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You are here: Home / Pet Blogging / Cat Blogging / Tuesday Morning Open Thread: KITTENS!

Tuesday Morning Open Thread: KITTENS!

by Anne Laurie|  November 17, 20154:46 am| 145 Comments

This post is in: Cat Blogging, Nature & Respite, Open Threads, Pet Rescue

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miri 16 nov whats for dinner

Praise goddess, and more immediately cat-wrangler Marc, for some happy news to start the day:

The red kitten, who I called ‘Rusty’ has gone to his furever home. Ohana will be going home with my sister at Thanksgiving. As for the other three… I had two people (for different reasons) have to back out of taking a kitten, and then two people at work decided that they were no longer interested in getting a kitten. So, after Thanksgiving I’ll have Miri and three kittens. If I keep ’em much longer, I might as well accept this as my ‘crazy cat person’ starter kit. I’ve already named them, so that isn’t much of a leap.

miri 16 nov ohana
Ohana

miri 16 nov tigger
Tigger

They are still growing and learning by leaps and bounds. Tigger is the biggest of the bunch, but Sylk is still the leader when it comes to getting into stuff – she was the escape leader when I had them penned in the bedroom. They seem a little more rough and tumble when they play than when I did the video, plus I don’t have a place to feed Miri, since they are able to get up on the kitchen table where I’d been feeding her. They still sometimes kitten pile when they sleep, but they are getting too big to do it on the pet beds I have. Flynn and Tigger will sometimes sleep on their back, but the girls have yet to do so (at least when I’m around). Once in a while Tigger will sleep in the cat tree with his head over the edge and softly snore – very cute.

miri 16 nov flynn
Flynn

miri 16 nov sylk
Sylk

The only areas still off limits are the Guest Bedroom (trying to keep it cat hair free), and the back patio. I don’t want them getting ideas about the outdoors, since I live next to a very busy street. So far, so good.

miri 16 nov herself

miri 16 nov sylk flynn ohana tigger
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Programming note: Some of the photos are going to show wrong-side-up on some devices… I reoriented the ones that Marc sent me from his cell, and last time I did that for a Garden Chat some people’s high-class iDevices flipped them back the way the machine wanted.

Apart from that much-needed respite, what’s on the agenda for the day?

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  1. 1.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    November 17, 2015 at 5:11 am

    Sweet kitties. That is all.

    Well, I am planning our Xgvs travels, aka What dessert do I bring where?

    Chocolate and cranberry cheesecake for the dinner hosts. Cocoa stout cupcakes for the “second dessert” hosts.

  2. 2.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    November 17, 2015 at 5:15 am

    PS The blue eyes suggest Siamese in the family tree someplace. Very captivating.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 5:17 am

    Feeling just this side of disgusted with the Pants Wetting Party. France has less than half a weeks (I did the math) worth of good old USofA carnage and they are peeing all over themselves.

    On the good side, the wife’s leg was feeling much better last night before bed, tho she woke me up several times during the night with “ouchouchouch” as she tried to roll over (she talks in her sleep) so I expect her to be in increased pain when I wake her up at 5. It probably is just a deep bone bruise, but she is still going to see her orthopedist today, just to be on the safe side.

  4. 4.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 5:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Bad phrasing up above, the “they” I am referring to is our own Republicans.

  5. 5.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 5:23 am

    Russia’s FSB:

    “According to an analysis by our specialists, a homemade bomb containing up to 1 kilogramme of TNT detonated during the flight, causing the plane to break up in mid-air, which explains why parts of the fuselage were spread over such a large distance,” said Bortnikov. “We can unequivocally say it was a terrorist act,”

  6. 6.

    raven

    November 17, 2015 at 5:37 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: What happened to her leg?

  7. 7.

    mclaren

    November 17, 2015 at 5:41 am

    Here’s a cute vid of a hyper dachshund getting calmed down by a cool kitty.

    After the Paris attacks, we could all use some calming down.

  8. 8.

    Betty Cracker

    November 17, 2015 at 5:42 am

    The two on the left in the bottom photo definitely look part Siamese. Every Siamese cat I’ve known has an unusual voice. I wonder if these kittens inherited that Siamese trait.

  9. 9.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 5:42 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I suspect Cthulhu or the hand of Ming.

  10. 10.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 5:49 am

    @raven: She took a fall the night before last (I was outside so I didn’t see what happened) She thought she might have rebroken the fibula that she broke about 10 yrs ago (felt the same, same location) When she woke up yester morn she could hardly move it and was in tears the pain was so bad. Thought I was in for an ER morning. But after her shower (I had to help her in and out) and getting dressed it felt better and she decided to go to work anyway. Than by the time she made her lunch and headed out the door she was walking with a limp but not in need of her crutches at all.

    Took me a half hour to dig them out of the loft in the shop-whine-.

  11. 11.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 5:50 am

    After refreshing anyone else getting a very long load indicator after messages seem done?

  12. 12.

    Marc

    November 17, 2015 at 5:51 am

    @Betty Cracker: Miri has a soft ‘meow’, and all the kittens have inherited it. The only loud meow came from Rusty when he was leaving in the pet carrier – but his new home has two other kitties and a dog, so he isn’t lonely.

  13. 13.

