Trump lost it last night in Iowa (via):
But Trump appeared to unravel on stage Thursday evening before a crowd of roughly 1,500 in Fort Dodge, a small industrial town 100 miles northwest of Des Moines. Many in the crowd were community college students who have never voted in a presidential election, along with teachers, local politicians and a number of farmers from the area. Rather than sticking to his usual, tidy 60 minutes, Trump kept going and going. Campaign staffers with microphones had planned to solicit questions from the audience, but instead stood waiting in the aisles, then sat for a while, then stood again at attention. Those standing on risers behind Trump — providing a backdrop of Iowan faces — eventually gave up and sat down in a falling cascade.
[…] Carson wrote in his autobiography that as a young man he had a “pathological temper” that caused him to violently attack others — going after his mother with a hammer and trying to stab a friend, only to have the blade stopped and broken by the friend’s belt buckle. In recent days, those accounts have come under scrutiny, and Carson has had to clarify or correct some of the details.Trump said Carson has a “pathological disease” with no cure, comparing it to the incurable mental conditions of child molesters.
“A child molester, there’s no cure for that,” Trump said. “If you’re a child molester, there’s no cure. They can’t stop you. Pathological? There’s no cure.”
With his voice growing louder and louder, Trump questioned what sort of person would attack his mother. He questioned how a belt buckle could stop a blade, stepping away from the podium to demonstration how such an attack might happen and how his own belt buckle wouldn’t stay in place long enough to stop a knife.
“Anybody have a knife?” Trump asked the audience, which was screened by Secret Service agents who began protecting him this week. “You want to try it on me?”
Trump was flabbergast: “How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?”
I’ll bet a 90 minute tirade is nothing for Trump–he probably spends about that time bitching about a cold breakfast or a flat Coke every other day.
Video at the link.
BGinCHI
Is this the right moment to note that Abe Vigoda is still alive?
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone :)
rikyrah
I told you that Willard was lying in the cuff…..
LOL
Jeff Gauvin @JeffersonObama
Romney privately discussing a late entry is possible http://wapo.st/1N0cVgL pic.twitter.com/5QwCPUWuFM
Amir Khalid
@BGinCHI:
Is there a wrong moment?
Anya
What classifies his behavior as unraveling? Other than the 90 minute this is his usual stump speech.
magurakurin
The silence in the crowd is damning. One lunatic calling out another lunatic…and it seemed like some of the people might have been having epiphanies about the whole thing.
OzarkHillbilly
The Guardian’s tote board is at 992. Chances are we will probably break 1,000 this weekend. 1,000 what you ask? People in America killed by police.
Kinda fills you with pride, doesn’t it? No no, wait a minute, that is disgust.
SFAW
@BGinCHI:
What, no love for Norman Lloyd? (Who turned 101 this past Saturday, by the way.)
Amir Khalid
The premise of The Washington Post story seems dubious. I’m pretty sure that all along there have been people who came to the Donald’s rallies and were put off by his content-free bluster. Maybe he has peaked and is beginning to sink, but that remains to be seen. I’d believe it was happening only if I saw Dr Ben (or whoever else) gain a greater-than-MOE lead on him, and keep that lead or even add to it over a few weeks. So far, that hasn’t happened yet.
Betty Cracker
See, that’s the crap that could sink him. He can say all sorts of crazy shit about Mexicans and Democrats and his fellow candidates — that’s no problem. But calling out GOP voters themselves — that’s the Lonesome Rhodes moment.
rikyrah
they are a ‘leaderless movement’.
they don’t believe in ‘organizing’, because, you know…respectability politics..
so, not being snarky….
what the phuck do you need money for?
I was listening to Rev. Al’s radio show the other day, and he was having a discussion with a guy about how some young folks are talking ‘ when are you going to pass the baton, Rev. Al? And Rev. Al’s response was, I’ll pass the baton to the young people that I’ve been grooming in my organization. Not going to pass the baton to someone young, just cause they’re young. And, definitely not going to pass the baton to anyone who doesn’t believe in the things that I do, and in the apparatus that I built to get those things accomplished.’
