Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Dear media: perhaps we ought to let Donald Trump speak for himself!

The Supreme Court cannot be allowed to become the ultimate, unaccountable arbiter of everything.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.

“The defense has a certain level of trust in defendant that the government does not.”

Bark louder, little dog.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

We need to vote them all out and restore sane Democratic government.

Bad people in a position to do bad things will do bad things because they are bad people. End of story.

’Where will you hide, Roberts, the laws all being flat?’

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

I like political parties that aren’t owned by foreign adversaries.

You are either for trump or for democracy. Pick one.

But frankly mr. cole, I’ll be happier when you get back to telling us to go fuck ourselves.

DeSantis transforming Florida into 1930s Germany with gators and theme parks.

Relentless negativity is not a sign that you are more realistic.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

Usually wrong but never in doubt

Hot air and ill-informed banter

How any woman could possibly vote for this smug smarmy piece of misogynistic crap is beyond understanding.

People are complicated. Love is not.

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

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  2. 2.

    Amir Khalid

    On the subject of the weather in Malaysia, I’d like to quote Bob Dylan:

    How many times must a man look up
    Before he can see the sky?

  6. 6.

    dedc79

    Michael Gerson is terrified that President Obama and Donald Trump are out to destroy our democracy:

    The spirit of our democracy is very much at issue. Donald Trump says we have a corrupt system run by stupid people. Obama says we have a corrupt system run by evil people. Both of them are part of the same problem. I really don’t give a damn if they are disillusioned and fed up with democratic processes or not. If they are tired of the game, they should stop playing it, not engage in ideological commentary or entertain fantasies of personal rule.

    I wouldn’t blame you for refusing to click over. That’s not even the worst paragraph in the column.

  7. 7.

    geg6

    You are not in Florida, are you, Betty? No way that’s Florida.

    Looks more like somewhere in my neck of the woods. The hills look very rolling, Western PA-ish. But I’m sure you’re not here. Where are you?

  8. 8.

    MattF

    @Jeffro: Uh, gosh. Chaffetz was Huntsman’s campaign manager in 2004 and then his Chief of Staff. I detect some long-term animosity in this situation.

  13. 13.

    Jeffro

    @MattF: Once in a great while, Gerson writes something really fantastic, usually about science/space. (George Will did this recently as well, which was most likely the first, last, and only time I will EVER push a Will column on my kids). Outside of those lofty topics, though, he can be quite Brooksian.

    He must have been overdue for a hit piece, or a both-sides-do-it piece at a minimum.

  17. 17.

    shell

    With the reporting of that horrible sinking of that container ship in the hurricane, why do all the news outlets now have to say “it disappeared in the Bermuda Triangle” As if to cue the spooky music.

  19. 19.

    Redshift

    @dedc79: I have to assume it was the Obama inside his head who said “we have a corrupt system run by evil people,” since the Obama here in the real world never has.

    If his point is that people who don’t believe in government shouldn’t be a part of it, I’d agree, but he’s doing so much projection he should open a movie theater.

  20. 20.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Redshift:

    If his point is that people who don’t believe in government shouldn’t be a part of it,

    I would change that to “People who don’t believe in gov’t should try getting along with out it.”

  21. 21.

    dedc79

    @Redshift: Yeah, the the whole article is premised on things Obama has never said/done, but which the right wing attributes to him anyway. I’ve seen the claim show up in enough venues and through enough different mouthpieces that I think it’s some kind of coordinated Republican messaging – the President doesn’t believe in deliberation or debate, he just acts.

  22. 22.

    Eric U.

    @geg6: Betty said she was headed to the Smokies, IIRC

    @OzarkHillbilly: they are working on destroying government, and since it’s a lot easier to do that than it is to make government run right, it’s working for them. I want them all to move to Somalia

  23. 23.

    catclub

    @Redshift:

    since the Obama here in the real world never has.

    There are a LOT of people who know what Obama is thinking, and are willing to tell us. Kind of like Bill Frist the tele-doctor.

  26. 26.

    Germy Shoemangler

    Here’s an anecdote from my life: Once a month I visit our local credit union to deposit some $. It’s not our credit union, but they’re in the same network. I fill out a special form, and they deposit it to the correct credit union account, and I get a printed receipt showing our balance.

    There are two nice lady tellers who conduct the transaction, and hand me my receipt. But there is one young man who works there (he seems to only be there in the late morning or early afternoon) who doesn’t give me a receipt. When I asked him for a printout he insisted it can’t be done because it’s a different credit union. When I politely asked for one, he went “tsk!” and wrote out the balance by hand on a piece of paper.