    Mustang Bobby

    November 17, 2015 at 5:52 am

    Thank you for the kitten pictures; they are much needed after the past four days of carnage and uncontrolled bladders.

    I wish I could adopt a cat but alas, the rental agreement on the house exacts a huge security deposit and I have furniture that has “scratching post” written all over it. I enjoy seeing pictures and videos and playing with the cats who own my friends, but that’s it; I have to settle for my 53-year-old Stieff kitten Snowball. Feed him a little cotton and he’s a friend for life.

  14. 14.

    raven

    November 17, 2015 at 5:53 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Oh man, so sorry for her! About 5 years ago my bride tripped getting out of the van and broke hers. We were two hours from home and she was hurtin but we made it back and got her treated here. She’s never had to depend on someone else to drive and that was an illuminating 6 weeks! Glad she’s ok.

  15. 15.

    Betty Cracker

    November 17, 2015 at 6:06 am

    @Marc: Glad you found a good home for him!

  16. 16.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:07 am

    @raven: My cocker hurt her leg this evening while trying to jump on the bed. I feel a bit guilty because she tried to jump up once and didn’t make it and I encouraged her to try again and she landed on her back leg wrong. She doesn’t seem in any pain but isn’t a happy pup.

  17. 17.

    Tommy

    November 17, 2015 at 6:11 am

    Speaking of cats, well two points. Love the three cats that crashed the G20 summit Second, been up for almost an hour and not seen my cat yet. Weird/rare. By this time she’d usually be nudging me so hard in my leg with her head she is about to spin me around in my office chair. Just her way of saying, “dude, I need some wet cat food over here!”

    OK off to watch AMC’s new show, Into the Badlands before starting a day of planning for a new project, which my somewhat OCD seem finds one of the most enjoyable parts of a job. Just wonder of Badlands is as good as all the hype after the first show seems to indicate it is.

  18. 18.

    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 6:12 am

    Watching msnbc now and as I expected Joe is just trashing Obama for being annoyed and not freaking out like he and the other pants peeing Republicans are.

  19. 19.

    raven

    November 17, 2015 at 6:14 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Lil Bit is recovering well from her CCL surgery but jumping is dos def out. It’s a bitch keeping track of her and she’s spending a good bit of time in her kennel or even on a leash in the kitchen.

  20. 20.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:14 am

    @bemused: Joe seems to think Paris, France is a city in the US.

    ETA: STFU DiFi.

  21. 21.

    Satby

    November 17, 2015 at 6:18 am

    @ Marc, yes, keeping the ones who don’t get adopted is how I ultimately ended up with 12 rescues, because after several months everyone has bonded. As long as they all get spayed /neutered, you should be fine. But get that done soon, because they don’t have incest taboos once the mating hormones hit.

  22. 22.

    Satby

    November 17, 2015 at 6:20 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I wondered how she was, glad to hear it wasn’t broken!

  23. 23.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:20 am

    CLICK, can’t take any more of the pants pissing brigade.

  24. 24.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 6:20 am

    National GOP poll – UMass

    Trump………….31%
    Carson…………22%
    Cruz…………….13%
    Rubio…………….9%
    Fiorina………….4%
    ¿Jeb?………….. 3% ◄

    Can any stop the ¿Rubiomentum?

  25. 25.

    Mustang Bobby

    November 17, 2015 at 6:21 am

    @bemused: And if Obama did get the vapors over Paris, all the Republicans would be telling him to man up and stop being such a weinie.

  26. 26.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 6:22 am

    After refreshing, anyone else having a load signal continue long after the messages appear?

  27. 27.

    raven

    November 17, 2015 at 6:24 am

    OK Gene, explains YOUR bitching about Obama’s TONE.

    eta, Oh, what he said was correct, we just don’t like how it was said.

  28. 28.

    Tommy

    November 17, 2015 at 6:24 am

    @bemused:
    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I saw a graphic somebody had put together on Facebook yesterday. It said:

    If only we had a seasonally appropriate story about a middle eastern family seeking refuge being turned away by the heartless.

    I hardly ever go to Facebook, but I have a distant cousin that kind of lives in the middle of nowhere, on the top of a mountain in Calfornia, and she just lost her husband and is estranged from her kids. My parents worry about her and since she spent a week at my folks house this summer, first they had seen her in 30+ years, they asked me to reach out to her. She is a raging liberal like myself, so I guess parents thought we’d have common ground to start with :).

    So went to track her down on Facebook, she is an active user. I have to admit all the posts in support of both France but even more posts about the fact we SHOULD accept as many Syrians as possible, well that warmed by heart.

    Might be about the first time I can recall saying that about Facebook!

  29. 29.

    Anne Laurie

    November 17, 2015 at 6:24 am

    @Marc: Yeah, I think there’s quite a bit of Siamese (well, “oriental type”) in those kittens, even more than their mom! One thing to keep in mind: Meezers and part-Meezers are notorious for “coming into heat” (sexually maturity) at a ridiculously young age. If your vet hasn’t already warned you to get them fixed as soon as possible, be sure you take up the question with him. (I’m sure Miri’s already on the schedule for her ‘fix’, now that she’s no longer a nursing mum… )

    Our vets neuter male kittens as soon as they weigh three pounds — the little guy we adopted after he accosted a Balloon-Juice commentor and her dog on the street probably wasn’t three months old when he had The Operation. It didn’t slow him down much; two years later, he’s a fine 15lb figure of a cat.

