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You are here: Home / Politics / Republican Stupidity / This is Genius

This is Genius

by John Cole|  October 17, 20159:31 pm| 400 Comments

This post is in: Republican Stupidity, Clown Shoes, Republican Crime Syndicate - aka the Bush Admin.

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I’m crying:

brilliant

On Friday, Donald Trump generated substantial controversy when he asserted that George W. Bush was president at the time of the 9/11 attacks.

“When you talk about George Bush, I mean, say what you want, the World Trade Center came down during his time,” Trump said. “He was president, O.K.?”

Jeb Bush immediately pushed back, calling Trump’s comments “pathetic” and insisting “my brother kept us safe.”

The media jumped on to the burgeoning controversy. According to The New York Times the idea that Bush was president on 9/11 and failed to stop the attack is a “break from the GOP.”

Was George W. Bush president on September 11, 2001? It’s time to settle this once and for all.

It’s true that, in the presidential election held on November 7, 2000, George W. Bush received fewer votes than Al Gore.

But according to the Associated Press, this is a photo of George W. Bush being sworn in as president on January 20, 2001.

Well played.

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  1. 1.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    I don’t even care anymore if Trump wins. He’s saying things that have not been said in our political game for years – sometimes the truth! And its making all the right people nervous, so, keep going The Donald. Say it all.

    FYI Donald will never win.

  2. 2.

    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford

    October 17, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    He kept us safe!*

  3. 3.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    It’s truly hilarious (with tears) that only Trump can say these things. If it were a Democrat, or anyone else, they’d be dismissed out of hand, and then attacked.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    October 17, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    Taking into account all the evidence, it seems more likely than not that George W. Bush was president on September 11, 2001.

    Still not definitive, though.

  5. 5.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    FYI I saw my first Trump bumper sticker today. Poor design.

    Was on an electrician’s van.

  6. 6.

    Xenos

    October 17, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    Back in the late 90s I used to have arguments with right-wingers about who was president and who was in charge of the Justice Department when Ruby Ridge happened and the first raid was made on the Koresh compound in Waco. They had already decided to blame Clinton for both.

  7. 7.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    @dmsilev: Our crack media needs to conduct an investigation of this controversy.

  8. 8.

    Baud

    October 17, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    Teach the controversy.

  9. 9.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    Maybe George Bush was President but the rubble was naturally occurring.

  10. 10.

    the Conster

    October 17, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    @redshirt:

    Trump is a disruptor. I’m convinced now that the nomination is his to lose, and the extremely weird part of this is that we and his revanchist base are both rooting for him, but for diametrically opposite reasons. Strange times.

  11. 11.

    Corner Stone

    October 17, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    @redshirt:

    I don’t even care anymore if Trump wins. He’s saying things that have not been said in our political game for years – sometimes the truth!

    I think, more and more, that he really is a silent Democrat and just gut punching Jeb and the other crazies. If one day we find out he’s like a brother to Bill Clinton it would not surprise me one bit.

  12. 12.

    Corner Stone

    October 17, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    @redshirt:

    It’s truly hilarious (with tears) that only Trump can say these things. If it were a Democrat, or anyone else, they’d be dismissed out of hand, and then attacked.

    Just like all the Benghazi Cmte BS. It has taken actual Republicans saying it out loud before anyone thought to actually dismiss the witch hunt.
    All 188 House D reps could have went on talk shows and been dismissed.

  13. 13.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 17, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    I can’t find the guy who tweeted (I’m sure there are a few) the other things Jeb’s brother kept safe:
    The US military
    New Orleans
    the labor force
    Your 401-K
    Your home equity
    A budget surplus
    The country’s credibility

    @efgoldman: Just amazing that Jeb$ can call the Idiot Princeling a “great president” and nobody on the set of Morning Joe even blinks

  14. 14.

    gogol's wife

    October 17, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    That is a beautiful piece of satire.

  15. 15.

    the Conster

    October 17, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The US military
    New Orleans
    the labor force
    Your 401-K
    Your home equity
    A budget surplus
    The country’s credibility

    Also, Osama bin Laden

  16. 16.

    gogol's wife

    October 17, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    @the Conster:

    Yes, but not ironically.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    October 17, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    Apparently George W. Bush was President from September 12, 2001 through roughly August 2008.

  18. 18.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    Just like all the Benghazi Cmte BS. It has taken actual Republicans saying it out loud before anyone thought to actually dismiss the witch hunt.
    All 188 House D reps could have went on talk shows and been dismissed.

    Like who’s that congressman from Florida that says a lot of true but “extreme” things? See, I can’t even remember his name. Pretty sure he’s never been on Beat the Press.

  19. 19.

    schrodinger's cat

    October 17, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    MSM is so useless in its job, it has taken someone like Trump to state the obvious truths that have been apparent to anyone paying attention.

  20. 20.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    October 17, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    Trump is a racist, sexist asshole who shouldn’t be allowed within 20 miles of the White House, but at least he’s willing to point to the middle of the room and say, “Your elephant just took a shit on the coffee table.”

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    The fact of the matter is, and this is documented, that the Clinton administration national security team briefed the flock of incoming incompetents that their greatest concern would be terrorism, particularly the bin Laden organization.

    They were blown off, because, hey, Clinton!

  22. 22.

    Jymn

    October 17, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    That’s what you call ‘writing.’ Well played’, indeed.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    October 17, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    It wasn’t even his house.

  24. 24.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: No, they “thought”, contrary to existing evidence that no non-state actors were a threat. So they planned for Iraq.

  25. 25.

    ruemara

    October 17, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    80’s action flicks are so bad they’re good.

  26. 26.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: Yes, he did.

    *for certain values of “safe” that do not include Saudis flying planes into buildings, or New Orleans being flooded, or the economy cratering in the fall of 2008, or thousands of American casualties in a totally illegal war of aggression that was also totally optional, well, unless you’re an executive of Halliburton who needs some hookers and blow.

  27. 27.

    Jeffro

    October 17, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    @redshirt: Only (presidential) campaign sign, sticker, or lawn sign I’ve seen so far is a handmade “TRUMP” sign, nailed pretty high up on a telephone pole in a nice Fairfax, VA neighborhood. It’s gonna be a weird year.

  28. 28.

    mdblanche

    October 17, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    I’m not convinced. If Bush was President on 9/11, then why did he keep reading My Pet Goat that morning? I think it’s obvious the President would have had more important things to do at that moment.

  29. 29.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Hell, they were working on making China the existential threat that would reignite the Cold War mentality that the MIC rode on for 40 fucking years.

  30. 30.

    Elie

    October 17, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    Trump is fooling somebody — question is who? Is he a true Repub insurgent or disruptor? Is he a Democratic tool? Is he a representing an untapped constituency?

    No one has really jumped this guy and landed real blows (other than Carly Fiorina, but lightly without much fuss). Bush has tried but really received the worst of it with each try. I don’t think this guy can be attacked with anger — but derision and laughter might pierce his thin skin. Maybe both sides are hesitant to do it because they think he actually harms the other side and don’t want to stop it?

  31. 31.

    father pussbucket

    October 17, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Maybe George Bush was President but the rubble was naturally occurring.

    Exactly. Buildings have fallen throughout history. We need more evidence.

  32. 32.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    @Jeffro: I’ve seen quite a few Bernie yard signs. The oddest of which is like 5 in 5 consecutive houses – like Bernieville or something.

  33. 33.

    Corner Stone

    October 17, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    They were blown off, because, hey, Clinton!

    Did you just say, “blown” off?
    Because if you did, I haz seen it. And if you didn’t, HAHAHAHAHA.

  34. 34.

    Feudalism Now!

    October 17, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    They removed all the W’s from the White house keyboards though. So they had to ignore anything they said.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    October 17, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @Elie:

    No reason for Dems to go after Trump in particular, as far as I can see.

  36. 36.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    October 17, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @ruemara:

    That’s one of the things that makes “Hot Fuzz” such an awesome movie — the filmmakers know that the 80s action flicks they love are bad movies and they just don’t care.

  37. 37.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    @redshirt: Were they like Burma shave signs?

  38. 38.

    Ken

    October 17, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    @dmsilev: Nah, he checked out long before August 2008.

  39. 39.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Cool, an oldster reference I don’t get! Please explain it to this spring chicken.

  40. 40.

    Jeffro

    October 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    @redshirt: At least they all know they can easily borrow a cup of sugar from their neighbors if needed, right?

  41. 41.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    @Corner Stone: Double entendres are wonderful things, n’est ce pas?

  42. 42.

    benw

    October 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    9/11 attack – Clinton’s fault
    Anthrax attacks – some weirdo scientist’s fault
    Iraq war – hippie protestors and eventually Obama’s fault
    Hurricane Katrina – black people’s (esp. Kanye West’s) fault
    housing bubble – Democrats’ (forcing banks to give bad loans to minorities) fault
    2008 economic crisis – Obama’s fault

    Republicans: your party of personal responsibility.

  43. 43.

    dmsilev

    October 17, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    @Feudalism Now!: A high school classmate of mine was a White House intern at the beginning of the Clinton administration, and she told me once that the outgoing Bush people pulled keys off keyboards, left gremlins in the computer network so that “Bush rules; Clinton sucks” would pop up at random intervals, etc.

    That’s H.W. Bush, you know, the adult and serious one.

  44. 44.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    @redshirt: Burma-shave roadside signs.

  45. 45.

    Shana

    October 17, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    @Jeffro: In my local grocery, in Oakton, VA (a high income area of Fairfax County for those of you outside the DC area) I saw a Carly bumper sticker today. Extremely weird.

    Also, am I the only one who went to the link provided and expected it to be The Onion?

  46. 46.

    Baud

    October 17, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    How old are you?

  47. 47.

    Felonius Monk

    October 17, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    @mdblanche:

    then why did he keep reading My Pet Goat that morning?

    He was waiting for clean underwear to be flown in from the White House.

  48. 48.

    Jeffro

    October 17, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    @benw:

    2008 economic crisis – Obama’s fault

    you meant, time-traveling Obama’s fault

  49. 49.

    currants

    October 17, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    @redshirt: I have seen several Trump lawn signs. In Massachusetts. I’d like to think they’re tongue-in-cheek, but … Scott Brown.

  50. 50.

    the Conster

    October 17, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    A Bernie v. Trump election would be fun to watch happen in a parallel universe because it would be a campaign of true believing insurgents on both sides, but, in this reality – DO.NOT.WANT.

  51. 51.

    the Conster

    October 17, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    @currants:

    Trump was just in Tyngsborough campaigning – the town has gone Republican in every presidential election.

  52. 52.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    @Baud: Heh, ageless. My parents told me about those signs, dad was born in 1919 and mom in 1926.

  53. 53.

    Corner Stone

    October 17, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Latin in your nym and French in your answers? First against the wall, amigo.
    …oh, shit.

  54. 54.

    Brachiator

    October 17, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    @redshirt:

    The Donald. Say it all.

    I feel so conflicted. Trump is such a jerk and obviously should not be elected to any office of trust in the United States.

    But damn, I love how he keeps putting a foot to the GOP’s collective ass.

    ETA: good point that Trump apparently cannot be swift boated.

  55. 55.

    Elie

    October 17, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    @Baud:

    I don’t disagree — just don’t know where the Trump impact will be the most destructive. I don’t think anyone else knows either.

  56. 56.

    Felonius Monk

    October 17, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Burma Shave Boogie

  57. 57.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    @Brachiator: He won’t be elected, so enjoy it. That’s what I’m doing.

