Hypocrisy ? I fired John Kasich from the 1976 Reagan Campaign … For selling pot to other field men
— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) October 29, 2015
Retweeted by Mother Jones’ Clara Jeffrey; only other reference I can find so far is a DKos diary. I’m assuming this has to be some of that famous Roger Stone Sense of Funny in action, but why now and why Kasich?
Baud
Maybe there’s personal animosity.
EZSmirkzz
I can haz helicopter now?
Ben?
Ben?
RaflW
That debate made me think quite seriously about the spare room in my cousin’s house just outside Stockholm, Sweden. They said I was welcome any time. Do you think they’ll still feel that way when I don’t leave for the duration of the campaign. (Don’t chew me out, I’ll vote by mail.)
NotMax
Time to dust of the “youthful indiscretion” boilerplate.
different-church-lady
@RaflW: Was it over when the Germans abandoned Pearl Harbor?!?
Mike J
Albert Brooks @AlbertBrooks 45m45 minutes ago
It looks like George Bush is operating Jeb’s arms.
lamh36
Hmmm, didn’t watch the debate, I’d rather be bleeding from the ears than have these guys voices in my head…but I see alot of positive commentary going Rubio’s way.
However I feel about HRC, if Rubio is the nominee, HRC will wipe the floor with him. It may be Biden-Ryan type take down.
redshirt
I smoked a spliff with Kasich in 76 when the Big Boats were cruising NY harbor. Groovy.
redshirt
@lamh36: Hillary will destroy all of them.
Amir Khalid
Per the Grauniad’s liveblog, Priebus is ticked off at CNBC’s moderators for not making any Republican candidate look good. But I fear that cause was lost from the outset: the more of these debates they hold, the less their candidates seem like presidents in waiting.
NotMax
@redshirt
Anachronism.
It was a joint. The last bit was a roach.
(Sales of alligator clips alone back then was sufficient to keep Radio Shack in the black.)
gussie
This is the debate clock (and I think explains, ‘why Kasich?’):
Rubio: 8:44
Fiorina: 8:37
Kasich: 8:06
Trump: 7:44
Cruz: 6:52
Christie: 6:30
Huckabee: 5:47
Carson: 5:28
Paul: 5:03
Bush: 4:56
From here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bush-campaign-cnbc-complaints
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
That’s not the moderators’ job.
TV has canceled better series than these b.s fests after fewer than three episodes.
Nate Dawg
Wow. Bush got 4:56???? Wow.
Emma
I didn’t watch but from comments I read only one of the moderators was prepared. Everyone else sucked.
benw
@lamh36: I didn’t watch either. Can’t stand these guys. Any of them getting a fingernail away from the Presidency is stomach-churning.
amk
media pundtwits have written off dumbya3.
good bye, mofo, we hardly knew ya.
RaflW
@Amir Khalid: CNBC was just awful. But so are the candidates.
The main stage should be capped at 6 at this point. Sorry Jen¡, you won’t be in the next one.
If they promote anyone from the kiddie table as the mainstage winnows, then this will continue to be a useless format for anything beyond press telling us broad impressions afterwards.
Corner Stone
@Nate Dawg:
That’s actually a really good 40yd time. Did not see that coming.
dmsilev
Hillary reacts to the debate: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/659555444202070016
And yes, that really is her official Twitter Account.
Renie
Guardian reports that ?JEB?s campaign mgr, Danny Diaz, was in a heated confrontation with a CNBC producer outside the debate as it was happening and Reince Priebus tweeted “CNBC should be ashamed of how this debate was handled.” Guess even he thinks the klowns all looked stupid tonite.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
You know that and I know that. Priebus is paid to pretend otherwise.
NotMax
@Nate DawgJeb (R-Antigonish).
benw
@Corner Stone: the scouts like Bush’s freakish wingspan and soft hands but say he gives intermittent effort. Grades as a high 3rd round pick.
pseudonymous in nc
“Shitty ingredients. Shitty pizza. Papa GOP’s.”
GregB
Roger Stone is a long time right wing rat-fucker who created a an anti-Hillary PAC Citizens United Not Timid.
Notice the acronym.
RaflW
This sums up poor little Jen¡ perfectly.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: What if you were Jamaican?.
dmsilev
So, when Jeb “rebooted” tonight, did someone accidentally put him into Safe Mode?
randy khan
@dmsilev: That’s gonna leave a mark.
Mike J
@pseudonymous in nc: I just finished dinner. Grilled a prosciutto, fig, and rocket pizza, and am now enjoying a brandy. Call me the anti-Papa John.
NotMax
@Omes Omnibus
Can’t see NY harbor from Jamaica (either one).
;)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
John Kasich: Hillary is brittle. She’s boring. She doesn’t exude any warmth. The democrats worry about me more than any other candidate.
Emma
@Mike J: Damn. That sounds delicious.
