Document the oddities during the CBS debate that got repackaged as a national security debate.
Here is the CBS information
- Time: 9pm to 11pm ET
- Where to watch/listen:
- On TV: CBS television affiliates or on CBSN streaming on Apple TV,Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Android TV and Xbox One
- Mobile: CBSN streaming on the CBS News apps CBS News for Androidand CBS News for iOS
- Online: CBSNews.com (livestream will include real-time Twitter trends, instant reactions, curated Tweets and other key information)
- On radio: CBS Radio News affiliates
henqiguai
Or you could listen on-line to CSPAN Radio. Probably without all the idiotic chatter.
dslak
Any other Juicers watching with the Hillary campaign folks at Stitch on 37th in Manhattan?
Mnemosyne (tablet)
For NotMax and my fellow Hamimaniacs, I present today’s Ham4Ham, featuring the child stars of “Fun Home” as the literally unsung Hamilton children.
(The show only includes their oldest child, but the Hamiltons had 8 children, all of whom survived to adulthood, which is pretty amazing for that time period. By contrast, only one of Burr’s children survived to adulthood.)
Anoniminous
Wishing I was watching it with the Bernie folks up in Albuquerque.
raven
Glad I’m watching football.
henqiguai
Aaand two minutes of those idiot talking heads making crap up about which to yammer and I’m going to find something more informative to do. Maybe go fix a cup of tea. But I’ll wait for the after action reports because otherwise I’ll just put a foot through my monitor if I have to listen to those network idiots drivel all over the room…
Anoniminous
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is an idiot for scheduling a debate on a Saturday night.
MomSense
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
Those kids were fab.
Baud
Can’t watch. Have fun kids.
CaseyL
It’s probably too much to hope someone will point out that Bush’s war in Iraq triggered this, and question what good another war will do.
Maybe Bernie will make that point.
MomSense
@raven:
You are a wise man. Are you enjoying your beautiful home now that you aren’t sharing it with the builders?
Anne Laurie
@Anoniminous:
Official explanation, per Politico:
Betty Cracker
Now every time I read the word “billionaires,” I pronounce it in my head Bernie-style: billion-ayahs.
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
Don’t mess with Jethro Gibbs.
raven
@MomSense: Huh, I wrote a long comment that went “poof”! We meet with our contractor tomorrow to go over a few little things that need to be done. The girl has been “putting things back together” all day and then we have to get ready for a nice beach trip starting Thursday. I’m off for a couple of weeks in December so I’ll be putting up fences and stuff like that.
henqiguai
@Anne Laurie (#12):
What a load of cow droppings. CSPAN; that’s why they’re there. And it can be streamed by anyone.
Anne Laurie
Here’s the Guardian liveblog:
Jim Parish
@Baud: The missing “I” in the first sentence led me to insert one into the second as well: “(I) have fun kids”, which, I suppose, is a good reason not to watch a debate….
MomSense
@raven:
I’m guessing your wife enjoys decorating and, judging from your photos, she is really good at it. Hope you enjoy your get away.
raven
@MomSense: Yea, she’s a wizard. She’ll be taking her sewing machine to the beach and making curtains and stuff. She enjoys the uninterrupted time while I fish.
jl
Answers seem wishy washy to me from HRC and so far as O’Malley talks. Hope Sander plays some smash mouth.
JPL
@jl: He is but with lots of help from Dickerson.
rikyrah
Obama: Help or hindrance for ’16 Democrats?
BY DAVID LIGHTMAN
Do Democratic presidential candidates defend or inch away from President Barack Obama’s record? There’s no easy answer.
A new McClatchy-Marist Poll found Americans are split, 48-48 percent, on whether they approve of the job Obama’s doing. And by a 60-35 percent margin, people see the nation as moving in the wrong direction.
Numbers such as those usually mean big trouble for the party in power.
“We’re seeing a continuation of Americans being unhappy with the way things are,” said Lee Miringoff, director of the Marist Institute for Public Opinion, which conducted the survey.
Democratic presidential candidates have a big challenge. Obama remains overwhelmingly popular among Democrats, particularly key constituencies. Ninety-one percent of African-Americans and 62 percent of Latinos give Obama high marks.
The general election, though, will be more difficult terrain. The poll suggests than an area where Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton could be strongest is one where any Democratic presidential nominee could have a particularly rough time defending Obama – his foreign policy.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article44763750.html#storylink=cpy
Anne Laurie
@CaseyL: Bernie came pretty close:
Omnes Omnibus
Dickerson is basically just asking the candidates to attack one another.
raven
@efgoldman: They don’t seem to play much D. I wish IU had beaten the stinky Wolverines.
jl
@JPL: i didn’t mean smash mouth against HRC, I meant smash mouth in terms of appearing strong, smash mouthing Dickerson his own hack self. I think all three are doing better now.
I’m surprised one of them has not mentioned recent victory with Kurds against ISIS. Should have said “Hell NO! you stinking GOP hack and I’ll tell you why…”
MomSense
@raven:
I was home sick yesterday and no kids at home so I set up my sewing machine on the kitchen table and finally hemmed curtains that had been packed away from my old house. It felt great to work without interruption.
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Doesn’t Dickerson look like he would fit perfectly on the set of the Age of Innocence.
ETA: All he needs is a top hat and a pocket watch.
jl
Dickerson is going on presumption that things are a total mess and Obama foreign policy has been total failure. I hope one of them tells him to go to hell if (if?) he keeps it up.
HRC made a good response, but not direct enough.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat: Ha!
Heliopause
God, what comical idiocy. They’re all just spouting the usual nostrums. Even Bernie. This is never going to get better. Ever.
rikyrah
double hmmmmph
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AP Exclusive: Democrats see Rubio and Kasich as 2016 threats
By HOPE YEN and STEPHEN OHLEMACHER, Associated Press
2 hrs ago
WASHINGTON — Bring on Donald Trump, and Ben Carson, too.
That’s what Democratic insiders are saying about the Republican outsiders who sit solidly atop preference polls in the race for the GOP nomination for president.
They are far more worried about GOP candidates who have experience in office, with Marco Rubio cited most often as the strongest potential competition for their overwhelming choice for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“As a Democrat, I’d love to see a Trump-Carson ticket,” said Bob Mulholland, a member of the Democratic National Committee from California. “We’d probably win back the Senate and pick up the House as well.”
The Associated Press contacted all 712 superdelegates to the Democratic National Convention next summer, and asked them which Republican they thought would be their party’s strongest opponent in the general election.
Offering a window into how the Democratic establishment is sizing up the competition, most superdelegates declined to name a candidate, expressing bewilderment at a Republican field in which billionaire Trump and retired neurosurgeon Carson are leading in polls while Jeb Bush, the son and brother of presidents, struggles.