    And if he gets elected? We deserve it.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    October 17, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    @the Conster:

    The Village would go on such a bender if that happened.

  59. 59.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    @dmsilev: So, it seems, the story of the missing W keys was pure projection on the part of the incoming minions of the deserting coward.

    I’m shocked, shocked! to learn this.

  60. 60.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Burma-shave roadside signs.

    I prefer the “His Master’s Voice” early radio ad campaign. ;)

  61. 61.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    @the Conster:

    A Bernie v. Trump election would be fun to watch happen in a parallel universe because it would be a campaign of true believing insurgents on both sides, but, in this reality – DO.NOT.WANT.

    I would LOVE to watch this election on some supercomputer simulation.

  62. 62.

    Penus

    October 17, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    @father pussbucket: I saw a building standing up the other day, all on its own. Tell me again about how terrorists are taking down our buildings.

  63. 63.

    Felonius Monk

    October 17, 2015 at 10:22 pm

    @redshirt: Burma Shave Signs

  64. 64.

    Roger Moore

    October 17, 2015 at 10:22 pm

    @redshirt:

    Cool, an oldster reference I don’t get!

    Burma Shave used to advertise with series of signs that would make a rhyming couplet, followed by one last sign that said “Burma Shave”. An example:

    Your beauty, boys
    Is just
    Skin deep
    What skin you’ve got
    You ought to keep
    Burma Shave

  65. 65.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:22 pm

    @Baud: With any luck at all, there would be heavy fatalities from alcohol poisoning.

  66. 66.

    rikyrah

    October 17, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    I find this hilarious. Trump just slaps Jeb coming and going.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    October 17, 2015 at 10:24 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    One of my early experiences with Fox’s lies was when they reported that those claims were verified by the GAO or inspector general or someone — and they even had pictures!

    Of course, Fox didn’t actually show those pictures, which was a pretty big tell that they were lying out their ass about the whole thing.

  68. 68.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 17, 2015 at 10:24 pm

    Michael Grunwald ‏@ MikeGrunwald Oct 16
    This is great. Now Trump should blame Lehman Brothers for the financial crisis and see if Jeb takes the bait.

    I wonder how many Villagers would get that?

  69. 69.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    October 17, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    @Elie:

    I think it’s because (a) Republicans aren’t funny, so they can’t deploy humor effectively and (b) they’re afraid that if the country starts laughing at the ridiculousness of Republicans, they’ll never stop. And as Stephen Colbert proved at the White House Correspondents Dinner, there is nothing these guys and their enablers hate more than being laughed at.

    ETA I hate autocorrect.

  70. 70.

    Xenos

    October 17, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    @Baud: Burma-Shave jokes were often used in late-60s era Mad Magazine segments. I asked my silent generation parents, and they explained it to me.

    So even some of us who are not so old (not 50 yet!) know the “Burma Shave” punchline.

  71. 71.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: None of them Katie.

  72. 72.

    currants

    October 17, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    @the Conster: These were in Needham and Plum Island. Also in the latter locale a bumper sticker on a MA licensed car, “NOT A LIBERAL.” Made me want to get a “Even More Liberal Than You Imagine” bumper sticker. Only in fewer words.

  73. 73.

    different-church-lady

    October 17, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    Taking into account all the evidence, it seems more likely than not that George W. Bush was president on September 11, 2001.

    Well, time to suspend Tom Brady again.

  74. 74.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    Judd Legum is a good egg.

  75. 75.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    @efgoldman: No.

  76. 76.

    Brachiator

    October 17, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Only (presidential) campaign sign, sticker, or lawn sign I’ve seen so far is a handmade “TRUMP” sign, nailed pretty high up on a telephone pole in a nice Fairfax, VA neighborhood.

    Maybe this was a Halloween decoration.

  77. 77.

    Ken

    October 17, 2015 at 10:27 pm

    He kept us safe
    On nine-one-one
    Except for
    Three thousand
    Dead and gone
    Burma Shave

    (Too soon?)

  78. 78.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    @different-church-lady:

    Well, time to suspend Tom Brady again.

    Is it a day ending in ‘y’?

  79. 79.

    JPL

    October 17, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Maybe Kasich will defend Bush.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    October 17, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Oh God. How many kids are going to dress up as Trump this year?

  81. 81.

    Roger Moore

    October 17, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @Jeffro:

    you meant, time-traveling Obama’s fault

    Not at all. Once it became obvious that Obama would win, Wall Street panicked, causing the financial crisis.

  82. 82.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    I got fooled by one of those “CO-EXIST” bumper stickers the other day, because I could make out the “Don’t Tread on Me” sticker from afar, so immediately judged them, but it looked like they had a co-exist sticker right next to it, which intrigued me. But when I got close enough, it said “CAPITALISM” and the driver was all in camo, texting, and the world made sense.

  83. 83.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Maybe Israel was involved. They are leaders in producing (Palestinian) rubble. (h/t The Onion.

  84. 84.

    the Conster

    October 17, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    @Elie:

    Yeah, everyone’s watching Trump with a mixture of horror and amusement, because he himself has no idea where he’s going with all this. He’s gotten this far to his own amazement, and there’s no incentive for him to change anything no matter what happens, which he couldn’t do even if he knew how or what to change. He’s going to take the other candidates on one by one and it’s hard not to root for him, and injuries.

  85. 85.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 17, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    Does your Donald misbehave
    Grunt and grumble
    Rant and rave?
    Shoot the brute some
    Burma-Shave

    (Strictly from memory. Scary.)

  86. 86.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): For an example, see Richard “That’s not funny!” Cohen.

  87. 87.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    October 17, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    @dmsilev:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a certain amount of pranking between administrations was traditional. But, of course, the thin-skinned Bushies had to blow it out of proportion because they were NOT TO BE MOCKED, DAMN IT!

  88. 88.

    catclub

    October 17, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    @Roger Moore: You can do
    a mile a minute
    but there ain’t
    no future in it.

    Burma Shave

  89. 89.

    benw

    October 17, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    @Jeffro:
    you meant, time-traveling Obama’s fault
    Not at all. Once it became obvious that Obama would win, Wall Street panicked, causing the financial crisis.

    Yes, this is the logic. But, let’s speculate and say Obama does have a time machine. Why doesn’t he go back in time and kill Hitler? The Holocaust is also time-traveling Obama’s fault!

  90. 90.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    @efgoldman: Howie Carr is the original Duck Dynasty fake sauce. He’s a WASP of means and breeding. There’s a photo of him and his family that is quite similar in tone to the photos of the Duck fucker clan before the teevee show. Of course they are Southern nobility so it’s pose prepped up on a beach whereas stick up your anus Yankee WASPs go for the indoor, stuffy posed Sears style photo op. His name is Howard Louis Carr, Junior.

  91. 91.

    the Conster

    October 17, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    @currants:

    I live in Needham now – in early September I was behind a car with a Perry 2016 bumper sticker. Our representative is Joe Kennedy III, so we have our wingnut crackpots with more money than brains. But Perry? Really???

  92. 92.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    @benw: Look, he went back in time and told Judas that if he just passed on one small bit of information about Jesus, he could make 30 quick pieces of silver.

  93. 93.

    Starfish

    October 17, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    @dmsilev and Feudalism Now!: The deal about the “W” keys was at least mostly make believe.

  94. 94.

    Ken

    October 17, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    @Baud:

    How many kids are going to dress up as Trump this year?

    Sexy Donald Trump.

    (I just made that up, and have no intention of googling it to find out if it exists, because (1) it does, by Rule 34, and (2) I’ll have to dig out my optic lobe with a spoon so that I’ll never be able to see the pictures again even in memory.)

  95. 95.

    sukabi

    October 17, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    @Baud: don’t think Trump is the worst choice of the bunch they could pick for dressup…they could go for a cross dressing Huckabee.

  96. 96.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    October 17, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    @Xenos:

    They have Burma Shave-style signs in “Cars” and at Cars Land at Disney’s California Adventure, so the joke lives on for new generations.

  97. 97.

    different-church-lady

    October 17, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    @benw: Decisions, decisions… do I go with the “Percival Dunwoody, Idiot Time Traveler from 1909” link or the Louis CK time machine link…

  98. 98.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    @Ken: burn!

  99. 99.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: because 1) Clinton
    2) Condi Darth Cheney etc couldn’t conceive of independent actors without the help of nation-states. (Maybe a bit of racism in this; the furriners couldn’t do things on their own).

  100. 100.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    @Corner Stone: You know the French. The problem with them is that they have no word for entrepreneur.

  101. 101.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 17, 2015 at 10:39 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Jesus, that column ought been EvenTheLiberalRichCohen’s epitaph. I haven’t read it in years, and it’s as bad as I remember.

    “First of all, I’m a funny guy”. If you’re funny , people will say that about you. You won’t need to say it.

  102. 102.

    Joel

    October 17, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @ruemara: Just an FYI.

  103. 103.

    benw

    October 17, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Nice. Then he went forward in time and found a horrific subterranian race feeding on a peaceful race of surface dwellers and said “yup, all good here!”

  104. 104.

    Schlemazel

    October 17, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @Ken:
    Sexy Trump . . . urp . . . ah . . . urp
    would that include an orange fright wig murkin?

    excuse me I have go go throw up some more

  105. 105.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @the Conster: Not a lot of real local hate and resentment mongers on the airwaves so they go for the national stuff, especially national cable station Fox News. So of course they’re fellating a Tex-ass politician though they are still nominally living in Massachusetts. What’s the world coming to? &so on &so forth.

  106. 106.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 17, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    @ThresherK (GPad): when he admitted after the Iraq War was became a quagmire that he supported the war not because Colin Powell had persuaded everyone but fools and Frenchmen (see, funny!), or because Tony Blair had made the “humanitarian case” so well (his prewar reasons) but because he needed some “therapeutic violence” after having watched 9/11 on TeeVee, that should have been the end of his career. But he was speaking for a lot of people, especially people who write columns for the Washington Post and the NYT.

  107. 107.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    @p.a.: Condi was a U.S.S.R. expert.

    Let me repeat that. Condi was a U.S.S.R. expert. Full stop.

  108. 108.

    benw

    October 17, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    @different-church-lady: Both please!

  109. 109.

    scav

    October 17, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    Don’t stick your elbow
    out so far
    it might go home
    In another car
    Burma Shave

  110. 110.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    I really wanted the Gators to beat LSU because everyone said LSU was favored, but it’s not looking good for the Gators right now, y’all.

    I would have ignored the game but my neighbors scream every time there’s a big play.

  111. 111.

    Brachiator

    October 17, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    @Baud:

    Oh God. How many kids are going to dress up as Trump this year?

    They’ll be the ones with the yooooge trick-or-treat bags. Room for lots of candy.

  112. 112.

    Smiling Mortician

    October 17, 2015 at 10:47 pm

    @gogol’s wife: It’s not satire. It’s a rational (and witty, yes) response to Poe’s Law. The looped-once-around-the-sun satire from Trump v. Bush came to them pre-packaged.

  113. 113.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    @Brachiator: Yoooooge and very classy.

  114. 114.

    ruemara

    October 17, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): And Hot Fuzz is so damned good.

  115. 115.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    When your aim’s
    To impress
    Don’t look
    Like a mess

    BurmaShave

  116. 116.

    Roger Moore

    October 17, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @Ken:

    I just made that up, and have no intention of googling it to find out if it exists

    It does. It isn’t as bad as you’d think. It’s just a Trump hat and a “suit” with short shorts instead of pants.