  30. 30.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 6:25 am

    @David Koch:

    Totaling up the percentages, “None of the Above” appears to be in third place.

  31. 31.

    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 6:25 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Gawd, only 15 minutes into show and it’s nothing but a howling tantrum fest. Obama is “emotionally disconnected” instead of running in circles, sobbing and screaming like Republicans are. I can’t even…

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 6:25 am

    @raven: My wife was a real pain in the rear the first time she broke it too, starting with insisting for 3 days that “It is NOT broken!”

  33. 33.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:26 am

    @Gimlet: I did for one refresh, but it seems ok now.

  34. 34.

    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 6:27 am

    @Mustang Bobby:

    Absolutely. I’m amazed Obama is as patient as he is with these spoiled brat toddlers.

  35. 35.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:29 am

    @bemused: He gave a message of condolence and support on Friday. I’ll admit, I’ve been pretty disconnected from some of the comments over the weekend since I was busy setting up my new PC, so I might have missed some things.

  36. 36.

    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 6:29 am

    @David Koch:

    Looks like Cruzmemtum is real. Maybe he can pull this off.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 6:31 am

    What is Tim Ryan at MoJo smoking?

    The second Democratic presidential debate of the 2016 race had one clear winner—the moderator, John Dickerson. The longtime Slate political correspondent—who co-hosts the Political Gabfest podcast and recently took over as host of Face the Nation on CBS—was “the only star of the show” (The Daily Beast), and won plaudits for his “ferret-like journalistic questioning” (Politico) without making the show about himself.

    But Dickerson’s pointed queries and tough follow-ups should come as no surprise. John Dickerson is a political junkie’s political junkie. He brings that same curiosity and attention to detail to yet another podcast: Whistlestop. This weekly gem is his obsessively researched dive into the dramas of campaigns past—forgotten and otherwise. Whether the subject is George Romney’s last campaign, Grover Cleveland’s love child, or the historical precedent for Donald Trump, the man has got you covered.

  38. 38.

    Mustang Bobby

    November 17, 2015 at 6:34 am

    @Baud: Okay, I’m stumped as to what “ferret-like journalistic questioning” amounts to. Does it chatter and climb up your leg?

  39. 39.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:37 am

    @Mustang Bobby: I guess that was the tingle that Tweety was feeling on his leg.

  40. 40.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 6:37 am

    So yesterday they were whining that Obama wasn’t “engaged”. Today they’re whining his “tone” is too strong.

    same ole. same ole.

  41. 41.

    Betty Cracker

    November 17, 2015 at 6:37 am

    @Mustang Bobby: It hides your socks under the dresser?

  42. 42.

    Satby

    November 17, 2015 at 6:45 am

    On the agenda today: updating pictures in my Etsy store and applying to every open job I can reasonably fit. Got the news yesterday that I am being laid off from my part time job due to lack of clients. Which wasn’t completely unexpected, as I only have one active now. But I was already stretched thin by taking my exchange students (and if I hadn’t, they would not have been placed at all this year, so I don’t regret it).
    Hoping to land a seasonal job by the end of this week at least, then I can keep looking for a permanent one.

  43. 43.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:47 am

    Snow!!!

  44. 44.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 6:50 am

    “For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

    “Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

    Jesus of Nazareth

    “I don’t think orphans under five are being––you know, you should be admitted into the United States at this point. They have no family in the U.S. and it would raise the issue of how are we going to care for these folks.”

    Christie of Jersey

  45. 45.

    Tommy

    November 17, 2015 at 6:53 am

    @David Koch: I saw those sets of quotes yesterday. The first one is spot on to say the least. Oh and Christie is a member of the “pro-life” party, so why don’t we turn away orphans/young children in need. That just makes total sense (clearly it doesn’t!).

  46. 46.

    Mustang Bobby

    November 17, 2015 at 6:53 am

    @David Koch: It would be really easy to make a snarky comment about how Gov. Christie himself could feed a family of four from his breakfast leftovers, but that would be childish and rude so I won’t do it.

  47. 47.

    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 6:53 am

    @Tommy:

    At least Joe paused his Obama rant to say governors have no authority to reject refuges.

    The Republican governors freaking out about Syrian refuges should have to explain why they haven’t had their panties in a twist over all the refuges that have settled in their states in just the last few years. I think it was Wapo that has maps of states and refuge numbers, iirc.

    “No room at the inn” is a great line to describe the anti-refuge attitude. Then there is the quote on the Statue of Liberty, “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free”. It’s not surprising they don’t want to extend a hand to refuges when they don’t give a rat’s ass about home grown poor, tired, huddled americans.

  48. 48.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 6:55 am

    @Satby: Damn, woman…

    Gloom despair agony on me
    Deep dark depression excessive misery
    If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all
    Gloom despair agony on me

  49. 49.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 6:55 am

    @bemused:

    Moochers!!1!!

  50. 50.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 17, 2015 at 6:57 am

    @bemused: The Statue of Liberty is actually in New Jersey.