Of the 176 superdelegates who answered the question, 65 said Rubio, the first-term senator from Florida, would be the Democrats’ strongest opponent.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ap-exclusive-democrats-see-rubio-and-kasich-as-2016-threats/ar-BBn02uG
raven
@MomSense: There ya have it!
schrodinger's cat
@MomSense: I have been sick too and haven’t been able to make my usual Diwali goodies. Perhaps, tomorrow.
rikyrah
Politics | Sat Nov 14, 2015 5:36pm EST Related: ELECTION 2016, POLITICS
Paris attacks may reshape U.S. presidential race
WASHINGTON/DES MOINES, IOWA | BY JAMES OLIPHANT AND JOHN WHITESIDES
The lethal attacks in Paris have the potential to reshape the U.S. presidential race, placing a new emphasis on issues of national security, border control, and counterterrorism, while perhaps bolstering candidates who talk toughest about taking on Islamic State militants both at home and abroad.
National security has not assumed a central place in a U.S. presidential election for more than a decade as the economy preoccupied American voters. But with the nation’s economic health on the upswing and the threat of Islamic terrorism now looming in Europe, that may change.
National security will be the focus of Saturday’s Democratic presidential debate in Iowa, with the front-runner, Hillary Clinton, expected to be pressed on how she would confront the threat from Islamic State and other terror groups.
“Something as startling, as shocking as these attacks are going to propel (national security) back to center stage,” said Brian Katulis, a foreign-policy analyst with the Center for American Progress, a think-tank in Washington.
In the immediate aftermath of the coordinated assaults in Paris, which killed at least 129 and injured 352 more and for which Islamic State has claimed responsibility, conservative presidential candidates Donald Trump and Ted Cruz called on the Obama administration to reconsider plans to allow thousands of Syrian refugees to be resettled in the United States.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-usa-election-paris-idUSKCN0T30ZI20151114
Omnes Omnibus
Asking HRC to explain what she meant about trying understand enemies? WTF?
jl
Now a dumb question about some crap some GOPer said. And now a gotcha on ‘respect’. One of them should tell Dickerson to knock off the crap. Bernie? Bernie? Bernie?
Edit” OK, Bernie tells The Dick to knock off the word games. Hope he gets stronger on that.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yes, he is. Frankly, I think they’re doing a pretty good job of not taking his bait. When they disagree with each other, they are, so far, respectful. I’m not unhappy to have these three on our bench.
MomSense
@schrodinger’s cat:
Sorry to hear that. What dishes do you make? I’ve been making chai with lots of ginger, pepper, and cinnamon for my cold.
JPL
Dickerson is no tougher than the republican opponents and I think that all the candidates are handling his questions.
dmsilev
@jl: She should have responded by quoting Sun Tzu:
Brachiator
I didn’t intend to watch the debate, but got home early from dinner.
Clinton has a much better grasp of Middle East realities. Sanders doesn’t have an equal grasp of either history or the full consequences of the Iraq folly. He also seems to come close to trying to hold Clinton responsible for all of the Bush/Cheney mis-steps.
The third guy is even more out of his depth.
Betty Cracker
@Omnes Omnibus: Dickerson is a dick.
Anne Laurie
I’m dubious:
jl
OK, good for Sanders for jumping in strong and not acting defensive. Hope HRC and O’Malley follow him.
Dickerson is asking BS questions. Standard corporate media hack. Pedigree don’t mean nothing here.
Anne Laurie
Tricksy lady:
gf120581
@Brachiator: To be honest, any foreign policy/national security heavy debate is going to be skewed favorably toward Clinton, since, as a former SOS, she has all the expereince in the matter. Bernie and O’Malley are really out of their depth on the matter.
And don’t even get me started on the other side. It’s a sign of how utterly unqualified the GOP field is on foreign policy matters when arguably the most experienced one of the candidates is Lindsey Graham, AKA the guy who turns into a shrieking coward every time some random Islamic man looks at him funny.
JPL
Are the other moderators assigned to the kiddy table?
Anne Laurie
Frankensteinbeck
Clinton said what I wanted to hear: That as important as ISIS is, we can’t be the ones to fight that war.
the Conster
Just remember that nothing said tonight will be remembered nor matter one iota to the average uninformed voter a year from now when it’s time to actually vote. By then, the east coast could all be under water from some superstorm, or dealing with the fallout from a dirty nuke, or a new strain of Ebola, or some other black swan event. This is all just political media theater – a lot of noise, signifying nothing.
raven
@the Conster: Hence, LSU-Arkansas!
NotMax
@Anne Laurie
Only because so far as we know no precious ‘merkins were killed. Otherwise the House G.O.P. would be trampling over one another in setting up a committee to hold Kerry, boxed in by Clinton’s tenure at State, at fault.
Anne Laurie
the Conster
@raven:
I feel ya, bro.
Davis X. Machina
@NotMax: A student at one of the CalStates was in fact killed — JYA doing a design degree.
gene108
Saw “Spectre” In the previews there’s a Michael Bay film called “Thirteen Hours” about the attack on Benghazi. Seems to be about a half dozen military guys fighting to the death to protect the consulate at Benghazi. Whole point seems to revolve around the fact no help will come and anyone trying t come was told to “stand down”.
I think when I thought Benghazi was going away, Hollywood makes a big budget film about it that will probably now become the truth for most people, with Michael (Explosions) Bay being the prophet of truth.
raven
@NotMax: There were Americans killed. (at least one)
schrodinger's cat
@MomSense: Just like you make cookies for Christmas you make special snacks for Diwali both savory and sweet that you give your friends.
I make chivda, a savory mix with nuts and beaten rice cereal which you first toast with in an oil infused with mustard seeds, turmeric and hot green or red chilies and karanjis, baked turnovers with coconut filling.
My favorite Diwali snack is bhajani chakli, which I just buy and have never made myself. People also make besan (chickpea flour) laddoos, and rava (cream of wheat) laddoos.
dmsilev
So, um, how come nobody has asked the GOP candidates to explain how _they_ are planning to pay for several trillion dollars worth of tax cuts? And by ‘ask’, I mean ‘ask, and not accept handwaving pixie dust as an answer’.
SiubhanDuinne
Fuck Mike Huckabee. Fuck him with asiangrrlmn’s rusty pitchfork. Sideways, and marinated in anthrax.
gf120581
@efgoldman: I like to say Lindsey spends his days cowering under his bed in terror of the scary Muslim threat…but then I realize he wouldn’t because there are monsters under the bed.
Davis X. Machina
@gene108: What’s the Maghreb Arabic for “Alamo”?
jl
I guess I am cranky dude, but I would have started every answer with “That’s BS question with a BS premise and I’ll tell you why…”
Need to be polite with the twitter question. But it’s BS to start debating details of accepting Syrian refugees before we know what really happened. One of the attackers was linked to a passport of a recent refugee, another was French born. That is all I think we know now.
OK, so after a half an hour of mediocre and unfocused questions about terrorism, mostly meretriciously focused narrowly on HRC, we move on? Well, good enough for hack corporate media work, I guess.
NotMax
@raven</a.