I’ll ask again……
they don’t believe in structure…
so, what.da.phuq do you need money for?
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Major donors consider funding Black Lives Matter
Activists for the protest movement are meeting in secret with liberal funder club.
11/13/15 05:11 AM EST
Some of the biggest donors on the left plan to meet behind closed doors next week in Washington with leaders of the Black Lives Matter movement and their allies to discuss funding the burgeoning protest movement, POLITICO has learned.
The meetings are taking place at the annual winter gathering of the Democracy Alliance major liberal donor club, which runs from Tuesday evening through Saturday morning and is expected to draw Democratic financial heavyweights, including Tom Steyer and Paul Egerman.
The DA, as the club is known in Democratic circles, is recommending its donors step up check writing to a handful of endorsed groups that have supported the Black Lives Matter movement. And the club and some of its members also are considering ways to funnel support directly to scrappier local groups that have utilized confrontational tactics to inject their grievances into the political debate.
It’s a potential partnership that could elevate the Black Lives Matter movement and heighten its impact. But it’s also fraught with tension on both sides, sources tell POLITICO.
The various outfits that comprise the diffuse Black Lives Matter movement prize their independence. Some make a point of not asking for donations. They bristle at any suggestion that they’re susceptible to being co-opted by a deep-pocketed national group ― let alone one with such close ties to the Democratic Party establishment like the Democracy Alliance.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/major-donors-consider-funding-black-lives-matter-215814#ixzz3rNaoGMlY
rikyrah
The first person who got stiffed had an excuse. But, if the man has a reputation…why do business with him? That’s on you for getting into business with a no-paying deadbeat cheat.
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How did Trump get so rich? By refusing to pay in full: ‘I fight like hell to pay as little as possible’
Reuters REUTERS
13 NOV 2015 AT 07:58 ET
Donald Trump has a message for anyone who agrees to do a job for him: If I don’t like your work or I think you’re trying to rip me off, don’t expect to be paid in full.
The billionaire front-runner to be the Republican candidate in the U.S. presidential race says he sometimes refuses to pay bills from contractors he has hired and then forces them to negotiate the final figure down.
“I’ve had many people that when they work for me they get very rich,” Trump said in an interview with Reuters, but, “sometimes I renegotiate.” Adding: “I’ll do that with probably 10 or 15 percent of contractors.”
The strategy has left some small business owners who have done jobs for him over three decades of real estate deals saying they have felt cheated and don’t want to ever work for him again. In a number of cases they have also faced big legal bills from subsequent court action.
Reuters reviewed more than 50 court cases and liens from contractors related to Trump projects in New York, Atlantic City, Miami and West Palm Beach, and interviewed dozens of people who have done construction jobs or legal work for him. The majority said they were paid in full and happy to work for him but at least a dozen said they had been left out of pocket or had watched as other contractors were short-changed.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/how-did-trump-get-so-rich-by-refusing-to-pay-in-full-i-fight-like-hell-to-pay-as-little-as-possible/
Punchy
I’m not surprised he’s having difficulty connecting with ~normal Iowans. For the most part, they’re pretty pragmatic peeps with a decent bullshit detector. Granted, the hardcore GOPers in that state are batshit insane, but Trump bloviating like that to a mixed/neutral crowd in the Dodge will not garner him positive reviews. Trump’s shtick is way more productive in states that dont have any more moderates, like SoCaro and Gorgah.
rikyrah
Colorado to vote on single-payer state health-care system
Proposal would make Colorado first state to provide health care
By David Olinger
The Denver Post
Colorado voters will decide next year whether this state should be the first to pay for comprehensive health care for residents.
Proponents of a single-payer state system gathered enough signatures to put ColoradoCare on the ballot, the secretary of state’s office announced Monday.