SRW1
@RaflW:
Wasn’t this typical CNBC? Unless they interview some ‘big mover’ for his or her insights, they improvise the details of most of their program. I think they deserve to eat some shit for their performance as moderators of this debate.
Redshift
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Low bar.
NotMax
@dmsilev
Will attribute autocorrect as the culprit altering the paid racist troll’s mantra from Real Strange to Real Change.
Mike J
@Emma: Made a jam out of the figs and used that for the sauce with a little moz on top, then when the crust was cooked topped it with the prosciutto and rocket.
Corner Stone
@benw: “Seems to get lost in a crowd. No consistent technique. Can’t shed blockers and get to the finish.”
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: But one might still call the item a spliff in 1976, no?*
*Noting for the record that neither Stone nor Kasich are, to my knowledge, Jamaican.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: As I said in the other thread, I honestly think Kasich has a serious medical issue.
redshirt
Just want to say I really dislike Apple. They just cost me 20 bucks for no good reason at all.
Another Holocene Human
Carson is Dr Hibbert from the Simpsons, the one who delivers your prognosis and then laughs inappropriately. Discuss.
Rising Above
It’s not over until the it’s over.
Jeb still has the cash to keep going and going and going and going. He’s in this thing until New Hampshire and probably until Florida.
Watch Jeb pull the big upset in NH and roll on to victory in the “big boy” states like Florida.
A marathon, not a sprint.
Marathon. And for this marathon, you need one thing and one thing only–BENJAMINS aka Cash fuckin’ Money! And Jeb has it.
Jeffro
@Nate Dawg: More importantly, he got less time than Whack-Job #1 Rand Paul. O how the mighty have fallen…
Nate Dawg
@redshirt: What, did your lightning cord break? They do live up to their name. Last about as long as lightning.
Another Holocene Human
@Mike J: I must have this
trollhattan
@Rising Above:
This just in: It’s over.
beltane
@Rising Above: In every marathon there is always someone who finishes last.
ms_canadada
Shouldn’t that be a positive? Pot? Really? Who cares about that now?
Corner Stone
Chairman Steele just went Ace of Base.
Nate Dawg
Yeah, I just started watching him closely and noticed it too.
His lip movements are bizarre, but people can have non-medical tics. Or even a mild form of Tourette’s.
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
In Europe, yes, but (in my admittedly limited experience) the term would have been met with a black stare in NY.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman:
“Marco Rubio is a formidable debater and … hahahahahahahaha…. Oh fuck… I mean, hahahahaha…. I can’t even…. Shit.”
ThresherK (GPad)
@dmsilev: It’d be hard figuring out his Last Known Good Configuration.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: ????
ms_canadada
@RaflW: I’ve got a spare room! And we’ve just elected Justin Trudeau. Happy days are here again!
Amir Khalid
@Rising Above:
Is that flop sweat I see glistening on your forehead?
trollhattan
@beltane:
Once saw a dude die while competing in a triathlon. I think John Bush is that dude–not technically a finisher.
amk
@Rising Above: you don’t know what a marathon is, do you?
Emma
@Mike J: You know, after two weeks in Tuscany and Umbria eating like that I have never been able to face American pizza again.
SRW1
@Rising Above:
What, even you won’t pretend any more that Jebbie is gonna make it past NH!? His goose is truly cooked!
second of third
I think Cruz won tonight’s GOP debate…basically by virtue of not aligning hisself with Trump, Carson or Rubio while cheerleading himself as an anti-gov’t crusader.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Tweety debating if the media is liberal with two professional Republicans (and Chuck Todd), one of whom worked for John Sprinkles McCain, over whether the media is liberal.
I’m flipping around because I really don’t care, just waiting to see if they bring on someone who can at least be amusing about all this, but Steve Schmidt was positively giddy about Marco calling HRC a liar over Benghazi. It was the only time I’ve seen him display anything resembling a personality.
ms_canadada
@Mike J: I saw that on twitter. I love twitter, especially during these so-called Republican debates. Lots of hilarious comments.
Nate Dawg
@Rising Above:
In the gangbang orgy that is the GOP campaign, Jeb’s gonna cum last. If he cums at all….
NotMax
@Rising Above
In short, Real Hope for Real Change?
What a maroon.
Apparently your previous touting of a two-fisted breakout performance is now non-operative.
Omnes Omnibus
@SRW1: Dear god, even his paid spam trolls are saying he is done for.
ThresherK (GPad)
@Corner Stone: All that he Wants is Another Baby?
I’m not at a TV. Is Steele making less sense than usual?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and don’t a lot of people shit themselves?
Nate Dawg
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I like Steve Schmidt, mostly because of how much he shat upon Sarah Palin, but that #BENGHAZI!!!!! freakout just now was ridiculous. Marco Rubio is talking to a small audience of 27% of people, and literally no one else gives a shit about it.
Rising Above
@trollhattan:
That’s what people were saying when George W. lost to John McCain in NH, or when Florida was called for Gore.