    I find myself going there very early (like between 9:00 and 10:00) because I know if I show up any later than that I might encounter that guy. And then I’ll have to say to the person behind me “you go ahead” if I’m next up for his window, so I can get one of the competent ladies…

    Why can’t people learn how to do their jobs? And has anyone else encountered people who don’t know how to do their jobs, but cover themselves by insisting it’s impossible?

  29. 29.

    WereBear

    @Germy Shoemangler: Why can’t people learn how to do their jobs? And has anyone else encountered people who don’t know how to do their jobs, but cover themselves by insisting it’s impossible?

    Constantly.

  31. 31.

    Roger Moore

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I would change that to “People who don’t believe in gov’t should try getting along with out it.”

    Only if it’s in the form of them moving someplace without. I don’t want them trying that by destroying the government we already have, TYVM.

  32. 32.

    Germy Shoemangler

    @WereBear: And I find myself worrying that I’ll get him in trouble! Because if I insist, and his co-workers or boss hears…

    It’s the arrogance that bugs me. Trying to bullshit me that “it can’t be done” because he doesn’t know how.

    And I suspect he’ll be promoted over the two competent ladies.

  36. 36.

    raven

    @JPL: It wasn’t that bad. We wrangled three seats so that helped. LAX is a frickin nightmare even at 3:30 am. I was traveling with things that would cause a stroke here so I won’t mention them but TSA was weird.

  37. 37.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    And has anyone else encountered people who don’t know how to do their jobs, but cover themselves by insisting it’s impossible?

    Try asking one of the helpful tellers to show him how it’s done. As to the question, from time to time.

  38. 38.

    NotMax

    @Eric U.

    Little (as in never) mentioned in U.S. media are the existence of stable, mostly democratically governed incipient states/regional entities within what is recognized internationally as Somalia, such as Somaliland and Puntland.

  39. 39.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Roger Moore: Oh I propose that it would take a single day right where they currently live. They would have to spend that day living with,

    No electriity.
    No water.
    No sewer.
    No road.
    No car.
    No clothes.
    No food.
    No…. well, let’s face it, anything.

  40. 40.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Gorgeous picture Betty – thanks.

    @raven: LAX is a permanent nightmare. Were you carrying long cases that might cause a stroke here?

    Speaking of nightmares, Carson (R-Lunacy) had a Q&A on FaceBook saying that he had operated on victims of gun violence

    but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away.

  41. 41.

    PaulW

    This can’t be real:

    …A key supporter of Florida’s “stand your ground” law filed a bill Tuesday that would shift a burden of proof to the state in cases in which people argue they used force in self-defense.
    The bill (HB 169), filed by Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, came about two months after the Florida Supreme Court ruled that people who use “stand your ground” defenses have the burden of showing they should be shielded from prosecution. In such cases, pre-trial evidentiary hearings are held to determine whether defendants are immune from prosecution under the law.
    But Baxley’s bill, which will be considered during the 2016 legislative session, would place the burden of proof on prosecutors in the evidentiary hearings. The bill said it is “intended to correct misinterpretations of legislative intent made by the courts” and would apply retroactively to pending cases.

    /rage

  43. 43.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    And I find myself worrying that I’ll get him in trouble! Because if I insist, and his co-workers or boss hears…

    Next time just bring in a receipt from the last time. When he says it can’t be done, just quietly slide it across the counter and say, “Judy did it the last time. Why don’t you ask her how?” If he refuses, you want the boss to hear.

  44. 44.

    Eric U.

    @NotMax: Ok, how about they move to Russia, because the same people seem to think that Putin is a really great libertarian leader? I don’t care where they go, their choice, we can’t help them here.

  45. 45.

    geg6

    @Eric U.:

    Ah, thanks! That explains the hills. Very pretty. Much more my kind of terrain. How do you go back to Florida after being there?! I couldn’t. It drove me nuts that, when my sister lived in Florida, to climb a hill, you had to get onto the Palm City Bridge. The bridge was the only hill for hundreds of miles, I think.

  48. 48.

    Chris

    @dedc79:

    I fucking love these people who think it’s somehow an unspeakable abuse of the system to stand for election and then win because you made your case to the people and most of them liked it.

    ETA: I mean, nothing says “tired of the electoral process” like taking part in it so successfully!

  49. 49.

    bemused

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    That’s a good idea. I’d like to see how he tries to get around insisting “it can’t be done” before.

