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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Late Night Open Thread: Your WTF? Peanut Gallery Comment of the Evening

Late Night Open Thread: Your WTF? Peanut Gallery Comment of the Evening

by Anne Laurie|  October 28, 201510:34 pm| 223 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Republican Venality

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Hypocrisy ? I fired John Kasich from the 1976 Reagan Campaign … For selling pot to other field men

— Roger Stone (@RogerJStoneJr) October 29, 2015

Retweeted by Mother Jones’ Clara Jeffrey; only other reference I can find so far is a DKos diary. I’m assuming this has to be some of that famous Roger Stone Sense of Funny in action, but why now and why Kasich?

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    October 28, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    Maybe there’s personal animosity.

  2. 2.

    EZSmirkzz

    October 28, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    I can haz helicopter now?

    Ben?

    Ben?

  3. 3.

    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    That debate made me think quite seriously about the spare room in my cousin’s house just outside Stockholm, Sweden. They said I was welcome any time. Do you think they’ll still feel that way when I don’t leave for the duration of the campaign. (Don’t chew me out, I’ll vote by mail.)

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    Time to dust of the “youthful indiscretion” boilerplate.

  5. 5.

    different-church-lady

    October 28, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    @RaflW: Was it over when the Germans abandoned Pearl Harbor?!?

  6. 6.

    Mike J

    October 28, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    Albert Brooks ‏@AlbertBrooks 45m45 minutes ago
    It looks like George Bush is operating Jeb’s arms.

  7. 7.

    lamh36

    October 28, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    Hmmm, didn’t watch the debate, I’d rather be bleeding from the ears than have these guys voices in my head…but I see alot of positive commentary going Rubio’s way.

    However I feel about HRC, if Rubio is the nominee, HRC will wipe the floor with him. It may be Biden-Ryan type take down.

  8. 8.

    redshirt

    October 28, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    I smoked a spliff with Kasich in 76 when the Big Boats were cruising NY harbor. Groovy.

  9. 9.

    redshirt

    October 28, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    @lamh36: Hillary will destroy all of them.

  10. 10.

    Amir Khalid

    October 28, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    Per the Grauniad’s liveblog, Priebus is ticked off at CNBC’s moderators for not making any Republican candidate look good. But I fear that cause was lost from the outset: the more of these debates they hold, the less their candidates seem like presidents in waiting.

  11. 11.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    @redshirt

    Anachronism.

    It was a joint. The last bit was a roach.

    (Sales of alligator clips alone back then was sufficient to keep Radio Shack in the black.)

  12. 12.

    gussie

    October 28, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    This is the debate clock (and I think explains, ‘why Kasich?’):

    Rubio: 8:44
    Fiorina: 8:37
    Kasich: 8:06
    Trump: 7:44
    Cruz: 6:52
    Christie: 6:30
    Huckabee: 5:47
    Carson: 5:28
    Paul: 5:03
    Bush: 4:56

    From here: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bush-campaign-cnbc-complaints

  13. 13.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    @Amir Khalid

    That’s not the moderators’ job.

    TV has canceled better series than these b.s fests after fewer than three episodes.

  14. 14.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    Wow. Bush got 4:56???? Wow.

  15. 15.

    Emma

    October 28, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    I didn’t watch but from comments I read only one of the moderators was prepared. Everyone else sucked.

  16. 16.

    benw

    October 28, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    @lamh36: I didn’t watch either. Can’t stand these guys. Any of them getting a fingernail away from the Presidency is stomach-churning.

  17. 17.

    amk

    October 28, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    media pundtwits have written off dumbya3.

    good bye, mofo, we hardly knew ya.

  18. 18.

    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    @Amir Khalid: CNBC was just awful. But so are the candidates.

    The main stage should be capped at 6 at this point. Sorry Jen¡, you won’t be in the next one.

    If they promote anyone from the kiddie table as the mainstage winnows, then this will continue to be a useless format for anything beyond press telling us broad impressions afterwards.

  19. 19.

    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    @Nate Dawg:

    Wow. Bush got 4:56

    That’s actually a really good 40yd time. Did not see that coming.

  20. 20.

    dmsilev

    October 28, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    Hillary reacts to the debate: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/659555444202070016

    And yes, that really is her official Twitter Account.

  21. 21.

    Renie

    October 28, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    Guardian reports that ?JEB?s campaign mgr, Danny Diaz, was in a heated confrontation with a CNBC producer outside the debate as it was happening and Reince Priebus tweeted “CNBC should be ashamed of how this debate was handled.” Guess even he thinks the klowns all looked stupid tonite.

  22. 22.

    Amir Khalid

    October 28, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @NotMax:
    You know that and I know that. Priebus is paid to pretend otherwise.

  23. 23.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @Nate DawgJeb (R-Antigonish).

    Yesterday, upon the stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there.
    He wasn’t there again today,
    I wish, I wish he’d go away…

    When I came home last night at three,
    The man was waiting there for me
    But when I looked around the hall,
    I couldn’t see him there at all!
    Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!
    Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door…

    Last night I saw upon the stair,
    A little man who wasn’t there,
    He wasn’t there again today
    Oh, how I wish he’d go away…

  24. 24.

    benw

    October 28, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    @Corner Stone: the scouts like Bush’s freakish wingspan and soft hands but say he gives intermittent effort. Grades as a high 3rd round pick.

  25. 25.

    pseudonymous in nc

    October 28, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    “Shitty ingredients. Shitty pizza. Papa GOP’s.”

  26. 26.

    GregB

    October 28, 2015 at 10:57 pm

    Roger Stone is a long time right wing rat-fucker who created a an anti-Hillary PAC Citizens United Not Timid.

    Notice the acronym.

  27. 27.

    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    This sums up poor little Jen¡ perfectly.
    ‏

    @BenjySarlin
    Asked Bush campaign manager Danny Diaz about Jeb’s mood after debate. “He appreciated the opportunity.”

  28. 28.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    @NotMax: What if you were Jamaican?.

  29. 29.

    dmsilev

    October 28, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    So, when Jeb “rebooted” tonight, did someone accidentally put him into Safe Mode?

  30. 30.

    randy khan

    October 28, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    @dmsilev: That’s gonna leave a mark.

  31. 31.

    Mike J

    October 28, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    @pseudonymous in nc: I just finished dinner. Grilled a prosciutto, fig, and rocket pizza, and am now enjoying a brandy. Call me the anti-Papa John.