Then expect the nutball caucus to demand Ryan announce a witch hunt committee on Monday.
the Conster
Hoping for an O’Malley surge to make this more interesting. He’s actually got some policy chops that just aren’t being highlighted. Hey, where’s askew been?
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@NotMax: A US college student died in one of the restaurant attacks according to the AP:
:-(
Cheers,
Scott.
rikyrah
water is wet news
Black Americans twice as likely as whites to face use of non-fatal police force, US study says
Justice Department analysis of tens of millions of interactions finds black Americans encounter such force or the threat of it at a far higher rate
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/14/black-americans-twice-as-likely-as-whites-to-face-use-or-threat-non-fatal-police-force-us-study
raven
@NotMax: She was hispanic, that’s take the heat off.
An American college student studying in Paris was one of the victims killed in the terror attacks that struck the French capital, the college announced.
California State University Long Beach identified the American as one of its students, Nohemi Gonzalez,
Betty Cracker
“I’m not that much of a socialist compared to Eisenhower.” — Bernie Sanders FTW
Anne Laurie
p.a.
@Anoniminous:
NotMax
@raven
Will admit to not following the story all that closely yet. Waiting for things to settle down from the usual fog of immediacy and the wheat to be separated from the chaff.
SiubhanDuinne
Bernie takes on Big Pharma!
raven
@NotMax: You could join the “I’m pissed off because Beirut didn’t get the same coverage” team.
rikyrah
Frustrated 8th-grader writes letter about racism he experiences at school
by theGrio | November 14, 2015 at 3:54 PM
Za’’Khari Waddy is only 13 years old, but already, he has had to face extreme racism.
“Ever since we’ve moved to this area my son has been faced with racism,” Za’Khari’s mother, Zettrona Powell, wrote in a letter to the school. “He’s been asked if he was going to rape or rob a young lady, he’s been pushed into lockers and called a n—-r on numerous occasions.”
Za’Khari wrote an open letter describing the abuse he has had to endure at school, in the hopes that he will be able to draw attention to the issue.
“Yesterday on the football bus coming from our football game a kid … started saying racist things to me. He then started saying he does not like blacks and he told me 200 years ago my ancestors hung from a tree and after he said that I should I hang from a tree,” Za’Khari wrote in his open letter.
Frustrated 8th grader writes letter about racism he experiences at school news letter“That made me super mad, so in the locker room I told him not to call me n—-r or that I should be hung on a tree,” he continued.
“The coaches took me away from the kid because I was really mad and they think I was going to fight him but I want someone to do something about it because I’m tired of boys messing with me because of my skin. I’m at my boiling point with this. Please do something about this because when I bring it to the office/principle [sic] you do nothing about it and I’m tired of the racism.”
Despite this, the school has done nothing except to tell Za’Khari’s mother that they would look into the issue.
“This has crushed my son’s spirit,” she said. “When my son got off the bus, he threw his backpack, the coaches came in and told him don’t let it get to him. How can he not allow this to bother him mentally? This has mentally damaged my son.”
http://thegrio.com/2015/11/14/frustrated-8th-grader-writes-letter-about-racism-he-experiences-at-school/
JPL
I’d like to see the Republican candidates agree to letting Dickerson moderate their debate. They only would if they had the questions ahead of time. Also if Dickerson tsked them for breaking the rules, they’d throw a hissy fit.
Anne Laurie
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Another American was shot in the Bataclan. She survived, but a close friend of hers died in front of her. (I don’t know her, but we have a mutual friend.)
jl
@SiubhanDuinne: I’m more Bernie than HRC, but to be fair, HRC said she would take on big Pharma too.
Not to be too cynical, but I read that corporate contributions to HRC PACs have been less than expected, since they have decided she is not longer ‘trustworthy’, so there may be connection.
Chris
@gene108:
I saw that. Man, I thought American Sniper was bad; this is going to be even worse. Fuck Michael Bay.
Anne Laurie
NotMax
@raven
It’s more the experience that rumor and innuendo fly fast and furious for the first several days in the current sensationalist U.S. media. Put bluntly, that’s not reporting, that’s gossip.
rikyrah
yep, another slave catcher
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Jenean Hampton is Kentucky’s version of Ben Carson
Opinion
by David A. Love | November 7, 2015 at 10:33 AM
Kentucky has a new lieutenant governor who is making history as the first African-American elected to statewide office in the Bluegrass state.
Meet Jenean Hampton. Imagine Ben Carson, but as a woman living in Kentucky, with all the atrocious political positions and appeals to white racists.
Much like Carson, Kentucky’s new second-in-command is not a career politician. And at a time when sisters are doing things such as building a new #BlackLivesMatter movement to fight racism and police violence against black people, Hampton is one of the few black women in the country who is down with the Tea Party. And the top of her ticket, Matt Bevin, the governor-elect with whom she ran as running mate, apparently is down with white supremacists. But we’ll get to that later.
Also like Dr. Ben Carson, the 57-year-old Tea party activist from Bowling Green was born and raised in Detroit. Her mother — who did not have a high school diploma and cleaned homes — and her father — who worked in the automobile industry — divorced when Hampton was 7. Her mother was left to take care for Hampton and her three sisters.
http://thegrio.com/2015/11/07/jenean-hampton-is-kentuckys-version-of-ben-carson/
Anne Laurie
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@gene108: I saw that preview too. My eyes damned near rolled up an out of my head because (1) enough already with this, and (2) plenty of Americans are dumb enough to get their information from a damned Michael Bay movie.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Actually it was a good question, given those remarks, and a good answer from her. After she made that speech last December, I actually did a guest post up for John to post here, but it got lost in the spam filter and never went up.
The reason its an important question to ask, as well to answer, is that too often we’ve heard elected and appointed officials, as well as people in the news media – pundits/commentators and guest subject matter experts, argue we don’t need to understand anything. Essentially that there isn’t any nuance. Without understanding the nuance, without trying to get into one’s opponents or enemy’s head, you can’t develop effective policy, let alone strategy. All you can do is respond tactically. The whole point of using forms of national power other than military (diplomatic, information, and economic), and military power in a strategic way, is predicated on understanding.
Too often this is portrayed as trying to explain motivations away or create a sense of equivalence – false or otherwise. But that’s really not it. As I’ve written before, ISIS’s base ideology/doctrine/theology is tawheed (the radical unity of the Deity). Now there’s some stuff added on to that: some of it is tactical level operational dynamics, some of it has to do with ethno-national issues (the Chechen support), but the base is tawheed. Without understanding both the foundational concepts, as well as what is incorporated into and onto it, there is no way to develop effective information operations or PSYOPs to counter ISIS recruiting, let alone to even understand its appeal.