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    Why worry about getting him into trouble when he is not concerned about doing his job correctly and inconveniencing you who is the customer? I’m guessing he inconveniences his co-workers too with his attitude and incompetence. I wonder if he is related to the bank manager or something like that.

  53. 53.

    Germy Shoemangler

    @bemused:

    I’m guessing he inconveniences his co-workers too with his attitude and incompetence. I wonder if he is related to the bank manager or something like that.

    He definitely gives off an air of entitlement and arrogance.

    Here’s something he did that made me really dislike him. Last year I was waiting in line, and an older black lady was talking to the employees. She was laughing and making conversation. Maybe she was laughing too much for him. After she left, he piped up and said “what was THAT all about? She reminds me of [insert name of some other customer he apparently found odd]”

    Oh hell, come to think of it, next time he can’t print out a fucking receipt I’ll tell him to get one of the smart ladies to help him. And hope he doesn’t erase my bank account with one keystroke.

  54. 54.

    catclub

    @Germy Shoemangler: I am always amazed, but no longer surprised, to find people who are not doing their job. House closing and not having all the documents – and not making sure that we the borrower get all the documents, was my base case. car salesmen who do not know the prices of cars is another.

    You want to ask: Have you ever done this before?

  55. 55.

    catclub

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    And hope he doesn’t erase my bank account with one keystroke.

    If he does, the bank will trust the computer more than all those paper receipts you have obtained.

    They might trust the bank statement they have mailed to you.

  56. 56.

    Germy Shoemangler

    @catclub: I’ve seen it again and again and the thing that baffles me is how they don’t give a shit. I’ve been in situations years ago when I was new on a job and unsure of how to accomplish a task. I’d be so apologetic and uncomfortable and anxious to make things right. But what I encounter nowadays are people who “don’t know how and don’t want to learn” and give off a toxic “the customer is always an asshole” vibe.

  58. 58.

    Peale

    @PaulW: Yep. Make sure you have no witnesses and the state can’t touch you. Next up, getting coroners to classify gunshots as “natural causes” in their reports.

  59. 59.

    WereBear

    @Germy Shoemangler: But what I encounter nowadays are people who “don’t know how and don’t want to learn” and give off a toxic “the customer is always an asshole” vibe.

    I worked for a bank in the late 1970’s. Trust me, they were always there.

  61. 61.

    MrSnrub

    Police investigating reports of a man with a gun at Community College of Philadelphia. The school is on lock down, but the police haven’t found anything yet. I have 2 friends who work at the high school across the street, which is in lock down as a precaution. Ugh.

  62. 62.

    Germy Shoemangler

    headline:

    Ben Carson would skip meeting families of Oregon mass shooting but ‘would probably go to the next one’

    “But, Dr. Carson, would you go?” host Brian Kilmeade wondered. “If the people of the community say don’t go, would you still go if you were president on Friday?”

    “Probably not,” Carson replied. “I mean, I would probably have so many things on my agenda that I would go to the next one.”

    The GOP hopeful also explained that he would be willing to “listen” to ideas about how to stop mass shootings, but he insisted that no gun control proposal would solve the problem.

  66. 66.

    PurpleGirl

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    “Probably not,” Carson replied. “I mean, I would probably have so many things on my agenda that I would go to the next one.”

    The thing about being president is that you have a staff that can arrange meetings and travel at a moments notice and change your schedule. The plane is always ready to take off.

  67. 67.

    Chris

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    The GOP hopeful also explained that he would be willing to “listen” to ideas about how to stop mass shootings, but he insisted that no gun control proposal would solve the problem.

    It’s become really hard to discuss Republican politics without reference to communist states.

    No, I don’t mean secret polices and surveillance cultures and violations of civil liberty. I mean the whole “1984” approach to reality and ideology, the religion-gone-mad world in which the most absurd mantras are repeated so faithfully and incessantly we don’t even think about how ridiculous they are anymore. “No gun control proposal can solve the problem.” “Tax cuts increase revenue.” “Austerity works.” “Condoms and birth control pills don’t prevent pregnancy.” “The private sector can do [insert field of activity here] better than the government.” “Well, we just need to bomb some more.” The Ideology provides all the answers, and there’s no need to even think anymore.

  71. 71.

    catclub

    @jurassicpork:

    After all, what’s Trump saying this year that he hadn’t back when he was just an umber-faced buffoonish alsoran in 2012? That campaign was immediately exposed for the right wing performance art that it was and before anyone knew it, Trump decided to terminate his campaign and sulk back to Celebrity Apprentice.
    So what’s so different with the current goat rodeo? Since 2012, the only ways that Trump’s changed is he’s gained a few more pounds and his increasingly transparent double weave is the worse for wear.

