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You are here: Home / Politics / Politicans / JEB! = John Ellis Not-Bush 2016 / Friday Night Fights Open Thread: Aging White Men, Talking Smack

Friday Night Fights Open Thread: Aging White Men, Talking Smack

by Anne Laurie|  November 6, 20159:51 pm| 66 Comments

This post is in: JEB! = John Ellis Not-Bush 2016, Republicans in Disarray!, War, Assholes, Blatant Liars and the Lies They Tell, Fucked-up-edness, Republican Crime Syndicate - aka the Bush Admin.

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darth cheney silences poppy bush

(Nick Anderson via GoComics.com)
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Wow –> This Rumsfeld stmt to NBC on Bush 41: “Bush 41 is getting up in years and misjudges Bush 43, who I found made his own decisions"

— Mark Murray (@mmurraypolitics) November 5, 2015

@mmurraypolitics and Don Rumsfeld is 83; just a Spring Chicken and Hawk!

— Fred B. (@ebayjick) November 5, 2015

A Democrat once said “Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.” Repubs prefer to think of defeat as a bastard child, and the Bush Crime Cartel is busily Jerry-Springer-ing its paternity.

Mr. Pierce explains:

It seems that Poppy Bush sat down with Parson Meacham to hash out Poppy’s life. And who could be a better wingman for the job than the Parson, who’s made a lucrative business out of the Great Man Theory of American history? In the course of their discussions—which, alas, have led to a book-like object—the elder Bush has some harsh words for a certain former secretary of defense of his casual acquaintance.​​

“I think he served the president badly,” Bush told Meacham, Peter Baker of the New York Times reported, quoting the book. He added: “I’ve never been that close to him anyway. … There’s a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks. He’s more kick ass and take names, take numbers. I think he paid a price for that.” (Rumsfeld resigned as secretary of defense in 2006 after conditions in Iraq deteriorated. He declined comment about the biography to Fox News…

.@mmurraypolitics Didn't Jeb just say the other day he'd kill for his father? Better watch out Rumsie!

— H— (@OHenryHernandez) November 5, 2015

George HW Bush v Rumsfeld animosity stretches back decades. Bush thought Rumsfeld had him appointed CIA Dir to sideline him politically

— Stephen Hayes (@stephenfhayes) November 5, 2015

But then again…

… Poppy ripped Donald Rumsfeld unconditionally, and he said some tough things about Cheney, too, but he also made sure to point out that C-Plus Augustus ran his own shop. Jeb (!) made the same point about who was in charge, and went out of his way to say nice things about Cheney besides…

Why, a political cynic might almost suspect that Darth Cheney had squirreled away some “oppo research” in that man-sized safe he had removed from the Naval Observatory on his way out the door in 2009! Yet however could a man who’d gotten his start in national politics as a CREEPster in Richard Nixon’s administration ever stoop to such low, ungentlemanly tactics?

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Supplemental alternate-history weirdness:

Wow. What could have been https://t.co/VfUXfvkk5k pic.twitter.com/Ez3ujbaJ0Y

— Sam Stein (@samsteinhp) November 5, 2015

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  1. 1.

    Elizabelle

    November 6, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    Sick of Republican threads. I really am.

  2. 2.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 6, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    @Elizabelle: Only a year to go.

  3. 3.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    So I see a Cole tweet that he’s not wearing any clothes. Maybe this would account for his illness.

  4. 4.

    benw

    November 6, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    @Elizabelle: I’m feeling the same way, myself. Especially after the big pile of Bernie awesome in the MSNBC forum tonight. Basically if the categories start with “in Assholes…” I start to check out.

  5. 5.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    November 6, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Site is completely borked for me on the iPad, so I’m going to watch “And Then There Were None” on TCM instead. Who knew Walter Huston and Barry Fitzgerald were in a movie directed by Rene Clair?

  6. 6.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    You’re a hell of an optimist! I assume they will be around for years yet & acting as badly as always so we have a never-ending string of Republicans threads. Laugh, shake our heads, cry, scream in anger, all in their turn but not ending any time soon sadly.