I’m waiting for more information to crystalize in the news reporting, but it is clear that at least two of the locations targeted last night are owned by Muslims. Now if this turns out to be a deliberate selection of targets, then it reinforces the need to understand tawheed, which asserts that only those that accept the radical unity of the Deity and relocate to where it is practiced are actually Muslims. All others are apostates and to be fought and killed wherever they are encountered. Given that the BBC’s reporting earlier today is that this was a cell of individual who had gone from France to Syria and then returned to go operational, a deliberate targeting of Muslim owned businesses/concerns would be a strike against apostasy. And we only are able to tease these things out if we do try to get inside the enemy’s head.
dmsilev
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: I saw a preview for that film on TV a week or so ago, and it seemed to me that the plot, such as it was, was that there was a secret Team Of Heroes who Disobeyed The Stand-down Order and Fought Heroically despite being abandoned by the Washington Establishment.
MomSense
@schrodinger’s cat:
I’ve had something like chivda. It had small peanuts that were really tasty. I’ve tried it with a puffed rice cereal and also with popcorn that is much smaller than the common, American popcorn.
Thanks for posting the karenjis recipe. Those look wonderful.
Is there a sweet that looks like the Bhajani chikli but made with carrots?
I have a friend who is teaching me some Indian dishes. I can only make a few things but I’m really enjoying myself.
NotMax
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
Free for any reviewer to use, this capsule lede:
Benghazi: Less than meets the eye.
Baud
@dmsilev:
As it should be.
Anne Laurie
MEDIA BIAS!
jl
I guess non of them economists, so not fair, but the premise of the minimum wage question is BS.
Krueger put out no research showing fifteen buck minimum wage would cost jobs, he was just expressing worry.
Now that hack moderator is distorting what Kreuger said again.
OK, good on HRC for calling her on it.
HRC is very smart and very informed, have to give her that.
But O’Mally is wrong that Krueger is a Wall Street whore economists. He is very neutral data driven labor economist.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: I guess it seemed like the benefits of understanding one’s opponent seemed self-evident to me. I saw the question as a “why should try to understand them, we’re just planning on killing them anyway?” sort of thing.
Adam L Silverman
@Davis X. Machina: Is it in the sense of a final hold fast or one that ultimately falls to the enemy?
p.a.
@jl: that’s a check in her favor.
@Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:
Sadly, it’ll be on par with getting news from Fux.
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
Lol. Did those guys even watch any of the GOP debate?
MomSense
@rikyrah:
Oh my god. That is horrible.
JPL
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks Adam for the comment. I had no idea that some of the places attacked were owned by Muslims.
Brachiator
@Adam L Silverman:
Very interesting analysis. I thought I read that a Cambodian business was sprayed with gunfire, but I had not seen that Muslim businesses were targeted as well.
That ISIS seeks to punish apostates is consistent with its stated ideology. That they would consider all Muslims around the world as potentially subject to their judgement is chilling.
Adam L Silverman
@Anne Laurie: Only Congress can declare war. This Congress can barely declare a recess…
Chris
@dmsilev:
Which is increasingly the only plot Hollywood knows how to put in their action movies. But applying it to a real world event in a way that fits every right wing conspiracy theory is beyond fucked up; it’s the equivalent of making a movie about 9/11 that vindicates the Truthers.
PhoenixRising
@Adam L Silverman:
Um, say more?
JPL
Please don’t tell me you have a comprehensive plan.. Tell me details.
gf120581
@Chris: It’s Michael Bay. No one’s going to take anything he makes seriously. The man is a walking punch line, after all. His main gig is blowing shit up, with side gigs of turning underage/barely legal girls into sex objects, indulging in boderline racist stereotypes, and raping our childhood memories (“Transformers” and “TMNT”).
Omnes Omnibus
@Brachiator: I believe it was an Algerian owned and operated restaurant. Muslim owners and staff.
raven
@Brachiator: I can’t find any reference to that.
Anne Laurie
dmsilev
@Adam L Silverman: I believe the traditional expression is ‘can’t organize an orgy in a brothel’, but with David Vitter still in the Senate, there is a reservoir of domain-specific expertise.
Betty Cracker
What, O’Malley is freelance moderator now?
Anne Laurie
jl
HRC is right about going after shadow banking, but big banks are natural channels to open up new shadow banking sectors. HRC’s policies are weak on controlling the banks themselves.
Sanders strong, but still in stump speech mode. I’d rather Sanderrs spend at least a phrase explaining why need to break up banks. HRC right to challenge Sanders on his attack.
Sanders should have stuck to substance,
NO, HRC is not right her approach is stronger overall, IMHO, Too much regulatory discretion in HRC’s approach to banks themselves.
NotMax
@gf120581
In other words, box office gold.
(Too cynical?)
PhoenixRising
@Brachiator: Yes, one of the targeted locations was a family-owned restaurant run by 1st-gen French-Cambodians. Parents fled SE Asia in ’79, worked up to a restaurant in a hip, integrated neighborhood.
Nothing says ‘not doing anti-colonial push-back along political lines’ like French-born children of Arab immigrants killing French-born children of Cambodians. This is clearly tahweed.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Got it. Its also important for doing the new Engagement Warfighting Function: http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/pams/tp525-8-5.pdf.
One of the best things written on understanding one’s opponents is Kennan’s The Long Telegram aka The X Article: https://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/coldwar/documents/pdf/6-6.pdf and https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/1947-07-01/sources-soviet-conduct.
The first link is to a pdf of the actual, and now declassified, cable. The second link is to the journal article version published in Foreign Affairs in 1947.
Anne Laurie
@dmsilev: There’s always the traditional “couldn’t organize a piss-up at a brewery”.
Although I think the current Repubs better deserve a John D. MacDonald line: the organizational abilities of a kitten with diarrhea.
Brachiator
@gf120581:
The GOP claims that HRC is the worst SOS evah. It is good to see that she can admirably demonstrate a mastery of foreign policy. Not everyone recently appointed to the post has done as well.
And yes, she clearly shows up the weakness of the Republicans, esepecially Fiorina and Rubio, who like to pretend that they are knowledgeable by throwing out phony numbers and dubious factoids.
jl
Well, good that Sanders and O’Malley are in race. Forced HRC to make a promise to break up banks if her regulatory approach doesn’t work. Not much, but something.
gene108
@dmsilev:
Read reviews about the book the movie is based on. The “stand down” order was basically the section chief telling the CIA contractors, to not go running to Ambassador Steven’s call for help, because they were trying to get the local militias to come in as back-up.
After 20 minutes, when it looked like the locals were not going to how up, the contractors were let loose.
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Sen. Sanders is an idiot for wanting to re-instate Glass-Steigal and break-up the banks. It is a popular talking point on the Left, but neither Bear-Sterns, Lehmen Brothers and AIG would not have been affected if Banks were broken up or glass-steigal was put back in place.
Bear-Sterns and Lehmen Brothers were traditional investment banks (yay Hilary gets it!!!) and AIG was never a bank.
Glass-Steigal means nothing with regards to those players that nearly tanked the economy.