  32. 32.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    @Omes Omnibus

    Can’t see NY harbor from Jamaica (either one).

    ;)

  33. 33.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 28, 2015 at 10:59 pm

    John Kasich: Hillary is brittle. She’s boring. She doesn’t exude any warmth. The democrats worry about me more than any other candidate.

  34. 34.

    Emma

    October 28, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    @Mike J: Damn. That sounds delicious.

  35. 35.

    SRW1

    October 28, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    @RaflW:

    Wasn’t this typical CNBC? Unless they interview some ‘big mover’ for his or her insights, they improvise the details of most of their program. I think they deserve to eat some shit for their performance as moderators of this debate.

  36. 36.

    Redshift

    October 28, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    The democrats worry about me more than any other candidate.

    Low bar.

  37. 37.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    @dmsilev

    Will attribute autocorrect as the culprit altering the paid racist troll’s mantra from Real Strange to Real Change.

  38. 38.

    Mike J

    October 28, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    @Emma: Made a jam out of the figs and used that for the sauce with a little moz on top, then when the crust was cooked topped it with the prosciutto and rocket.

  39. 39.

    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    @benw: “Seems to get lost in a crowd. No consistent technique. Can’t shed blockers and get to the finish.”

  40. 40.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    @NotMax: But one might still call the item a spliff in 1976, no?*

    *Noting for the record that neither Stone nor Kasich are, to my knowledge, Jamaican.

  41. 41.

    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: As I said in the other thread, I honestly think Kasich has a serious medical issue.

  42. 42.

    redshirt

    October 28, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    Just want to say I really dislike Apple. They just cost me 20 bucks for no good reason at all.

  43. 43.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 28, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    Carson is Dr Hibbert from the Simpsons, the one who delivers your prognosis and then laughs inappropriately. Discuss.

  44. 44.

    Rising Above

    October 28, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    It’s not over until the it’s over.

    Jeb still has the cash to keep going and going and going and going. He’s in this thing until New Hampshire and probably until Florida.

    Watch Jeb pull the big upset in NH and roll on to victory in the “big boy” states like Florida.

    A marathon, not a sprint.

    Marathon. And for this marathon, you need one thing and one thing only–BENJAMINS aka Cash fuckin’ Money! And Jeb has it.

  45. 45.

    Jeffro

    October 28, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    @Nate Dawg: More importantly, he got less time than Whack-Job #1 Rand Paul. O how the mighty have fallen…

  46. 46.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:06 pm

    @redshirt: What, did your lightning cord break? They do live up to their name. Last about as long as lightning.

  47. 47.

    Another Holocene Human

    October 28, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    @Mike J: I must have this

  48. 48.

    trollhattan

    October 28, 2015 at 11:08 pm

    @Rising Above:
    This just in: It’s over.

  49. 49.

    beltane

    October 28, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    @Rising Above: In every marathon there is always someone who finishes last.

  50. 50.

    ms_canadada

    October 28, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    Shouldn’t that be a positive? Pot? Really? Who cares about that now?

  51. 51.

    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    Chairman Steele just went Ace of Base.

  52. 52.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    Yeah, I just started watching him closely and noticed it too.

    His lip movements are bizarre, but people can have non-medical tics. Or even a mild form of Tourette’s.

  53. 53.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus

    In Europe, yes, but (in my admittedly limited experience) the term would have been met with a black stare in NY.

  54. 54.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    @efgoldman:

    The single most difficult thing the Dem nominee (probably HRC) has to do this election cycle is pretend to be worried about whichever klown eventually emerges from the klown kar.

    “Marco Rubio is a formidable debater and … hahahahahahahaha…. Oh fuck… I mean, hahahahaha…. I can’t even…. Shit.”

  55. 55.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 28, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    @dmsilev: It’d be hard figuring out his Last Known Good Configuration.

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    @Corner Stone: ????

  57. 57.

    ms_canadada

    October 28, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    @RaflW: I’ve got a spare room! And we’ve just elected Justin Trudeau. Happy days are here again!

  58. 58.

    Amir Khalid

    October 28, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    @Rising Above:
    Is that flop sweat I see glistening on your forehead?

  59. 59.

    trollhattan

    October 28, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    @beltane:
    Once saw a dude die while competing in a triathlon. I think John Bush is that dude–not technically a finisher.

  60. 60.

    amk

    October 28, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    @Rising Above: you don’t know what a marathon is, do you?

  61. 61.

    Emma

    October 28, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    @Mike J: You know, after two weeks in Tuscany and Umbria eating like that I have never been able to face American pizza again.

  62. 62.

    SRW1

    October 28, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    @Rising Above:

    He’s in this thing until New Hampshire and probably until Florida.

    What, even you won’t pretend any more that Jebbie is gonna make it past NH!? His goose is truly cooked!

  63. 63.

    second of third

    October 28, 2015 at 11:12 pm

    I think Cruz won tonight’s GOP debate…basically by virtue of not aligning hisself with Trump, Carson or Rubio while cheerleading himself as an anti-gov’t crusader.

  64. 64.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 28, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    Tweety debating if the media is liberal with two professional Republicans (and Chuck Todd), one of whom worked for John Sprinkles McCain, over whether the media is liberal.

    I’m flipping around because I really don’t care, just waiting to see if they bring on someone who can at least be amusing about all this, but Steve Schmidt was positively giddy about Marco calling HRC a liar over Benghazi. It was the only time I’ve seen him display anything resembling a personality.

  65. 65.

    ms_canadada

    October 28, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    @Mike J: I saw that on twitter. I love twitter, especially during these so-called Republican debates. Lots of hilarious comments.

  66. 66.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    @Rising Above:

    In the gangbang orgy that is the GOP campaign, Jeb’s gonna cum last. If he cums at all….

  67. 67.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    @Rising Above

    In short, Real Hope for Real Change?

    What a maroon.

    Apparently your previous touting of a two-fisted breakout performance is now non-operative.

  68. 68.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    @SRW1: Dear god, even his paid spam trolls are saying he is done for.

  69. 69.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    October 28, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    @Corner Stone: All that he Wants is Another Baby?

    I’m not at a TV. Is Steele making less sense than usual?

  70. 70.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 28, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    @efgoldman: In every marathon there is always someone who finishes last.
    And plenty of runners who don’t finish at all!

    and don’t a lot of people shit themselves?