  51. 51.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 6:57 am

    Katy Tur ‏@KatyTurNBC 12h12 hours ago

    At Trump rally, 1st a Christian prayer then volunteer intros,”I like Trump bc he’s gonna send those Syrians home”, then star spangled banner

    36 retweets 35 likes

    See. They never cared about Christianity. It was just a ruse to dress up their various bigotries (ie “I don’t hate gays, it’s just that the bible says they’re wrong.”)

  52. 52.

    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 6:58 am

    @Gimlet:

    As opposed to hard working Republicans who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps with not a lick of help whatsoever!

  53. 53.

    rikyrah

    November 17, 2015 at 7:00 am

    Good Morning, Everyone:)

  54. 54.

    Tommy

    November 17, 2015 at 7:01 am

    @bemused: Well I saw another good point on this I had not thought about yesterday, but stupid simple once you hear it. Many of the clowns running for POTUS say we should take in Christians, but not Muslims. OK first off I just have to say fuck them for even thinking this, much less saying it out loud!

    But how do they think we can successfully vet the Syrians to ensure they are Christians, but we can’t vet them to ensure they are not terrorist? Their logic doesn’t compute on so many different levels. But I guess that isn’t nothing new to say the least.

  55. 55.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 7:07 am

    Vox ‏@voxdotcom 22h22 hours ago

    The unemployment rate doubled under Bush. It’s fallen by more than one-third under Obama.

    188 retweets 129 likes

    Path2Enlightenment ‏@Path2Enlighten 22h22 hours ago

    The only jobs George Bush created was ISIS.

    41 retweets 37 likes

    ?

  56. 56.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 7:10 am

    –

  57. 57.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 7:14 am

    The Hill @thehill

    JUST IN: Cruz to introduce bill banning Muslim Syrian refugees from entering the US

    Christopher Hayes@chrislhayes

    Maybe we can have them wear some item on their clothing so we can more easily tell them apart.

    Retweets 2,022 Likes 1,521

    3:59 PM – 16 Nov 2015

  58. 58.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 7:15 am

    Emily L. Hauser ‏@emilylhauser 12h12 hours ago

    As a Jew, this whole “let’s identify the people who believe the wrong stuff about God & keep they out” hits a little close to home.

    64 retweets 52 likes

  59. 59.

    Cervantes

    November 17, 2015 at 7:18 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    It’s surrounded by New Jersey (water) but administratively it’s part of Manhattan.

  60. 60.

    Kay

    November 17, 2015 at 7:19 am

    Refugee resettlement coordinators in Ohio say they are continuing their work despite Monday’s barrage of announcements from governors, including Ohio’s John Kasich and Michigan’s Rick Snyder, who expressed concerns or outright called for an end to Syrian refugee arrivals in their states after Friday’s terrorist attacks in Paris.
    Staffers at US Together, Toledo’s only refugee resettlement agency, are going ahead with plans as Syrian families continue to arrive in Toledo. Toledo resettlement coordinator Corine Dehabey said November has been the busiest month for the agency. She is expecting another Syrian family to arrive Friday.

    You have to admire just ignoring their bullshit and carrying on. I don’t even know if a ban is enforceable by a governor and if it is the governors should have to show where they’re deriving their authority to do this.

    Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2015/11/17/Kasich-other-governors-say-no-more-Syrian-refugees.html#M4tq3jdjXlc078zu.99

  61. 61.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 7:19 am

    @Tommy:

    Secret handshake and holy water that sizzles on contact with an infidel.

  62. 62.

    Kay

    November 17, 2015 at 7:23 am

    Oh, okay so they have no actual authority to enact this:

    Experts say that while the states may not have the legal authority to block their borders, state agencies have authority to make the process of accepting refugees much more difficult.
    “When push comes to shove, the federal government has both the plenary power and the power of the 1980 Refugee Act to place refugees anywhere in the country,” said Kevin Appleby, the director of migration policy at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the largest refugee resettlement organization in the country.

    But we’ll all pretend they do, so we don’t hurt their feelings.

  63. 63.

    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 7:23 am

    @Kay:

    You have to admire just ignoring their bullshit and carrying on.

    That’s how most of us get through our work day.

  64. 64.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 7:23 am

    @Kay: I have read in a couple of places that governors have no say in immigration.

  65. 65.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 7:24 am

    Michael Grunwald ‏@MikeGrunwald 14h14 hours ago

    Unemployment at 5%, Obama approval rating at 51%, Dems still won’t take on narrative that America is a dumpster fire.

    28 retweets 31 likes

  66. 66.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 7:26 am

    Apropos of nothing, the Euro is down to 1.0667 dollars. That should make travel to Florida, Texas or some other foreign country significantly cheaper for the near future.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 7:26 am

    @David Koch:

    Dems still won’t take on narrative that America is a dumpster fire.

    Nor do liberals. Glass houses, you know.

  68. 68.

    Tommy

    November 17, 2015 at 7:26 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: ThinkProgess have a very, very detailed overview about why governors have no say, including all the related court cases. Worth a read:

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/16/3722628/no-state-governors-cant-refuse-to-accept-syrian-refugees/

    The main takeaway is the last graph:

    To be clear, states still retain the power to deny their own resources to the federal government, so they could potentially make settlement of refugees more difficult than it would be if the states cooperated. Nevertheless, an act of Congress — the Refugee Act of 1980 — has given Obama broad discretion to allow refugees to be admitted into the United States. The states of Texas, Louisiana and others must yield to that act.