Adam L Silverman
@JPL: Two of the restaurants. I’m curious to see if other of the restaurants or other entertainment areas were also owned by Muslims. My limited understanding, not having been in Paris in 20 years, is that those two restaurants are located in one of the arrondisements that has a large Muslim-French population. So it may simply be that the members of the cell knew that was an apostate rich environment for targeting and they simply went there and started shooting. It may also be that they were specifically looking to reinforce the tawheed messaging. And it is quite possible we will never know.
Anne Laurie
jl
@gene108: I think need HRC’s shadow bank regulation and break up the big banks. I don’t think either one’s plan is sufficient.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: It’s on her campaign website.
NotMax
@gene108
Strictly for future reference, it’s Glass-Steagall.
Brachiator
@efgoldman:
Transformers 4 gross over $1 billion worldwide. Nobody lost shirts, and a lot of new shirts were bought.
Buy your tickets to the new movie now.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: thanks.
Omnes Omnibus
HRC just dropped Krugthulu on Bernie.
NotMax
@NotMax
And I’d lay some serious folding money on the table that not 1 in 50 people asked would have the slightest idea what the name refers to.
Davis X. Machina
@gene108: The indispensible Mike Konczal on Glass-Steagall
Anne Laurie
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ha. You beat me to that.
pamelabrown53
@Omnes Omnibus:
What did she say?
Omnes Omnibus
O’Malley: I have a website. I am too a real candidate.
Davis X. Machina
@NotMax: Doesn’t matter — it’s a shibboleth. This campaign season’s ‘public option’. Quemoy-Matsu for a new millennium.
Omnes Omnibus
@pamelabrown53: She said the Krug said her plan was best.
Anne Laurie
Mike in DC
I think the wall street thing is a vulnerability for her.
Adam L Silverman
@PhoenixRising: I read, in one of the latest updates very early this morning that two of the restaurants/cafes that were shot up were owned by Muslims. One was clearly identified as owned by a Tunisian immigrant. I can’t recall the ultimate national origin of the other owner. Both owners made it clear that the terrorists were not representing Islam and they did not want to be considered as part of the same religious community as the terrorists. Finally, the cafe was open for Sunday morning coffee and breakfast. The owner made it clear he was reopening this AM in order to deny the terrorists a victory. If I can find the verdammt news report, I’ll put a link up.
Brachiator
@jl:
Talking about breaking up banks as a magic solution is infantile. If this is all Sanders has got, he is not going to get much more than the liberal crank vote.
Alexander Hamilton wept.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: BTW, YOU are not allowed to disagree with me. On anything. Ever. Now that I’ve reminded you, hope you behave from now on.
NotMax
Stupid servers.
One can readily fathom why the word Matters is secondary to the word Hosting on the service.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: That was it. Now if I could just find the article again!
Anne Laurie
Politico reporter, on the truly important metrics…
jl
@Brachiator: I think breaking up the big banks is necessary in addition to shadow banking regulation proposed by HRC. But I agree that it is looking like that is all Sanders has. Or he thinks he can get by on one or two slogans. Either way, disappointing.
Adam L Silverman
@dmsilev: My Dad used to have two related sayings: 1) couldn’t organize an orgy in a whorehouse and 2) could f^&k up a wet dream. Either works. He also liked: “if the opposite of pro is con, then the opposite of progress is Congress”.
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
I’m able to watch the last few minutes. Don’t agree with that tweet.
JPL
Bernie is a dreamer.
Anne Laurie
Brachiator
@Omnes Omnibus: Many of the timelines of the attack mention this:
jl
A lot of hack reactionary framing in this debate by moderators. Hope one of the candidates calls them on it at the right time.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: I got it from France 24 last night – no cite available.
@Omnes Omnibus: @pamelabrown53: Here is the Krugthulu piece.
jl
O for Gawd’s sake. A gotcha question on Sanders on HRC’s emails.
Hack hack hackity hack moderators.
Strong answer from Sanders.
Davis X. Machina
@jl:
Disappointing only if you’re in it to win it. He’s a stalking horse.
No matter what Sanders says, what he does on that score shouts the opposite.
Anne Laurie
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: That may have been where I saw it too.
Omnes Omnibus
Crap, I overlinked and went into moderation. A little help please?
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: already been freed.
NotMax
@Adam L. Silverman
I categorically deny paternity.
:)
Also too, “He could screw up a one-man parade” and “He couldn’t find his ass using both hands in a field of mirrors at high noon.”
JPL
I have a vision that O’Malley is going to pull out his guitar and put his words to song.
SiubhanDuinne
Donald Trump has started weighing in on Twitter. Calls Dem debate a “circus” and a “joke.”
David Koch
@jl: how does breaking up the banks move policy forward? wouldn’t they simply band together and create pacs and lobbys like every other industry? reducing size wouldn’t reduce greed and speculation.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks.
Davis X. Machina
@SiubhanDuinne: I believe we can qualify Mr. Trump as an expert witness in this field.
PhoenixRising
@efgoldman: Silverman dropped The X Letter. Foreign Policy, 1947.
I’m so old I was in college when that was the first item for reading in Politics of the Middle East, 205. So old that indeed, I’m comfortable stating that more focus on the distinctions between Maoism and the goals of Ho Chi Minh in about 1960 could have saved millions of lives in SE Asia. So yes, let us review the things we might learn from the century we closed out that was supposed to be the end of war.
Adam L Silverman
@NotMax: Given that I know where my Dad is and that he’s been inactive since 2003, there’s no paternity to deny.
Anne Laurie
dmsilev
@SiubhanDuinne: Are we sure it’s really Trump writing those Tweets? That sounds like someone turned on the Trump-o-matic tweet-generating script.
jl
I don’t like that the candidates often do not answer the same question.
I think the planning and moderation of the debates has been horrible to mediocre, for both GOP and Dems.
Davis X. Machina
@PhoenixRising: Yeah, but who promoted Peress? Huh? Huh?
redshirt
Thank you BJ for giving me the gist, because I am done with TV and will never watch American news again by choice and I feel immensely better by so doing. You will too.
amk
@Anne Laurie: glenn thrush is a know-nothing gopolitico idjit. why do you even bother?
schrodinger's cat
@gene108: Glass-Steagall would have prevented Bank of America and Citibank from tanking, they were the two biggest recipients of TARP and they are also commercial banks whose deposits are guaranteed by FDIC.
If G-S was on the books it would have definitely reduced the magnitude of the disaster.
David Koch
I’m watching the Iowa v Minnesota game and Sanders has commercials all through the broadcast. So Tad Devine atleast knows how do one thing right.
Adam L Silverman
@PhoenixRising: While some of the material may be a bit dated, though with Putinism even the Russian specific material is suddenly relevant again, its real timeless contribution is in Kennan’s argument for the need to understand who you’re dealing with, their history, society, politics, economics, religion, kinship dynamics, and the ideas that tie them all together and provide the framework for how they view and understand the world and events.
gene108
@jl:
My point is the Left seems to view Glass-Steagall as some sort of magic talisman that would have prevented teh Bush, Jr. misadministration.