  71. 71.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I like Steve Schmidt, mostly because of how much he shat upon Sarah Palin, but that #BENGHAZI!!!!! freakout just now was ridiculous. Marco Rubio is talking to a small audience of 27% of people, and literally no one else gives a shit about it.

  72. 72.

    Rising Above

    October 28, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    @trollhattan:

    That’s what people were saying when George W. lost to John McCain in NH, or when Florida was called for Gore.

    Do you remember the latter? Were you shouting for joy, thinking “IT’S OVER?”

    Lol. Don’t “misunderestimate” the power of Bush.

  73. 73.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    @Nate Dawg: Ew.

    @efgoldman: Ew again.

  74. 74.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 28, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    @GregB: Stone is a Nixon loyalist to this day. Didn’t see anything wrong with obstructing justice in the name of retaining power.

    Utter scum.

  75. 75.

    gene108

    October 28, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    Voter turn out is important and all, but I am not sure what to do when 75% of my fellow NJ residents are unaware there is an election next Tuesday.

    The entire General Assembly, many county wide offices and local offices will be on the ballot.

  76. 76.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    @Rising Above: Like 9/11, this is an inside job.

  77. 77.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 28, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    @Rising Above: BTW, Sparky, exit polling from the 1992 election showed that Perot pulled votes equally from HW Bush and Clinton.

  78. 78.

    The Pale Scot

    October 28, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    @redshirt:

    ’76 when the Big Boats were cruising NY harbor. Groovy.

    THAT was a great weekend, will always remember the crew of the Danish ship walking down the street together like a horde of bronzed Nordic gods in striped shirts.

  79. 79.

    Jeffro

    October 28, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Tweety debating if the media is liberal with two professional Republicans (and Chuck Todd),

    Oh, so three professional Republicans, then?

    Tweety should ask Hillary sometime if the media’s liberal or just elitist and/or just loves a good horse race…

  80. 80.

    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    @Rising Above:

    He’s in this thing until New Hampshire and probably until Florida.

    This is as close to realism as I’ve seen in many months of trolling. Congrats on finding a glimmer of sanity.

    That “probably” just sounds so sad, though, coming from you.

  81. 81.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 28, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    @Rising Above: Ron fucking Paul got more time tonight than ¡Heb!.

    His crusts are as burnt as Chris Christie’s.

  82. 82.

    Felonius Monk

    October 28, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    @Rising Above:

    Jeb still has the cash to keep going and going and going and going.

    Yes, he does. He’ll just keep going and going until he’s gone. It won’t be long now. He’s already stepped in dog shit and is skidding toward the exit.

  83. 83.

    Redshift

    October 28, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    @Rising Above:

    He’s in this thing until New Hampshire and probably until Florida.

    “Probably”? If even you can’t summon the will to say he’s definitely going all the way, the ref should call the fight. He’s done.

  84. 84.

    beltane

    October 28, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: At the finish line of the NY Marathon I used to see runners in all kinds of messed up shape, unconscious, IVs in their arms, etc. If Jeb were smart he’d run halfway across the Verrazano bridge and call it a day.

  85. 85.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est: Ron?

  86. 86.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    @beltane:

    If Jeb were smart he’d run halfway across the Verrazano bridge and call it a day.

    Or off it.

  87. 87.

    srv

    October 28, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    Just a day after a major, national poll had shown Ben Carson leading Donald Trump in the 2016 GOP presidential race for the first time, a poll published Wednesday showed the billionaire may not have relinquished his front-runner title quite yet.

    Going into Wednesday night’s third Republican primary debate, the latest poll by The Economist and YouGov shows Trump still the leader in the race, at 32 percent compared to 18 percent for Carson.

    So over.

  88. 88.

    cokane

    October 28, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    meh, who cares?

    i mean it’s not like Kasich’s hypocrisy about weed is any worse than Obama’s.

  89. 89.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Oh, I meant Rand. Still, that’s how badly ¡Heb! is doing.

  90. 90.

    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    @Mike J:

    That sounds bitchin’ good. I am definitely stealing….

    Having many laughs reading the comments here tonight. Y’all are a sharp bunch off assholes…

  91. 91.

    Jeffro

    October 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    Ron fucking Paul got more time tonight than ¡Heb!.

    His crusts are as burnt as Chris Christie’s.

    Yup. Time for these debate host networks to tighten up their requirements and just go with the top 5. I mean, it’s entertaining, but I’d really like viewers to get much bigger doses of what Trump, Carson, Rubio, Cruz, and ? really stand for.

    Especially Carson and Cruz, holy cow.

  92. 92.

    Villago Delenda Est

    October 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    @cokane: Let’s talk about Roger Stone’s swinging ads.

  93. 93.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    @cokane: Interesting that you feel you need to bring Obama into the discussion.

  94. 94.

    Amir Khalid

    October 28, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    The Republican reaction to the debate seems to be that the party lost. That’s going to take some of the shine off Rubio having the least-bad performance of the night.

  95. 95.

    Jeffro

    October 28, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    Btw HuffPo headline at the moment: RUBIO TAKES CHARGE

    Sub-headline: Roaring applause as Cruz slams the press

  96. 96.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @efgoldman:

    But I forget: arithmetic has a liberal bias.

    Don’t even get me started on algebra.

    @efgoldman: I’ll turn this car around….

  97. 97.

    gene108

    October 28, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    That pretty much sums up all the ex-Nixonites, from Pat Buchanan to Dick Cheney.

    Anyone associated with Tricky Dick thinks the problem is not his abuse of power, but that he got caught red handed.

    This is one big reason Bush, Jr’s White House made sure no one ever got their e-mails and anything they did say was off the record or worded in such weasely way they had deniability because the exact wording did not say what they tried to get people to believe, i.e. and I loosely recreate a Bush & Co like statement circa 2002 or 2003′, “9/11 was a terrible tragedy, Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda are terrible people and the Taliban is also terrible for hurting so many of their own people. Saddam Hussein also hurt many of his own people by dropping poison gas on them.”

    Literally Bush & Co never said Saddam was responsible for 9/11 but sentences like that sure got people making incorrect associations.

  98. 98.

    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Monty Python’s Marathon for the Incontinent springs to mind.

  99. 99.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    The press wants to push people toward Rubio, for whatever reason, but the base isn’t going to get behind a “Mexicorn-lovin’ Mexicorn” that was for immigration reform.