  69. 69.

    Germy

    November 17, 2015 at 7:28 am

    My favorite cat this week

  70. 70.

    Germy

    November 17, 2015 at 7:31 am

    The GOPers will threaten to shut down the government over the refuge issue.

    how will the scaremongering affect the 2016 election?

  71. 71.

    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 7:37 am

    What strikes me the most about the refugee “debate” and similar debates we have centered on compassion and empathy is how few strong religious figures there are on the left. Real change from my childhood.

  72. 72.

    David Koch

    November 17, 2015 at 7:38 am

    Steve Benen ‏@stevebenen 18h18 hours ago

    Obama showed some real leadership today. Lesser pres might’ve chosen easy way out

    49 retweets 55 likes

    Jonathan Allen ‏@jonallendc 21h21 hours ago

    Obama delivering a powerful defense of American concepts of religious protection.

    17 retweets 19 likes

    Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza 17h17 hours ago

    Obama’s full remarks today are worth reading. No Dem or GOP candidate has come close to grappling w/complexities of fighting ISIS as he did.

    270 retweets 282 likes

    Matt Apuzzo ‏@mattapuzzo 21h21 hours ago

    This is the most I’ve ever heard Obama sound like the career national security professionals my colleagues, competitors and I talk to daily.

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    Sahil Kapur ‏@sahilkapur 21h21 hours ago

    Obama is again expressing his contempt for instinctive militarism and bravado.

    68 retweets 62 likes

    LOLGOP ‏@LOLGOP 16h16 hours ago

    We have nothing to fear but those who mistake fear for strength.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    November 17, 2015 at 7:38 am

    A friend of mine fostered a litter of kittens, and when they were old enough, they spent Saturdays on display at PetSmart, waiting to be adopted. An organization sponsored it all and vetted the families. Maybe Marc’s kittens can do that, because four cats is a lot. In some places, it’s not even legal to have that many.

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    Kay

    November 17, 2015 at 7:38 am

    @Baud:

    I’m sure Mike Huckabee has a full calendar of tv appearances today where he can tell us how afraid we all are. He’s like a caricature of smarmy, grifting, conniving “preacher”- he could play that role in a movie without changing a thing.

  75. 75.

    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 7:41 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    If he dyes all fur the same color say black, when the neighbors see it in the window, they will think he only has one cat.

  76. 76.

    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 7:42 am

    @Kay:

    Remember after 9-11, the first people Fallwell and Robertson blamed were American liberals. It’s the same playbook — use fear to rally people against their domestic adversaries.

  77. 77.

    Kay

    November 17, 2015 at 7:44 am

    @Baud:

    how few strong religious figures there are on the left. Real change from my childhood.

    I think they’re at a genuine disadvantage because of the compassion and empathy. We had a Lefty religious as a congressional candidate a couple of cycles ago and she was incapable of black and white demonizing and therefore countering Righty religious people. Maybe it’s self-selecting like that. She would have had to turn into a completely different person.

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    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 7:46 am

    @Tommy:

    If there was actually a religion test for immigrants, must be Christian, I imagine there would be endless arguments among the different Christian churches about which brand of Christianity the test would be based on.

  79. 79.

    SteveinSC

    November 17, 2015 at 7:46 am

    @bemused: While MSNBC is running around with their hair on fire and Mika is clutching her pearls, there is news in France that Assad may be on his way out in a “political transition.”: http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/kerry-la-syrie-peut-etre-a-quelques-semaines-d-une-transition-politique-17-11-2015-1982312_24.php

    But hey, why should a few facts interfere with MSNBC”s new found Fox-Lite format and GOP memes?

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    Betty Cracker

    November 17, 2015 at 7:46 am

    @Baud: I’m trying to think of a strong religious leader on the left (someone with significant stature in the US). Seems like most of them have been dead for decades. Unless you count Pope Frankie, and that would be debatable on many points.

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    Kay

    November 17, 2015 at 7:48 am

    @Baud:

    It sounds like chaos and freaking out to me- not “strong” but weak and shallow- so hopefully it will sound like that to the general public. We sometimes over-estimate their political genius. They hit with one of these bullshit campaigns about 50% of the time- I don’t think it’s any better than “random”.

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    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 7:48 am

    @David Koch:

    Huh, Morning Joe read a whole list of quite different opinions on Obama, Krauthammer, etc, oddly, not one of these.

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    debbie

    November 17, 2015 at 7:49 am

    @bemused:

    The Republican governors freaking out about Syrian refuges should have to explain why they haven’t had their panties in a twist over all the refuges that have settled in their states in just the last few years.

    There have been more than a few protests voiced in Ohio about Somali refugees, even before 9/11.

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    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 7:49 am

    @Kay:

    I view it as structural. Compassionate lefty religious figures were a product of a white working class culture that used to be more economically liberal but since Reagan is now largely conservative. When you have a smaller point to draw from, you have fewer people who can excel.