  117. 117.

    different-church-lady

    October 17, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    @benw: coming right up:

    http://boingboing.net/2013/07/10/tom-the-dancing-bug-super-fun-9.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmCjhEa20lE

  118. 118.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 17, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    @ThresherK (GPad): Kinda like having to assert you’re the King. If you have to do that, you’re in a world of hurt as a King.

  119. 119.

    gogol's wife

    October 17, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @ruemara:

    I want to watch Hot Fuzz right now.

    hag — fascist

  120. 120.

    Smiling Mortician

    October 17, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    @redshirt: Vivid. And terrifying. And normal.

  121. 121.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    If your cooter
    Could be cuter
    Give it a shave
    For your suiter

    BurmaShave

  122. 122.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: I have no idea what you’re referring to. Burma Shave?

  123. 123.

    Smiling Mortician

    October 17, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    @redshirt: No. To your story about the texting guy in camo with the contradictory bumper stickers. The comment I linked to.

  124. 124.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    @efgoldman: maybe Burma Shave advertised in Screw magazine?

  125. 125.

    seaboogie

    October 17, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Remember them accusing the outgoing Clinton staffers of taking all the Ws off the computer keyboards?

  126. 126.

    catclub

    October 17, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    @efgoldman: Bobbing their hair, dancing the charleston, those modern girls.

    ETA: also, suitor.

  127. 127.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 17, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    @p.a.: It’s suitor, Robbie Burns.

    But now I so wanna see it Photoshopped.

    Hey, how many kids going as Trump will say about their mom what he said about his daughter?

  128. 128.

    benw

    October 17, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    @different-church-lady: Thanks! I won’t even judge you for being “different”.

  129. 129.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    @Smiling Mortician: Without quotes, there’s no way to tell.

    Hopefully this is one of the many issues resolved with the immanent upgrade.

    Yeah, that guy was a piece, but is it even surprising anymore? The bumper stickers didn’t contradict, they just were made to appear that way.

  130. 130.

    Chris

    October 17, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I feel so conflicted. Trump is such a jerk and obviously should not be elected to any office of trust in the United States.
    …
    But damn, I love how he keeps putting a foot to the GOP’s collective ass.

    I really don’t see a downside. If he’s not the nominee, he’s not the nominee and we don’t need to worry about him. If he is the nominee, well, it’s not like we didn’t know any post-Reagan Republican candidate wasn’t going to be a complete lunatic and psychopath anyway. Trump’ll be no worse than any of the rest of them.

    In the meanwhile, he’s waging a scorched earth campaign against the Republican Party establishment, and that’s a service to mankind.

  131. 131.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    @efgoldman: That’s too bad. Big flurry of activity a few minutes ago as people drove home from their football watching parties. Also all but a bicycle traffic jam … it’s Gainesville.

  132. 132.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    Annnnnd there goes the fuzz.

    And another.

    C’mon, people.

  133. 133.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    @Chris:

    Trump’ll be no worse than any of the rest of them.

    Scarily, Trump is easily the best of them. Mind you, I want nothing to do with any Republican, but he’s the only one who’s not a blind, dogmatic ideologue. As such, if somehow he were elected, I could easily seeing him buck some Republican trends (but not others).

  134. 134.

    seaboogie

    October 17, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    @seaboogie: guess I should read thru all the comments first – but we do seem to be of like mind in responses…

  135. 135.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 17, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    Headline:

    Trump Makes Factual Statement, Confuses Conservatives and Liberals.

    …

    What was telling was watching the Bloomberg ‘journalist’ contradict Trump’s factual statement.

    Anyone else notice Bloomberg.com taking a weird hard right turn after Michael Bloomberg took back the reigns of his media empire?

  136. 136.

    Corner Stone

    October 17, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    @p.a.: You are an Angel, holding forth amongst lesser beings.
    Thank you.

  137. 137.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    I really hate those *er* *or* nouns.

  138. 138.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: Burma-shave.

  139. 139.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    @redshirt: But he’s also unpredictable, and if his shit stinks, the GOP voters who brought us to this pass can call him a RINO and put off the day of reckoning with their consciences even longer.

    The man is a yoooooge narcissist and intensely self interested and I do not trust him for a minute. If he says something true, it is only because he finds it useful. This is no earnest Arnold. This guy is a smiling crook.

    You know who my pick is? Marco Rubio, not because he’s not a liar, a crook, a con, a coward, a do-nothing check-casher, and a conservative darling. He is all those things. But he is a fucking babe in the woods as a politician, a hothouse flower who would flop around ineffectively. If God smites us with a GOPer POTUS and GOP Congress we could only pray that Minerva would so favor us with such a foolish foe who would quickly mire himself into an untenable position vis a vis his own party, thus, constraining his potential for damage.

  140. 140.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 17, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    As the token Bernie supporter in Clinton-land here, I have to note:

    A Bernie v. Trump election would

    … be an easy win for Bernie.

  141. 141.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    @p.a.: who cares, they’re Indo-European cognates and despite the archaic spelling conventions in our dialect of English the vowel in question is pronounced exactly the same.

  142. 142.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    Link to BS jingle archive

  143. 143.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    @Thoughtful Today:

    As the token Bernie supporter…

    Now you’re going to insult the other Sanders supporters on this blog(yes, you’re not the only one); smooth move.

  144. 144.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Based on what? Elections are won on turnout, so what specifically do you think makes it “easy”?

    I volunteered for Obama in 2012. To me, that felt like a lot of hard work. YMMV.

  145. 145.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 17, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: nothin’ but class, that one (I finally read the T_T flameout thread earlier to day)

  146. 146.

    magurakurin

    October 17, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @Thoughtful Today:

    After yesterday I’m pretty sure you are a paid shit stirrer.

    FIDO

  147. 147.

    p.a.

    October 17, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: I do like to comply with (grammatical) conventions.

  148. 148.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    But he’s also unpredictable, and if his shit stinks, the GOP voters who brought us to this pass can call him a RINO and put off the day of reckoning with their consciences even longer.

    The man is a yoooooge narcissist and intensely self interested and I do not trust him for a minute. If he says something true, it is only because he finds it useful. This is no earnest Arnold. This guy is a smiling crook.

    You know who my pick is? Marco Rubio, not because he’s not a liar, a crook, a con, a coward, a do-nothing check-casher, and a conservative darling. He is all those things. But he is a fucking babe in the woods as a politician, a hothouse flower who would flop around ineffectively. If God smites us with a GOPer POTUS and GOP Congress we could only pray that Minerva would so favor us with such a foolish foe who would quickly mire himself into an untenable position vis a vis his own party, thus, constraining his potential for damage.

    I disagree entirely.

    While first stating all Republicans suck and none of them should ever hold any office….

    Rubio’s “hot house flower” status would just make him putty in the hands of those behind the scenes. And we know who they are and what they want, and that’s exactly what Rubio would become.

    Whereas Trump seems to define himself, and that includes defining himself against other billionaires and power brokers. So I think we’re seeing mostly the real Trump now. I suspect he’s far more liberal than he’ll acknowledge for obvious reasons. He’s not a True Believer at least and that’s enough to make him the least worst of this truly terrible bunch.

  149. 149.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    @magurakurin:

    After yesterday I’m pretty sure you are a paid shit stirrer.

    FIDO

    It’s RtR’s negative universe double.

    What does FIDO mean?

  150. 150.

    ruemara

    October 17, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Oh Please. This isn’t Clinton land because we have questions of Bernie. This is hardly even Clinton friendly. God, do you people comprehend how ridiculous you sound with this absolutist bullcrap? Can we get the months of the primary to make decisions and learn about the candidates or should we swear fealty and offer our lives to the godking divine so he can save our souls right now?

  151. 151.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 17, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    If any Samuel Fuller fans are awake, “The Baron of Arizona” is starting on TCM, starring Vincent Price.

  152. 152.

    TG Chicago

    October 17, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: In a way, they were right. 9/11 was awful, but most of the negative things that came out of it were self-inflicted. More Americans have died in the subsequent invasions than died in the attacks. More money was spent in those invasions than in the cleanup of the attacks. And America’s esteem in the global community actually went up after 9/11 before going way down after making a mess of Iraq.

    That’s why it’s silly for wingers to try to pin the attacks on Clinton (well, one of the reasons). Even if the attack actually had been due to Clinton’s negligence, you can’t pin the failure of Iraq on anybody but Bush. And that is a bigger failure than any single terrorist attack ever could be.

  153. 153.

    Belafon

    October 17, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: You might need to talk to Kay about your “token Bernie supporter” status.

  154. 154.

    catclub

    October 17, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    I think I am on the side of the Latino Activists who oppose NBC letting Trump host SNL – after they (NBC) claimed to have cut all ties this past June over his remarks about Mexican immigrants.

  155. 155.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @TG Chicago: Indeed. Iraq 2 was the kind of epically bad decision history classes will look upon hundreds of years from now and go yep, that’s when it ended and everything started rolling back.

    See, Carrhae.

  156. 156.

    Elie

    October 17, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    @ruemara:

    Don’t waste your energy, Rue… really. This is not someone to have a conversation with… just move along and save yourself some time…

  157. 157.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    @catclub: Trump is hosting SNL?

  158. 158.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    @TG Chicago: If you talk to a Republican, they’ll tell you Iraq would have been fine if Obummer hadn’t taken our the troops. Of course, they forget that Bush negotiated the SOFA, and seem to think that we can keep troops there forever. You know it’s just like Korea or Germany.

  159. 159.

    raven

    October 17, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    Weird 9-6 win over Mizzou. Better than a 9-6 loss.

  160. 160.

    Anoniminous

    October 17, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    @sukabi:

    cross dressing Huckabee

    Thanks for nothing for THAT image!

  161. 161.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    @raven: Watching UW play the Fighting Fashion Nightmares.

  162. 162.

    srv

    October 17, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    It’s getting real:

    The Secret Service is extending protection to GOP presidential contenders Donald Trump and Ben Carson, while beefing up Dem front-runner Hillary Clinton’s security, according to a report from Newsmax on Saturday.

    Trump and Carson will receive agents as early as next week, with each candidate being assigned approximately two dozen agents. The report cites a source close to the agency’s planning.

  163. 163.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 17, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Now, now, Bill, I get that you want to start a fight, but even for you that’s especially trollish.

  164. 164.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 17, 2015 at 11:53 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Just the facts. Just like last night.

  165. 165.

    redshirt

    October 17, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Congrats on making everyone hate Bernie. You’re doing a smash up job proselytizing.

  166. 166.

    different-church-lady

    October 17, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: And tomorrow night. And all next week. And…

  167. 167.

    different-church-lady

    October 17, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    @redshirt: If Bernie ever comes out against his supporters, he’s got my vote.

  168. 168.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:01 am

    @ruemara:

    “do you people” is a phrase I try to avoid as it usually means I’m making assumptions about groups that are unwarranted.

    ^ … I should add, that’s essentially what I was just accused of.

    … and yet just look at the haters here who feel a need to come after me anytime I say anything positive about Bernie.

  169. 169.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:05 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    … and yet just look at the haters here who feel a need to come after me anytime I say anything positive about Bernie.

    Gosh, it’s such a rarity!

  170. 170.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:06 am

    @Belafon:

    Hooray! … 2 of us?

    Nonetheless, I find I’ve skimmed threads I wasn’t even a part of and found myself mentioned as the ‘Bernie'[insert-belittling-term].