Just misses the point that the actors that set off the financial crisis would not have been impacted by Glass-Steagall, and some of the things done to save institutions, such as Merrill Lynch would not have been possible, if Glass-Steagall was still in place.
The problems are just so far beyond Glass-Steagall, I just wish leadrs on the Left, like Sanders, would help to inform his supporters about the limits of Glass-Steagall on preventing the actions of Lehmen Brothers and AIG and its limits in sovling problems now.
Breaking up banks can mitigate systemic risk, but it doesn’t stop financial institutions from gaming otherwise well intentioned ideas like CDO’s for short term gain.
Brachiator
@efgoldman:
Michael Bay is the auteur of bombastic cinema. I don’t particularly like his stuff, but he knows how to crank out the hits.
Granted that Pain and Gain was a dud, but I don’t think anyone can brand this upcoming movie as an instant disappointment.
David Koch
@efgoldman: but how in the aggregate does it matter if one bank is playing with 50 billion or if the 5 banks are playing with 10 billion.
the problem with the meltdown wasn’t one bad actor, rather all the industry actors were acting bad.
jl
@David Koch:
” how does breaking up the banks move policy forward? wouldn’t they simply band together and create pacs and lobbys like every other industry? reducing size wouldn’t reduce greed and speculation. ”
It would reduce the industry’s ability to direct funds towards and provide liquidity for new shadow banking sectors through regulatory arbitrage. So, I think need both Sanders and HRC policies to adequately control unstable financial sector.
PhoenixRising
@Adam L Silverman: Pretty sure that’s why it was the first reading assignment. And that approach to problems–understanding the ‘other side’s ideology can save a lot of bullets–is still a valid one.
I don’t know much about today’s Russia, because I’m so old I learned about the Soviet Union from Condi Rice herself, and I’ve been busy with other topics since the mid-90s.
pamelabrown53
@Omnes Omnibus: Thanks.
Anne Laurie
David Koch
Stanford just fumbled on the 10 yard line. what a disaster. They’re gettin one last chance with 90 seconds left.
jl
@gene108: I agree.
I guess I am leftier than Sanders and HRC combined. I want very strong financial sector regulation.
NotMax
@Brachiator
Bay has never met an original idea he didn’t ignore.
David Koch
@jl: can you provide an example.
Thanx in advance.
Baud
Bernie’s medicare for all plan is administered by the states??
jl
More hack framing from, apparently, smug and reactionary hack moderators. What is with the BS graphics on CBS?
p.a.
@efgoldman:
Not an actor for the Star Trek reboot?!
Adam L Silverman
@PhoenixRising: A good source is the blog Stiftung Leo Strauss and its proprietor who blogs using the pseudonym Professor Leo Strauss. And he’s not a neo-Con, he’s being ironic. http://www.stiftungleostrauss.com
Anne Laurie
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: At least we’re consistent?
JPL
@Baud: He forgot that he’s a socialist.
David Koch
@jl:
Baud
Test
NotMax
@efgoldman
In deference to JFK, that’s “Cubeh.”
amk
Michael Grunwald @MikeGrunwald 1h1 hour ago
In the last debate, the questions were asked from a GOP perspective. In this debate, they’re from a GOP perspective.
Matt McIrvin
@Anne Laurie: Good God, it’s the same crap they do with Obama. If she said “radical Islam” it’d be all about how she never said “Muslim terrorists” and if she said “Muslim terrorists” they’d say she never said “Islamic terror”.
Betty Cracker
@Baud: Yeah, I’m puzzled by that too…
ThresherK
@NotMax: C’mon, how long since anyone wasted an original idea by bringing it to Michael Bay?
Baud
@JPL:
If that’s accurate, that completely undermines his whole case on health care.
schrodinger's cat
@MomSense: I think you are thinking of jalebis. I don’t think they are made with carrots, its the food color that makes them orange.
Bhajani flour, is just roasted flour made from a bunch of different grains (wheat, rice, lentil, and I have to ask my mom for the ingredient list), plus spices and sesame seeds. They are to die for. The commercially made ones are just not that great.
Brachiator
Wow, they are going with a stupid hypothetical “what crisis did you respond to” that would mark you as potentially presidential. Dumbasses.
I respect the governor for diverting the stupid question into something a little more reasonable.
Sanders just ignored it and answered something different. That’s OK too.
p.a.
@dmsilev: there’s an online Glenn Beck conspiracy generator. Maybe there’s a TrumpTweeter.
Omnes Omnibus
HRC drops bin Laden on everyone.
David Koch
Stanford/Oregon game is gritty
Sanford 1st and goal on the 9 with 14 seconds left.
Baud
WTF O’Malley?
dmsilev
@Omnes Omnibus: O’Malley isn’t responding well.
JPL
@Baud: I still expect him to start singing a folk song.
Omnes Omnibus
@dmsilev: It was basically, “I got nuthin’.”
Baud
@JPL:
Couldn’t hurt at this point.
dmsilev
“Governor O’Malley, your closing statement. Oops, never mind, time for another commercial break”
Anne Laurie
Baud
@Anne Laurie:
Yeah, I was flabbergasted.
David Koch
Stanford scores, but fails to convert 2 pt conversion under heavy pressure, loses 36-38 ?
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@efgoldman: +1
Cheers,
Scott.
NotMax
@ThresherK
There’s a Hollywood anecdote from the time after Die Hard was a hit.
Apparently it became popular to pitch something as “Die Hard on ocean liner” or “Die Hard, but in a shopping mall” and so on.
To the point that as the years passed, someone actually pitched a script as “Die Hard in an office building.”
redshirt
@NotMax: Speed = Die Hard on a bus.
jl
@David Koch: Yes, I read that bank when, and I disagree with Krugman a little. The shadow bank system to finance the housing bubble started with investment banks shoving stuff off book by securitization. And banking system has access to wider range of sources to get backstop liquidity through settlement pools and Fed and other central banks, and shadow banking system will look for a way to get to that.
We can regulate what the banks and shadow sector did last time, cannot regulate what they will come up with next. And I think bigness in and of itself increases chances of systematic risk. So, yes it is an axe type solution, but in some cases taking an axe to something is a good precaution.
Edit: to clarify, I don’t agree with Sanders that breaking up the big banks is The Key. I think it is a wise precaution to go along with HRC plan to regulate shadow banking.
Glidwrith
@Anne Laurie: I rather liked the honesty, especially since it points out how little the carnival barkers on the other side have to offer. They have no foreign policy experience at the governor level and none of those candidates can say they had a well run state.
Anne Laurie
benw
@NotMax:
“This is Die Hard at Benghazi.”
“Who’ll play the ambassador?”
“We’re thinking… Bruce Willis.”
“Original! I love it!”
NotMax
@efgoldman
Yeah, it was a toss-up as whether to type the eh or the er ending. Mentally flipped a coin on that one.
Vaughn Meader did go with Cuber, though, and that became the standard recollection.
Baud
FORGET EVERYTHING THEY SAID I WANT TO KNOW WHO WON!!!!