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    debbie

    November 17, 2015 at 7:51 am

    @Kay:

    Someone needs to ask Kasich if it’s his good, compassionate Christian heart telling him not to accept any refugees.

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    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 7:51 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    Nostalgia is a dangerous thing. I’m not talking about a single figure, but simply more lefty religious voices in the conversation. But I could easily be misremembering.

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    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 7:52 am

    @debbie:

    I didn’t know that but did the criticisms come from governors and legislators?

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    MattF

    November 17, 2015 at 7:52 am

    @David Koch: Oh, well… what’s the point of compassion, anyhow? Why give away anything to losers? Where’s the benefit to me?

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    Matt McIrvin

    November 17, 2015 at 7:53 am

    @David Koch: I think part of the problem is that, with inequality still terrible, Republicans in Congress and the states doing their worst to prevent improvement, and lots of people still long-term unemployed or otherwise hurting even under a conventionally “good” economy, it’s difficult for liberals to say that good times are here: it’s contrary to our basic message.

    If Republicans were in charge of everything, they’d have no trouble taking credit. The people who matter to them are doing fine. But since there’s a Democratic President, they can simply ignore that and insist that the recovery is a hoax, and we can’t really hit back.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    November 17, 2015 at 7:53 am

    @Betty Cracker: Isn’t there a Sister Simone something who works with liberal causes? Of course, since we’re talking Catholic church, she’s not in a leadership position.

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    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 7:55 am

    @Kay:

    It sounds like chaos and freaking out to me- not “strong” but weak and shallow- so hopefully it will sound like that to the general public.

    Me too, and I hope so too.

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    SteveinSC

    November 17, 2015 at 7:56 am

    Why the fuck is my comment awaiting Moderation?

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    debbie

    November 17, 2015 at 7:56 am

    @MattF:

    I think mostly legislators. Governors prior to Kasich were Democrats or RINOs.

    ETA: But plenty of citizens have expressed uneasiness all along.

  94. 94.

    MattF

    November 17, 2015 at 7:56 am

    @Betty Cracker: There’s certainly a bunch of liberal theologians in Europe. And in the US, I’d count Gary Wills and Karen Armstrong as liberal public intellectuals with a major religious thread in their thinking.

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    debbie

    November 17, 2015 at 7:58 am

    On a cheerier note, Obama’s gotten under McCain’s skin again. He’s objecting to the president’s statement about people “popping off” about what should be done about Syria. It was amusing listening to McCain do his own self-righteous popping off on NPR earlier this morning.

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    Matt McIrvin

    November 17, 2015 at 8:01 am

    @Betty Cracker: Partly that’s a matter of evolving standards. During the era when there were major religious left figures, positions that are now ordinary and centrist on, say, gay rights were completely off the crazy radical end of the political spectrum.

    Pope Frankie would have been considered unambiguously leftist 50 years ago (when the center on economic/distributional issues was actually left of where it is today). He’s right-wing on all the sex-related controversies, but in a standard Catholic way that used to be pretty much the norm.

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    Gin & Tonic

    November 17, 2015 at 8:04 am

    @bemused: Here’s what you want.

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    Baud

    November 17, 2015 at 8:05 am

    @debbie: That is good news.

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    Satby

    November 17, 2015 at 8:08 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yeah. But you know, it could always be worse. I’m not a Syrian refugee, for instance.
    It’s tough, but this too shall pass.

  100. 100.

    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 8:09 am

    Gov Mark Dayton “has opened Minnesota’s arms fully to Syrian refuges” having been assured by WH all refuges subject to highest level of security checks.

    Not so fast said Republican House Speaker Daudt who wants Dayton to call on President Obama to halt Syrian refuges until Homeland Security completes a full review of security procedures and clearances.

    One thing I am sure of is that no amount of full reviews of security would pass the pant wetter’s test.

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    Matt McIrvin

    November 17, 2015 at 8:11 am

    @Kay:

    It sounds like chaos and freaking out to me- not “strong” but weak and shallow- so hopefully it will sound like that to the general public.

    My instinct is always, always to assume that these appeals will hit. I think it’s because, while my parents are pretty liberal, I grew up in the age of Reagan in a conservative neighborhood and went to a pretty right-wing college (it still is: I just saw an article using the place as an example of how few people notice when “PC” hysteria happens on the right). I’ve been seeing old college friends on Facebook expressing happiness that their governor is keeping the terrorist refugees out.

    So I instinctively think of liberalism as an embattled set of attitudes that only I and a few weird friends and family members hold, and the social norm as super-conservative.

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    bemused

    November 17, 2015 at 8:12 am

    @Gin & Tonic:

    That has to be my favorite religion joke. Truth too.

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    Gimlet

    November 17, 2015 at 8:13 am

    Not necessarily on topic, but worth a look (Editorial Cartoon Strip)

    http://assets.amuniversal.com/bc5a00206ec901331d01005056a9545d

  104. 104.

    Satby

    November 17, 2015 at 8:13 am

    @Betty Cracker: Oddly, the Dalai Lama has cross appeal to both the conservatives and the liberals on my FB feed. Maybe he’ll say something soon about the refugees, after all, he was one himself.

  105. 105.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 8:17 am

    @Satby: “It always rains before there is a rainbow.”