    The key difference is that NBC did not renew his contract in 2015. So blame them.

  72. 72.

    trollhattan

    The local dead tree paper carried the gruesome Gerson piece and also, too, carried this, guaranteed to cause a few brain hemorrhages. An excerpt.

    Gun lobbyists claim it’s all about the Constitution. But we don’t put up with child pornography just because the First Amendment might be interpreted to protect it. We don’t let polygamists hide behind freedom of religion. We don’t allow demonstrators to take over the roads.

    So why – with mass shootings happening on a regular basis, and more than 30,000 people a year dying from gun violence, and enough guns now to arm every man, woman and child in the country – would we let the Second Amendment get so out of control that it kills us?

    If a mob of dangerous drug addicts invaded your town, and the sickest among them made it impossible to safely send your first-grader to school, or go for a walk on the pier, or greet your congresswoman at a mall, or go to the Cineplex to see a Batman movie or Amy Schumer in “Trainwreck,” how long would you care about the constitutional rights of loser junkies before you did something about it? I’m guessing not long.

    I feel for those who need a gun to feel equal. Like smokers and winos and vaccine resisters, they can’t help needing that feeling they need.

    But their vice doesn’t deserve special treatment, and we’ve let them bully the rest of us into perverting the Constitution just so they can feel good. Where I come from, that’s not just enabling. It’s an infringement on my life and my liberty.

    Willing to bet the op-ed inbox has already reached max.

  73. 73.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    @Iowa Old Lady: Sadly, as he should be. But, he’s also said he’d operated on victims of gun violence,

    but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away.

  74. 74.

    benw

    @Chris:

    It’s become really hard to discuss Republican politics without reference to communist states.

    And in turn, media sources that rely on the fictional middle ground between the parties so that they can peddle all-Americans-want-the-same-thing and both-sides-do-it political journalism without having to do the hard work of actual factual investigative reporting are increasingly unhinged in their attempts to obfuscate the standard Republican party positions (hi, NYT!).

    Also, you forgot “white Christians are the real victims!” and “climate change is a liberal hoax.” in your greatest hits. :)

  75. 75.

    trollhattan

    And on the subject of the Oregon mass murder, it’s truly looking like Adam Lanza redux–mom was an ARDENT gun lover and considered herself and her boy as both having Asperger’s. She was proud of her son’s gun skills and was disdainful of “wannabes” at the gun range who seemed less so.

    Even if she has little to herself, I hope those families sue the holy crap out of her and take away every last scrap of ammo when they’re done.

  77. 77.

    Chris

    @benw:

    And in turn, media sources that rely on the fictional middle ground between the parties so that they can peddle all-Americans-want-the-same-thing and both-sides-do-it political journalism without having to do the hard work of actual factual investigative reporting are increasingly unhinged in their attempts to obfuscate the standard Republican party positions (hi, NYT!).

    Yeah, there’s different brands of ideological blindness. The professional centrists are especially lame because no matter how far they bend over backwards, it doesn’t win them any respect from the teabaggers who continue to call them “the liberal media” and hold them in contempt accordingly. There’s something seriously pathetic about their continued attempts to win the approval of the cool kids.

    Also, you forgot “white Christians are the real victims!” and “climate change is a liberal hoax.” in your greatest hits. :)

    I left a lot out, but “evolution is a liberal hoax” will probably always be the greatest hit to me. It’s the sort of belief that should’ve been buried a hundred years ago, that you expect to find in a failed state with no educational infrastructure. Might as well believe in witches, the flat Earth theory, or that sex with a virgin will cure you of AIDS.

  78. 78.

    Calouste

    Lindsey Graham on asking for help for South Carolina despite voting against help for the states affected by hurricane Sandy:

    “I don’t really remember me voting that way,”

    If Graham actually had any chance of getting the nomination, that would be the “I was before it before I was against it” of 2016.

  79. 79.

    mai naem mobile

    @Germy Shoemangler: I see this all the time. I know I sound like an old fart, but,shit is it too much to ask for you to get off your fucking cell phone so you can serve,me, your customer who indirectly pays your wages??? There’s places I go to where I’ll wait for the competent CSR. And as far as cars, I’ve known more about the last 3 cars I’ve bought than the salesperson and that is not because I’m some kind of car afficiando. I was at a not busy Sears Appliance outlet a couple of years ago looking at dishwashers and they had 3 similarly priced kenmore elite/kitchenaids and I asked the young sales guy what the difference was between them and he told me to look at the labels. Keep in mind one had no label and the second had an illegible label. IMHO,he didn’t want to walk from the service desk to where the dishwashers were.I walked out.