  7. 7.

    hilts

    November 6, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    Speaking of aging white men talking smack, this clip shows Bill O’Reilly losing his shit while interviewing George Will because Will had trashed his Killing Reagan book.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/youre-a-hack-oreilly-explodes-at-george-will-for-attacking-his-no-facts-zone-book

  8. 8.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 6, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    @Schlemazel: While it’s true that they will be around post Novermber 2016, the volume of coverage will lessen to a great degree.

  9. 9.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    While I’d like to believe that it does not seem to have slacked off after 2008 or 12. They are a bottomless well of bullshit.

  10. 10.

    RSA

    November 6, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    So I see a Cole tweet that he’s not wearing any clothes. Maybe this would account for his illness.

    Like the paleo diet, the paleo wardrobe has its limitations with respect to healthy living.

  11. 11.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 6, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    @Schlemazel: They are a bottomless well of bullshit.
    Probably too cheep to pay for city water and sewer, and are still using the well next to the septic tank.

  12. 12.

    Corner Stone

    November 6, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    God but I just can’t watch Murph break down Rockets game film. And I love watching game tape.

  13. 13.

    Amir Khalid

    November 6, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    Darth Vader served an Emperor. Whom does Darth Cheney serve?

  14. 14.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 6, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone):

    Followed by another Clair classic, the late-period masterpiece It! The Terror from Beyond Space.

  15. 15.

    Schlemazel

    November 6, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Mammon

  16. 16.

    SiubhanDuinne

    November 6, 2015 at 10:32 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    This is new and different how?

  17. 17.

    Roger Moore

    November 6, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Darth Vader served an Emperor. Whom does Darth Cheney serve?

    Yoda: Always two there are, no more, no less. A master and an apprentice.
    Mace Windu: But which was destroyed, the master or the apprentice?

    I’m figuring that Darth Cheney was the master and Darth Deciderer was the apprentice.

  18. 18.

    MattF

    November 6, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    @hilts: Will is a Protector of the Legacy, and does not take his responsibilities lightly.

  19. 19.

    Frankensteinbeck

    November 6, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    @hilts:
    I remain proud of kicking O’Reilly off of the #1 children’s ebook spot. I may not have held it for long, but he never got it back.

  20. 20.

    Helen

    November 6, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Good God.

  21. 21.

    benw

    November 6, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    @Roger Moore: man, I wish the mendacity of the current Republican party was as simple and straightforward as the Sith Lords.

  22. 22.

    MattF

    November 6, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    @Elizabelle: I think of it as a touring circus– tent show plus sideshow– where the acrobats (and the audience) don’t believe in gravity. What you get is “Adventures in cognitive dissonance.”

    And ignoring it all is a great temptation, but would be a mistake. These people could easily end up running the Federal Government.

  23. 23.

    Helen

    November 6, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @Corner Stone:

    But. My mom. The BIGGEST Feminist in the history of feminists. Dad. Dunno. Biden called him. Planes. Lots of planes. Air Force.

    Don’t need no money. Cuz my family has more than they can spend in 3 lifetimes. Hi BJ. Hi John Cole. Give me money.

    The end.

  24. 24.

    Aleta

    November 6, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): If you have Netflix, Desk Set is there now. Written by the Ephron parents of Nora and Delia. (Just the movie, not the orig play.) I looked up the director, Walter Lang, and he started out in silents, eventually did The King and I, and maybe ended up with Snow White and the Three Stooges. (Also Cheaper by the Dozen and State Fair.)

  25. 25.

    Aleta

    November 6, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Is there a magical way to edit ?

  26. 26.

    Kropadope

    November 6, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    Test.

    ETA: @Aleta: Could you mean, perhaps, the edit button?

  27. 27.

    John Revolta

    November 6, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    What the fuck is this, the Mean Girls Club? Christ.

  28. 28.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 6, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @efgoldman: Free ice cream at Cole’s, but a warning. He’s not wearing any clothes.

  29. 29.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 6, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I’m fine where I am.

  30. 30.

    Aleta

    November 6, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @Kropadope:
    Right, but I don’t have one in the comment box area. It disappeared awhile ago, before the Change. Is there an edit button such as of which you speak, located somewhere else?