Do you remember the latter? Were you shouting for joy, thinking “IT’S OVER?”
Lol. Don’t “misunderestimate” the power of Bush.
Omnes Omnibus
@Nate Dawg: Ew.
@efgoldman: Ew again.
Villago Delenda Est
@GregB: Stone is a Nixon loyalist to this day. Didn’t see anything wrong with obstructing justice in the name of retaining power.
Utter scum.
gene108
Voter turn out is important and all, but I am not sure what to do when 75% of my fellow NJ residents are unaware there is an election next Tuesday.
The entire General Assembly, many county wide offices and local offices will be on the ballot.
Nate Dawg
@Rising Above: Like 9/11, this is an inside job.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Rising Above: BTW, Sparky, exit polling from the 1992 election showed that Perot pulled votes equally from HW Bush and Clinton.
The Pale Scot
@redshirt:
THAT was a great weekend, will always remember the crew of the Danish ship walking down the street together like a horde of bronzed Nordic gods in striped shirts.
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Oh, so three professional Republicans, then?
Tweety should ask Hillary sometime if the media’s liberal or just elitist and/or just loves a good horse race…
RaflW
@Rising Above:
This is as close to realism as I’ve seen in many months of trolling. Congrats on finding a glimmer of sanity.
That “probably” just sounds so sad, though, coming from you.
Villago Delenda Est
@Rising Above: Ron fucking Paul got more time tonight than ¡Heb!.
His crusts are as burnt as Chris Christie’s.
Felonius Monk
@Rising Above:
Yes, he does. He’ll just keep going and going until he’s gone. It won’t be long now. He’s already stepped in dog shit and is skidding toward the exit.
Redshift
@Rising Above:
“Probably”? If even you can’t summon the will to say he’s definitely going all the way, the ref should call the fight. He’s done.
beltane
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: At the finish line of the NY Marathon I used to see runners in all kinds of messed up shape, unconscious, IVs in their arms, etc. If Jeb were smart he’d run halfway across the Verrazano bridge and call it a day.
Omnes Omnibus
@Villago Delenda Est: Ron?
Nate Dawg
@beltane:
Or off it.
srv
So over.
cokane
meh, who cares?
i mean it’s not like Kasich’s hypocrisy about weed is any worse than Obama’s.
Villago Delenda Est
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh, I meant Rand. Still, that’s how badly ¡Heb! is doing.
Elie
@Mike J:
That sounds bitchin’ good. I am definitely stealing….
Having many laughs reading the comments here tonight. Y’all are a sharp bunch off assholes…
Jeffro
@Villago Delenda Est:
Yup. Time for these debate host networks to tighten up their requirements and just go with the top 5. I mean, it’s entertaining, but I’d really like viewers to get much bigger doses of what Trump, Carson, Rubio, Cruz, and ? really stand for.
Especially Carson and Cruz, holy cow.
Villago Delenda Est
@cokane: Let’s talk about Roger Stone’s swinging ads.
Omnes Omnibus
@cokane: Interesting that you feel you need to bring Obama into the discussion.
Amir Khalid
The Republican reaction to the debate seems to be that the party lost. That’s going to take some of the shine off Rubio having the least-bad performance of the night.
Jeffro
Btw HuffPo headline at the moment: RUBIO TAKES CHARGE
Sub-headline: Roaring applause as Cruz slams the press
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman:
Don’t even get me started on algebra.
@efgoldman: I’ll turn this car around….
gene108
@Villago Delenda Est:
That pretty much sums up all the ex-Nixonites, from Pat Buchanan to Dick Cheney.
Anyone associated with Tricky Dick thinks the problem is not his abuse of power, but that he got caught red handed.
This is one big reason Bush, Jr’s White House made sure no one ever got their e-mails and anything they did say was off the record or worded in such weasely way they had deniability because the exact wording did not say what they tried to get people to believe, i.e. and I loosely recreate a Bush & Co like statement circa 2002 or 2003′, “9/11 was a terrible tragedy, Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda are terrible people and the Taliban is also terrible for hurting so many of their own people. Saddam Hussein also hurt many of his own people by dropping poison gas on them.”
Literally Bush & Co never said Saddam was responsible for 9/11 but sentences like that sure got people making incorrect associations.
RaflW
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Monty Python’s Marathon for the Incontinent springs to mind.
Nate Dawg
The press wants to push people toward Rubio, for whatever reason, but the base isn’t going to get behind a “Mexicorn-lovin’ Mexicorn” that was for immigration reform.
They don’t understand that immigration reform is the #1 issue in the base right now.
Felonius Monk
Roger Stone was Trump’s top adviser until Trump “fired” him in early August (according to Trump) or he quit (according to Stone). But Stone has continued to support Trump in every interview of him that I have seen.
beltane
From Matt Drudge’s Twitter feed via The Guardian:
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: It was never actually said in my family, so I may have gotten it wrong.