  81. 81.

    Seanly

    I was thinking Lake Fontana in western NC, but it is close to Great Smoky Nat’l Park and Pinchot Nat’l Forest & has very few houses edging the lake. I had to go there to evaluate an EIS for a road along the western edge.
    The story is at least very interesting to me – Lake Fontana Dam was planned pre-WWII to one elevation as part of flood control. State of NC built a new 2-lane road just above the planned lake elevation. Hostilities occurred and elevation of lake was increased to allow for power generation for Oak Ridge* subsequently submerging the new road. Mountain communities served by the road were forced to abandon their small towns. Feds promised to build a new road postwar. NC state built a tunnel to accommodate this future road. In the meantime, feds provided transport across the lake so former residents could visit grave sites (only a portion of the graves were relocated).
    Fast forward to end of war – Great Smoky Nat’l Park is established (or increased? I forget) and goes all the way to the western shore of Lake Fontana.
    The park rangers continue the yearly tradition of transporting the families and descendants of the displaced people to the other side of the lake to honor their ancestors (they have their own name for it in lieu of Memorial Day). The EIS labeled this yearly tradition of the crossing the lake as a new cultural resource which would be impacted by the feds building a road to now provide permanent access. In addition, the road through what is now an almost pristine natural area with mountainous terrain would cost almost a billion dollars for about 6 miles – mostly due to some very large bridges and the overall issues with building in such inhospitable terrain.
    The feds offered a choice to the local governments & state. They could provide an economic stimulus to the area of the current value of the submerged road or try to build the road. Despite some opposition from the now very elderly displaced residents, the local governments elected to get the community money.
    * When I first heard this, I was wondering how the feds knew they would need greater power demands in that area prior to the atomic bomb work. Turns out that was already some aluminum processing capabilities in the area so it was more that excess capacity was built and then utilized for the Manhattan Project later on.
    Sorry for the long post!

  82. 82.

    catclub

    @Chris:

    It’s the sort of belief that should’ve been buried a hundred years ago, that you expect to find in a failed state with no educational infrastructure

    Snopes Monkey trial was about 1929, I think. It was in Tennessee, so the end statement still applies.

  83. 83.

    benw

    @Chris:

    It’s the sort of belief that should’ve been buried a hundred years ago

    Well, I guess its a step in the right direction that a legitimate Republican candidate hasn’t suggested reintroducing primae noctis.

  88. 88.

    Betty Cracker

    Those of you who guessed Lake Lure were right.

    @geg6: Classic case of different strokes. I love it up here; it is beautiful. But I couldn’t live here year-round. It’s too cold already, and I dislike driving on steep hills. I cannot imagine dealing with that in the ice and snow on a regular basis. I’ll stick to my bug and gator-infested swamp.

  89. 89.

    Elizabelle

    @trollhattan: That’s a terrific op ed by Shawn Hubler. I looked at the comments. The commenters are pretty much proving her point. No brain power or constructive comments in evidence in the first 21. One person: “You’re not getting my guns.”

    They seem to all be men. One complains the the SacBee is censoring his posts for name calling. Because he refers to the government as “idiotcrats.”

  90. 90.

    Elizabelle

    @Betty Cracker: Dirty Dancing! Some of it was filmed at Lake Lure.

    Have you been over to Chimney Rock? Love hiking there.

    ETA: And check out Bat Cave. It’s darling.

  93. 93.

    D58826

    I realize this is beating a dead horse but Dr Carson made the following stmt

    Carson also criticized President Barack Obama for saying last week that shootings should be politicized so that politicians will actually take action to address gun violence.

    Politics and the political process is what we use in governing to solve the problems of the country. Heck we even use ‘politics; when we elect people to the church council. Exactly what does this fool think he will be doing if elected president? He can’t spend four years just flying around in AF One

  94. 94.

    Calouste

    @D58826: That is what Carson will be doing. He is, as pretty much all Republicans, running for Head of State, not for Head of Government. But the US President is both.

  95. 95.

    MrSnrub

    @Calouste: Actually, he’s African American. Apparently had an argument with someone he knew at the school, flashed the gun.

    He didn’t have the gun when arrested, cops are looking for it now.