    They don’t understand that immigration reform is the #1 issue in the base right now.

  100. 100.

    Felonius Monk

    October 28, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    Roger Stone was Trump’s top adviser until Trump “fired” him in early August (according to Trump) or he quit (according to Stone). But Stone has continued to support Trump in every interview of him that I have seen.

  101. 101.

    beltane

    October 28, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    From Matt Drudge’s Twitter feed via The Guardian:

    Jeb Bush can eat carbs now… #GOPDebate

  102. 102.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    @efgoldman: It was never actually said in my family, so I may have gotten it wrong.

  103. 103.

    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:30 pm

    @Nate Dawg:

    this is the quote for tonight IMO — ding, ding, ding, ding!

    “In the gangbang orgy that is the GOP campaign, Jeb’s gonna cum last. If he cums at all”

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @Elie: Ew, once more.

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    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @efgoldman

    Remember “fuzzy math?”

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 28, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @beltane: He’s got at least one good writer, or a writer with at least one good line.

    If Rubio does win it, here’s hoping the Bushies blame him and leak a whole bunch of shit on him

  107. 107.

    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    @Jeffro: I totally agree. Ben Carson was in over his head tonight, if you were paying attention at all. Take several of the poo-flinging hyenas off the stage so that Carson has to spin out 90 second answers, or handle follow-ups, and it’ll be clear that he’s a novelty who’s flavor is passé.

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    burnspbesq

    October 28, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    Speeking of people losing their shit, the current pie-fight over Douthat’s recent anti-Francis derp-fest is amusing me to no end. Here’s the latest lemon-meringue salvo.

    http://americamagazine.org/content/all-things/theology-and-hate

  109. 109.

    Redshift

    October 28, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, “Hillary is a big liar about Benghazi” is apparently a really popular idea among Republicans, so as far as the GOP nomination is concerned, he may not be wrong. After the Hillary event last Friday, there were a few wingnuts outside with signs saying “Democrats support the biggest liar!” or some such. I thought about telling them that she’s not remotely in the same league with their guys in that department, but I didn’t want to engage them.

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    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    “Ha! I need more!”
    /Tweety

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    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:35 pm

    @Jeffro: I did have a bit of a sense that Rubio did some serious turnout for the debate. Not sure how he might have stacked the audience given the news about tight ticket allotments. Maybe Coloradans just like him, but it seemed slightly odd.

  112. 112.

    Ruckus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @Felonius Monk:
    I think actually he’s fallen face first into the still warm dog shit. And he did it on flat, level ground with absolutely no obstructions. He’s that good.

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 28, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Don’t even get me started on algebra.

    It’s a creation of the Arabs.

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    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    Tweety is fucking these poor labor Republicans right the fuck up. Surprising.

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    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    It is just so — fittin’ in so many many ways…

    This is the saddest group of mthfkuhs — honestly. In my New Yorker email today, there was actually a piece questioning whether the Republicans wanted to commit suicide. I think that one must seriously consider that this is a real possibility. I think it HAD to drive the decision of the House to up the debt limit and settle the budget cause what few sane Republican people remaining in that institution had to conclude that the party would not survive having THAT piano on their back AND the unbelievably horrible candidates that have been drawn to this year’s Republican party candidacy.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I was trying to avoid saying that lest I rile up the nativists.

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    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @RafW

    Only saw a few clips, but Carson evinced a noticeably one-sided sneer at times, as if the other side of his face is partially paralyzed.

    No drooping eye as in Bell’s Palsy, but does give one pause as to his medical status.

    Also, picking “Rubio licks his lips” for a drinking game seems to be a sure bet.

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    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:39 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Man. God bless those Arabs.

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    Mike in NC

    October 28, 2015 at 11:40 pm

    Maybe next time Rubio will get to stand on a milk crate.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:41 pm

    @Elie: Look any references to that group and an orgy bring images to the mind that banish sleep.

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    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Lordy yes! He is a little dude.

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    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    @Mike in NC: He’s like 5’6″ in real life, amirite?

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    Ruckus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    @efgoldman:
    I don’t give a shit about a lot of things, haven’t quite got to this one yet. But I’m thinking that the tipping point is very, very close.

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    @NotMax: I think Carson has a lazy eye. The wife had Bell’s Palsy once, scary as shit.

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    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    Tweety’s take: The Republican party wants their own Barack Obama. . . . . and apparently it’s Rubio!

    “The exchange with Bush is going to be one of the defining moments of the campaign.”

    Uh-huh. Just like the “yes we can” speech! That defining!

  126. 126.

    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Double EWWWWW! Aint that the truth!

    Time to re order some Brain Bleach!

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    SFAW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    @Rising Above:

    So, basically, the way to Bush victory is cheating? Or buying the refs?

    Quelle fucking surprise.

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    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    @efgoldman

    Also on the list:

    “Because I said so!”

    “Were you born in a barn?”

    ” ‘Hey’ is for horses.”

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    @efgoldman: Sure, you have that privilege. Some of the rest of us plan to be around for another 400 years or so.*

    *I was promised hover cars and I am staying around until I get hover cars, dammit.

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    Betty Cracker

    October 28, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    Chuck Todd, Tweety and A. Parker of the NYT are man-crushing on Rubio something FIERCE.

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    Jeffro

    October 28, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    @Nate Dawg:

    The press wants to push people toward Rubio, for whatever reason, but the base isn’t going to get behind a “Mexicorn-lovin’ Mexicorn” that was for immigration reform.

    They don’t understand that immigration reform is the #1 issue in the base right now.

    It’s not (necessarily) the press pushing towards Rubio…it’s that he’s the only viable non-crazy GOP pick left. The base will get behind him just fine: he’s American-born, he’s dropped his own immigration reform plan (…”based upon the sensible input of people from around our party and around our great nation”…), and he just about covers every faction within the GOP.

    He’s clearly growing as a candidate, relatively speaking that is. He just put the last knife in Jeb?’s back and co-opted Cruz’s anti-media message wholesale.

    Just watch: there will still be the kids’ table weirdos out there grifting (at least until Rand Paul drops out and Santorum’s/Jindal’s funders switch over to Cruz or Rubio). Bush will be gone by Thanksgiving; I think Trump has high potential to drop out once that happens (citing of course that he MADE the GOP add his anti-immigrant rantings to the party platform).