They needed 98,492 valid signatures to put a state-governed health care system to a vote. After reviewing a 5 percent sample of the 158,831 signatures submitted, the secretary of state projected that the valid total would be 110 percent of the number required — and certified that Initiative 20, the “State Health Care System,” will be on the 2016 ballot.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29093230/colorado-vote-single-payer-state-health-care-system?source=most_viewed
Amir Khalid
Also, too: I’ll believe The Donald has finally put his foot in his mouth with his supporters when they start abandoning him over something he said. He’s said plenty of awful things — well, plenty of things that sounded awful to you and me — but they ain’t done that yet.
NorthLeft12
@OzarkHillbilly: I think what is even more disturbing is that you, and a lot of other Americans, are relying on a British media outlet to provide this information.
No government or US media source appears to be “interested” in monitoring and documenting police committed shootings/executions. How effed up is that?
NorthLeft12
@Punchy: Really? You did mean Iowa, right?
I would submit that a state that would elect Joni Ernst and Steve King basically cannot tell the difference between bullshit, batshit insane, and normal.
OzarkHillbilly
@NorthLeft12: The WaPo has a count of people shot by police. The Guardian’s is more inclusive in that they count everyone who dies in police custody as well, whether by tasing, or suicide or any other means.
Dork
I cant believe the talking heads haven’t noted the thick and obvious irony (hypocrisy?) of a temper-fueled rant by Trump excoriating the “pathological temper” of another candidate. If this wasn’t the Starbucks cup calling the pentagram satanic, I dont know what is.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Dork: tRump’s rant got pretty good play on Morning Joe this morning, it’s been noticed.
Patrick
@Betty Cracker:
I believe it when I see it. The media has been saying that “Trump is done” ever since his “Mexicans are rapists” comment. Last time I checked he is either number 1 or number 2 in the polls. Jeb Bush would love to have Trump’s numbers.
ThresherK (GPad)
@Betty Cracker: You could spend the rest of this election just bouncing pieces of “A Face in the Crowd” and “Bob Roberts” off me and I’d be happy.
This seems like the Bizarro Network moment though. It’s Trump’s “I’m mad as hell and I’m not.going to take this anymore” diatribe.
Schlemazel
The elders have been looking for a way to damage the Dumpster, we should expect to see this get a lot of play in the various media. They tried it early on and it had the opposite affect from what they wanted but it is still their best hope. If it is only the Dumpster and 3-4 pygmys after New Hampshire the GOP will have its hair on fire.
JPL
Will Trump’s rant hurt Carson? It seems to me that some people will question Carson’s behavior. I think Trump could have survived if he didn’t call Iowans stupid. Calling others stupid would be perfectly okay.
g
“How stupid are the people of Iowa? How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?”
I bet that went over well.
rikyrah
JOHARI OSAYI IDUSUYI (THE WOMAN READING AT THE TRUMP RALLY) IS THE BLACKEST PERSON WHO EVER LIVED THIS WEEK
Damon Young, 11/12/15
Donald Trump is not a legitimate candidate for president.
Sure, Donald Trump is running for president. And it seems like he will likely be the Republican nominee. And he might even be the president! This, unfortunately, is not a far-fetched reality. But even if President Trump becomes a reality, Donald Trump has never been and will never be a legitimate candidate for president. Because to be a legitimate candidate for president, you have to be a legitimate candidate for president, and Donald Trump is not.
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Which is what Donald Trump running for president is. A farce. And by reading her book while this farce of a candidate was speaking about why he should be president, Johari Osayi Idusuyi treated him how she’d presumably treat an onion or a mosquito or my spleen if it were on stage attempting to convince people to vote for it. Which, ultimately, is how everyone should be treating Donald Trump. Like a spleen running for president.
America, though, is usually slow on the take for things Black people are doing first — like the Wobble and adding actual seasoning to meals — and this is a prime example of this phenomenon, which is why Johari Osayi Idusuyi is the Blackest person who ever lived this week.
