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You are here: Home / Politics / Politicans / Bernie Sanders 2016 / Pre-Debate Open Thread

Pre-Debate Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  October 13, 20157:34 pm| 154 Comments

This post is in: Bernie Sanders 2016, Election 2016, Hillary Clinton 2016, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat

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Official start time is 8:30pm EDT, on CNN. It’s supposed to be broadcast live online, but the CNN-Go app keeps crashing for me. The CNN Facebook link should start at 8pm…

The Guardian is already liveblogging here:

… The contrast between Clinton and Sanders, side-by-side, will be one of the night’s main attractions at the Wynn on the Vegas Strip. But any of the three other candidates onstage – former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley (CV), former Virginia senator Jim Webb (CV) and former Rhode Island governor and senator Lincoln Chafee (CV) – has the potential to seize the conversation and define the evening.

Is Clinton in trouble? Can Sanders expand his appeal? Will O’Malley or Webb have a breakout moment? Will Chafee repeat his calls to pardon Edward Snowden and encourage the US to adopt the metric system? We’ll be answering all those questions and some even more outlandish ones throughout the evening right here, with a cast of characters from Washington and way, way beyond…

Kevin Drum will be liveblogging at Mother Jones here. His pre-debate take:

* Hillary Clinton will of course get a question or 10 about her email server. She’ll give a standard scripted reply, and the others will all shuffle around nervously when asked to respond. They’d love to take a shot at Hillary, but they’ll be reluctant to look like they’re stooges for Republican conspiracy theories.

* Bernie Sanders will be asked if he’s really a socialist. Sigh.

* Jim Webb and Lincoln Chafee will both be asked some version of “Why are you here?” This is actually a fair question since neither seems to be running a serious campaign and neither has even the slightest chance of winning.

* There will be some kind of question about Joe Biden. Everyone will insist that they love Joe and have nothing but the highest regard for him.

* There will probably be some kind of question that dutifully inventories all the conservative complaints about Obamacare and asks what the candidates are going to do about them…

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    I hope the candidates don’t get swallowed up by a black hole.

  2. 2.

    JPL

    October 13, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    I read on the NYTimes that the actual debate starts at 9:00. I am having the same problem connecting to CNN and if it continues, I’ll just go to bed early.

  3. 3.

    22over7

    October 13, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    Ugh. We have company and are going out to dinner. I look to the Juicers for a full rundown.

  4. 4.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    @JPL:

    Ugh. Dems only care about young people who stay up late.

  5. 5.

    David Koch

    October 13, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    So Drum is saying there will be very little substance.

    Well, at least someone remembers the 2007 debates.

  6. 6.

    JPL

    October 13, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    @Baud: The reason that I support you, is that your campaign will be more inclusive.

  7. 7.

    David Koch

    October 13, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    Big winner of tonight’s debate ➡️ Baud.

  8. 8.

    David Koch

    October 13, 2015 at 7:51 pm

    Here’s a pretty cool photo of Hillary moon walking

  9. 9.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    @David Koch:

    Baud 2016: The alternative to none of the above.

  10. 10.

    David Koch

    October 13, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    Good omen? Hillary breaking out the colors

  11. 11.

    Patricia Kayden

    October 13, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    Go Hilary!! Go Bernie!! Go Democrats!! Looking forward to a very civilized, information-laden discussion between two great candidates.

  12. 12.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    October 13, 2015 at 7:55 pm

    I can’t watch the debate because I’m in Toronto for a few days and I don’t think it’s on the TV. They have their own election thing happening, bless their hearts. And I need to be asleep. I’ll get up early and see the highlights. Though if Mr. C. F. Pierce was liveblogging it I might have to stay up for that.

  13. 13.

    burnspbesq

    October 13, 2015 at 7:57 pm

    Currently engaged in the true National Pastime: being on hold with the IRS. Fuck the Republicans in Congress who keep cutting the IRS budget.

  14. 14.

    Peale

    October 13, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    My guess is that 1/2 the questions will be “how will you restore our tattered image around the world”

  15. 15.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:01 pm

    I dunno — I expect the unexpected. First time these candidates on same stage. Great opportunity to sense who they are and how they play off of each other. Good time to see if Martin O’Malley has any sauce for possible VP use or if the others have anything at all to say. Challenge for Hillary will be to be less stiff or defensive. For Bernie, he cannot come off as “get off my lawn”, gramps– No Scolding, Bernie – he also needs to seem that he is comfortable as a leader… both have to — that is what this interview is for… we are interviewing them for a big job.