    But Rubio’s the guy and once the Establishment coalesces around him, a lot of the rest and a lot of the other candidates (Huck, Kaisch, Fiorina, maybe Christie) will fall into line. The “potential VP” line, that is.

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    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    @Betty Cracker: FIERCE!

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    mclaren

    October 28, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    News flash:

    Zookeepers announced today that efforts to get the Bush presidency to reproduce in captivity had failed. Despite dressing up in Oval Office regalia, the zookeepers could not entice Jeb to leave his grotto. A spokesman for the zoo said that the Bush political dynasty must now be considered an endangered species, and may become extinct.

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    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Naw — its just what happens when he wants to kill something and can’t. The iris drifts laterally a little and the eyelid droops just a smidge as a “tell”. If we hooked him up to an EEG he might be having some weird activity in the region that controls or illicits aggression… Its a feature….

  135. 135.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Chuck Todd actually misspoke and called Marco Rubio “Barack Obama”. He caught himself and laughed, but seriously . . . all we need is Tweety getting a chill up his leg and it’s done!

  136. 136.

    RaflW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    @NotMax: I’ve been wondering if Carson has very early stage dementia. He gave up surgery, he’s got this weird flat affect, he seems to struggle to recall bits of stump speech he’s memorized.

    My dad had it, turned a very smart and engaged retired CEO into a kindly but befuddled man in 3 years. Thankfully he was in his late 70s when things got kinda bad.

    I could be flat out wrong, and I’m not trying to be mean or snarky, it just occurred to me that Carson might be slipping in the mental acuity realm and unable to step back and ask himself if this campaign thing is a good idea in that case.

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    divF

    October 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    @Mike J:
    Must run in the family. When GHWB was running for President in 1980, people noticed how poorly synchronized his speech was with his gestures. There was speculation that poor George had ended up in a in a shallow grave at Langley when he was CIA director, and had been replaced with a poorly designed android.

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    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    @mclaren:

    I gotta give you that this comment is pretty funny…

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    SFAW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    @Mike in NC:

    Maybe Jon Lovitz can stand in for him at the next debate.

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    Betty Cracker

    October 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    @mclaren: Haha, well done!

  141. 141.

    amk

    October 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    Josh Barro Verified account ‏@jbarro 6h6 hours ago

    Jeb Bush announces endorsement from ex-AZ Governor Fife Symington, who was pardoned by Bill Clinton in 2001 and claims he once saw a UFO.
    61 retweets 70 favorites

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 28, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    Rosie Gray ‏@ RosieGray 41m41 minutes ago
    Asked Kasich about this: [at top] … he said “Look, it’s Roger Stone. He’s nuts.”

  143. 143.

    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    @Betty Cracker: It seems like the Bush Crime Family somehow made sure that Rubio got all the good press and headlines from this debacle,…errr debate.
    IMO, they want Rubio standing in front of the line. Trump is softening his attacks and Carson is just flat fucking nuts. So Bush needs to keep Rubio out front as the next target.
    Rubio can’t balance a checkbook, per CNBC, and is a monetary moron.

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    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    I missed the main debate… what happened to Trump tonight? Not much snark from youze guys on “possum head”…

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    @Betty Cracker: Guaranteed to happen after he was the least bad of the parade of horrors (Kasich is an old fashioned conservative asshole, so he is something else). I’ll admit that I split time between the debate, the Dark Shadows movie, and an important phone call; I may have missed something. But that was my impression.

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    trollhattan

    October 28, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    @Elie:
    Let’s find him a tank for him to poke his head (haid!) out of.

  147. 147.

    amk

    October 28, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    The Daily Edge ‏@TheDailyEdge 8h8 hours ago

    Overinflated #blimp described as “huge waste of money” sags feebly to ground in what experts call a perfect metaphor for @JebBush campaign
    73 retweets 86 favorites

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    SFAW

    October 28, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    @mclaren:

    the zookeepers could not entice Jeb to leave his grotto.

    Said Joe Wilson, head zookeeper: “He just sits in the corner, licking his … “

  149. 149.

    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    @Mike in NC

    Made me remember the line of one wag (New Yorker?) put out after the 3-way mayoral debate in NYC during the 1969 election.

    John Lindsay stood on his record, John Marchi stood on the issues, Mario Procaccino stood on a phone book.

  150. 150.

    Nate Dawg

    October 28, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    @Jeffro: It’s far too late for that kind of good, deep analysis. So thanks. Watching the very first debate, my husband and I said that Marco Rubio was the biggest threat to Hillary. He’s young, fresh-faced, a complete shill for his betters (he literally has climbed the ladder shilling for them), and he *seems* well-spoken to some people.

    I’m not actually convinced the base will get behind him, given the immigration stance. (See, e.g., Perry, Rick (R-Texas)). I just don’t see Trump dropping out while he is ahead. This is the fantasy that the pundits have been trying to sell, but the frontrunner doesn’t EVER drop out. Just doesn’t happen like that. Why would he? If Trump can win, he will win.

    I do think Rubio may get the establishment vote this year, but I think perhaps that the crazies may actually put up a fight. See, they want their own Obama–someone to upset the establishment candidate, and since Jeb just took a boatload of money, flushed it down the drain, I don’t think any of the other candidates are going to be able to raise enough to mount a serious challenge to the crazy base’s favorite candidate who gets FREE votes for saying crazy shit.

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    ms_canadada

    October 28, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    @Betty Cracker: There’s something happening here…what it is ain’t exactly clear…

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    Corner Stone

    October 28, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    CNBC moderators…too liberal.

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    ms_canadada

    October 28, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    @Ruckus: Never tipped points, but have tipped cows…Just sayin’.

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:53 pm

    @divF: WASPs generally are not hand talkers. It is learned behavior. Confession: I had had to be taught gestures in acting classes – they aren’t natural to me.

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    Jeffro

    October 28, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    @Jeffro: My bad…was editing and for some reason it switched me to ‘undefined’?

    Think I’ll let Bush’s campaign manager complain for me, about how badly I was treated…

  156. 156.

    Kay

    October 28, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    It’s such a disappointing attack. I thought it would be something genuinely scandalous.

  157. 157.

    Elie

    October 28, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    @SFAW:

    LOL! Now just stop, y’all — Too funny..

  158. 158.

    Mike J

    October 28, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    @efgoldman: Is this a test to see if I’m a replicant or a lesbian?

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    Omnes Omnibus

    October 28, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    @efgoldman: I still want my hover cars.