Also, she’s a Black woman reading a book in a public space. And you can’t get much Blacker than that.
http://verysmartbrothas.com/johari-osayi-idusuyi-the-woman-reading-at-the-trump-rally-is-the-blackest-person-who-ever-lived-this-week/
GregB
@Punchy:
Pragmatic peeps that voted for Rick Santorum!
I believe this is where the media collectively treats Trumps rant like the Dean Scream.
rikyrah
The Brotha that they put as Interim President of UMissouri?
B.A. and J.D.
Like I said…….
show me ANYONE who is the President of a University with ONLY a B.A….
And, I’ll show you a White Male.
Hell, even a White Female has to have more credentials.
Schlemazel
I would not be surprised if Trumps question about the intelligence of Iowans work in his favor.
Iowegian: “I r not stupid, I r not gonna be called stupid. I prove not stupid by supporting the Donald then he no call me stupid!”
with apologies to the millions of non-stupid Iowans (most of my wire’s family) the above detailed disease is not isolated to Iowa and is more properly titled “GOPPERISM”
Cervantes
@g:
With Trump’s supporters.
Cervantes
@rikyrah:
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rikyrah
THE UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI FOOTBALL BOYCOTT IS THE BIGGEST AMERICAN PROTEST OF THE 21ST CENTURY
Damon Young, 11/9/15
I wasn’t alive in the 50s and 60s and 70s when mass boycotts to protest racial injustice was more commonplace and more infused with our national cultural zeitgeist. I, like most of you, am very aware of the Montgomery Bus Boycott and other, less publicized, boycotts (like the New Orleans citizens boycott). But, again, reading about the spirit of a time in a textbook and hearing about it from your parents is a vastly different experience than living through it.
I am, however, old enough to remember the late 80s and the 90s. As well as (obviously) the last 15 years. And I can honestly say that I have never seen a more meaningful and more effective American boycott than the one staged by the University of Missouri football players, whose actions forced President Tim Wolfe to resign.
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This is some major shit.
Because, as absurd and problematic as the countless calls for the players to have their scholarships revoked were, it’s equally absurd that a couple dozens or so kids threatening to not play one football game had such an extensive and decisive impact — on the college, the state, the conference, and the nation — that it took less than 72 hours to get the university president out. It’s nothing short of amazing that those kids had the wherewithal and courage to put their scholarships and livelihoods (current and future) on the line to stand up for what they believed in, and it’s nothing short of terrifying that nothing anyone else on that campus would have done would have mattered the same way. No hunger strikes — and thank you, Jonathan Butler, for sparking this flame — no protests, no petitions signed by students and teachers, no votes of no confidence would have earned the same result as quickly.
http://verysmartbrothas.com/why-the-university-of-missouri-football-boycott-is-the-biggest-american-protest-of-the-21st-century/
Betty Cracker
@Patrick: Yeah, we’ll see. Earlier in this year’s rodeo, I was pretty confident Trump would implode, not because the media says so but because GOP primaries have been playing out this way ever since I can remember — a clown show for the rubes, then the money people stepping in to ensure someone who will keep the wealth flowing upward takes the nomination. I’m less confident about that now.
Maybe this year will be different. We’ll have to wait and see. But it can’t be a good idea for a guy whose numbers have slipped a bit to a rival to vent his spleen on the stupid voters he needs to win. That’s not just breaking the laws of Republican politics — it goes against human nature. People don’t mind hearing that their opponents are stupid (they eat it up), but they don’t like being told THEY are stupid, even when they are. And it makes Trump sound like a sore loser.
NorthLeft12
@OzarkHillbilly: Thanks. I had understood that the Guardian was the definitive source of this data, but did not know that a US media outlet was monitoring it too.
Joel
@rikyrah: God, I hope so. As much as I like seeing the “establishment” Republicans get their comeuppance, the teabaggers need it ten times as much. Romney jumping in late (and corralling support) might be enough to push them over.
rikyrah
@Cervantes:
The Former President of Missouri only had a B.A., and no experience in Academia.