  16. 16.

    max

    October 13, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    GO CUBBIES!

    max
    [‘Pardon moi.’]

  17. 17.

    piratedan

    October 13, 2015 at 8:02 pm

    well the media is going to be pissed because this debate should actually talk about issues and policy unless the questioners go all Tiger Beat on the Potomac on us. I don’t expect Faux to cover it at all until they can edit and parse it into blatant lies out of context for later use in the general.

  18. 18.

    RK

    October 13, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    All Sanders has to do is be himself and he wins.

  19. 19.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:05 pm

    @burnspbesq:

    My sincere good wishes for that to end…

  20. 20.

    patroclus

    October 13, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubbies are gonna win today!

  21. 21.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    Not smokey at Neighbors Restaurant. Come on down, Pink Snapdragon! Door to beautiful night outside open too. Nice peeps. Food looks good; wine hits the spot.

    262 Cedar Lane
    Vienna VA.

  22. 22.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    Anyone going to follow Trump’s live tweeting?

  23. 23.

    burnspbesq

    October 13, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    @Elie:

    It’s brutal because their music-on-hold is some spacey thing at the intersection of New Age and Smooth Jazz, and it recycles every 90 seconds or so. But I have the Mets game on my iPad.

  24. 24.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:08 pm

    @patroclus:

    Yay oh Yay! Is this it or do they need one more to get into series?

  25. 25.

    Davis X. Machina

    October 13, 2015 at 8:08 pm

    I don’t understand the assumption that this will be a snoozefest-cum-tea party.

    Things will heat up when Mrs. Clinton announces that if elected she’s going to do away with Social Security, and Sen. Sanders will announce that if elected he will seize the commanding heights of the economy in the name of the workers.

  26. 26.

    sparrow

    October 13, 2015 at 8:08 pm

    I’m going to be taking off for Doha just as the debate is getting underway. Bummer — but I booked months ago and didn’t think to check the debate schedule. :( I look forward to the cogent balloon-juice analysis tomorrow morning — er evening –er thursday morning. Whenever I get to India, anyway.

  27. 27.

    JimGod

    October 13, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: If you have CNN in Toronto, you have the debate. Happy Viewing.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    @sparrow:

    Happy travels.

  29. 29.

    JimGod

    October 13, 2015 at 8:13 pm

    @Elie: He can totally be get off my lawn, that’s a big reason people like him. He doesn’t do debate prep or any of that, you’re getting what you’ve been seeing all along on that front.

  30. 30.

    beltane

    October 13, 2015 at 8:14 pm

    @Baud: That’s why Joe Biden isn’t going to be there. We need a backup in the event of a black hole swallowing the other candidates.

  31. 31.

    JimGod

    October 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    @sparrow: They don’t have personalized TVs on this flight? That is not the level of fancy I would be accustomed to on a long ass flight to anywhere!!

  32. 32.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    @MomSense:

    I wonder who does Trump’s hair? It is definitely colored, so somebody does that. Can’t see him using Lady Clairol, wrapping his head in a plastic bonnet then washing it out in the shower. He could lose close to two inches with a good layered cut and it would take a couple of years of his appearance. Shit, alls he is missing right now is a white belt and checkered bell bottoms to fit right into the 70s. Lord, he could lose about 40 lbs also, but the stress is gonna make that hard right now..

  33. 33.

    beltane

    October 13, 2015 at 8:15 pm

    @Patricia Kayden: I hope all attacks are leveled at the Krazy Klown Kaucus and not at each other.

  34. 34.

    JPL

    October 13, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    Congratulations to the Cubs.

  35. 35.

    JimGod

    October 13, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    Pro tip: CNN International is simulcasting CNN domestic for those of you outside the country or like me is a poor grad student and is using a CNN International stream on the Roku player….

  36. 36.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    October 13, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    @JimGod:

    If you have CNN in Toronto, you have the debate. Happy Viewing

    Spoilsport. Canada was my excuse for sitting this one out. It’ll happen whether I watch or not. I’ll catch up tomorrow.
    The one real draw for me is another chance to see Bernie debate. He can be devastating when he gets his back up.