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    NotMax

    October 28, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    One must needs surmise that the advice of the family conclave to the Jebmeister boiled down to “Just stand there, keep your trap shut, and smile.”

  161. 161.

    Jeffro

    October 28, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    @Nate Dawg:

    I just don’t see Trump dropping out while he is ahead. This is the fantasy that the pundits have been trying to sell, but the frontrunner doesn’t EVER drop out. Just doesn’t happen like that. Why would he? If Trump can win, he will win.

    Agreed, but Trump’s already showing some cracks…behind Carson in Iowa…no reason to think he won’t continue to slowly drop as (well, if) some of the top 11 drop out and coalesce behind an Establishment candidate. He won’t drop out while he’s the front-runner, you’re right. But if and once he’s not? He’ll quit before he can be branded a yuuugge loser with official primary and caucus results. (Or many of them, anyway)

  162. 162.

    divF

    October 29, 2015 at 12:01 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Whereas Italians (such as myself) can’t talk without moving their hands.

  163. 163.

    Nate Dawg

    October 29, 2015 at 12:01 am

    @Jeffro: I don’t buy it. New poll out has him WAY up. 32 vs. 18 for Carson, in a national poll. I think that anytime a poll has dipped, pundits immediately clamor to proclaim his demise, but until it’s sustained a bit more, I wouldn’t count him out.

    I must admit, I also think I’m biased because it’s always Carson ousting him. They both are crazy choices, and somewhat interchangeable among hardcore wingers, so I think it could possibly switch between the two.

    Hopefully the caucuses in Iowa erupt in fisticuffs when people actually have to decide which batshit they are going to vote for.

  164. 164.

    ms_canadada

    October 29, 2015 at 12:01 am

    @Mike J: Either/Or. It’s all good.

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    Elie

    October 29, 2015 at 12:01 am

    @efgoldman:

    I definitely hear you and THAT. Was hoping that others could risk a few braincells to recount …

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    Felonius Monk

    October 29, 2015 at 12:02 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I still want my hover cars.

    I still want that electricity that going to be too cheap to meter. Fuck the hover cars.

  167. 167.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 29, 2015 at 12:02 am

    @divF: The world is an interesting place.

  168. 168.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 29, 2015 at 12:03 am

    @Nate Dawg: Only problem with Marco is he has a past and isn’t very bright.

  169. 169.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 29, 2015 at 12:04 am

    @Felonius Monk: Well, since your wish is probably a necessity for hover cars, I don’t see how we are in disagreement.

  170. 170.

    Nate Dawg

    October 29, 2015 at 12:05 am

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/we-have-our-final-six_1055055.html

    The three winners of the night were pretty obvious: Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump.

    Rubio ended Jeb Bush’s campaign with the kind of body shot that buckles your knees. That’s on Bush, who never should have come after Rubio in that spot for a host of strategic and tactical reasons. But what should scare Hillary Clinton is how effortless Rubio is even with throwaway lines, like “I’m against anything that’s bad for my mother.” Most people have no idea how fearsome raw political talent can be. Clinton does know because she’s seen it up close. She sleeps next to it for a contractually-obligated 18 nights per year.

    Cruz was tough and canny—no surprise there. He went the full-Gingrich in his assault on CNBC’s ridiculous moderators. He did a better job explaining Social Security reform than Chris Christie, even (which is no mean feat). And managed to look downright personable compared with John Harwood, whose incompetence was matched only by his unpleasantness. If you’re a conservative voter looking for someone who is going to fight for your values, Cruz must have looked awfully attractive.

    Then there was Trump. Over the last few weeks, Trump has gotten better on the stump. Well, don’t look now, but he’s getting better at debates, too. Trump was reasonably disciplined. He kept his agro to a medium-high level. And his situational awareness is getting keener, too. Note how he backed John Kasich into such a bad corner on Lehmann Brothers that he protested, “I was a banker, and I was proud of it!” When that’s your answer, you’ve lost the exchange. Even at a Republican debate.

  171. 171.

    Nate Dawg

    October 29, 2015 at 12:07 am

    This is really bad for Jeb*. Pundits are calling him over in a way that is hard to come back from.

    *John Bush

  172. 172.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 29, 2015 at 12:08 am

    @Nate Dawg: I ain’t clicking on a Weekly Standard link, but the excerpt you posted is pure drivel.

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    mclaren

    October 29, 2015 at 12:09 am

    @Mike J:

    Is this a test to see if I’m a replicant or a lesbian?

    “The GOP candidate lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over. But it can’t. Not without your help. But you’re not helping. You’re not helping, Mike! Why is that?”

  174. 174.

    Peale

    October 29, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: the problem is that people don’t know Rubio, so,all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is, and wallah…he’s the most intelligent candidate we have.

  175. 175.

    Peale

    October 29, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: the problem is that people don’t know Rubio, so,all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is, and wallah…he’s the most intelligent candidate we have.

  176. 176.

    Peale

    October 29, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: the problem is that people don’t know Rubio, so,all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is, and wallah…he’s the most intelligent candidate we have.

  177. 177.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 29, 2015 at 12:11 am

    @Peale: “We?”

    ETA: And “wallah?”

  178. 178.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 29, 2015 at 12:13 am

    @mclaren: I’ve been told that John Bush is a ‘happy turtle’, I guess not so much.

  179. 179.

    benw

    October 29, 2015 at 12:14 am

    @mclaren: *folds small Origami bird and sets it on mclaren’s dresser*

  180. 180.

    gelfling545

    October 29, 2015 at 12:14 am

    @Renie: Well, they probably should be ashamed but, in fairness, there was probably no way to keep all those Republicans off the stage.

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    chopper

    October 29, 2015 at 12:14 am

    @Rising Above:

    It’s not over until the it’s over.

    there’s that loser talk again.

  182. 182.

    Steeplejack

    October 29, 2015 at 12:16 am

    @efgoldman:

    “If I have to come back there I’ll give you something to cry about!”

  183. 183.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 29, 2015 at 12:16 am

    @chopper: No one wins when they use Lenny Kravitz lyrics unironically.

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    Kay

    October 29, 2015 at 12:18 am

    @Nate Dawg:

    He did a better job explaining Social Security reform than Chris Christie, even (which is no mean feat).

    Ugh. It has a name now. It’s not privatizing Social Security. It’s reforming Social Security.