  31. 31.

    SRW1

    November 6, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    Jebbie urged Poppy in 1992 to drop Quayle as VP in favor of Rumsie?

    Isn’t that revelation jeopardizing one of Jebbie’s most precious endorsement in the 2016 primary?

  32. 32.

    Aleta

    November 6, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    @Amir Khalid:
    Captain Ahab

  33. 33.

    FlyingToaster

    November 6, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    I saw several ¿Jeb? ads this evening when flipping through tv. I understand the placement on Blue Bloods, 20/20 and Dateline — old people watch those. But not Grimm. Not Hawaii 5-0 (reboot).

    Also, Mr. Not-Bush, your ads are not going to attract anyone. They’re boring. Nobody in New Hamster gives a fuck about what you did in Florida. They want to know how they can stop being a contributor state and start getting money out of the Feds like Alabama does.

    And I swear to dog, the cheapest ad buy in town will be whatever PAC starts buying evening news time with “JEB wants to interfere in your family — ask about Terry SCHAIVO.” Americans for Privacy Rights paid for this message.

    And has RtR found a new proxy/nym yet?

  34. 34.

    FlyingToaster

    November 6, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    @efgoldman: This is Tommy’s night job, so the answer is almost certainly “yeah, I got tired of the endless bitching, so it’s gone. Sucks to be you.”

  35. 35.

    Aleta

    November 6, 2015 at 11:50 pm

    @efgoldman:
    “html formatting works (obviously)”
    I don’t understand what that means.
    And, why is is “hit or miss whether the comment opens in the edit window” ?

    Thanks for the clues, though. For a time, it did open in an edit window and the clock would count down, but still no edit was possible.

    This was happening for me some weeks before the Great Upgradheaval.

  36. 36.

    Aleta

    November 6, 2015 at 11:57 pm

    @efgoldman:
    Really — someone gave me that book (In the Heart of the Sea, about the whaler Essex).

  37. 37.

    Aleta

    November 7, 2015 at 12:03 am

    @efgoldman:
    Yeah, I remember that. But it stopped showing up for me, and before it disappeared, the countdown went on but editing didn’t work. And before that, it worked like you said. (Mac OS X 10.6.8, Safari). Same thing happens on the ipad.

  38. 38.

    benw

    November 7, 2015 at 12:13 am

    @efgoldman: I pretty much love everything Moby Dick, but In the Heart of the Sea sounds like a straightforward dramatization of the sinking of the Essex, which doesn’t have a lot to do with the themes of Melville’s novel.

  39. 39.

    Gin & Tonic

    November 7, 2015 at 12:14 am

    @benw: It’s the prequel.

  40. 40.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 7, 2015 at 12:19 am

    @benw: The Essex story was Melville’s inspiration for the novel, but you’re right that it really has nothing to do with “Moby Dick.”

  41. 41.

    benw

    November 7, 2015 at 12:32 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Lucas has forever sullied the word prequel!

  42. 42.

    trollhattan

    November 7, 2015 at 12:32 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    You do NOT want to know whense you scoop the ice cream.

  43. 43.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 7, 2015 at 12:49 am

    @efgoldman: I thought it was, “Say good night Gracie”.

  44. 44.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 7, 2015 at 12:50 am

    It hasn’t aired here on the West Coast yet, but they’ve already posted a clip of Lin-Manuel’s Wheel of Freestyle on “The Tonight Show”:

    https://t.co/HhH6EnFsl5

  45. 45.

    Aleta

    November 7, 2015 at 12:56 am

    @benw: There was a kickstarter for a Moby Dick card game. The illustrations on the cards are interesting and the makers were sincerely obsessed. Literature majors you know. I ordered one but never played it.

    After the Essex sank (rammed by a whale), it would have been logical for the men to head for the nearest islands in their lifeboats. But they decided not to, for fear of cannibals. (Mistaken.). Unfortunately they then had to eat each other on the way home.