  96. 96.

    MattF

    @D58826: Obama-the-troll wins again. When Obama says anything, wingers just lose what’s left of their already-limited critical abilities. Is Carson going to promise not to politicize, say, religion?

  97. 97.

    Matt McIrvin

    @Chris: “Evolution is a liberal hoax” was buried in the early 20th century. By the 1950s, hardly anyone in the mainstream media or politics was taking creationism seriously. Then it came back, as a tribal marker for the religious right in the 1970s and ’80s. It first reemerged at a time when all sorts of pseudoscientific weirdness was getting respectable press, which probably helped.

  98. 98.

    Another Holocene Human

    @Germy Shoemangler: Oh yes. I hate those ppl, not so secretly.

    But sometimes, there’s a failure to train new people. Training is a wasteful expense. Must economise.

  99. 99.

    Peale

    @D58826:

    Exactly what does this fool think he will be doing if elected president?

    Thinking up ways to make sure that gays don’t get married and women can’t get abortions. You know. Unpolitical stuff.

  100. 100.

    Denali

    I was thinking Fontana Lake also, since it is the only lake that is part of the Smoky Mountains National Park. We kayaked there several years ago and encountered men on a pontoon boat transporting all the apparatus for a pig roast including kegs of beer to the Park side of the Lake. When we mentioned this behaviour to the Park Ranger, he opined that perhaps they were journeying to visit a family grave site. I don’t think this was the case.

    It is a beautiful lake.

  102. 102.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    @MrSnrub:

    I’m wondering if there are some sociology or criminology studies out there that are able to tease out the difference between shootings where the killer is targeting at least one person he knows (as with the Virginia TV station shooting) even if bystanders are also injured/killed, and shootings of total strangers. I would think that the first group would have a lot in common with domestic abusers and the second would have a different set of issues, but I honestly don’t know.

  103. 103.

    Another Holocene Human

    @PaulW: GOP in Florida loathe the courts because they haven’t been able to stock them chock full of RW ideologues despite a decade of R misrule. JEB! fucked the executive agencies but good and of course the Lege is GOPified. Only reason they haven’t done more damage is that some of the Rs are in swing districts and have to appear sane to constituents.

    Redistricting is gonna be funnnnn.

  105. 105.

    MattF

    @Calouste: Except, remember W? He ‘presided’ over the Oval Office, established a dress code, made up nicknames for reporters… and somehow escaped responsibility. It was all Rove, Cheney, and their ilk. But, to note what’s obvious, these were people that W put into positions of authority, and they did vast amounts of damage.

  106. 106.

    Cervantes

    @Elizabelle:

    This week-end, there is the Arts and Crafts Festival near the Lake Lure Inn. Not to mention every Monday night there’s bingo at the Lakeview …

  109. 109.

    Another Holocene Human

    @mai naem mobile: You have no idea what kind of ridiculous bullshit is going on in retail right now. If the young’uns behind the desk seem stressed or disengaged, it’s because they’ve been set up to fail with contradictory dictats, unworkable policies, and the realization that they work for a company that actively screws its customers.

    They don’t bother to do vendor trainings on the stuff they sell anymore, so the flunkies on the floor don’t know! But who cares, customers will look all that up on the internet, right? You said the guy didn’t want to leave the desk. He probably has a reason not to, and it’s probably stupid, but his job hangs on it.

    I did retail 15 years ago and it sucked super hard then but it’s way, way worse now.

  115. 115.

    Chris

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Well, I believe that politics and mainstream media had buried it, but was it also buried in the public mind? Last I checked, 50% or thereabouts of the American public didn’t believe in evolution. Is that, too, something that’s made a rebound lately or was it just a popular prejudice that the elites had agreed not to play to?

  116. 116.

    gogol's wife

    I’ve been too busy to read much BJ lately, but has anyone discussed the Sunday night Masterpiece Home Fires yet? I thought it was damn good, lots of wonderful acting by fierce women, led by Samantha Bond and Francesca Annis. Between this and Poldark, I’m feeling that the Downton withdrawal won’t be quite as painful.

  117. 117.

    JPL

    @gogol’s wife: I enjoyed it enough to see, if the dvd was available yet in the US. It won’t be released until Oct. 31, so I’ll just watch the entire series. lol

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    rikyrah

    GOP-led Montgomery County election board shifts early-voting sites
    By Bill Turque and Joshua Hicks September 22 

    The Republican majority on the Montgomery County Board of Elections, led by an appointee of Gov. Larry Hogan (R), voted Monday to shift two heavily used early-voting sites to less populous locations, prompting Democratic charges­ of voter suppression.