Elie
@Nate Dawg:
this is the quote for tonight IMO — ding, ding, ding, ding!
“In the gangbang orgy that is the GOP campaign, Jeb’s gonna cum last. If he cums at all”
Omnes Omnibus
@Elie: Ew, once more.
NotMax
@efgoldman
Remember “fuzzy math?”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@beltane: He’s got at least one good writer, or a writer with at least one good line.
If Rubio does win it, here’s hoping the Bushies blame him and leak a whole bunch of shit on him
RaflW
@Jeffro: I totally agree. Ben Carson was in over his head tonight, if you were paying attention at all. Take several of the poo-flinging hyenas off the stage so that Carson has to spin out 90 second answers, or handle follow-ups, and it’ll be clear that he’s a novelty who’s flavor is passé.
burnspbesq
Speeking of people losing their shit, the current pie-fight over Douthat’s recent anti-Francis derp-fest is amusing me to no end. Here’s the latest lemon-meringue salvo.
http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/theology-and-hate
Redshift
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, “Hillary is a big liar about Benghazi” is apparently a really popular idea among Republicans, so as far as the GOP nomination is concerned, he may not be wrong. After the Hillary event last Friday, there were a few wingnuts outside with signs saying “Democrats support the biggest liar!” or some such. I thought about telling them that she’s not remotely in the same league with their guys in that department, but I didn’t want to engage them.
Corner Stone
“Ha! I need more!”
/Tweety
RaflW
@Jeffro: I did have a bit of a sense that Rubio did some serious turnout for the debate. Not sure how he might have stacked the audience given the news about tight ticket allotments. Maybe Coloradans just like him, but it seemed slightly odd.
Ruckus
@Felonius Monk:
I think actually he’s fallen face first into the still warm dog shit. And he did it on flat, level ground with absolutely no obstructions. He’s that good.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus:
It’s a creation of the Arabs.
Corner Stone
Tweety is fucking these poor labor Republicans right the fuck up. Surprising.
Elie
@Omnes Omnibus:
It is just so — fittin’ in so many many ways…
This is the saddest group of mthfkuhs — honestly. In my New Yorker email today, there was actually a piece questioning whether the Republicans wanted to commit suicide. I think that one must seriously consider that this is a real possibility. I think it HAD to drive the decision of the House to up the debt limit and settle the budget cause what few sane Republican people remaining in that institution had to conclude that the party would not survive having THAT piano on their back AND the unbelievably horrible candidates that have been drawn to this year’s Republican party candidacy.
Omnes Omnibus
@BillinGlendaleCA: I was trying to avoid saying that lest I rile up the nativists.
NotMax
@RafW
Only saw a few clips, but Carson evinced a noticeably one-sided sneer at times, as if the other side of his face is partially paralyzed.
No drooping eye as in Bell’s Palsy, but does give one pause as to his medical status.
Also, picking “Rubio licks his lips” for a drinking game seems to be a sure bet.
Corner Stone
@BillinGlendaleCA: Man. God bless those Arabs.
Mike in NC
Maybe next time Rubio will get to stand on a milk crate.
Omnes Omnibus
@Elie: Look any references to that group and an orgy bring images to the mind that banish sleep.
Elie
@Mike in NC:
Lordy yes! He is a little dude.
Corner Stone
@Mike in NC: He’s like 5’6″ in real life, amirite?
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
I don’t give a shit about a lot of things, haven’t quite got to this one yet. But I’m thinking that the tipping point is very, very close.
BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: I think Carson has a lazy eye. The wife had Bell’s Palsy once, scary as shit.
Nate Dawg
Tweety’s take: The Republican party wants their own Barack Obama. . . . . and apparently it’s Rubio!
“The exchange with Bush is going to be one of the defining moments of the campaign.”
Uh-huh. Just like the “yes we can” speech! That defining!
Elie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Double EWWWWW! Aint that the truth!
Time to re order some Brain Bleach!
SFAW
@Rising Above:
So, basically, the way to Bush victory is cheating? Or buying the refs?
Quelle fucking surprise.
NotMax
@efgoldman
Also on the list:
“Because I said so!”
“Were you born in a barn?”
” ‘Hey’ is for horses.”
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: Sure, you have that privilege. Some of the rest of us plan to be around for another 400 years or so.*
*I was promised hover cars and I am staying around until I get hover cars, dammit.
Betty Cracker
Chuck Todd, Tweety and A. Parker of the NYT are man-crushing on Rubio something FIERCE.
Jeffro
@Nate Dawg:
It’s not (necessarily) the press pushing towards Rubio…it’s that he’s the only viable non-crazy GOP pick left. The base will get behind him just fine: he’s American-born, he’s dropped his own immigration reform plan (…”based upon the sensible input of people from around our party and around our great nation”…), and he just about covers every faction within the GOP.