  171. 171.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:07 am

    @Elie:

    Please. (As in, I agree, please ignore me.)

  172. 172.

    sukabi

    October 18, 2015 at 12:07 am

    @Anoniminous: you’re welcome.

  173. 173.

    MomSense

    October 18, 2015 at 12:07 am

    Fuck George Dubya Bush and Howie Carr, too!

    Had a great day making cider the old fashioned way. Cider making is quite the workout. Met some rescue donkeys, Korra learned about electric fences for the first time when she wanted at the sheep inside the fence, and finally had a conversation with a man I’ve been waving and smiling at for five years when he walks through the the neighborhood.
    He stopped me today while I was driving to tell me he is moving and that he is going to miss his walks. He likes walking by my house because he always hears laughter coming from inside. Best. Compliment. Ever.

    Oh and kid met and talked with Paul Sherwen today. He said he was funny and very gracious.

    Carry on, juicers. I need some Advil and a heating pad.

  174. 174.

    FlyingToaster

    October 18, 2015 at 12:08 am

    @Thoughtful Today: So, I see we’ve picked up a moonbat troll. Lovely.

    Speaking of trolls, I saw a ¿Jeb? tv ad on NECN this morning, from his Right to Rise PAC. Which I find funny since the only people in Massachusetts watching NECN at 7:28 am on a Saturday are people getting their kids up to go to Saturday courses, and people at work where it’s on.

    The old Republicans in Tyngsboro and Boxboro and New Seabury were already at the Regatta, or at breakfast at a hotel overlooking the river. So the ad must have been aimed at NH, or they’re just wasting their money. Heh.

  175. 175.

    magurakurin

    October 18, 2015 at 12:09 am

    @redshirt:

    I learned it from Raven. Fuck it, drive on.

  176. 176.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 12:09 am

    @Thoughtful Today: Myself, I find it refreshing how Bern-feelers are utterly free of the persecution complex that bedevils so many other candidate’s supporters.

  177. 177.

    raven

    October 18, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @redshirt: Roger that!

  178. 178.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:12 am

    @redshirt:

    Do the Clinton supporters attacking Bernie reflect on Clinton as well?

    Do the Clinton supporters attacking Bernie supporters reflect on Clinton as well?

    For example, while I didn’t join the earlier thread today where Elie repeatedly smeared Bernie, I certainly skimmed through her comments. It was just one smear after another. She even attacked him for being Jewish. Just, wow.

  179. 179.

    gwangung

    October 18, 2015 at 12:12 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    … and yet just look at the haters here who feel a need to come after me anytime I say anything positive about Bernie.

    Y’all should know you make yourself an irresistible target. Can’t resist popping all that self-important hot air.

  180. 180.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 12:14 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    Do the Clinton supporters attacking Bernie supporters reflect on Clinton as well?

    Yes.

    Now will you shut up already?

  181. 181.

    magurakurin

    October 18, 2015 at 12:14 am

    @redshirt:

    It’s RtR’s negative universe double.

    It’s like the Star Trek episode, “The Alternative Factor,” except in this both are insane.

  182. 182.

    Ruckus

    October 18, 2015 at 12:14 am

    @FlyingToaster:
    Conservatives wasting their money, by trying to spin back time, where have I heard that before?

  183. 183.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:16 am

    @Thoughtful Today: No one’s attacking Bernie. They’re mocking you.

  184. 184.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:17 am

    What’s particularly ‘cognitive dissonance’ worthy is the Bernie-haters who will publicly sneer at Bernie, talk trash about his supporters, and then claim Bernie supporters won’t support any other candidate.

    Based on… ?

    I sincerely believe that it won’t be because of all the trollish hate they’ve had to put up with. Hopefully I’m not wrong.

  185. 185.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:18 am

    @Thoughtful Today: TT, what state will you be leading your local Bernieites to victory in? I hope it’s electorally important.

  186. 186.

    Redshift

    October 18, 2015 at 12:18 am

    @Elie:

    I don’t think this guy can be attacked with anger — but derision and laughter might pierce his thin skin.

    I think Obama gave a pretty convincing demonstration of that.

  187. 187.

    James E Powell

    October 18, 2015 at 12:21 am

    I’m still wondering what happened to Rising Republican Star™ Carly Fiorina and her unstoppable charge to the front ranks of the race for the Republican nomination.

    I mean, she called Hillary Clinton a liar and talked back to Donald Trump, what other qualifications does she need?

  188. 188.

    Ruckus

    October 18, 2015 at 12:21 am

    @magurakurin:
    I sometimes wonder if TT and right to retch are the same troll, getting paid by two different, conflicting sources. They both showed up about the same time, they are both obstinately pointed about their subjects, haven’t noticed them answering or even discussing each others comments and they are both obvious trolls.

  189. 189.

    James E Powell

    October 18, 2015 at 12:23 am

    @redshirt:

    Rubio’s “hot house flower” status would just make him putty in the hands of those behind the scenes. And we know who they are and what they want, and that’s exactly what Rubio would become.

    Would become? What is he now?

  190. 190.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:26 am

    I don’t mind the haters and the trolls making personal attacks.

    What does puzzle me is the apparent obliviousness of those haters, trolls, and their supporters.

    Extra amusing: “haters, trolls, and their supporters” is how I see Trump supporters.

  191. 191.

    srv

    October 18, 2015 at 12:27 am

    Berniebros just have one problem: Sanders’ beloved Denmark is a fantastic country – but only because they’d never elect a guy like him to run the place.

  192. 192.

    scav

    October 18, 2015 at 12:28 am

    I’m beginning to wonder if TT is actually a supporter of Sander’s positions or person, but suspect it’s rather more an instumental fashion accessory, a trinket useful for demonstating one’s rare superiority to the common herd. TT’s certainly not attempting to persuade, to put the good of the candidate above her/his own instrumental use of the allegience as a weapon and brand-management gee-gaw. It’s all beginning to read like canned schtick.

  193. 193.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:28 am

    @James E Powell:

    Would become? What is he now?

    No one particularly cares to mold that clay into any particular shape, at this time. But jimminey cricket! If he were to get the nomination…

  194. 194.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:30 am

    @Thoughtful Today: Do you ever answer direct questions? What state will you vote for Bernie in, and how will that influence the national vote overall?

  195. 195.

    Jordan Rules

    October 18, 2015 at 12:33 am

    @Redshift:

    I think Obama gave a pretty convincing demonstration of that.

    Hell, some even posit that the WHCD smackdown is the reason the reality TV weirdo is running.

    ODS is changing the game!

  196. 196.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 12:35 am

    Another “misunderestimation” of a Bush. Keep it up, morons.

    Just remember what happened to you in 2000 and 2004.

  197. 197.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 12:36 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    You’d have to be awfully hypocritical to get offended by personal attacks since you spend most of your time personally attacking other commenters.

  198. 198.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:37 am

    @redshirt:

    You mean ASL questions, no.

    And from what I’ve learned, answering ‘direct questions’ is exactly why I’ve got a hoard of trolls who mention me when I’m not even in the thread.-)

    I’ll assume that won’t include you. …

  199. 199.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 12:37 am

    Alright, which one of you idiots said Beetlejuice three times?

  200. 200.

    FlyingToaster

    October 18, 2015 at 12:38 am

    @efgoldman: I’ve seen them on broadcast, but usually evening 5:30-8. I expect that.

    What I don’t expect is that if they’re really trying to reach the olds, they aren’t blanketing MeTV, Cozi, GetTV, Escape, and Decades (all the broadcast secondary channels) which carry the oldster programming.

  201. 201.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:39 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    You mean ASL questions, no.

    And from what I’ve learned, answering ‘direct questions’ is exactly why I’ve got a hoard of trolls who mention me when I’m not even in the thread.-)

    I’ll assume that won’t include you. …

    So, again, no answer.

    What state will you be voting in? Going door to door for Bernie?

  202. 202.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:40 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Another “misunderestimation” of a Bush. Keep it up, morons.

    Just remember what happened to you in 2000 and 2004.

    Hi RtR. Hope you’re OK. We’ve all been a bit worried about you the last few days, given your absence and, well, the news.

  203. 203.

    Jordan Rules

    October 18, 2015 at 12:40 am

    This is amazing! The timing is just incredible. Thoughtful right to rise today!

    The one true supporter.

  204. 204.

    srv

    October 18, 2015 at 12:42 am

    Her name is ‘Sparkle.’ She operates a drone. She is sick of whiny boys. And she is perfectly OK with dealing out death.

    “When you hit a truck full of people, there are limbs and legs everywhere,” Sparkle said. “I watched a guy crawl away from the wreckage after one shot with no lower body. He slowly died. You have to watch that. You don’t get to turn away. You can’t be that soft girly traditional feminine and do the job. Those are the people who are going to have the nightmares.”

    Who will Bernie Bomb?

  205. 205.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:43 am

    I guess I’ll just say it: I don’t think Thoughtful Today is a USA citizen.

  206. 206.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 12:43 am

    @FlyingToaster:

    Which regatta? The TRR?

  207. 207.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 12:44 am

    @redshirt:

    We’re rollin’, baby.

    Rollin’.

    The campaign cash may be slower in coming, but the Super PAC? It’s like this.

  208. 208.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 18, 2015 at 12:44 am

    @efgoldman: CHristie has enough money for commercials? I’m surprised

  209. 209.

    Brachiator

    October 18, 2015 at 12:44 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Another “misunderestimation” of a Bush. Keep it up, morons.

    Just remember what happened to you in 2000 and 2004.

    Ah. The turd also rises.

  210. 210.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:45 am

    @efgoldman:

    I’ve been reading her go after Bernie and his supporters for a couple of weeks. She’s been nasty. And not even a ‘Huckabee pretend to be polite kind of nasty’ but just nasty.

    I get that I might not reflect well on my preferred candidate. But a lot of my failure is in trying to appropriately respond to nasty haters like her.

    And seriously, if I am supposed to be a reflection of my candidate, do me the courtesy and hold those who are clearly supporters of a specific candidate to the same standard, that includes yourself, efgoldman.

  211. 211.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 12:45 am

    @Right to Rise:

    We’re rollin’, baby.

    Rollin’.

    The campaign cash may be slower in coming, but the Super PAC? It’s like this.

    I wasn’t asking about Jebs? campaign, but rather you. You doing OK? You were gone for awhile and no joke, people were concerned.

  212. 212.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 12:47 am

    @redshirt:

    Out getting that money.

    *bling bling*

  213. 213.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 12:48 am

    I’ve been advised to tune into the cold opening of SNL tonight to see who the surprise guest playing Bernie Sanders is. No spoilers, please — there’s two hours to go here on the West Coast.

  214. 214.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 12:50 am

    @efgoldman:

    Well, that, plus lying about history, yet again. Bush underestimated in 2000? Not by the Dems. Oh, they thought he was a half-wit joke — which he was — but nobody thought it would be a Dem cakewalk. Same with 2004.

    Of course, given that Bush lost the 2000 popular and electoral vote, before SCOTUS cancelled the election, and lost the 2004 electoral, thanks to Republican voting fraud, it doesn’t seem like W did quite as well as Reich to Rise is pretending.

  215. 215.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 12:51 am

    @SFAW:

    A nigga outta line gone get his motherfuckin head bust
    Cash Money Millionaires plus
    Don’t touch sum’in nigga you can’t fuck
    Twenty inches TV is a must

  216. 216.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 12:51 am

    @efgoldman:

    OK, that’s it. You’re done being taken seriously.