  185. 185.

    Peale

    October 29, 2015 at 12:18 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I like tea salesmen and get confused with the viola. Like what is magical about a viola? The most redundant instrument in the orchestra. But good chai is amazing.

  186. 186.

    Nate Dawg

    October 29, 2015 at 12:19 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I think it can be instructive where things are headed.

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    Felonius Monk

    October 29, 2015 at 12:19 am

    @efgoldman: Yeah, just pay the additional small shipping & handling for an extra set.

  188. 188.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 29, 2015 at 12:22 am

    @Peale: You have chosen the most offensive method of attack on me. I played viola. I deplore your tactics and suggest that an unspecified number of your ancestors smelt of elderberries.

  189. 189.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 29, 2015 at 12:22 am

    @Kay: they’ve been saying that for years, and I believe it’s one Lutz-ism that can’t be sold.
    ETA: I did click on the Standard link to see if I recognized the by-line, I didn’t, but the guy was bashing on Kasich, and the sense I’m getting from the tweets and brief quotes from R’s is that he has very little support aside from Tweety and Twitter Nixon

  190. 190.

    benw

    October 29, 2015 at 12:24 am

    @Kay: *the terms “pro-life” and “charter schools” look up and wave happily at Kay*

  191. 191.

    DemJayhawks

    October 29, 2015 at 12:24 am

    @mclaren: Slow down there, tiger. This line of questioning bodes ill for you.

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    divF

    October 29, 2015 at 12:28 am

    @Nate Dawg:
    I won’t click on the link, because (1) Weekly Standard, and (2) the quote has that smug, always-wrong-but-never-in-doubt tone of Bill Kristol, in which case, what is the point.

  193. 193.

    patrick II

    October 29, 2015 at 12:29 am

    @Peale:

    all it takes is a week of repetition about how gifted and intelligent he is

    Is this your clever way of repeating how gifted and intelligent Rubio is?

  194. 194.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 29, 2015 at 12:32 am

    and speaking of Twitter Nixon, because I did:

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 10m10 minutes ago
    You get smarter pissing against a wall then you do reading “National Review.”

  195. 195.

    Omnes Omnibus

    October 29, 2015 at 12:34 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: It is rather interesting that Twitter Nixon is really good at breaking down the GOP happenings, but is much less adept at the same thing on the Dem. side.

  196. 196.

    redshirt

    October 29, 2015 at 12:43 am

    mclaren iz learning….

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    October 29, 2015 at 12:50 am

    @efgoldman: I thought the line was ‘saving Social Security for future generations’.

  198. 198.

    Adam L Silverman

    October 29, 2015 at 12:52 am

    @Felonius Monk: This is exactly it. A lot of the coverage going into today was on Governor Kasich. For both bashing Trump and Carson – calling them out as crazy, etc. Charles Pierce at Esquire estimated early on Wednesday that if Kasich had a decent showing tonight he’d be declared the winner of the Morning Joe primary on Thursday morning. Given Stone’s known predilection for ratfucking, this was basically a brush back pitch.

  199. 199.

    Redshift

    October 29, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @efgoldman: Probably, but SolarCity actually does lease arrangements where you pay nothing, and they collect the payments from the power company. I doubt they do robocalls; I’d imagine any company that does is looking to make more up front than they do. But aside from that, such deals do legitimately exist.

  200. 200.

    TS

    October 29, 2015 at 12:55 am

    @Nate Dawg:

    Tweety’s take: The Republican party wants their own Barack Obama. . . . . and apparently it’s Rubio!

    That ANYONE can mention Rubio in the same sentence as Barack Obama – this is the US media – full on stupid.

  201. 201.

    Nate Dawg

    October 29, 2015 at 1:00 am

    Night yall. Thanks for the laughs.

  202. 202.

    Felonius Monk

    October 29, 2015 at 1:04 am

    I wonder if they take the debaters back to the asylum individually or as a group when the debate is over. Do they ever televise this. Does anybody know?

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    Redshift

    October 29, 2015 at 1:05 am

    @efgoldman: Yeah, ever since Luntz told them privatization polled badly, they’ve been calling it stuff like “entitlement reform” and when Dems (accurately) accused them of wanting to privatize it, they would try to insist that it was a lie.

    I don’t know if it ever really meant anything else, but “reform” is so vague in politics that it just means “change, but we promise it’ll be a good change, really!”

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    October 29, 2015 at 1:06 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I hope he’s right about flavor of the moment Rubio

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 3h3 hours ago
    Rubio is exactly the guy you don’t want against Clinton. Whatever her faults she will make him look like an ant.

    Rubio is teacher’s pet who’s read the book and memorized the pages but doesn’t understand a word.

    I think he’s got that last one nailed, as Rubio proved with his tantrumy rant about Obama being soft on ISIS to suck up to Iran. Professor Kristol gave him an A for that presentation.

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    Steeplejack

    October 29, 2015 at 1:18 am

    I’ve been catching up on the threads since getting home from watching the debate at my brother’s house. An excruciating ordeal eased only by good pizza, good wine and amiable company. Although I had to stifle my rage a bit because the baby was sleeping upstairs.

    I guess where I am now is the situation that a Juicer laid out this morning. Can’t remember who it was, or if he/she was quoting someone else, but it’s basically this conundrum: (1) Looked at as a group, one of these candidates will inevitably win the Republican nomination for president. Duh. (2) But, looking at them individually, each of them has at least one compelling reason (or more!) why he (or she) should never be allowed within a mile of the presidency. They are nuts. Saying (for example) that Cruz is better than Trump is only saying that Cruz should be kept a mile away from the presidency but Trump should be kept two miles away. It boggles the mind.

    Watching the tweet crawl at the bottom of the screen was occasionally funny. As someone quoted in an earlier thread, “This isn’t a debate, it’s a poetry slam—without the poetry.” There was also a good one about the candidates complaining about not getting enough time to talk, yet they were all in favor of cutting the debate time from three hours to two.

    Personal note: I got into it a bit with my brother about Social Security “reform”—specifically, raising the age of eligibility—and the old thing about how the government caused the financial crash by forcing all those hapless lenders to issue mortgage loans to unqualified buyers. I went off on him pretty strongly on both those things, and we retired to neutral corners.