Bill
@Punchy:
I’d buy this if the current leader in Iowa wasn’t Ben Carson.
Patrick
@Betty Cracker:
I don’t think this will hurt him one bit. But I do think as we get within a week or so of the Iowa caucuses that his numbers will start dropping. The voters will go for someone who can beat Hillary. And Trump is not that guy. I’m assuming they rather go for Rubio. So electability will be they key to his demise.
Schlemazel
@rikyrah:
That is weird. Given how degree-prejudiced most university folks are I would have bet money that there wouldn’t even be many with only a masters degree. All those PhDs must have looked down on him.
scav
@Bill: No reason to believe primary participants are a representative sample of Iowans out wandering around.There are loons, no doubt, but primary voters can be a distillation, a quintessence, of loon.
Betty Cracker
@Schlemazel: There seems to have been a trend for a while now to bring in successful business people to whip public institutions, including colleges, into shape. It’s akin to the stupid notion that an “MBA president” can fix the country. It hasn’t always worked out so well (see Bush, George W.).
Paul in KY
@Amir Khalid: Agree. Will believe it when I see it.
Paul in KY
@GregB: He is a republican, GregB…
Cervantes
@rikyrah:
And not only the immediate past president; some of his recent predecessors had no Ph. D., either.
Yes, Middleton, the new guy, has a J. D. But note that, despite its name, the J. D. is not “really” a research doctorate. It is a “taught” degree. In law, in the US, the equivalent of a Ph. D. is an S. J. D.
debbie
This can only be good news for Ben Carson.
Ajabu
@rikyrah:
Well, back in the day (1970’s – when they were screaming for minorities) my BIL got into the UC system with only a BA and went on to become dept. chair before retiring. Of course, it doesn’t count because : music dept. & you know that’s “born right in us” ™
Nice to see we both read VSB…
retr2327
I suspect that the voters have one reaction when Trump’s just making “politically incorrect” and offensive comments (that they wish they could make themselves, in some cases) and quite another when it sounds like he’s just losing his sh*t. And I also think that’s always been a weakness for Trump: provoke him in the right way, and you’ll get a meltdown that will scare voters away from him, because he’s a thik-skinned, obsessive, hyper-sensitive child.
But I do wish he would make his attacks against Carson in a more effective manner. Carson’s backers love the back-story, the redemption from a violent past, etc. Ranting about how Carson attacked his mother doesn’t actually do him any harm; proving that he made the whole terrible temper story up, on the other hand, calls his redemption story into question. It’s amazing that Trump doesn’t understand that.
And finally, could somebody please point out to this clown that pathological does not mean incurable? Sure, some pathological diseases may also be incurable ones, but it’s not the same thing.
Emma
@rikyrah: From a lifetime spent in academia I can tell you “interim president” translates to “someone nobody objects to and who won’t blow up the place while we figure out how to drain the swamp.” The fact that he was a former employee tells me he’s a known factor. And it’s quite possible they have extracted a written promise that he will not apply for the permanent job.
Cervantes
@Emma:
Middleton is the second interim president in recent years. I think he has said he’s not looking for a permanent appointment.
PaulW
@BGinCHI:
don’t jinx it, boss.
PaulW
@rikyrah:
and all he’ll get is the 8 percent from Jeb and about 2-3 percent off Rubio and 1-2 off Kasich. That’s it. Carson and Trump can fart in his general direction and Mitt can’t do a thing to stop them.
brantl
Do you think this asshole ever tolerates a flat Coke? I don’t.
Zinsky
Hillary should use that Trump photo in all of her campaign literature with the caption, “Do you really want a president with fly-away hair?
Emma
@Cervantes: That confirms it. He’s the guy who’s going to keep the lid on while they try to defuse the situation.
replicnt6
@g:
Stupid enough to support you Donny. Maybe stupider.