    On Balloon-Juice that means, “You’ve spoken truths we don’t want to hear. NEENER NEENER NEENER, I can’t HEAR YOU!!!”

  217. 217.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 12:52 am

    @Right to Rise:

    We’re rollin’, baby.

    Rollin’.

    Straight down the slippery slope.

    Say hello to the denizens of the sewage system when you get there.

  218. 218.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @mclaren: The idea that anyone on BJ gets taken seriously utterly confounds me.

  219. 219.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @srv:

    “When you hit a truck full of people, there are limbs and legs everywhere,” Sparkle said. “I watched a guy crawl away from the wreckage after one shot with no lower body. He slowly died. You have to watch that. You don’t get to turn away. You can’t be that soft girly traditional feminine and do the job. Those are the people who are going to have the nightmares.”

    That gave you such a hardon, didn’t it?

  220. 220.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 12:54 am

    @mclaren:

    Mclaren, you above anybody knows deep down that a third Bush president is a fait accompli.

  221. 221.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:54 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Usually I’m responding to something said about my preferred candidate. If there wasn’t anyone trash talking my preferred candidate I doubt I would have stuck around. But there’s a lot of trash talking of not just Bernie but of Bernie supporters in this blog. < That's why I finally started commenting.

    John could always change this blog to just food, dogs, and gardens without open threads and the entire tenor of the conversations would change. But for as far back as I can recall this has always been a political blog. And a hyper-contentious one from the start from what I recall.

  222. 222.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 12:55 am

    @efgoldman:

    I read Tyngsborough, had a “senior moment,” thought FlyingToaster was talking about the Merrimack, not the Chuck.

    I’m doubly – or even triply — embarrassed, because I’m going in to watch some of the Head tomorrow. So I guess I’m having an up-close-and-personal encounter with senility. Fuck. Thanks for bringing me back to the land of the sentient.

  223. 223.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 12:55 am

    @SFAW:

    …it doesn’t seem like W did quite as well as Reich to Rise is pretending.

    There’s only one person on earth who could back up that level of trash talking, and Larry Bird ain’t waking through that door.

  224. 224.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 12:56 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    You’d have to be awfully hypocritical to get offended by personal attacks since you spend most of your time personally attacking other commenters.

    LOL!

    Pot, meet kettle. Personal smears and dishonest lying verbal venom aimed at individuals, as opposed to their arguments and citations of facts, have become so clearly identified on thes forum with Mnemosyne that a grotesque lie is now known as a “mnemosyne.”

    As in:

    “Did the perp tell the truth?”

    “Nah, he mnsemosyne’d ten ways from sunday.”

  225. 225.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 12:56 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    Wait, you’re trying to claim that Elie was nasty to you? What’s next, getting all butthurt because Werebear or TaMara spoke harshly to you?

    You seriously have the thinnest skin ever if you think that Amir and Elie are the meanest commenters here. You should at least say it was a known asshole like me who was mean to you if you want to make your claims plausible.

  226. 226.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 12:57 am

    @Thoughtful Today: Here’s a serious question: do you have a humorous bone in your body?

  227. 227.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 12:57 am

    @Thoughtful Today: You’re not being hated.

    You’re being mocked.

    Please learn to tell the difference. It’s not Bernie hate…no one hates Bernie here, I for one am happy he’s in the race and he’s setting an agenda that Hillary feels compelled to respond to, and mostly by agreeing with it. Whoever is the nominee is going to be better because Bernie was in the race.

  228. 228.

    Matt McIrvin

    October 18, 2015 at 12:57 am

    @Xenos: I’m pretty sure there were still a few actual Burma-Shave signs by the highway in some rural areas (in Virginia maybe?) as late as the 1980s.

  229. 229.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:58 am

    @mclaren: lol

    :)

  230. 230.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 12:58 am

    @mclaren:

    I’m nice to the nice people here, and I’m an asshole to assholes. If you can’t handle it, try being less of an asshole.

  231. 231.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 12:58 am

    @different-church-lady:

    He kicked the ass of the Democrats in elections.

    And now that Citizens United has happened…well….that makes his brother even more powerful.

    bling bling

  232. 232.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 12:59 am

    @different-church-lady: heh

    Ironically, so far I take you seriously.

  233. 233.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 12:59 am

    @Right to Rise: We know what color the sky is in your world. It’s plaid.

  234. 234.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:00 am

    @Thoughtful Today: Fatal mistake, my friend.

  235. 235.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:00 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Wow, clueless, racist, insane, AND a liar. You’re like a mini-Bush, and hitting the trifecta.

    And, true to Rethug form, looks like RCP is cooking the books on their polls. Only way the Rethugs know how to operate.

  236. 236.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 18, 2015 at 1:00 am

    T_T and RtR in one thread at the same time. Happy, happy, joy, joy!

  237. 237.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:01 am

    @SFAW:

    I was quoting a hip-hop song. How is that racist? Do you even know what that word means?

  238. 238.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:02 am

    @different-church-lady:

    and Larry Bird ain’t waking through that door.

    Ricky? :That you, man?

  239. 239.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 1:03 am

    @mclaren:

    Now I’m trying to think how I can mnsemosyne my way out of some yard work tomorrow…

  240. 240.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:03 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Fuck off, racist. The old “Hey, I’m just ‘quoting’ someone else” dodge is what you motherfuckers always pull, when you’re too cowardly to own your own shit.

    So, to be clear: you’re a racist. Now, fuck off.

  241. 241.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 18, 2015 at 1:04 am

    @Right to Rise: Brinks Trucks had a breakdown on the road?

  242. 242.

    trollhattan

    October 18, 2015 at 1:05 am

    @MomSense:
    Cycling Paul Sherwin? He and Phil Liggett are cycling, their delivery is mesmerizing.

  243. 243.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 1:05 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It’s kind of fascinating how R2R showed up right when people were starting to wonder if he and TT were working together, innit?

  244. 244.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:06 am

    @Thoughtful Today: It’s simple: just stay here and harangue us all day.

  245. 245.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 1:07 am

    @Right to Rise: We’ve heard this before…and it means NOTHING. UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH! did not result in a President Mittbot. ¡Heb! is falling in the polls, is looking to economize due to cash shortfalls, is desperately clinging to his war criminal deserting coward brother as they both go under to Davy Jones’ locker. Trump is fucking owning ¡Heb!’s worthless ass with remarkable ease. For the love of Reagan, the certifiable Ben Carson is pwning ¡Heb!’s butt without even trying!

  246. 246.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:07 am

    @SFAW:

    Why the scare quotes around quoting?

    I copy and pasted it from a hip-hop song from the 1990s.

    BTW, please define the term racist and show me how it applies to what I quoted. That would be much appreciated, especially if you can do it without screaming four letter words.

    Reasoned arguments tend to go farther than cursing.

  247. 247.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:08 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Indeed. Also that Thoughtful Today cannot answer the question “in what state do you vote?”

    I suggest as a form of troll-be-gone we all ask TT what state they’re voting for Bernie in, as grammatically painful as that may be.

  248. 248.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:09 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Your racism is self-evident, no matter how many times you pull the “quoting” bullshit.

    Now, fuck off, racist.

  249. 249.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 1:09 am

    @different-church-lady:

    I thought Trump was hilarious … for about ten days.

  250. 250.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 1:10 am

    @Right to Rise: “nigga”

    All we need to see.

  251. 251.

    trollhattan

    October 18, 2015 at 1:10 am

    @Right to Rise: @Right to Rise:
    Drunk commenting can be entertaining in the right hands. As for you, put your hands in your [back] pockets and go for a stroll on the nearest arterial. Wear black (your favorite color amirite?)

  252. 252.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 1:10 am

    @redshirt:

    TT has 50 to choose from. You’d think s/he could manage to name at least one.

  253. 253.

    seaboogie

    October 18, 2015 at 1:11 am

    I feel kind of pervy watching this troll on troll comment action here – it’s kind of depressing. One of those things that you thought might be fascinating in your imagination, but when you consider who all is involved and see it play out, you just feel kind of icky and want to take a shower of any temperature.

  254. 254.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:11 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Reasoned arguments tend to go farther than cursing.

    Reasoned arguments only work with someone who is not a liar; you have proved, time and time again, that you are a liar.

    Now, fuck off, racist.

  255. 255.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 18, 2015 at 1:11 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Heh. Hey, did you see an old friend dropped by a dying thread the other day, to refute the Dutch MH-17 report?

  256. 256.

    srv

    October 18, 2015 at 1:12 am

    @mclaren: That would be problematic for the conspiragorks here who think you are me.

  257. 257.

    Felixmoronia

    October 18, 2015 at 1:12 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Reminds one of the “Annie Angel/Shoelimpy” tag tean at Sadly,No some years ago.

  258. 258.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:13 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Whoever would that be, one wonders.

  259. 259.

    trollhattan

    October 18, 2015 at 1:13 am

    @Gin & Tonic:
    Oh god, did not (so sad for me). Did his laptop spring back to life for One Final Post?

    So, what are they cooking up to accuse the CIA of next?

  260. 260.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:14 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    It’s nigga with an “A” on the end. According the authority of Racel Jeantel, that makes it OK. It’s not racial. I could even be talking about some “Chinese dude”.

  261. 261.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 1:14 am

    @efgoldman:

    Keep guessing :)

    But I’ll give you some hints, based on the type of your guessing, I’m considerably older than you and assuredly have been voting since before you were born.

  262. 262.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:14 am

    @seaboogie:

    I feel kind of pervy watching this troll on troll comment action here – it’s kind of depressing. One of those things that you thought might be fascinating in your imagination, but when you consider who all is involved and see it play out, you just feel kind of icky and want to take a shower of any temperature.

    It is some pretty hot troll on troll action. In fact I think it might be a troll menage a trios.

  263. 263.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:14 am

    @redshirt:

    I suggest as a form of troll-be-gone we all ask TT what state they’re voting for Bernie in, as grammatically painful as that may be.

    I would think, “Hey, pull my finger!” might be both easier and more efficient.

  264. 264.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:14 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    What’s particularly ‘cognitive dissonance’ worthy is the Bernie-haters who will publicly sneer at Bernie, talk trash about his supporters, and then claim Bernie supporters won’t support any other candidate.

    Based on… ?

    Most likely based on the truly awful behavior of the Hillary supporters during the primary campaign back in 2008. Hillbots did not cover themselves with glory in that one.

    This time around, however, essentially all Sanders supporters have made it clear that while we would prefer Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee, we will definitely vote for (and strongly support) Hillary.

    I’m as strong a Sanders supporter as there is on this forum, and I have to tell you, there’s just not that much difference in terms of policy twixt Sanders and Hillary. Yes, yes, Hillary’s answer to that “break up the too big to fail banks” was atrocious, but if you listen closely, she herself admitted that those banks would have to be broken up — she just wanted to avoid it except as a last resort. Hillary is close to Sanders on gun control, and reasonably close on boosting the economy. The biggest difference twixt Sanders and Hillary is surely her neocon fanaticism about an “assertive American foreign policy,” meaning burning lots of brown babies.

    I don’t think Bernie Sanders is strongly in favor of burning brown babies. Hillary seems to enjoy the idea. This has not endeared her to those of us who don’t enjoy torture porn films.

    waiting in the wings, Hillary Clinton just may prove to be what the defense establishment has been waiting for, and more. Superior to all in money, name recognition, and influence, she is poised to compete aggressively for the Democratic nomination for president. She might just win the Oval Office. And by most measures she would be the most formidable hawk this country has seen in a generation.