    My brother is a fairly reliable Democrat, but I suspect that if he weren’t gay he might be one of Tommy’s “reasonable” Republicans—socially liberal and fiscally conservative. As a (fairly savvy) investor, he gets too much of his news filtered through the financial media (my opinion, of course). So his argument about Social Security was that when it started life expectancy was such that people received benefits for only five or ten years, but now people receive benefits for 20-30 years! So of course the only (fiscally prudent) solution that occurs to him is to stretch out existing benefits, reduce the time that people are eligible, etc. Ugh. Finally I sort of shut him by saying that we’re supposed to be the richest country on earth, but somehow we can’t afford anything remotely approaching the benefits of the socialist European hellholes without bankrupting ourselves?! I think he sort of glimpses the reality but hasn’t quite gotten to the point of looking at it directly.

    The other thing that I picked up is that he is somewhat susceptible to GOP propaganda that leads to him kicking down rather than punching up. He sort of buys into “SSD and welfare fraud,” etc., and wants government to “tighten up on the waste.” On the other hand, he clearly sees the way that the 0.01 percent is financially raping the country, but he doesn’t allow himself to get worked up about that, because he feels powerless to do anything about it. He (direct quote) “doesn’t have a phalanx of lawyers to lobby Congress and work the loopholes in the law.”

    Anyway, I keep working on him, and he seems to end up voting the right way, so there’s that.

    ETA: My brother thinks Kasich could be vote-worthy, so I’ve got to compile my oppo research on him.

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    NotMax

    October 29, 2015 at 1:23 am

    @Steeplejack

    Was hoping to catch up with you. Learned another trick if your microwave rice is problematic, which is to add a smidgen of acid (vinegar or lemon juice or sour salt similar) to the cooking water to aid the grains in not clumping.

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    Steeplejack

    October 29, 2015 at 1:24 am

    @Felonius Monk:

    Short bus.

  208. 208.

    amk

    October 29, 2015 at 1:25 am

    jebbie, the boy

  209. 209.

    Steeplejack

    October 29, 2015 at 1:28 am

    @NotMax:

    Cool. I saved your previous comment, and I’ll add a note in my (voluminous) Balloon Juice “keeper” doc.

  210. 210.

    Anne Laurie

    October 29, 2015 at 1:29 am

    @efgoldman:

    I got a robocall at dinner time offering me FREE! solar panels.
    I hung up, but I’d bet my 401k that the next sentence was gonna’ be “for just a SMALL installation charge.”

    Here in Massachusetts, some people seem to be getting almost that good a deal. There’s a state rebate, and for “showcase” houses, some local companies are offering finance deals where they cover the installation & then collect the buy-back-excess-power fees from the energy companies. At least one acquaintance got her home hooked up “free” & says they’re still paying less every month now.

  211. 211.

    redshirt

    October 29, 2015 at 1:29 am

    I still say Trump is the least worst/best of them because he doesn’t believe what he’s saying. He’s an actor. And a businessman, which is often the same thing.

  212. 212.

    ruemara

    October 29, 2015 at 1:30 am

    I thought I should continue my track record of taking bold steps and joined a dating service thing. Nearly 30 minutes later, I can safely say I have no idea what any of these people are about, nor am I interested. Since yesterday’s bold step in the gym has resulted in a near immobilizing arm injury that may have me out of the gym for a bit, I do wonder what sort of lunatic tonight’s bold step will untether from it’s moors. And someone has already asked me out, despite lack of picture or details. Yeesh. *delete account*

  213. 213.

    NotMax

    October 29, 2015 at 1:36 am

    @Steeplejack

    Perhaps he might find enlightening the recent report from Credit Suisse (summary) that the top 1% has crossed a threshold, now owning over 50% of the entire world’s wealth.

    Full report (.pdf).

  214. 214.

    Ruckus

    October 29, 2015 at 1:37 am

    Today at break time some one was discussing the girl in school who got beat up by the cop. One of the fellas was saying that you just obey what the cop says. Always. I asked him if saying no to a cop deserves getting the shit beat out of you. Yes was the answer. There was no concept of why there are cops in school in the first place and that it was OK because he asked her to leave before he attacked her. He’s not an old fart, he’s half the age of one. I fear for our society. There are enough young people who have bought the entire conservative line of shit that I think none of this will get better in a very long time if ever.

  215. 215.

    Steeplejack

    October 29, 2015 at 1:38 am

    My other take-aways from the debate tonight were (1) that neither Christie nor Huckabee seems to have benefitted from bariatric surgery and (2) that Christie’s tactic of turning to look directly into the camera to address “the American people” was sort of creepy and off-putting. It somehow got into that “uncanny valley” zone of almost but not quite real.

  216. 216.

    Goblue72

    October 29, 2015 at 1:42 am

    @Steeplejack: The average age back then was lower due to the much larger percentage of the population that died as children – polio, scarlet fever, measles, influenza, etc.

    For people who survived childhood into adulthood, the general life expectancy in the 1930s wasn’t much shorter than today. So for those who managed to live long enough to collect Social Security, once they did, they did so for not much less length of time on average than today.

    Your brother has been fooled by GOP and Wall Street using simple averages to create a lie about Social Security.

  217. 217.

    srv

    October 29, 2015 at 1:42 am

    Nate Silver says Jeb is toast

    But whether it’s Cruz or Trump or Carson ahead, the Republican establishment can’t wait that much longer to get its act together. And the most expedient way to do that may be to kick Bush to the curb.

    Next up for Trumpzilla, Hillary Clinton.

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    redshirt

    October 29, 2015 at 1:43 am

    @efgoldman: Was it via a zine? Or a flyer?

  219. 219.

    ruemara

    October 29, 2015 at 2:07 am

    @efgoldman: I just don’t think I’m built for these shenanigans.

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    redshirt

    October 29, 2015 at 2:17 am

    @ruemara: How about speed dating?

  221. 221.

    xian

    October 29, 2015 at 9:06 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: wow that guy sounds like UNLIMITED CORORATE CASH guy from last time.

    and Kasich is or was a Deadhead. They threw him off their stage once in DC when he tried to glom his way on.

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    xian

    October 29, 2015 at 11:41 am

    @chopper: “the only poll that counts is the one on election day,” said every losing campaign manager ever

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    sherparick

    October 29, 2015 at 12:32 pm

    @Baud: I expect so. From what I read of Roger, he is essentially a sociopath who stops just short of killing people actually, enjoying the same thrill by destroying political careers. He probably held this little story on Kasich over the years to use it at the right moment.

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