He’s clearly growing as a candidate, relatively speaking that is. He just put the last knife in Jeb?’s back and co-opted Cruz’s anti-media message wholesale.
Just watch: there will still be the kids’ table weirdos out there grifting (at least until Rand Paul drops out and Santorum’s/Jindal’s funders switch over to Cruz or Rubio). Bush will be gone by Thanksgiving; I think Trump has high potential to drop out once that happens (citing of course that he MADE the GOP add his anti-immigrant rantings to the party platform).
But Rubio’s the guy and once the Establishment coalesces around him, a lot of the rest and a lot of the other candidates (Huck, Kaisch, Fiorina, maybe Christie) will fall into line. The “potential VP” line, that is.
Corner Stone
@Betty Cracker: FIERCE!
mclaren
News flash:
Zookeepers announced today that efforts to get the Bush presidency to reproduce in captivity had failed. Despite dressing up in Oval Office regalia, the zookeepers could not entice Jeb to leave his grotto. A spokesman for the zoo said that the Bush political dynasty must now be considered an endangered species, and may become extinct.
Elie
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Naw — its just what happens when he wants to kill something and can’t. The iris drifts laterally a little and the eyelid droops just a smidge as a “tell”. If we hooked him up to an EEG he might be having some weird activity in the region that controls or illicits aggression… Its a feature….
Nate Dawg
@Betty Cracker: Chuck Todd actually misspoke and called Marco Rubio “Barack Obama”. He caught himself and laughed, but seriously . . . all we need is Tweety getting a chill up his leg and it’s done!
RaflW
@NotMax: I’ve been wondering if Carson has very early stage dementia. He gave up surgery, he’s got this weird flat affect, he seems to struggle to recall bits of stump speech he’s memorized.
My dad had it, turned a very smart and engaged retired CEO into a kindly but befuddled man in 3 years. Thankfully he was in his late 70s when things got kinda bad.
I could be flat out wrong, and I’m not trying to be mean or snarky, it just occurred to me that Carson might be slipping in the mental acuity realm and unable to step back and ask himself if this campaign thing is a good idea in that case.
divF
@Mike J:
Must run in the family. When GHWB was running for President in 1980, people noticed how poorly synchronized his speech was with his gestures. There was speculation that poor George had ended up in a in a shallow grave at Langley when he was CIA director, and had been replaced with a poorly designed android.
Elie
@mclaren:
I gotta give you that this comment is pretty funny…
SFAW
@Mike in NC:
Maybe Jon Lovitz can stand in for him at the next debate.
Betty Cracker
@mclaren: Haha, well done!
amk
Josh Barro Verified account @jbarro 6h6 hours ago
Jeb Bush announces endorsement from ex-AZ Governor Fife Symington, who was pardoned by Bill Clinton in 2001 and claims he once saw a UFO.
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Jim, Foolish Literalist
Corner Stone
@Betty Cracker: It seems like the Bush Crime Family somehow made sure that Rubio got all the good press and headlines from this debacle,…errr debate.
IMO, they want Rubio standing in front of the line. Trump is softening his attacks and Carson is just flat fucking nuts. So Bush needs to keep Rubio out front as the next target.
Rubio can’t balance a checkbook, per CNBC, and is a monetary moron.
Elie
I missed the main debate… what happened to Trump tonight? Not much snark from youze guys on “possum head”…
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: Guaranteed to happen after he was the least bad of the parade of horrors (Kasich is an old fashioned conservative asshole, so he is something else). I’ll admit that I split time between the debate, the Dark Shadows movie, and an important phone call; I may have missed something. But that was my impression.
trollhattan
@Elie:
Let’s find him a tank for him to poke his head (haid!) out of.
amk
The Daily Edge @TheDailyEdge 8h8 hours ago
Overinflated #blimp described as “huge waste of money” sags feebly to ground in what experts call a perfect metaphor for @JebBush campaign
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SFAW
@mclaren:
Said Joe Wilson, head zookeeper: “He just sits in the corner, licking his … “
NotMax
@Mike in NC
Made me remember the line of one wag (New Yorker?) put out after the 3-way mayoral debate in NYC during the 1969 election.
John Lindsay stood on his record, John Marchi stood on the issues, Mario Procaccino stood on a phone book.
Nate Dawg
@Jeffro: It’s far too late for that kind of good, deep analysis. So thanks. Watching the very first debate, my husband and I said that Marco Rubio was the biggest threat to Hillary. He’s young, fresh-faced, a complete shill for his betters (he literally has climbed the ladder shilling for them), and he *seems* well-spoken to some people.
I’m not actually convinced the base will get behind him, given the immigration stance. (See, e.g., Perry, Rick (R-Texas)). I just don’t see Trump dropping out while he is ahead. This is the fantasy that the pundits have been trying to sell, but the frontrunner doesn’t EVER drop out. Just doesn’t happen like that. Why would he? If Trump can win, he will win.