Omnes Omnibus
Oh fuck, Major Garrett.
Anne Laurie
jl
@Baud: You did Baud, you did!
dmsilev
@redshirt: I still can’t get over the core conceit of Speed of a bus staying above 50 mph (or whatever it was) on the LA freeways. Anyone who has driven or ridden in LA knows that’s impossible.
gf120581
@Glidwrith: Kasich is the only one of the governors running on the other side who can plausibly argue he didn’t drive his state into a ditch. Not coincidentally, he’s the only one who’s approval rating is actually something to be happy about (especially compared to Jindal and Christie, who have approval ratings roughly on the level of syphillis).
Baud
Baud 2016!: Die Hard on a Blog!
Anne Laurie
dmsilev
@Baud: You can’t make it too obviously a derivative. I suggest
p.a.
@jl:
I thought he did fine.
NotMax
@Baud
Baud 2016. A flawless upgrade!
jl
@p.a.: Baud showed very quiet strength throughout the debate.
gf120581
@Anne Laurie: Little harsh, but I do admit I’m getting tired of hearing Sanders babble about a “revolution” with no real plan on how to accomplish it. Or anything, really. It’s just empty talk from him.
Glidwrith
@gf120581: True about Kasich – he is the only candidate that truly worries me as competition against our candidates, because he didn’t run his state into the ground and therefore looks reasonable as a potential president. Of course, the feces-on-the-walls primary ReThug voters don’t want anything resembling governance, so we won’t have to worry about him.
Amir Khalid
It doesn’t seem from the Guardian’s live-blog that there were any big game-changing moments in the debate. Mike O’Malley is still an also-ran. Bernie is still more populist on the economy than Hillary — especially on the minimum-wage question, where he favours $15 an hour rather than $12. But I reckon Hillary didn’t make any mistakes even there, where she is the least populist of the Democrats, and defended her position decently well. On foreign policy, she blows both Bernie and O’Malley out of the water.
Once again the Democratic presidential debate is all about the issues, and not about petty name-calling. I expect the horse-race political media to be disappointed by the lack of excitement.
I doubt the Democratic presidential-race polling will change much after this.
Anne Laurie
p.a.
@jl:
We have nothing to Baud but Baud himself.
(Herself? Unsure)
ThresherK
@NotMax: I’m a sucker for movies about moviemaking.
In Robert Altman’s The Player, the opening scene had Buck Henry pitching a movie to a studio exec with the deathless promise, “It’s Ghost meets The Manchurian Candidate“.
@gf120581: Syphilis is more popular than Jindal or Christie. Look at the trends!
Baud
@jl:
I thought I looked presidential.
@NotMax:
I wish I was asked about the crisis that showed I would be a good president. I would have addressed the site redesign and explained how my resiliency carried the community through the present difficulties.
Omnes Omnibus
@Amir Khalid: Even on the minimum wage issue, there are people who have worked in the field who say that the indexed $12 wage is the better option. Not my area, but it sounds plausible.
jl
@Amir Khalid: I feel I need to listen to the Dem debates (no more GOPer shows, for serious, they mess with my head) since next election is critical.
But I come away a little disappointed. Maybe Bill Clinton and Obama so good that I think about how they would handle a debate. And then there is Warren, who I know is not running, but I think how she would do. All three of these people would do good as president, but none really gifted at communication in the midst of the fray. I think all of them would chew up and spit out any of the GOPers, except maybe Kasich, but he is going nowhere. And Rubio is kind of unknown, since so far he has been getting away with emitting pre-canned BS.
David Koch
@Baud: According to Twitter the winner is xxxxx
oh, p.s. Oklahoma – Baylor is currently a knockdown drag out epic.
amk
@Baud:
?
news to me.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Betty Cracker: Meh. While the question was ridiculous, I thought Hillary’s answer was very poor, myself. Someone remembering Hillary in the famous situation room picture with her look of great concern with her hand over her mouth might wonder about her temperament after a military decision has been made.
O’Malley’s answer was great for its clarity and honesty, IMHO. There are going to be crises in coming years. A good leader has a competent team in place before hand. Being a Mayor and Governor can prepare one for the types of decisions a President has to make. Hillary is smart and competent, but her political instincts to try to show how important she was in the particular instances she brings up often seems tone-deaf to me (“sniper fire”, “I told the bankers to cut it out”, and so forth).
Obama made the decision to go after bin Laden. She had input on the decision, but it was his. Once the decision was made, whatever happened that night in the Situation Room at the White House was nothing in comparison.
Of course, if the Twitter and reactions here are any indication, the political press is going to try to crucify O’Malley for this, to try to force him out. Just as during this debate the moderator and questioners tried to marginalize him at every opportunity. Let’s hope he sticks around at least through March. Forcing him out early does nobody on the Democratic side any good…
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
redshirt
@jl:
Why, though? You’re voting Dem no matter who the candidate is, right? So why waste time slogging through the two year campaign?
NotMax
@ThresherK
Picturing Whoopi Goldberg in the Angela Lansbury role….
:)
jl
@redshirt: I’m revving up for the political revolution!
Edit: and I’ve given almost 100 bucks to Sanders. I’m an damn mega-donor. If he screws up, I want to call him up and get an audience, maybe order him to drop out. Hey, works for Kochs with Walker and Rubio and Jeb. Doing that might be fun.
p.a.
@Amir Khalid:
Hil is a double-edged sword in one way. She can fundraise well enough to be effective, but she helps the R’s increase their take from the nickel and dime crowd who have an absolute pathalogical hatred of her. I don’t think Bernie (even as a socialist) or O’Malley energizes that segment. And with the $ the Rethugs will bring under normal circumstances, that extra bump will be useful.
Betty Cracker
Gawd, I made the mistake of turning to CNN to see the post-debate spin, and now I want to swallow a red-hot coal and wash it down with kerosene. It couldn’t burn as much as the stupid!
Baud
@Betty Cracker:
Too bad France 24 didn’t cover the debate.
redshirt
@p.a.: So her very existence is a political negative for her and Democrats as a whole?
p.a.
@jl: How many emails a day do you get now that you’ve donated? I just sign some petitions and I’m inundated daily.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: What were you thinking? How much wine was involved? Was the wine spiked with gin? You’ll feel awful tomorrow.
NotMax
@Betty Cracker
Categorically Not News.
The first rule of pundit club: Yammer about what you’ve prepared beforehand, not about what occurred.
Amir Khalid
@p.a.:
Does it? And if it does, does any of that extra small-donor money make any Republican candidate look better at presidenting than Hillary? So far, it has not. And I think that’s the real difference between any Democratic candidate and any Republican candidate.
redshirt
@p.a.: Also, you’re naive to think if Sanders were the nominee he wouldn’t become Public Enemy #1 overnight.
Perhaps you forget that wondrous period back in 2008 when Obama was well received by Republicans and their publications (because they thought Hillary was going to win)? Until it became clear he was going to win the nomination.
And then, and since, it’s been pure hate.