    “It is clear that she is behind the use of force in anything that has gone on in this cabinet. She is a Democratic hawk and that is her track record. That’s the flag she’s planted,” said Gordon Adams, a national security budget expert who was an associate director in President Bill Clinton’s Office of Management and Budget.

    Karen Kwiatkowski, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who has spent her post-service days protesting the war policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, is more blunt. “Interventionism is a business and it has a constituency and she is tapping into it,” she tells TAC. “She is for the military industrial complex, and she is for the neoconservatives.”

    Source: The Military-Industrial Candidate,” 20 November 2014.

    I think we all understand and empathize to a certain extent with the sheer amount of bloodlust required from policymaker inside the Beltway in order to be taken seriously nowadays. America’s natural love of torture and mass murder (as evidenced in our treatment of the native American Indian population) ramped up after 9/11 to the point where, to be considered serious players in foreign policy, Washington DC insiders had to publicly gloat about the prospect of napalming young women and children in wedding parties.

    The subjects vary — crime and penal policy, healthcare, don’t get me started on foreign policy — but there is an ideological approach in America that is distinguished by one common characteristic: words and deeds utterly lacking in the quality of mercy.

    There is a cancer in the collective American soul — a mercy deficit that has in recent years grown as alarmingly as the budget deficit. Nor is it as simple as a left/right thing: no political party has a monopoly on merciless behaviour. Rather, a creeping draconian absolutism has cast its penumbra across the entire arena of public discourse, tainting every debate, poisoning and hardening attitudes across the board.

    Source: “Merciless,” Charles Stross blog, August 2008.

    It’s sad to see Hillary Clinton giving herself over to this kind of subhuman Baal-like worship of torture and death. It’s an Aztec mentality that will not end well for America. Fortunately, Sanders supporters seem to be made of more humane stuff, so we will support Hillary despite her wanton expression of foreign policy cruelty, and despite her groveling before the monstrous forces of greed which have wrecked the lives of so many of our fellow citizens. Because, c’mon! Look at the alternatives. Ben Carson gloats about firing drone missiles at caves where Mexican illegals cower. Huckabee has proposed selling poor people into slavery.

    Hillary’s sins of lack of empathy are venial by comparison.

  265. 265.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:15 am

    @SFAW:

    Four-letter word. Insult.

    Look above. Is Rachel the friend of St. Skittles wrong? Is nigga, in fact, a racial slur?

    Can it, or can it not, refer to a “Chinese dude”?

    After all, it is pronounced with an “A” on the end…

  266. 266.

    seaboogie

    October 18, 2015 at 1:16 am

    @Right to Rise: Intentional Asshole, with the intention to be really assholish, mistaking it for cleverness. Not the same thing – not at all. Also a stranger to wit and reason, but with a deep affinity to *, and here’s your vid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgpZ0fUixs

  267. 267.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Fuck off, racist.

  268. 268.

    Gravenstone

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @redshirt:

    What does FIDO mean?

    Fuck It, Drive On

  269. 269.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): 51, DC can vote in Presidential elections.

  270. 270.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @trollhattan: It was same old same old, really, with the obligatory link to Robert Parry and his numerous, never-named intelligence sources.

  271. 271.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    Keep guessing :)

    But I’ll give you some hints, based on the type of your guessing, I’m considerably older than you and assuredly have been voting since before you were born.

    I think you might be from India, as I know they also vote in India. And they have many Socialists.

  272. 272.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @Right to Rise: Horseshit, and you know it. I hope your superiors at ¡Heb! HQ are aware of what you’re posting here, and how it’s doing nothing to help the hopeless sack of shit.

  273. 273.

    trollhattan

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @efgoldman: Holy moly, given your recent achievements vis a vie the working world, TT has to be pushing a hundred, junior. Pretty good with the old telegraph, I’d say, based on sentence length alone.

  274. 274.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @Right to Rise: OK, we get it, you’re a Chinese dude. Now can we please move on?

  275. 275.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 1:17 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Another hint:

    “TT has 50 to choose from.”

    Yes. It’s one of those. :)

  276. 276.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:18 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Are you calling what Rachel Jeantel said “horseshit”?

  277. 277.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:18 am

    @Right to Rise:
    Fuck off, racist.

    You can cite any 12 people that you think give you legitimacy: they don’t. You’re still a racist, lying motherfucker.

  278. 278.

    EriktheRed

    October 18, 2015 at 1:18 am

    @Right to Rise:

    http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2015/10/i-know-dead-parrot-when-i-see-one.html

  279. 279.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 18, 2015 at 1:19 am

    @Thoughtful Today: So you voted for FDR, then?

  280. 280.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:20 am

    @Right to Rise:

    No, just calling you a racist.

  281. 281.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:20 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    I’m considerably older than you and assuredly have been voting since before you were born.

    Ancient Rome?

  282. 282.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:20 am

    @SFAW:

    How am I a racist? Remember, I asked how.

  283. 283.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:21 am

    @Right to Rise: All of them, Katie.

  284. 284.

    trollhattan

    October 18, 2015 at 1:21 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Define “know.” His/her/its recent absence is best explained by a significant firmware upload, in anticipation of jeb[yawn]’s plunge into Mount Doom. There will be more updated prior to the Q1/16 dropping out (more probably, “suspending my campaign so I can go massage mom’s bunions”).

  285. 285.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:21 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Please learn to tell the difference. It’s not Bernie hate…no one hates Bernie here, I for one am happy he’s in the race and he’s setting an agenda that Hillary feels compelled to respond to, and mostly by agreeing with it. Whoever is the nominee is going to be better because Bernie was in the race.

    So why the personal animus to Thoughtful Today?

    How about we try to uphold the long progressive tradition of dealing with facts, rather than personalities? What separates us from the rethuglicans is that Democrats (ideally, at least) rise above factionalism and sift through the evidence using logic in order to decide the best policies. We Democrats are fact-driven, part of the reality-based community so hated by Karl Rove and his crew.

    So please just leave off the snide sneers and vacuous envenomed verbal attacks on Thoughtful Today, and explain to us what facts and logic contradict his assertions. We would all be quite interested to hear that. Then we can have a productive discussion.

    Name-calling and kindergarten-level “slam books” full of the names of people we hate are for Republicans. We’re better than that.

  286. 286.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:22 am

    @SFAW:

    Being called a racist is actually different from being, in reality, a racist.

    But of course you’re are a cannibal that has oral sex with toddlers.

    See, I just called you those things. I didn’t demonstrate anything. But I called you it. So it must be true, right?

  287. 287.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 1:22 am

    @Right to Rise: I don’t give a flying fuck what Rachel Jeantel (whoever the fuck she is) said, if she ever in fact said it. Because you have zero credibility about anything around these parts. You are a self described operative for the man who single handedly drove John Cole away from the dark side. I’m telling you how everyone else around here interprets that word.

  288. 288.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 1:23 am

    @mclaren: Because Thoughtful Today is overdoing the butt hurt. It’s annoying.

  289. 289.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:23 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Read your own fucking posts, unless you’re too stupid to string words together. Does yer Momma type your posts for you?

    You’re playing the same games racists always play, when they are too cowardly to own their shit. In that way, George Wallace was far superior to you – he never tried to deny it.

    So, fuck off, racist.

  290. 290.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:24 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    : I don’t give a flying fuck what Rachel Jeantel (whoever the fuck she is) said, if she ever in fact said it.

    Oh my. Oh my oh my. How soon we forget!

    Yesterday’s liberal hero is today’s un-person.

  291. 291.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:24 am

    @mclaren:

    So why the personal animus to Thoughtful Today?

    Because he’s a haranguing bore?

    Just a guess here…

  292. 292.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 1:24 am

    @mclaren:

    Ack! Love ya, McLaren, but this is just wrong: “there’s just not that much difference in terms of policy twixt Sanders and Hillary.”

    There’s huge differences.

    Compared to Republicans those differences shrink, but even then they are still very meaningful.

  293. 293.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:25 am

    @Right to Rise: Hey, pull my finger!

  294. 294.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:25 am

    @SFAW:

    Accusations without evidence.

    If you have a triple digit IQ you should be at least able to put together a factual case that I am, in fact, a racist.

    Or you could scream four-letter words and make baseless assertions. That’s the other option.

    If the latter is the case, I’m going to make sure everybody knows you’re a toddler-raping cannibal.

  295. 295.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:27 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    …I’m an asshole…

    At last! Something we can agree on. See? Progress!

  296. 296.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:27 am

    @Right to Rise:

    I’ll type S-L-O-W-L-Y so that you can maybe keep up with things.

    By the words you have used in numerous posts tonight, you have demonstrated you are a racist. The sterling example of wingnut “logic” in your second paragraph is yet another example of a wingnut projecting their own behaviors onto others. Wingnut projection has been well documented, you are merely the latest.

    So, fuck off, racist.

  297. 297.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:27 am

    Begun The Troll Wars have.

  298. 298.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:28 am

    @SFAW: Pssst: you’re doing this wrong. Try asking him to pull your finger.

  299. 299.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 1:28 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    efgoldman retired at full retirement age a few years ago, so that makes you 85 at a minimum.

  300. 300.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:28 am

    @Right to Rise:

    You are certainly free to make libelous/slanderous statements as much as you’d like.

    However, doing so does not absolve you of your racism.

    ETA: But, your continuing libelous/slanderous statements tell all of us how desperate you’ve become, because you can’t defend your own racism.

  301. 301.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:28 am

    When mclaren has become the voice of reason…

  302. 302.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:29 am

    @different-church-lady:

    You’re probably right.

  303. 303.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:29 am

    @SFAW:

    By the words you have used in numerous posts tonight, you have demonstrated you are a toddler-raping cannibal. The sterling example of libtard “logic” in your second paragraph is yet another example of a libtard projecting their own behaviors onto others. Libtard projection has been well documented, you are merely the latest.

    So, go masturbate, toddler-raping cannibal.

    Hey, it’s just as fact-free as what you typed above.

  304. 304.

    Temporarily Max McGee (soon enough to be Andy K again)

    October 18, 2015 at 1:29 am

    Great Flying Spaghetti Monster! When did mclaren finally figure out how to operate a sock puppet?

  305. 305.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:29 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Perhaps you can give me some specific examples of exactly how Thoughtful Today is a “haranguing bore,” as opposed to vague unsubstantiated assertions?

    If you examine what you wrote, I think you’ll find that it boils down to “Thoughtful Today said something I did not agree with.”

    That might not elicit the level of sympthy you expected…

  306. 306.

    Gravenstone

    October 18, 2015 at 1:29 am

    @Right to Rise: Flush super PACs didn’t save Perry, or Walker. Why do you think RtR will save the idiot manchild?

  307. 307.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:30 am

    @different-church-lady: Yeah, too harsh. You got to jigger that troll.

  308. 308.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:30 am

    @Right to Rise: Are you going to pull his finger or what?

  309. 309.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:30 am

    @SFAW:

    Ditto. And it doesn’t absolve of you toddler rape, my nigga.

  310. 310.

    srv

    October 18, 2015 at 1:30 am

    You people spend so much energy on low energy people.

    It’s not good thermodynamics. Think about it.

  311. 311.

    chopper

    October 18, 2015 at 1:31 am

    @redshirt:

    when mclaren is telling everybody to “quit it with the sneers” it means that irony has exploded. the thread is long burned out.

  312. 312.