I do think Rubio may get the establishment vote this year, but I think perhaps that the crazies may actually put up a fight. See, they want their own Obama–someone to upset the establishment candidate, and since Jeb just took a boatload of money, flushed it down the drain, I don’t think any of the other candidates are going to be able to raise enough to mount a serious challenge to the crazy base’s favorite candidate who gets FREE votes for saying crazy shit.
ms_canadada
@Betty Cracker: There’s something happening here…what it is ain’t exactly clear…
Corner Stone
CNBC moderators…too liberal.
ms_canadada
@Ruckus: Never tipped points, but have tipped cows…Just sayin’.
Omnes Omnibus
@divF: WASPs generally are not hand talkers. It is learned behavior. Confession: I had had to be taught gestures in acting classes – they aren’t natural to me.
Jeffro
@Jeffro: My bad…was editing and for some reason it switched me to ‘undefined’?
Think I’ll let Bush’s campaign manager complain for me, about how badly I was treated…
Kay
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It’s such a disappointing attack. I thought it would be something genuinely scandalous.
Elie
@SFAW:
LOL! Now just stop, y’all — Too funny..
Mike J
@efgoldman: Is this a test to see if I’m a replicant or a lesbian?
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: I still want my hover cars.
NotMax
One must needs surmise that the advice of the family conclave to the Jebmeister boiled down to “Just stand there, keep your trap shut, and smile.”
Jeffro
@Nate Dawg:
Agreed, but Trump’s already showing some cracks…behind Carson in Iowa…no reason to think he won’t continue to slowly drop as (well, if) some of the top 11 drop out and coalesce behind an Establishment candidate. He won’t drop out while he’s the front-runner, you’re right. But if and once he’s not? He’ll quit before he can be branded a yuuugge loser with official primary and caucus results. (Or many of them, anyway)
divF
@Omnes Omnibus:
Whereas Italians (such as myself) can’t talk without moving their hands.
Nate Dawg
@Jeffro: I don’t buy it. New poll out has him WAY up. 32 vs. 18 for Carson, in a national poll. I think that anytime a poll has dipped, pundits immediately clamor to proclaim his demise, but until it’s sustained a bit more, I wouldn’t count him out.
I must admit, I also think I’m biased because it’s always Carson ousting him. They both are crazy choices, and somewhat interchangeable among hardcore wingers, so I think it could possibly switch between the two.
Hopefully the caucuses in Iowa erupt in fisticuffs when people actually have to decide which batshit they are going to vote for.
ms_canadada
@Mike J: Either/Or. It’s all good.
Elie
@efgoldman:
I definitely hear you and THAT. Was hoping that others could risk a few braincells to recount …
Felonius Monk
@Omnes Omnibus:
I still want that electricity that going to be too cheap to meter. Fuck the hover cars.
Omnes Omnibus
@divF: The world is an interesting place.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Nate Dawg: Only problem with Marco is he has a past and isn’t very bright.
Omnes Omnibus
@Felonius Monk: Well, since your wish is probably a necessity for hover cars, I don’t see how we are in disagreement.
Nate Dawg
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/we-have-our-final-six_1055055.html
Nate Dawg
This is really bad for Jeb*. Pundits are calling him over in a way that is hard to come back from.
*John Bush
Omnes Omnibus
@Nate Dawg: I ain’t clicking on a Weekly Standard link, but the excerpt you posted is pure drivel.
mclaren
@Mike J:
“The GOP candidate lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over. But it can’t. Not without your help. But you’re not helping. You’re not helping, Mike! Why is that?”
Peale
@BillinGlendaleCA: the problem is that people don’t know Rubio, so,all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is, and wallah…he’s the most intelligent candidate we have.
Peale
@BillinGlendaleCA: the problem is that people don’t know Rubio, so,all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is, and wallah…he’s the most intelligent candidate we have.
Peale
@BillinGlendaleCA: the problem is that people don’t know Rubio, so,all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is, and wallah…he’s the most intelligent candidate we have.
Omnes Omnibus
@Peale: “We?”
ETA: And “wallah?”
BillinGlendaleCA
@mclaren: I’ve been told that John Bush is a ‘happy turtle’, I guess not so much.
benw
@mclaren: *folds small Origami bird and sets it on mclaren’s dresser*
gelfling545
@Renie: Well, they probably should be ashamed but, in fairness, there was probably no way to keep all those Republicans off the stage.
chopper
@Rising Above:
there’s that loser talk again.
Steeplejack
@efgoldman:
“If I have to come back there I’ll give you something to cry about!”
Omnes Omnibus
@chopper: No one wins when they use Lenny Kravitz lyrics unironically.
Kay
@Nate Dawg:
Ugh. It has a name now. It’s not privatizing Social Security. It’s reforming Social Security.
Peale
@Omnes Omnibus: I like tea salesmen and get confused with the viola. Like what is magical about a viola? The most redundant instrument in the orchestra. But good chai is amazing.