  37. 37.

    Pogonip

    October 13, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    I hope they are asked about the Department of Middle-class Welfare, aka the Department of Defense, and about the near non-existence of real defense.

  38. 38.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    @JimGod:

    Ok. Well, I don’t like that, but I am sure it appeals to some. Again, he is going to be the President of the US. Scolding people is not part of that job, for the most part. Yes, he should be strong, confident but not a fuss budget. That will age him ten years.

  39. 39.

    Betty Cracker

    October 13, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    Lord, David Brock has a tragic haircut.

  40. 40.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    @Elie:

    We will never know because no one wants to take the credit. You never see Trump’s celebrity hair stylist selling product on an infomercial for good reason.

  41. 41.

    Kathleen

    October 13, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    @piratedan: The NPR millennial -near News Bot sneered that the Democratic debate would be “wonky – lots of talk about white papers. Ick” Then she proceeded to make an egregious grammatical error. And I do not hate millennials in the least, but she annoyed the hell out of me, as do 100% of NPR’s political “reporters”.

  42. 42.

    srv

    October 13, 2015 at 8:20 pm

    They should have left Biden’s podium up there for blacklivesmatter.

  43. 43.

    beltane

    October 13, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    I miss Dennis Kucinich.

  44. 44.

    Kathleen

    October 13, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    @max: I’ve been rooting for Not The Cardinals. “Go, whomever, go!”

  45. 45.

    patroclus

    October 13, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    @Elie: They are now in the NLCS against either the Mets or the Dodgers. And if they win that (7-game series), they’ll be in the World Series against the AL champ. Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubbies are gonna win today!

  46. 46.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    Early consensus here is that drinking game should be (1) any time someone calls Bernie a socialist (or asks him if he is one) and (2) any mention of the word Benghazi. Discussion ground to a halt at that point, because just those two could probably have us blind drunk by halftime.

    ETA: Obnoxious Bernie supporter just added: “Any time Hillary says she supports women.”

  47. 47.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:21 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    And I don’t think he has a cool excuse like being an understudy in Hamilton.

  48. 48.

    JPL

    October 13, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Bad barber day.

  49. 49.

    jl

    October 13, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    cup of grain alcohol every time they work in Biden, with a weak tea chaser.

    Man, they must be desperate to juice this thing.

  50. 50.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    @MomSense:

    LOL — no one wants to be part of that, for sure. Maybe he does it himself or his wife.. Maybe one of his bodyguards. Then they tidy up his ear and nose hair afterwards.

  51. 51.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:24 pm

    @Elie:

    I wish they would change up the color. It’s too yellow and clashes with his spray tan.

  52. 52.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:26 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    “Tragic Haircut.” Another one for the growing list of Balloon Juice cool band names.

  53. 53.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:27 pm

    @MomSense:

    Yeah, they ought to pick a color that they can spray on from his head, hair and down his body. One big bronze (?) tone. Easy to maintain too… I wonder if he wears a hair net at night or whether he has ultimate bed head in the morning?

  54. 54.

    SiubhanDuinne

    October 13, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    Just went to CNN page. The headline is Dem candidates in one another’s face for first time.

    Really. “In one another’s face”? It’s probably far from the most annoying CNN locution the evening has in store, but something about the slanginess of that phrase, not to mention the media’s constant gladiatorial narrative of electoral politics, just pisses me off.

  55. 55.

    beltane

    October 13, 2015 at 8:28 pm

    @efgoldman: Last year there was a defunct radio station that played “Beer Barrel Polka” on an endless loop until it was finally taken over by a country music station. The worst part was that my husband would actually listen to the Beer Barrel Polka station on long car rides in an un-ironic way.

  56. 56.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    @patroclus: God that Johnny-Come-Lately-Song makes me nuts.

    Hey hey! Holy Mackerel!
    No doubt about it,
    The Cubs are on their way. (Hey hey!)
    The Cubs are gonna hit today,
    They’re gonna pitch today,
    They’re gonna field today.
    Come what may the Cubs are gonna win today.
    Hey hey! Holy Mackerel!
    No doubt about it,
    The Cubs are on their way.
    They got the hustle.
    They got the bustle.
    The Chicago Cubs have come to play.
    The Chicago Cubs are on their way.