    SFAW

    October 18, 2015 at 1:31 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Whatever, racist.

  313. 313.

    seaboogie

    October 18, 2015 at 1:31 am

    @Right to Rise: Go ahead and ride that rocking horse in your nursery all you want, but it’s not a real pony – except in your fevered imagination.

  314. 314.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 1:31 am

    @mclaren:

    Of course, what I actually said is that I’m an asshole to assholes. So if I’m an asshole to you, that means … .

  315. 315.

    Gin & Tonic

    October 18, 2015 at 1:32 am

    Throwing this out here to change the tone before I hit the sack, as this is a pet-friendly blog: woman’s boyfriend mistreats woman’s cat, so she stabs him and he dies. Discuss.

  316. 316.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:32 am

    @chopper: Truly, it is a Dark Age.

  317. 317.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:32 am

    @SFAW:

    Whatever, toddler rapist.

  318. 318.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:32 am

    If someone here would just mention credenzas the night would be perfect!

  319. 319.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:33 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Seems fair.

  320. 320.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:34 am

    @srv:

    You people spend so much energy on low energy people.

    It’s not good thermodynamics. Think about it.

    I’m intrigued. Can you explain more?

  321. 321.

    Gravenstone

    October 18, 2015 at 1:34 am

    @Right to Rise:

    bling bling

    They upped your pay to 10 cents a post, didn’t they sparky? You’re really rolling in it now.

  322. 322.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:34 am

    @seaboogie:

    Insults, not facts. Very predictable.

    Still waiting for someone to demonstrate…demonstrate how I am a racist. Not assert. Not shout, but actually prove it. Using things like, you know, facts.

  323. 323.

    trollhattan

    October 18, 2015 at 1:34 am

    @different-church-lady:
    Na ga happen, but I do have a chifforobe that need breakin’ up.

  324. 324.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:35 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    Compared to Republicans those differences shrink, but even then they are still very meaningful.

    I think we’re both saying the same thing in different ways.

    The most important and most encouraging aspect of the Democratic presidential primary debates was that all the Democrats seem to have converged around some basic policy positions that bode well for America:

    [1] We need strong government action to reduce economic inequality;
    [2] We need aggressive enforcement of financial laws and increased regulation to punish and eliminate fraud and crime in the financial markets (except for Hillary’s position, which sadly refuses to go all the way on this — still, she goes part of the way);
    [3] We need a lot more help for poor people;
    [4] The middle class is vanishing and needs to be revived by direct government policies;
    [5] The government needs to do something to reduce the unacceptable level of gun violence in this country;
    [6] We need to scale back (ideally, to end) the endless unwinnable foreign wars.

    Compare with the wretched 2004 campaign, where John Kerry was trying to become a Republican Lite. We’re worlds better off in 2015 with the Democratic candidates we have now. And all our candidates are sane, something you cannot say about any of the Republican presidential insects.

  325. 325.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:35 am

    @Gravenstone:

    I make a great money. Were rollin’ folks.

  326. 326.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:36 am

    @Right to Rise: If you would just pull the damn finger you’d have your answers.

  327. 327.

    trollhattan

    October 18, 2015 at 1:36 am

    @Gravenstone:
    You’d think the sheer economics would limit the posts to four or five words, tops.

    I think it’s on uppers.

  328. 328.

    seaboogie

    October 18, 2015 at 1:37 am

    @chopper: Yep.

  329. 329.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:38 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Of course, what I actually said is that I’m an asshole to assholes. So if I’m an asshole to you, that means …

    It means that you’re eager to drag this conversation down into the gutter.

    Not I, alas. I repeat: hurling insults is not a productive form of communication.

    You should leave that to the Republicans.

  330. 330.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:39 am

    @mclaren:

    It means that you’re eager to drag this conversation down into the gutter.

    At this point he’d have to drag it in the opposite direction.

  331. 331.

    Right to Rise

    October 18, 2015 at 1:41 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Demands to “pull the finger” are signs of white privilege, heterosexist, patriarchal, cissupremacist, white supremacist, neurotypical, and kyriarchichal systems of oppression.

  332. 332.

    Gravenstone

    October 18, 2015 at 1:41 am

    @Thoughtful Today: You’re mighty spry for someone in their 90s.

  333. 333.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:42 am

    @Right to Rise:

    Demands to “pull the finger” are signs of white privilege, heterosexist, patriarchal, cissupremacist, white supremacist, neurotypical, and kyriarchichal systems of oppression.

    More cut-and-paste rap lyrics from the 90s. Predicable.

  334. 334.

    srv

    October 18, 2015 at 1:42 am

    @redshirt: I don’t want to get in the way of all y’alls apparent quest to reach a Tbogg Unit.

  335. 335.

    Jordan Rules

    October 18, 2015 at 1:42 am

    LMFAO! A Cash Money records quote by the Bush guy. Too much irony. They are being sued by their cash cow and are a shadow of their former 90’s/00’s self. Sounds about right I guess.

  336. 336.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:43 am

    @srv: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the precipitant.

  337. 337.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 1:43 am

    @Right to Rise: Thanks for clarifying so succinctly who the fuck that person is.

    I have no fucking idea who you’re talking about, and you’re certainly not doing the obvious thing to enlighten me, so I have to assume it’s more Reich to Rise horseshit.

  338. 338.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:45 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: Pssst: making the horseshit obvious is part of the shtick.

    Jesus people…

  339. 339.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 1:46 am

    @mclaren:

    Of those six issues, only number 5 has Clinton taken the lead (guns).

    The other five issues she’s given vague rhetorical support for that I find meaningless. She’s got a Superdelegate team in Congress that she could be leading on those issues today.

    Sanders is far more likely to push those issues as President. Though the flip side is that those same Clinton Superdelegates will be part of the challenge to make those changes.

  340. 340.

    srv

    October 18, 2015 at 1:46 am

    @different-church-lady: I have always understood that about you.

  341. 341.

    seaboogie

    October 18, 2015 at 1:46 am

    @Right to Rise: Hey mods – I think you have a ban-hammer for something like this….or a strait-jacket – either would be fine…

    I see that the comment was pulled – that’s a start

  342. 342.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:47 am

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Permit me to observe that verbally bludgeoning someone online and then criticizing that person for “overdoing the butthurt” is, to put it mildly, profoundly uncharitable.

    In fact, it smacks of the kind of blame-the-victim games Republicans love. Can’t we all try to show a little more tolerance and common human decency? Are the chasms that separate Hillary supporters from Bernie supporters really so huge…?

  343. 343.

    Gravenstone

    October 18, 2015 at 1:48 am

    @seaboogie: Maybe a thorazine drip would help.

  344. 344.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:49 am

    @Thoughtful Today:

    I agree with you that Sanders has taken the lead on most of the progressive issues. And Hillary is probably giving lip service to those issues precisely because Sanders is in the race, and pushing her hard with his donations and poll numbers.

    But is that a bad thing?

    Listen, I’m a pragmatist — I’ll take what I can get. If Sanders pushes Hillary toward the left, that’s still good news to me.

  345. 345.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:49 am

    Hey Thoughtful Today,
    which state will you be
    canvassing today?

  346. 346.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 1:49 am

    @mclaren:

    Not I, alas. I repeat: hurling insults is not a productive form of communication.

    Congratulations — you made me LOL with that. I think I scared the cats.

  347. 347.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:50 am

    @different-church-lady:

    I think you mean “part of the precipitate.”

  348. 348.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 18, 2015 at 1:51 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): A knee slapper indeed.

  349. 349.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:51 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Well, mclaren should know that from direct experience by now, I would think.

  350. 350.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 1:52 am

    @different-church-lady: mclaren’s cool now. Check it out!

  351. 351.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 1:53 am

    @mclaren: Yeah, I probably did, but my fuck dispenser is empty.

  352. 352.

    srv

    October 18, 2015 at 1:54 am

    Joe-Sixpack Speaketh:

    It may come as a surprise to many that Donald J Trump’s support from Blue Collar Americans (those involved in trades, manufacturing, industry, and labor) is the highest since any candidate since FDR in 1936 since Gallup began polling.

    Trump has consistently shown his appeal to the blue collar sector of the economy, pulling ahead of even Clinton and Sanders in “rust belt” states like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Pennslyvania.

    This explains why Obama wants TPP so bad.

  353. 353.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 1:55 am

    Meanwhile…

    Huckabee Suggests Poor People Should Be Sold Into Slavery For Stealing.

    I mean…I just…

    Holy crap.

    There are no words.

  354. 354.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 2:00 am

    There’s also an excellent article on Slate online about the intimate involvement of both Trump and Ben Carson in multi-level marketing scams.

    The Get-Rich-Quick Schemers Who Love the GOP — Donald Trump, Ben Carson, and Jeb Bush have something in common: “multilevel marketing” companies that prey upon the desperate and broke.

    Much has been made of the fact that the two leading contenders in the Republican presidential primary, Donald Trump and Ben Carson, lack any experience in elected office. Much less attention has gone to something else the two men share: a history of entanglements with companies that have been rightly criticized for hawking get-rich-quick schemes to the broke and desperate. The business model, which is perfectly legal, is called multilevel marketing. (..)

    Check the website of ACN, the multilevel marketing company that Donald Trump featured not once but twice on Celebrity Apprentice. “ACN has enabled countless people of all ages, cultures and backgrounds to experience financial and personal freedom, allowing them to live the life they’ve always imagined—a life without boundaries,” the site claims.

    Then there was Trump Network, Trump’s own multilevel marketing concern, which the Donald bought and renamed after himself in 2009 and sold off for an undisclosed sum in 2012. He described the company as a “rescue and recovery program” for recession-wary Americans.

    And let’s not forget Mannatech, the vitamin company Carson’s been saying kind words about since 2004, as the Wall Street Journal reminded us last week. He credits the company’s products with helping him in his battle against prostate cancer. Mannaech offers recruits “unlimited earning potential,” as it terms it in a come-on pitch.

    The three leading Republican presidential candidates are literally snake-oil salesmen who pitch Ponzi schemes to gullible rubes.

  355. 355.

    seaboogie

    October 18, 2015 at 2:00 am

    @Gravenstone: Agreed. I had a fb friend who seemed to go all sideways like that late at night and decided to unfriend him because he was getting scary in the same way – all of the “logical” arguments and rationalizations – it just depressed me watching it happen, and I couldn’t do it anymore.

  356. 356.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 2:01 am

    @redshirt:

    It’s a trick. Get an axe.

    (Name that movie, kids!)

  357. 357.

    Thoughtful Today

    October 18, 2015 at 2:02 am

    @mclaren:

    Pragmatically speaking, if Hillary stays to the left on the issues she’s given rhetorical support for in her campaign throughout her Administration, then … win, win, win.

    But I’m certain she’ll drop most of those issues the minute the votes are counted next November. Which, unfortunately, makes the primary election partly about character, consistency, and judgement. (And saying as much is part of why there’s so much hate thrown my way.)

    Having listened to Bernie for over a decade, and listened to even older CSPAN videos of him from decades before that, I’m certain he won’t change his mind on any of those issues short of clear and compelling evidence.

  358. 358.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 2:03 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Batman?

  359. 359.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 2:05 am

    @Thoughtful Today: So you’re from Vermont? Voting in Vermont?

  360. 360.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 2:08 am

    @redshirt:

    Oh, come on! Sam Raimi’s Army of Darkness!

    Jeez.

    And it would have been even better with Raimi’s original title, The Medieval Dead.