Nate Dawg
@Omnes Omnibus:
I think it can be instructive where things are headed.
Felonius Monk
@efgoldman: Yeah, just pay the additional small shipping & handling for an extra set.
Omnes Omnibus
@Peale: You have chosen the most offensive method of attack on me. I played viola. I deplore your tactics and suggest that an unspecified number of your ancestors smelt of elderberries.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Kay: they’ve been saying that for years, and I believe it’s one Lutz-ism that can’t be sold.
ETA: I did click on the Standard link to see if I recognized the by-line, I didn’t, but the guy was bashing on Kasich, and the sense I’m getting from the tweets and brief quotes from R’s is that he has very little support aside from Tweety and Twitter Nixon
benw
@Kay: *the terms “pro-life” and “charter schools” look up and wave happily at Kay*
DemJayhawks
@mclaren: Slow down there, tiger. This line of questioning bodes ill for you.
divF
@Nate Dawg:
I won’t click on the link, because (1) Weekly Standard, and (2) the quote has that smug, always-wrong-but-never-in-doubt tone of Bill Kristol, in which case, what is the point.
patrick II
@Peale:
all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is
Is this your clever way of repeating how gifted and intelligent Rubio is?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and speaking of Twitter Nixon, because I did:
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: It is rather interesting that Twitter Nixon is really good at breaking down the GOP happenings, but is much less adept at the same thing on the Dem. side.
redshirt
mclaren iz learning….
BillinGlendaleCA
@efgoldman: I thought the line was ‘saving Social Security for future generations’.
Adam L Silverman
@Felonius Monk: This is exactly it. A lot of the coverage going into today was on Governor Kasich. For both bashing Trump and Carson – calling them out as crazy, etc. Charles Pierce at Esquire estimated early on Wednesday that if Kasich had a decent showing tonight he’d be declared the winner of the Morning Joe primary on Thursday morning. Given Stone’s known predilection for ratfucking, this was basically a brush back pitch.
Redshift
@efgoldman: Probably, but SolarCity actually does lease arrangements where you pay nothing, and they collect the payments from the power company. I doubt they do robocalls; I’d imagine any company that does is looking to make more up front than they do. But aside from that, such deals do legitimately exist.
TS
@Nate Dawg:
Tweety’s take: The Republican party wants their own Barack Obama. . . . . and apparently it’s Rubio!
That ANYONE can mention Rubio in the same sentence as Barack Obama – this is the US media – full on stupid.
Nate Dawg
Night yall. Thanks for the laughs.
Felonius Monk
I wonder if they take the debaters back to the asylum individually or as a group when the debate is over. Do they ever televise this. Does anybody know?
Redshift
@efgoldman: Yeah, ever since Luntz told them privatization polled badly, they’ve been calling it stuff like “entitlement reform” and when Dems (accurately) accused them of wanting to privatize it, they would try to insist that it was a lie.
I don’t know if it ever really meant anything else, but “reform” is so vague in politics that it just means “change, but we promise it’ll be a good change, really!”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Omnes Omnibus: I hope he’s right about flavor of the moment Rubio
I think he’s got that last one nailed, as Rubio proved with his tantrumy rant about Obama being soft on ISIS to suck up to Iran. Professor Kristol gave him an A for that presentation.
Steeplejack
I’ve been catching up on the threads since getting home from watching the debate at my brother’s house. An excruciating ordeal eased only by good pizza, good wine and amiable company. Although I had to stifle my rage a bit because the baby was sleeping upstairs.
I guess where I am now is the situation that a Juicer laid out this morning. Can’t remember who it was, or if he/she was quoting someone else, but it’s basically this conundrum: (1) Looked at as a group, one of these candidates will inevitably win the Republican nomination for president. Duh. (2) But, looking at them individually, each of them has at least one compelling reason (or more!) why he (or she) should never be allowed within a mile of the presidency. They are nuts. Saying (for example) that Cruz is better than Trump is only saying that Cruz should be kept a mile away from the presidency but Trump should be kept two miles away. It boggles the mind.
Watching the tweet crawl at the bottom of the screen was occasionally funny. As someone quoted in an earlier thread, “This isn’t a debate, it’s a poetry slam—without the poetry.” There was also a good one about the candidates complaining about not getting enough time to talk, yet they were all in favor of cutting the debate time from three hours to two.
Personal note: I got into it a bit with my brother about Social Security “reform”—specifically, raising the age of eligibility—and the old thing about how the government caused the financial crash by forcing all those hapless lenders to issue mortgage loans to unqualified buyers. I went off on him pretty strongly on both those things, and we retired to neutral corners.