  57. 57.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    @Elie:

    I’m picturing him as a bronde.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:29 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Yeah, that’s awful on many levels.

  59. 59.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    Wolf announces Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Boos from behind me.

  60. 60.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:30 pm

    @MomSense:

    Yeah, I think that works…

  61. 61.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 13, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    @Steeplejack: They are looking for a guitarist.

  62. 62.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Did you decide to go to the watch party?

  63. 63.

    redshirt

    October 13, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    So glad I don’t have CNN.

  64. 64.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    What is wrong with CNNs lighting? The pundits are all farm raised salmon color.

  65. 65.

    JPL

    October 13, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    @redshirt: You can stream it.

  66. 66.

    max

    October 13, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    @Kathleen: I’ve been rooting for Not The Cardinals. “Go, whomever, go!”

    It is very important that what’stherenames do not win!

    max
    [‘On-topic!’]

  67. 67.

    redshirt

    October 13, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    @JPL: No thanks.

  68. 68.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    Hey Hey!

  69. 69.

    srv

    October 13, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    Dana Perino ‏@DanaPerino 1h1 hour ago

    Why do I feel like I’m about to submit to a root canal?

  70. 70.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    “Dem candidates face to face” would have been much better and not “loaded,” so to speak.

  71. 71.

    beltane

    October 13, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    @srv: Why? Because her mouth is full of rot and decay.

  72. 72.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    @raven:

    Thanks for making us nuts too.

  73. 73.

    Betty Cracker

    October 13, 2015 at 8:36 pm

    @Elie: He claims he does it himself; I heard him say so on some talk show way back. I don’t think he could do a layered cut until he emotionally comes to terms with the bald spot which that elaborate combover hides.

  74. 74.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    D’oh! I should have known.

    Actually, “tragic” + [noun] will probably get you any number of bands.

  75. 75.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    @raven:

    Jesus, just stop.

  76. 76.

    srv

    October 13, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    I predict Hillary will be wearing a coral pant suit.

    Drat. Blue mao maternity thingy. She’s going left tonight.

  77. 77.

    Mike in NC

    October 13, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Clearly hoping for something as dignified as a food fight. Idiots at FOX Lite.

  78. 78.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    @srv:

    As a minor cog in the Bush regime, Perino’s appropriate punishment would be to get root canal surgery every week for the rest of her life.

  79. 79.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:40 pm

    What is with the intense percussion CNN is playing in the background?

  80. 80.

    dmsilev

    October 13, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    So I guess now is the moment that Joe Biden crashes the stage in his ‘Vette.

  81. 81.

    patroclus

    October 13, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    @raven: Baseball time is here again! You can catch it all on WGN! So stamp your feet and clap your hands! The Chicago Cubs have the greatest fans! Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubbies are gonna win today!

  82. 82.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    @dmsilev:

    “I brought the beer!”

  83. 83.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 13, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    The Star Spangled Banner? Sheryl Crow? Why?

  84. 84.

    Eric S.

    October 13, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    @Baud:

    6: The alternative to none of the above.

    This is the best of your slogans I’ve seen yet.

  85. 85.

    srv

    October 13, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    I need to go +2 on that Sheryl Crow rendition.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I know. The Dems should have gone with the Hendrix or Marvin Gaye rendition.

  87. 87.

    Zinsky

    October 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    Sheryl Crowe nails the Star Spangled Banner!

  88. 88.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    @Steeplejack: Why, that’s real Cub stuff when Wrigley wasn’t full of front running yuppies and Jack Brickhouse was their voice. Oh yea, Pat Pieper with his great “Tention, Tention please, For Da Cubs. . . “!

  89. 89.

    Jeffro

    October 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    I am sorry but Sheryl Crow just saying the national anthem before what is supposed to be a serious debate ?!?

  90. 90.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    @patroclus: Bah.

  91. 91.

    dmsilev

    October 13, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: As an excuse to cut to commercials.

  92. 92.

    Mike J

    October 13, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    The Star Spangled Banner? Sheryl Crow? Why?

    I don’t mind national anthems in international play, but they’re pretty tiresome in league play.

  93. 93.

    Jeffro

    October 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    @Jeffro: “sang” not “saying”
    Stupid voice critiquing

  94. 94.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    LOL (You and MomSense are just making me laugh).

