I did vote no, if I did.”

  176. 176.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @oldgold: Pressed further, he said: “Anyway, I don’t really recall that, but I’d be glad to look and tell you why I did vote no, if I did.”

    Same reason you pimped Benghazi and its (American) corpses, Pittypat, you’re a skeevy fucking coward who clings desperately to public office to call for wars for other people’s children to fight.

  180. 180.

    mclaren

    @redshirt:

    Sorry, no, you just failed big-time.

    Everyone was ignoring the Reich to Rise troll.

    That’s the way to do it. Just ignore him. He’s a paid astroturfer, so if everyone ignores him and he fails to accomplish his paid mission of “deny, deceive, degrade, disrupt,” he’ll just go away in search of easier prey.

  181. 181.

    mclaren

    @Thor Heyerdahl:

    Another major fail. Ignore the troll. He’s a paid astroturfer who gets untraceable cash in a brown bag every time he disrupts this forum. Ignore him and he’ll lose his astroturfing meal ticket and vanish.

  182. 182.

    mclaren

    @Yatsuno:

    I see Fiorina as the flavour of the week…

    Interesting. I was not aware that urine is a flavor. Well, you learn something new every day…

  184. 184.

    trollhattan

    @Right to Rise:

    President John Ellis Bush.

    Ooh, ooh, let me play!

    Pope Bibi Netanyahu
    Olympic gymnastics gold medalist Rosie O’Donnell
    Nobel laureate in physics Louis Gomert
    Grand sumo champion Manute Bol
    Triple-Crown winner Steve Jobs
    Planned Parent President and CEO John Bolton

  190. 190.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    @efgoldman:

    7.7 isn’t double digits, dipshit.

    And that’s well with in the +/- 4% of polls, so that doesn’t break support in the GOP is at Jeb is at 4%.

  191. 191.

    Karen S.

    @Right to Rise: Late to what is most likely a dead thread, but I’ve gotta ask. Why the quotation marks around the words fresh look? Is it a fresh look or isn’t it? Were you meaning to emphasize those two words? If so, that’s really not the way to do it. By using quotation marks, you’ve called into question whether anyone is giving JEB? a fresh look at all. You’ve rendered your entire statement comical, a joke. But maybe that has been your intent all along.

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    cokane

    I dont think Dems are panicking at all… plenty would prefer a Sanders victory. Just as plenty of conservatives would prefer Carson or Trump… Weigel’s tweet really has it all wrong.

  193. 193.

    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @cokane: I think he was being sarcastic but I’m not sure. All the panic right now is definitely on the right.

  194. 194.

    cokane

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Well, I think Hillary’s people might be panicked a tad… but Hillary does not equal all Dems. And if that’s Weigel’s angle… well Jeb’s campaign is most definitely panicked (or already resigned to defeat). And I think most Dems are pretty confident Sanders or Biden could compete just fine against whatever trash emerges from the GOP field.

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    pattonbt

    @Right to Rise: What? A Jeb win only with an assist from the refs? Not that I care, mind you. I have thought Jeb would win the primary from day one (though I have to admit it seems a bit shaky of a prediction right now).

    I’ll care when it’s time for the general election.

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