    The board voted 3 to 2 to move early voting from the Marilyn Praisner Community Center in Burtonsville, which serves high-poverty East County communities along U.S. 29, to the Longwood Community Recreation Center in Brookeville, 13 miles to the northwest.

    The panel also shifted early balloting from the Jane Lawton Community Recreation Center in Chevy Chase, about a half-mile from the Bethesda Metro station, to the Potomac Community Recreation Center, on Falls Road, 10 miles to the northwest.

    Unlike on Election Day, when voters must go to their assigned precincts, early-voting sites are open to all voters in the county. More than 8,000 people cast early ballots at the Lawton and Praisner centers in the 2014 general election, more than 20 percent of Montgomery’s total.

    ………………..

    “It’s outrageous,” said County Council member Tom Hucker (D-Silver Spring), who represents Burtonsville and much of East County. “It’s a naked attempt at voter suppression. . . . The intent of the law is that you put these sites at locations where they are going to be maximally effective, without regard to party.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/republican-led-montgomery-election-board-shifts-early-voting-sites/2015/09/22/dc237cb4-613b-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html

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    trollhattan

    @gogol’s wife:
    I’m allowing myself a glimmer of hope our media are less cowed by the Usual Gun Suspects lately. If Gerson is left to label the president’s address “a tantrum” it may be a tell he’s become more effective than they’re comfortable with.

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    Matt McIrvin

    @Chris: It’s hard to say because the long-term polling I’ve seen on this, from Gallup, only goes back to the 1980s, when “scientific creationism” had come back into vogue. Their numbers are super-flat over that whole time, except that in recent years, the fraction of people believing in wholly materialistic evolution by natural selection has been gaining vs. middle-ground “evolution guided by God” positions. The fraction insisting that humans were specially created recently is still pretty much a constant:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

    It’s quite possible that popular belief wasn’t reflected in the views of political and media elites in the mid-20th.

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    MattF

    @rikyrah: Yeah. It looks like there will be some attempt to overturn this, maybe through the legislature. Then we’ll see what Hogan does.

  126. 126.

    Matt McIrvin

    …And, yes, I think the questions Gallup asks are kind of infelicitously worded, but at least they’ve been asking the same questions over a longish period of time, which makes it possible to examine the trend.

  127. 127.

    trollhattan

    @Elizabelle:
    Thanks. I was completely unaware of LBJ’s speech, which could simply double the numbers and be delivered today.

    If guns are to be kept out of the hands of the criminal, out of the hands of the insane, and out of the hands of the irresponsible, then we just must have licensing. If the criminal with a gun is to be tracked down quickly, then we must have registration in this country. The voices that blocked these safeguards were not the voices of an aroused nation. They were the voices of a powerful lobby, a gun lobby, that has prevailed for the moment in an election year.

    Gosh, was the NRA just a wee educational shop in 1968 or had the worm already turned?

  129. 129.

    Another Holocene Human

    @rikyrah: 10 miles away, 13 miles away. Sick.

    Montgomery County was always a hole, but when I was there they put up a facade at being awesome at delivering government services. Not no more, I take it.

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    @Another Holocene Human:

    It was never proven that his “real” motive was to kill his ex-wife, especially since he didn’t actually do it and never said that was his motive.

    There are some psychological similarities to the Columbine killers since you had a sociopath/psychopath luring a kid with serious psychiatric problems into his scheme, but those kinds of “folie a deux” murders are rare enough that it would be hard to draw a specific policy from it. The Hillside Stranglers were a similar pair. I would definitely park Malvo and Muhammad on the serial killer side of the equation, not the mass murderer/spree killer side.

  131. 131.

    Elizabelle

    @trollhattan: The NRA takeover by ammosexuals happened in the 1970s. Probably perking along in the late 1960s …

    Never a bad time to throw TBogg’s always pertinent post into the mix. I was the NRA.

    It was no coincidence that, at this same time (this being early seventies), the NRA changed their focus from hunting programs to promoting gun ownership and defending the 2nd Amendment from imaginary enemies.

    Each trip afield meant running into more men concerned with the idea of shooting but unburdened with any concept of the etiquette of hunting. For an adult, all you needed was the cash to purchase a gun and a hunting license and you were good to go forth and kill.