My brother is a fairly reliable Democrat, but I suspect that if he weren’t gay he might be one of Tommy’s “reasonable” Republicans—socially liberal and fiscally conservative. As a (fairly savvy) investor, he gets too much of his news filtered through the financial media (my opinion, of course). So his argument about Social Security was that when it started life expectancy was such that people received benefits for only five or ten years, but now people receive benefits for 20-30 years! So of course the only (fiscally prudent) solution that occurs to him is to stretch out existing benefits, reduce the time that people are eligible, etc. Ugh. Finally I sort of shut him by saying that we’re supposed to be the richest country on earth, but somehow we can’t afford anything remotely approaching the benefits of the socialist European hellholes without bankrupting ourselves?! I think he sort of glimpses the reality but hasn’t quite gotten to the point of looking at it directly.
The other thing that I picked up is that he is somewhat susceptible to GOP propaganda that leads to him kicking down rather than punching up. He sort of buys into “SSD and welfare fraud,” etc., and wants government to “tighten up on the waste.” On the other hand, he clearly sees the way that the 0.01 percent is financially raping the country, but he doesn’t allow himself to get worked up about that, because he feels powerless to do anything about it. He (direct quote) “doesn’t have a phalanx of lawyers to lobby Congress and work the loopholes in the law.”
Anyway, I keep working on him, and he seems to end up voting the right way, so there’s that.
ETA: My brother thinks Kasich could be vote-worthy, so I’ve got to compile my oppo research on him.
NotMax
@Steeplejack
Was hoping to catch up with you. Learned another trick if your microwave rice is problematic, which is to add a smidgen of acid (vinegar or lemon juice or sour salt similar) to the cooking water to aid the grains in not clumping.
Steeplejack
@Felonius Monk:
Short bus.
amk
jebbie, the boy
Steeplejack
@NotMax:
Cool. I saved your previous comment, and I’ll add a note in my (voluminous) Balloon Juice “keeper” doc.
Anne Laurie
@efgoldman:
Here in Massachusetts, some people seem to be getting almost that good a deal. There’s a state rebate, and for “showcase” houses, some local companies are offering finance deals where they cover the installation & then collect the buy-back-excess-power fees from the energy companies. At least one acquaintance got her home hooked up “free” & says they’re still paying less every month now.
redshirt
I still say Trump is the least worst/best of them because he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. He’s an actor. And a businessman, which is often the same thing.
ruemara
I thought I should continue my track record of taking bold steps and joined a dating service thing. Nearly 30 minutes later, I can safely say I have no idea what any of these people are about, nor am I interested. Since yesterday’s bold step in the gym has resulted in a near immobilizing arm injury that may have me out of the gym for a bit, I do wonder what sort of lunatic tonight’s bold step will untether from it’s moors. And someone has already asked me out, despite lack of picture or details. Yeesh. *delete account*
NotMax
@Steeplejack
Perhaps he might find enlightening the recent report from Credit Suisse (summary) that the top 1% has crossed a threshold, now owning over 50% of the entire world’s wealth.
Full report (.pdf).
Ruckus
Today at break time some one was discussing the girl in school who got beat up by the cop. One of the fellas was saying that you just obey what the cop says. Always. I asked him if saying no to a cop deserves getting the shit beat out of you. Yes was the answer. There was no concept of why there are cops in school in the first place and that it was OK because he asked her to leave before he attacked her. He’s not an old fart, he’s half the age of one. I fear for our society. There are enough young people who have bought the entire conservative line of shit that I think none of this will get better in a very long time if ever.
Steeplejack
My other take-aways from the debate tonight were (1) that neither Christie nor Huckabee seems to have benefitted from bariatric surgery and (2) that Christie’s tactic of turning to look directly into the camera to address “the American people” was sort of creepy and off-putting. It somehow got into that “uncanny valley” zone of almost but not quite real.
Goblue72
@Steeplejack: The average age back then was lower due to the much larger percentage of the population that died as children – polio, scarlet fever, measles, influenza, etc.
For people who survived childhood into adulthood, the general life expectancy in the 1930s wasn’t much shorter than today. So for those who managed to live long enough to collect Social Security, once they did, they did so for not much less length of time on average than today.
Your brother has been fooled by GOP and Wall Street using simple averages to create a lie about Social Security.
srv
Nate Silver says Jeb is toast
Next up for Trumpzilla, Hillary Clinton.
redshirt
@efgoldman: Was it via a zine? Or a flyer?
ruemara
@efgoldman: I just don’t think I’m built for these shenanigans.
redshirt
@ruemara: How about speed dating?
xian
@Omnes Omnibus: wow that guy sounds like UNLIMITED CORORATE CASH guy from last time.
and Kasich is or was a Deadhead. They threw him off their stage once in DC when he tried to glom his way on.
xian
@chopper: “the only poll that counts is the one on election day,” said every losing campaign manager ever
sherparick
@Baud: I expect so. From what I read of Roger, he is essentially a sociopath who stops just short of killing people actually, enjoying the same thrill by destroying political careers. He probably held this little story on Kasich over the years to use it at the right moment.