    Well, there are hair “enhancements” . You are right though. If he unwinds that mess, it might turn out 80% of his head is bare!

    Somehow its symbolic — all of this dyed hair grown exceptionally long and elaborately wound around an essentially bald head and sealed in place with max hold hairspray. All that effort to obscure a reality while faking his followers with false vigor …

  95. 95.

    Zinsky

    October 13, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    CNN is already f*ucking things up with an avalanche of advertising! Gawww….

  96. 96.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    I can’t believe they don’t get bathroom breaks.

  97. 97.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    @Zinsky:

    Hmmm — I think she struggled with it a little bit. Its a tough song, so no shame in that…

  98. 98.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Chafee!!

  99. 99.

    srv

    October 13, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Chafee doesn’t even sound like an American.

    @Baud: We can’t have a President who needs to run to the loo every hour. You going to have a problem?

  100. 100.

    Fair Economist

    October 13, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    Well, I was planning on watching, but apparently not. The CNN-Go just plays the intro and stops maybe 30 seconds into Cooper’s bit. Same thing 4 time in a row.

  101. 101.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    @Baud: Yes. Although my heart is with Baud! 2016.

    Young folks here; probably 40-50 peeps. Sitting with two 20-something guys, one originally from West Virginia. Told them about David Brooks’ column today. Them: who is David Brooks?

    Brandon gets his news from Salon.

    Food’s good, service is friendly, NOT SMOKEY.

  102. 102.

    dmsilev

    October 13, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    “I chaired the Middle East Subcommittee for Four Years!”

    A proven vote-getter.

  103. 103.

    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    Trying to stream it on my Roku, but gad, the stream is terrible. Hope it holds.

  104. 104.

    Aleta

    October 13, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    @efgoldman:
    I prefer Unfortunate Haircut. Or, Haircut Victims

  105. 105.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    @efgoldman: The Tragically Hip.

    Speaking of which: Jim Webb up.

  106. 106.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    News flash, the network can’t handle the traffic.

  107. 107.

    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    Hillary hasn’t had any scandals either, Lincoln. Not real ones.

  108. 108.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Them: who is David Brooks?

    Excellent.

    Brandon gets his news from Salon.

    Hmmmm.

  109. 109.

    Zinsky

    October 13, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    Lincoln Chafee looks like Mr. Haney’s blond brother from Green Acres.

  110. 110.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    Choi Duck, Webb is a badass. . .

  111. 111.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    @efgoldman:

    We have the Tragic Trolls performing right here on a daily basis.

  112. 112.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 13, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    Chafee> I am the only candidate who has ever shoed a horse.

  113. 113.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    @Baud: Gonna find out about Alan next commercial break.

    I wish they’d serve some baklava or something …. tira misu?

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    Zinsky

    October 13, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    Jim Webb should have been a televangelist- Oops! Forgot my daughters name….

  115. 115.

    burnspbesq

    October 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    34 minutes on hold, six minutes to transact business. Lovely.

  116. 116.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Smoky, not smokey!

  117. 117.

    Aleta

    October 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    Webb — I know where my feet are.

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    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    Why are Chafee, Webb and O’Malley running anyway. Book deals?

  119. 119.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: That’s a horrible example, kind of.

    We lived in Rhode Island when John Chafee was governor. His young teen daughter died from a horse kick, while she was grooming it.

    Do any of you remember that?

  120. 120.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    You know, I’m starting to think this is THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN HISTORY!!!

  121. 121.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    @Steeplejack: Thank you. It did not look quite right.

    But not because I could not see from all the smokeyness. (Groan from S-jack.)

  122. 122.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    Real debate thread upstairs.

  123. 123.

    raven

    October 13, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    @Elizabelle: NO

  124. 124.

    Baud

    October 13, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    @raven:

    Until the next one.

  125. 125.

    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    @raven: I think 2008 was the most important election ever.

    But this one’s pretty close.

  126. 126.

    burnspbesq

    October 13, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    Dodgers have the same 3-0 lead that they couldn’t hold last night.

  127. 127.

    dmsilev

    October 13, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    @Emerald: O’Malley was originally running as Not-Clinton. Unfortunately for him, Sanders happened.

  128. 128.