Baud
@efgoldman:
Don’t be silly. Why would I wear my sexytime attire to a presidential primary debate?
p.a.
@redshirt: She’s our best chance to win, but she also will energize the opposition and help its fundraising more than the other D candidates.
amk
John Fugelsang
✔
@JohnFugelsang
2003 -if libs warn Iraq invasion will lead to more terror, call them Un-American.
2015 -if Iraq invasion leads to more terror, blame libs.
jl
@p.a.: I don’t keep track. I delete them all first thing every day. Once you give something to anyone, you get on all sorts of political mailing lists, so I say ‘hell with them all, I know how to send them money, when I can and want to’.
redshirt
@p.a.: Who cares? And in fact, I think Hillary is now best prepared to deal with and fight the puke funnel of Republican media.
If O’Malley were to somehow get the nom, this would reassure you, since he doesn’t have the history with the haters?
David Koch
@Anne Laurie: “When Bernie talks revolution, he sounds like Carson talking about the pyramids”
I don’t Sanders is electable, and I find major parts of his campaign to be amateur (guns, BLM, immigration), but it isn’t fair to compare him to Carson’s kooky thoughts in any way.
redshirt
@jl:
This is why everyone needs multiple email addresses. You use some for dedicated purposes – like online commerce, or donating to a political candidate, or replying to a Nigerian prince. Keep a personal email address near and dear and never use it for buying/signing/donating.
Anne Laurie
@David Koch: Retweets do not imply agreement!
Amir Khalid
@p.a.:
Precisely because she is the Democrat’s best chance. You never saw the Republicans feel a need to rally their forces against Larry Lessig.
Betty Cracker
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
That’s an interesting take because everyone else in the picture had a look of great concern — including President Obama — which some might think befits the gravity of the situation. What calls HRC’s temperament in particular into question? The position of her hand?
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: He was wearing chaps?
Elie
Hillary is the Democratic nominee — baring anything unforeseen. She showed tonight she could take a punch (though the republicans will be more vicious) and that she can counter. She seems to be able to handle flack. Bernie did good and O Malley was competent. It feels like another world on this side of the debates. These are people in the real world trying to do real world things. The Republicans are in need of restraints and Thorazine…..
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: @efgoldman: I know its almost midnight, but if you keep this up Cole’s going to have to get a cabaret license for the blog…
Baud
@efgoldman: No comment.
Omnes Omnibus
@Elie:
The Dems are being restrained in the attacks and counters. Against a vicious GOP attack, I would be willing to bet that HRC could wield a pretty sharp dagger.
redshirt
@efgoldman:
Why not go for a full American flag face tattoo. Then who could best your Patriotism?!
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Have you met Sarah P&T?
Baud
@redshirt: There are arguably more patriotic body parts upon which one could place a tattoo, depending on one’s point of view.
Amir Khalid
@Elie:
There are a number of Bernistas among the Juicitariat who might find your comment upsetting.
jl
@efgoldman:
” Not that I could tell, but he was behind a podium. ”
Ha ha. That was no podium (lectern). That’s why Bawdy Bod
Baud won.
Edit: that’ll mean some cross over GOP votes too. They like that kind of display.
redshirt
@Baud:
Hmm. A full ass American flag tattoo, while most of the time hidden, could be used to devastating effect during full Moons.
jl
@Amir Khalid: Berniebot Bernista here (in sense that I threw him some bucks and went to a couple of local meetings). HRC very probably will be the candidate, unless something really unexpected happens with the email garbage non-scandal.
Edit: BTW I read Rand Paul challenged Bernie to a debate. I think he should take it, if it doesn’t take too much time from dealing with more important things (and there are more important things). I would like to see Paul lose a debate. I guess depends on how much free media Sanders can get out of it. I can’t claim to know.
Amir Khalid
@jl:
Not you lah. I’m referring to the kind of Bernista who called me a slaver, and Omnes a Republican lawyer.
gf120581
Just saw that first post debate poll (apparently PPP) had overwhelming numbers saying Hillary won debate. We get more polling like that, I can only imagine how the worst of the Sanders supporters are going to react. More conspiracy theories.
Elie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Me too. She’s got a trick or two. As with most martial arts — using your opponents strength against them and soft power — are very effective — esp against an “inferior” opponent.
That said, there is a smaller and smaller sliver of the populace that can be convinced of anything. Its making sure your group are motivated to turn out and that their votes are accurately counted.
Elie
@Amir Khalid:
sigh….
Some folks are very strange these days….
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Not in person…
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Just make sure you have the flag’s canton facing forward with the stripes appearing to stream out behind it. Don’t want your body part of choice to appear to be retreating!
redshirt
@Amir Khalid:
Do you consider TT a sincere Bernista or a troll? Or if some of both, what percentage of each?
J R in WV
@NotMax:
Shouldn’t that be “Cubehr”?
Bay Staters elide “Rs” that exist, and add “Rs” where there was never one to begin with. I’m not sure how to type that so it sounds right… er, genuinely wrong.
ETA: My first block quote since the update started being implemented! Success!!
jl
@Amir Khalid:
Omnes isn’t a Republican lawyer? WTF?
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: Fuck you. No offense.
Anne Laurie
@J R in WV: The standard exemplar here: Korea (Kareah) is what you do for a living; career (ker-rear) is a country in Asia.
Amir Khalid
@redshirt:
Yes. 100% of both.
redshirt
@Amir Khalid: A sincere troll?
Amir Khalid
@redshirt:
They don’t strike me as mutually exclusive things.
redshirt
@Amir Khalid: Ah. For me they do. A troll is by definition insincere. They will say or do anything to advance whatever cause they are trolling for (which is usually self destruction, little do they know HA HA HA), and your opinions matter in so much only as they can be made to serve the trolling.
As opposed to a zealot. Someone who will say or do anything on behalf of a cause, and do it sincerely. Usually not very fun or funny.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Betty Cracker: Lots of “body language” is mumbo-jumbo, but there is something to it. We talk with our bodies as well as our words. Compare Gates’ and Obama’s body language with Clinton’s. The interpretation is subject to debate, but they’re clearly evaluating and expressing things differently.
What does it mean when someone covers their mouth when they are listening to you speak?:
Maybe my reaction to the picture is colored too much by my upbringing, gender, and other biases. Maybe it’s because I don’t recall ever seeing her show that much (what I perceive to be) emotion before. Whatever the reasons, the contrasts in the picture stuck with me. And I thought bringing it up was a poor answer to the question:
A better example of her facing a crisis might have been responding to the personal tragedy and professional turmoil of Vince Foster’s suicide (though she would have had good reasons for not bringing that up), or her doing damage control after Wikileaks published hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables. The latter was something unexpected, it was something that directly impacted her job and the US, and it was something that she handled very well given the circumstances.
Just my $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
Tom DeVries
@henqiguai: Oh, lord, I have my very self been one of those heads that must keep talking. I’ve been one, I’d say, many times in a long career. Have freaking pity.