  46. 46.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 7, 2015 at 1:00 am

    @benw:

    The Los Angeles Opera is currently doing “Moby-Dick”:

    http://www.laopera.org/season/1516-Season-at-a-Glance/Moby-Dick/

  47. 47.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 7, 2015 at 1:01 am

    Why are all of my comments in moderation? I have not exceeded the number of links or used naughty words.

  48. 48.

    Mike in NC

    November 7, 2015 at 1:07 am

    @benw: Maybe true enough, but we loved the book and can’t wait for the movie. Imagine something not based on stupid comic book characters.

  49. 49.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 7, 2015 at 1:08 am

    Anyway — benw, the LA Opera is currently putting on a production of “Moby-Dick.” There’s a link to it in one of my moderated comments.

  50. 50.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 7, 2015 at 1:10 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): It’s all gone rogue. As I understand it, Tommy is not involved in this part of the stuff. So we shouldn’t bitch at him about it.

  51. 51.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 7, 2015 at 1:14 am

    @efgoldman: Comments have been disappearing at random lately. It’s the interim system.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 7, 2015 at 1:16 am

    @efgoldman:

    I thought they were blocking further “Hamilton” discussion. Though only one comment was “Hamilton”-related.

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 7, 2015 at 1:19 am

    With no offense to Tommy (who appears to be technically competent), I think it might have been a bad idea to hire a commenter as a developer. Tommy is screwed.

  54. 54.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 7, 2015 at 1:20 am

    Librarians, prepare to be jealous: not only does G get to hear Jessamyn West speak tonight, he got to talk to her while he checked her into the conference.

  55. 55.

    Aleta

    November 7, 2015 at 1:23 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):
    Commenting has been outsourced to Halliburton so that the blog will pay for itself.

  56. 56.

    Omnes Omnibus

    November 7, 2015 at 1:47 am

    Late night people seem to have disappeared. Oh well, most of us don’t internet properly – maybe we will learn if we are taught the right way to internet.

  57. 57.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 7, 2015 at 1:58 am

    Stewardess, I speak Internet.

  58. 58.

    Pie Happens (opiejeanne)

    November 7, 2015 at 1:58 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m here, for what it’s worth.
    We have a house guest so we’re trying to figure out activities for tomorrow near Seattle, and it’s going to rain. Visit a winery? Buy a new toilet at the hardware store? Visit EMP and/or the art museum?
    Spoiled for choice.

  59. 59.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 7, 2015 at 2:04 am

    @Pie Happens (opiejeanne): I liked the Underground Seattle tour.

  60. 60.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 7, 2015 at 2:08 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Facebook is dead tonight, too. People may actually be interacting with others in meatspace, as strange as that seems.

    Also, my links came out of moderation above. Wheel of Freestyle!

  61. 61.

    Pie Happens (opiejeanne)

    November 7, 2015 at 2:08 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Me too, although these days it’s pretty watered down from what it was in 1980, what with the earthquake causing them to close off some of the cooler areas of the tour. Some of the history seems to have changed a bit, too, but that’s a pretty good idea. If the weather was better we could take her on the “dark” version of the tour, the one after dark that visits some of the shadier stories and shadier parts of town.

  62. 62.

    Pie Happens (opiejeanne)

    November 7, 2015 at 2:09 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): my Facebook has been dead for a couple of days now. It’s strange.

  63. 63.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 7, 2015 at 2:12 am

    @Pie Happens (opiejeanne): I went with my parents in the late 70’s and with my gf in the mid 80’s.

  64. 64.

    Brachiator

    November 7, 2015 at 4:32 am

    @Gin & Tonic: If it’s the prequel, does it feature Jar Jar Binks?

  65. 65.

    sm*t cl*de

    November 7, 2015 at 6:09 am

    We have a house guest so we’re trying to figure out activities for tomorrow near Seattle

    Spend the day at Archie McPhees. Then brewpubs.

  66. 66.

    Keith G

    November 7, 2015 at 7:45 am

    @Elizabelle: There is a lot of importance to what you have said there. We, the hard core of our tribe, know what they, the hard core of their tribe, are all about. We have read about their silliness, ineptitude, and hatefulness quite enough, really.

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