    The last time my father, my brother, and I hunted together was pheasant hunting in Imperial Valley. …

    …. I used to hunt and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the hell out of it. But I wouldn’t consider attempting it now, in an age where gun-owners lump AR-15’s in with sporting guns. Where a lousy shooter can disguise his inability to shoot with an extended clip that allows him to keep shooting until he finally hits something, anything. Where hunters feel the need for silencers for God knows what reason.

    The NRA has killed off the sportsman with their neglect and replaced him with the gun nut who spends more money on more guns, not out of a desire to feed his family, but to stave off a mythical jack-booted government bogeyman coming to take away those guns. This paranoid vision of America that the NRA sells is why we have the gun violence that we have today, because no sensible gun legislation can be passed because of what the father of one of Elliott Rodger’s victims described as “craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA.”

    The gun nuts who are paranoid about the government and hate the president? That’s what’s commenting at Charlie Pierce’s now. And on the SacBee article trollhattan put up.

    They need their guns because — tyranny.

  132. 132.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Elizabelle: I always find that “tyranny” thing amusing. It was even mentioned by Carson yesterday or today. If the hypothetical tyrannical government sent in a company of Marines, the average ammosexual would soil himself in the two seconds he had left to live, before even reaching his AR-15 knockoff.

  133. 133.

    Brachiator

    @D58826:

    Politics and the political process is what we use in governing to solve the problems of the country. Heck we even use ‘politics; when we elect people to the church council. Exactly what does this fool think he will be doing if elected president? He can’t spend four years just flying around in AF One

    Carson seems to honestly believe in a theocracy, and that there is some inherent synergy between the Bible (fundamentalist style) and free market capitalism. The secular federal government is unnatural and unnecessary.

    No, it doesn’t make a lick of sense. But there you are.

  134. 134.

    lurker dean

    so carson is now endorsing mcmegan’s “rush the shooter” tactic.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-oregon-shooting_5613d305e4b0baa355ad32d6?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000212&te=ThinkProgress

    which reminds me of dougj’s great troll of sully:

    “Believe it or not, there is even a passage in Beowulf involving
    “shooter rushing”, albeit with spears. Hengest briefly loses his mind
    after drinking tainted water and is subdued by a group of unarmed men
    who run at him.”

    https://balloon-juice.com/2012/12/18/yo-bum-rush-the-show/#comment-4066294

  135. 135.

    MattF

    @Another Holocene Human: That’s not quite fair. The decision to close early voting sites was made by Republican-appointed members of a committee, on a party-line vote. Republicans were a majority because the governor is Republican– in contrast to the County government, legislative and executive, which is pretty much all Democratic. The County government was not at all pleased with the committee’s decision and will try to change it.

  136. 136.

    Brachiator

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    There are two nice lady tellers who conduct the transaction, and hand me my receipt. But there is one young man who works there (he seems to only be there in the late morning or early afternoon) who doesn’t give me a receipt. When I asked him for a printout he insisted it can’t be done because it’s a different credit union. When I politely asked for one, he went “tsk!” and wrote out the balance by hand on a piece of paper.

    When it comes to money, deposits and other transactions, there is no such thing as “no receipt,” as far as I’m concerned.

    The suggestion that another poster made that you present a receipt for a similar transaction should be all you need to prompt this person to do the right thing.

    Why can’t people learn how to do their jobs? And has anyone else encountered people who don’t know how to do their jobs, but cover themselves by insisting it’s impossible?

    The employee is not just responsible for his or her own training. It’s up to the management to make sure that staff are trained to do the job.

    If an employee tells me that something is impossible, and I have been accommodated in the past, I would have to ask for a manager or some other person to help me.

  137. 137.

    Elizabelle

    @lurker dean: Oh Gawd. Coffee alert.

    these countries have
    traditionally had among the lowest rates of mass shootings (Anders
    Behring Breivik being a true outlier) of any western countries. It’s
    counterintuitive, but most shooters “freeze” when run at by a group,
    even a group of children,

    Doug’s skills are somewhat wasted in academia …

  138. 138.

    Gravenstone

    @lurker dean:

    so carson is now endorsing mcmegan’s “rush the shooter” tactic.

    Which is the absolute last option that should be considered, per our training. And I can’t express how angry it makes me that we (or anyone) even has to even have “active shooter” training and drills.

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    J R in WV

    @trollhattan:

    This was done, I think in the early 1990s. They actually reduced the budget of the CDC by the however many millions of dollars that had been spent on deaths by gunfire over the past couple of budgetary years. AND banned the scientific study of death by gunfire.

    Like banning the study of virii because invisible demons!!

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