    MomSense

    October 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    https://twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/654088645410951168

  129. 129.

    beltane

    October 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    @Elizabelle: I never heard that, not surprising since I’m not from Rhode Island. It is a sad story.

  130. 130.

    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    @dmsilev: Makes sense.

  131. 131.

    Steeplejack

    October 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Hey, numbnuts, aren’t you from Rhode Island? And therefore supposed to know that it’s one-F Chafee!

    ETA: My apologies. Rechanneling anger from the Berniac. I don’t have a problem with the Bernie love, but she’s one of those “I will never vote for Hillary ever!” people. I’m about to go all “Well, good luck with whichever Republican idiot we get in 2017!” on her.

  132. 132.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:57 pm

    Hillary looks good and sounds comfortable.

    Happy with Bernie too.

  133. 133.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 13, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    @Elizabelle: OTOH Chafee worked for years as a farrier.

  134. 134.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    @beltane: I’m pretty sure about it, but I couldn’t find it in John Chafee’s bioi. But we did live there, and it was especially awful because I was so young too.

    Gin and Tonic or EFGoldm… you remember that?

  135. 135.

    magurakurin

    October 13, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    Sanders is too much doom and gloom. He’d lose 48 states.

  136. 136.

    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    Already seeing a major difference between Hillary and Bernie. Bernie coming across as angry, negative. Hillary looks positive.

    My immediate first impression, anyway.

  137. 137.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Anderson looks kind of smart Brit with his glasses.

    Vibe is so diff on this one from the clown car.

  138. 138.

    magurakurin

    October 13, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    @Emerald: Yes, someone needs to tell Sanders that there is a Democratic in office right now.

  139. 139.

    Zinsky

    October 13, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Is anyone more qualified than Hillary Clinton to be President of the United States? I mean, really? Who would it be?

  140. 140.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Don’t put on the gloves, Anderson.

    But a good question, and I don’t mind if minds change with circumstances. Ask Kasich if he’s down with everything Goldman or Lehman did?

    But tough questions.

  141. 141.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    @Zinsky: Barack Obama. Bill Clinton. Jimmy Carter.

  142. 142.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    To me Bernie came off harsh and scolding. Jeremiah. Scolding.

    Hillary was great — her seasoning and experience so far shines

    Martin O’Malley has an unfortunate voice

    Webb came across pretty confident and chuckled at himself for muffing his kids names (lots of names)

    Lincoln Chaffee – solid but boring…

  143. 143.

    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    @magurakurin: Most of Bernies seriously “berning” supporters hate Obama, so that would explain it.

    Not a good strategy for winning the Democratic primary, or the general election, imho.

  144. 144.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    Bernie, it can’t be all bad, man. You have to say something positive. You are following a democratic administration — the first black President. Nothing to say?

  145. 145.

    magurakurin

    October 13, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    Damn, Anderson just berned him.

  146. 146.

    magurakurin

    October 13, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    Clinton picks up the ball…Bernie sucks.

  147. 147.

    Emerald

    October 13, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    I’m thinking that Biden was waiting for this debate to see how Hillary does. Sure, he wants to be president, but I think he wants far more for a Democrat to win.

    If she keeps up this performance throughout the debate, I’m gonna bet that Biden doesn’t get in.

    Pure emotional speculation on my part.

  148. 148.

    JPL

    October 13, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    I don’t think Bernie can win but I’m glad he’s on stage.

  149. 149.

    Elizabelle

    October 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    New thread.

  150. 150.

    magurakurin

    October 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    are they capitalistic small and medium business, Bernie?

  151. 151.

    Elie

    October 13, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    @JPL:

    Well that is some faint praise but right on, I guess. He is making Hillary sound excellent.

  152. 152.

    Zinsky

    October 13, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    Anderson isn’t asking the debaters questions, he is verbally assaulting them. This is such. a. farce.

  153. 153.

    David Koch

    October 13, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    @Zinsky: maybe DWS had a point about limiting the # of debates.

  154. 154.

    max

    October 13, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    @efgoldman: Tragic Landfill
    Tragic Dump Truck
    Tragic Pixels
    Tragic Camera
    Tragic Microphone
    Tragic Ship’s Wheel
    Tragic Lounge Chair

    Tragic Metafarce.

    max
    [‘Trump is HERE! Go Team Tragic Metafarce!’]

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