    “It has been written that trouble came to pass, but no where has it been written that trouble came to stay.”

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    ET

    November 17, 2015 at 8:19 am

    For some reason that picture at the fridge is making me laugh.

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    Satby

    November 17, 2015 at 8:19 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: aww thanks!

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    debbie

    November 17, 2015 at 8:22 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Glad the wife’s leg is better and that she’s going to the orthopedist. Has icing helped at all?

  109. 109.

    Suezboo

    November 17, 2015 at 8:23 am

    @Tommy:
    Tommy, please fix spelling righthand column. “Donate” not “Dontate”. Thank you – it’s driving me crazy.

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    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 17, 2015 at 8:25 am

    @SteveinSC:

    FYWP doesn’t like “naked” hyperlinks right now. Hopefully a temporary situation.

  111. 111.

    OzarkHillbilly

    November 17, 2015 at 8:29 am

    @debbie: We only put ice on it immediately after, the next morning was just getting her out the door, and when she got home the 24 hr window was over. Not about to put any heat on a bruise.

  112. 112.

    debbie

    November 17, 2015 at 8:31 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    They say once 24 hours has passed, it doesn’t matter whether heat or ice is used. But since you’re not sure what the injury even is, you’re wise not to try heat.

    ET: I’m sure you know this, but I was told that after 24 hours, it’s whichever best eases the aching.

  113. 113.

    Cervantes

    November 17, 2015 at 8:36 am

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’m trying to think of a strong religious leader on the left (someone with significant stature in the US).

    Desmond Tutu?

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    JPL

    November 17, 2015 at 8:36 am

    @ET: That one made me laugh also. The cats have certainly taken over.

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    Satby

    November 17, 2015 at 8:51 am

    @ET: @JPL: That was my favorite picture too. Typical kittens. When we fostered litters like that the kids complained that they had to shuffle everywhere, because the kittens always wanted to surround you and see every little thing that you did.

  116. 116.

    Suezboo

    November 17, 2015 at 8:51 am

    @Cervantes:
    Hey, the Arch (Tutu) is one of our Good Ones. Get your own. Aren’t Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson etc all Revs? Or don’t they count because they are all up in the politix nowadays? Louis Farrakhan ?

  117. 117.

    SteveinSC

    November 17, 2015 at 8:53 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): O.K. I’ll just yank a chunk of text out next time.

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    PurpleGirl

    November 17, 2015 at 8:54 am

    @Anne Laurie: Some rescue/shelter groups have kittens spayed/neutered at 8 weeks and 2 lbs. That age and weight doesn’t seem to create problems and the kittens are safe around each other.

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    Suezboo

    November 17, 2015 at 8:55 am

    But I agree only The Arch, Dalai Lama and the Pope have worldwide morality cred.

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    sharl

    November 17, 2015 at 8:56 am

    Regarding the rightward shift of Christianity in the U.S. over the years, I wonder if there was a latent rightward movement just waiting to happen within most churches and specific sects, which was ultimately triggered by various external events.

    There have been various initiatives to help encourage that rightward movement. Kevin Kruse (historian IIRC) has written about the U.S. business community co-opting churches starting in the 30s or so, in order to fight against New Deal regulations. There is something called the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD) that encourages “conservative Christianity”. Left-oriented Christian opponents to the worst of the Dubya era brought that to my intention as a surfed the intertoobz back in those dark days. And of course Fred Clark (The Slacktivist) has been shining a light on the hypocrisy and casual cruelty in much of right-wing Christianity for years.

  121. 121.

    rikyrah

    November 17, 2015 at 8:57 am

    This is ridiculous! She is a THIEF!

    She should not anything!

    WTF?

    …………….

    Byrd-Bennett entitled to at least $140K in public pensions; cost CPS $900K

    WRITTEN BY LAUREN FITZPATRICK
    POSTED: 11/15/2015, 02:06PM

    Chicago taxpayers paid almost $900,000 for three and a half years’ work by disgraced former Chicago Public Schools CEO Barbara Byrd-Bennett.

    And though she’s a felon since pleading guilty in a contract rigging scheme at CPS, she still stands to cost taxpayers in districts that employed her more than $140,000 in annual public pensions.

    Byrd-Bennett’s decades-long education career effectively ended in Chicago in April after federal subpoenas looking into her and a $20.5 million no-bid deal she gave a former employer, The SUPES Academy, became public. She resigned June 1, was indicted in October and pleaded guilty to a single count of wire fraud within a week of being charged. She faces prison time and has vowed to cooperate in the ongoing investigation

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1099692/byrd-bennett-public-pensions

  122. 122.

    PurpleGirl

    November 17, 2015 at 8:59 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I spent the weekend visiting the cat/kitten rescuer I know in NE CT. She doesn’t have her TV hooked up yet and I didn’t bring my netbook, so I was pretty much cut off from the news.

    There was a party (on line) for opening the gifts Cassie got for the new house (the Kitten Kastle). I was surrounded for the weekend by older cat and only one litter of kittens. But oh are those kittens something else. Only 5 weeks old and racing around and walking through the fence of their pen. Two kept climbing my leg. Two of the older cats still in Cassie’s care kept me company overnight.