  361. 361.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 2:08 am

    @redshirt:

    Probably Quebec.

  362. 362.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 2:13 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Same thing, really.

  363. 363.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 2:25 am

    @mclaren: I confess to only seeing Evil Dead once and it didn’t make an impression. Sorry!

  364. 364.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 2:26 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Same thing, really.

    It’s true. Vermont is Quebec’s attempt at foreign meddling.

  365. 365.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 2:28 am

    @redshirt: Bernie can see Poutine from his house.

  366. 366.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 2:31 am

    @different-church-lady:

    Bernie can see Poutine House from there.

    Also, Montreal. A city of 8 million or so. Just up a few clicks north of Vermont. Like a French New York City. Do you think Vermont has a chance?

  367. 367.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 2:31 am

    @redshirt:

    Seriously, how can you say that a movie in which Bruce Campbell gets his hand chopped off, then replaces it with a chainsaw and says, “Groovy!” did not make an impression???

    Check out Sam Raimi’s A Simple Plan (1998). It’s a non-supernatural non-superhero movie with a hell of a punch. Great film, hugely overloooked. IMHO Raimi’s best.

  368. 368.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 2:34 am

    Oh, and speaking of The Evil Dead, this is one of my favorite political cartoons from the last ten years — explicit reference to Ash with president Obama facing down an army of reagonomics zombies.

  369. 369.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 2:34 am

    @mclaren: I grew up in the 80’s. That kind of stuff just happened.

  370. 370.

    different-church-lady

    October 18, 2015 at 2:36 am

    @redshirt: Very aware — seen it from both Jay Peak and Belvidere Mountain. Lovely city — one of the two places in North America where it’s impossible to get a bad meal.

    I hope to retire to Vermont as quickly as possible.

  371. 371.

    Ruckus

    October 18, 2015 at 2:38 am

    @different-church-lady:
    …my fuck dispenser is empty

    A new classic. Should go on the rotating thingy at the top of the site.

  372. 372.

    redshirt

    October 18, 2015 at 2:39 am

    @different-church-lady: Good luck to you. I’ve been to Vermont more times than I care over the past 5 years, but in truth it is a lovely state with lots of green.

  373. 373.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 2:47 am

    @mclaren: If TT wasn’t so fucking outraged about people “hating” Sanders, I don’t think the reaction to TT would be so negative. Also, too, it seems TT wants to be oppressed. Wants to be a victim. Sort of like all those Christianists out there who revel in their victimhood.

    I’m tired of this stupid theater.

  374. 374.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 2:48 am

    @different-church-lady: I’d just like to see RtR greet some random African-American on the street with a “Whatup nigga” and see what kind of reaction he gets.

    Would be amusing, fer sure.

  375. 375.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    October 18, 2015 at 2:53 am

    @redshirt:

    “Army of Darkness” is the 2nd sequel to “Evil Dead.” Actually, it’s kind of weird because “Evil Dead 2” is really a bigger-budgeted remake of the first one rather than a true sequel, so AoD is really the only one that’s an actual sequel … anyway.

    “Army of Darkness” is 90 percent comedy and maybe 10 percent horror, plus it has some of the most quotable movie lines ever. Definitely worth catching it on cable or streaming when you have a beer nearby. “Evil Dead 2” is also fun, but definitely has a lot more outright horror in it.

  376. 376.

    sukabi

    October 18, 2015 at 3:01 am

    @Right to Rise: that’s not his power, he’d be the tool…if he could keep his feet out of his mouth.

  377. 377.

    Eric

    October 18, 2015 at 4:25 am

    @dmsilev: “We may never know who won the 2000 Presidential Election.”

    -John Paul Stevens
    Dissent, Bush v. Gore

  378. 378.

    Applejinx

    October 18, 2015 at 5:35 am

    Daaaaang D:

    You know, the downside of Troll Wars is that it becomes hard to pick out the real insanity from the chaff.

    I still think Hillary’s such a natural politician that her hawkishness is malleable. Seeing what she sees in the electorate today, she won’t necessarily tack right if elected. It would be essentially embracing the Bush legacy, and that’s the last thing she wants.

    The trouble there is the same trouble I see Obama dealing with around the Straits of Malacca: acting as the United States is bound to be pretty obnoxious, because you’re elbow to elbow with states like Russia and China and they throw elbows quite eagerly. Awkward. To some extent what we see when people get in office is their reactions to the reality of the world. They have to react to things but then they also have to show intention, which needs to not be ‘kill everyone!’.

    As for Brinks Trucks Of Corporate Cash, Scott Walker had lots of those too. I read it in Bloomberg.

  379. 379.

    low-tech cyclist

    October 18, 2015 at 5:46 am

    Politifact rates this story “mostly true.” :D

  380. 380.

    low-tech cyclist

    October 18, 2015 at 5:58 am

    @Ruckus:

    @different-church-lady:
    …my fuck dispenser is empty
    A new classic. Should go on the rotating thingy at the top of the site.

    Of course, that could be taken more than one way.

    But being a gentleman (not to mention married), I won’t volunteer to refill her dispenser.

  381. 381.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 18, 2015 at 8:18 am

    @scav: You’re onto something with that.

    This guy was surely insufferable long before Bernie announced.

  382. 382.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 18, 2015 at 8:28 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Also Puerto Rico, 0 electoral college votes but don’t the parties include their votes in their presidential preference primary?

  383. 383.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 18, 2015 at 8:29 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It was same old same old, really, with the obligatory link to Robert Parry and his numerous, never-named intelligence sources.

    Must be that felon Wayne dude from Fox.

  384. 384.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 18, 2015 at 8:33 am

    @different-church-lady:

    OK, we get it, you’re a Chinese dude. Now can we please move on?

    It’s a well known fact that East Asians [or Jews, or South Asians, or froggy froggy Frenchies] are never racist against Black people.

    Unpossible. It’s also unpossible for East Asians to be racist against other East Asians. That’s why rumors of a racial, genocidal war during the Japanese imperialist period are a damned lie and the Pacific theater was a vision of peace and prosperity from 1939-1945.

  385. 385.

    Lurking Canadian

    October 18, 2015 at 9:02 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: The woman he referred to was the bereaved friend of Trayvon Martin. I believe he was actually on the phone with her when the altercation with Zimmerman began.

    I believe there were some irregularities in her testimony, not unexpected when a traumatized teenager finds herself suddenly in the spotlight, but seized upon by racists to prove Trayvon had it coming. She apparently also used the word “nigga” at least once, which our racist troll is trying to use as a shield to justify his racism.

  386. 386.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 18, 2015 at 9:04 am

    @mclaren: that’s a great programme, but you left off reining in the police, the racism, the brutality, the extra-legal activity

    you also left off reproductive freedom. Maybe it only directly affects some people but it indirectly ripples out to affect us all.

  387. 387.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 18, 2015 at 9:07 am

    @mclaren:

    Meanwhile…

    Huckabee Suggests Poor People Should Be Sold Into Slavery For Stealing.

    I mean…I just…

    Holy crap.

    There are no words.

    Now is when “true Christians” should be loudly and publicly proclaiming that this isn’t Christian and Huckabee is not one, but I know what we’re actually going to hear.

    …

    …

    …

  388. 388.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 18, 2015 at 9:14 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: Random people in public tend to avoid conflict. What he should do is accost either:

    a) a celebrity rap star
    b) a police officer
    c) fellow arrestee in the holding cell at the county jail

    assuming someone is recording the results. Delivery is key. How punchable is RtR’s face?

  389. 389.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 18, 2015 at 9:56 am

    @Another Holocene Human: Probably as punchable as ¡Heb!’s, I’d imagine.

    Pretty punchable.

  390. 390.

    J R in WV

    October 18, 2015 at 11:06 am

    @different-church-lady:

    We got a credenza last year at the Habitat for Humanity ReStore. It’s maple, so a pale wood, and the top is glass, raised about 6 inches above the body of the credenza by the sides coming higher than the body. I have various collectibles sitting on the top under the glass, so they don’t get dusty so quickly.

    The body of the credenza has two drawers in the middle and too doors about 18 x18 inches on either side. We have placemats and napkins in the drawers and techy bits like usb cables, external hard drives, speakers, etc in one door compartment, and optical gadgets like cameras, lenses, binoculars, etc in the other compartment.

    It’s very handy!!

    Hope this helps!

  391. 391.

    johnnybuck

    October 18, 2015 at 11:30 am

    Dang, I miss everything :(

  392. 392.

    Eolirin

    October 18, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Unless by some miracle the dems wi

  393. 393.

    john fremont

    October 18, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    @Jeffro: I thought that was Barney Frank’s fault. At least that was what the email I got from all of my GOP coworkers said.

  394. 394.

    joel hanes

    October 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    This one was along Hwy 18 in northern Iowa:

    He lit a match
    To check gas tank
    That’s why they call him
    Skinless Frank.

    Burma Shave

  395. 395.

    chopper

    October 18, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    not to walk into a dead thread, but I must admit mclaren is much better when he/she decides to be medication compliant. funny to read the lectures on “tone” tho.

  396. 396.

    Jymn

    October 18, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    Overheard at the White House water cooler:

    Condi: Did you read that memo, “Bin Laden determined to strike in US”?
    W: You mean another one of those memos from that crazy Richard Clarke?”
    CondiL: LOL. What a weirdo.
    W: (Pause). Who’s Bin Laden?

  397. 397.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    that’s a great programme, but you left off reining in the police, the racism, the brutality, the extra-legal activity

    you also left off reproductive freedom. Maybe it only directly affects some people but it indirectly ripples out to affect us all.

    Reining in the police is easy to deal with. Body cams. They’re coming, and studies show that police officers’ use of force drops by more than 50% just because they’re wearing body cams. Citizens complaints about brutality drop by 80% in precincts that use body cams on the police.

    As for racism…I don’t think one president or one political party can make a big dent there. That’s a societal problem. It’s baked into the way white people are acculturated in America.

    The good news? This continual deluge of videos of grotesque police brutality is already making a big impact on white privilege, and will continue to do so. Over time, white folks are starting to wake up and realize, “Hey! This is the stuff that goes on when you’re black that white people like myself never see.” So there’s a good chance that over time, white folks will start to examine their own attitudes and adjust their behavior. Groups like Black Lives Matter and eloquent individuals like Ta-Nehisi Coates are also making a big difference, so I see real signs of progress in regard to racism.

    The police brutality and pervasive illegality are mostly the result of the misbegotten fake War On Terror. 9/11 recedes in everyone’s memory, there’s hope that we’ll eventually repeal the USA Treason Act — excuse me, the USA Patriot Act, and shut down gitmo, and stop the extraordinary rendition and warrantless wiretapping.

    Not sure what to do about reproductive freedom, because the laws protecting that already on the books. Roe v. Wade has been decided. The problem is that some states are trying to make abortion effectively impossible using backdoor methods. Maybe the next Democratic president can unleash some DOJ hell on those states that are violating the spirit of the Roe v. Wade ruling.

  398. 398.

    mclaren

    October 18, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    @chopper:

    I must admit mclaren is much better when he/she decides to be medication compliant. funny to read the lectures on “tone” tho.

    And I must admit that chopper is much better when he/she decides not to do crystal meth while molesting small children.

    He who lives by the unsubstantiated smear, dies by the unsubstantiated smear.

  399. 399.

    Cervantes

    October 18, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    @mclaren:

    chopper is much better when he/she decides not to do crystal meth while molesting small children.

    I’m not sure I agree.

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