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    Cervantes

    November 17, 2015 at 9:10 am

    @Suezboo:

    Yes, for one thing, Sharpton, Jackson, and Farrakhan are not seen by a majority as primarily religious figures.

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    danielx

    November 17, 2015 at 9:13 am

    From that noted humanitarian Hermann Goering…..

    “Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

    There truly is nothing new under the sun, politically speaking.

  125. 125.

    danielx

    November 17, 2015 at 9:15 am

    Also, too, thanks to Marc for the kitten pics; I’ve been going through withdrawals. Badly needed these days.

  126. 126.

    PurpleGirl

    November 17, 2015 at 9:16 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: The rescuer I know brings various kittens and cats to a local PetCo on the weekends. She shows them on-line at a couple of pet adoption sites. I know in Manhattan there are several PetCo stores and each one has a deal with a rescue operation to feature cats and kittens.

  127. 127.

    Just One More Canuck

    November 17, 2015 at 9:24 am

    @ThresherK (GPad): you send them to a suburb of Toronto

  128. 128.

    Cervantes

    November 17, 2015 at 9:26 am

    @danielx:

    In the same vein, here’s old friend Nicky Machiavelli:

    Each battle you win outweighs many bad deeds you have committed or plan to commit.

  129. 129.

    danielx

    November 17, 2015 at 9:39 am

    @Cervantes:

    A secret Jesuit, no doubt.

  130. 130.

    danielx

    November 17, 2015 at 9:41 am

    Have there been any reported sightings of Lindsay Graham wearing pee stained trousers? Just curious…

  131. 131.

    Cervantes

    November 17, 2015 at 9:49 am

    @danielx:

    Very secret.

    He was dead before (other) Jesuits existed!

  132. 132.

    rikyrah

    November 17, 2015 at 9:51 am

    Shadi Hamid
    ‏@shadihamid
    I’ve been critical of Obama, but there’s something to be said for having a president who’s, well, not a bigot.

  133. 133.

    TaMara (BHF)

    November 17, 2015 at 9:52 am

    Great way start the mornin’. And nothing wrong with 4 cats, as long as you scoop that litter (and I recommend high quality corn litter to eliminate smell) every morning, no one will be the wiser.

    Enjoy your clowder.

  134. 134.

    Betty Cracker

    November 17, 2015 at 10:09 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Ah, that reminds me — Sister Prejean. She’s a moral leader at any rate.

    @Cervantes: I’m ashamed to admit I thought he was dead!

  135. 135.

    rikyrah

    November 17, 2015 at 10:13 am

    @Tommy:

    Speaking of cats, well two points. Love the three cats that crashed the G20 summit

    that was too funny.

  136. 136.

    Just One More Canuck

    November 17, 2015 at 10:31 am

    @Tommy: My wife and I both woke up about 530 this morning to the sound of our cat throwing up – we haven’t found where she left this little present

    I know you’ve received a lot of grief over the changes, but thank you for all your work

  137. 137.

    Suezboo

    November 17, 2015 at 11:27 am

    Why is nobody beating the drum for Jimmy Carter as an OK Christian-type public figure? I,a furriner, think he has cred.

  138. 138.

    Diana

    November 17, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    sorry I come late to this thread and apologies if this has been suggested before, but can you persuade those few who are taking kittens off your hands to take two? that way they get to stay with a sibling and you wind up with fewer cats.

    But thanks for the update. Some of us were wondering how Miri was getting along.

  139. 139.

    Elizabelle

    November 17, 2015 at 12:17 pm

    The only areas still off limits are the Guest Bedroom … and the back patio. I don’t want them getting ideas about the outdoors, since I live next to a very busy street. So far, so good.

    Can a catio be far behind?

    Lovely kits, Marc. Enjoy. Hope you find some more forever homes.

  140. 140.

    Mnemosyne (iPhone)

    November 17, 2015 at 1:25 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I think Matt McIrvin is right — the Catholic Church used to take the “lefty” side when it came to poverty and refugees (I’m thinking of the Sanctuary movement of the 1980s), but between changing social mores about homosexuality, the child molestation scandals, and the swing to the right by US bishops during the JPII years, they squandered that moral authority. Unfortunately, there hasn’t been another organization that’s been able to fill that empty space. You Protestants are just too damn disorganized.
    ;-)

    Also, if we’re making a list of The Good Guys, we need to add Fr. Greg Boyle (SJ, of course) to the list. He’s the guy who started Homeboy Industries here in Los Angeles, which helps gang members escape that life and get the counseling and job training they need to get a fresh start.

  141. 141.

    Matt McIrvin

    November 17, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): Some of the old mainline Protestant churches did/do as well, but their influence has declined as people deserted them either for non-religion or for right-wing evangelicalism.

  142. 142.

    Shana

    November 17, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    OT, but I haven’t had a new post show up on my MacBook since John’s I’m Back post on the 15th. Any idea what’s going on and how to fix it?

  143. 143.

    kc

    November 17, 2015 at 5:45 pm

    They are adorable! Thanks for the pics.

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    Steeplejack

    November 17, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    @Shana:

    I’m late to the thread, but, in case you come back, have you tried pressing your browser refresh button to explicitly make the front page get updated? That works on my Android cell phone.

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