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Jessica Jones Open Thread

by John Cole|  November 21, 201512:24 am| 59 Comments

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I’m trying to watch, but Steve isn’t playing along:

steve

I get to see about 30% of the tv, which is sort of enough, I guess. Thurston also has this amazing superpower of being able to step on the remote no matter where I put it. It’s uncanny.

Some pretty funny lines so far-

“You use sarcasm to push people away.”

“Then why are you still here?”

And

“I’ll take that as a compliment.”

“You must have misheard me.”

I also wish more women would wear the style of jeans she is wearing.

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  1. 1.

    gwangung

    November 21, 2015 at 12:43 am

    I haven’t seen much of David Tennant….but he’s CREEEEEPY.

    ETA; Seems like I have a thing for intelligent, attractive female characters who are emotionally distant…and are prone to fits of awesome violence.

    (Why, yes, I do like Agent Melinda May….)

  2. 2.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2015 at 12:43 am

    If the jeans are an incentive, give the Danish series Rita a shot. (Available subtitled on Netflix.)

    No violence, but dialogue sharp as a tack. And the eponymous Rita is roughly your age, too.

  3. 3.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 21, 2015 at 12:47 am

    I’m within one degree of separation (in Kevin Bacon terms) from Lin-Manuel Miranda through multiple people, and still will probably never meet him even briefly.

    Life is like that sometimes.

  4. 4.

    khead

    November 21, 2015 at 12:48 am

    I’m just amazed the cat can talk and understands sarcasm.

  5. 5.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2015 at 12:50 am

    @Mnemosyne

    Just have to hang on until the House of Mouse grabs the rights for an animated Hamilton.

    ;)

  6. 6.

    Mike J

    November 21, 2015 at 12:52 am

    Virginia==Belgium without the beer;

  7. 7.

    gwangung

    November 21, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Tantalizing, isn’t it? (Thank to my playwright friend, I’m that kind of close with a lot of folks….now if they only did theatre more….)

  8. 8.

    Mike J

    November 21, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @Mike J: Very annoying that the comment editor isn’t a popup, instead takes the whole window..

  9. 9.

    Hill Dweller

    November 21, 2015 at 12:57 am

    Watching the Warriors pull out a tough win against the Bulls, who played well.

  10. 10.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    November 21, 2015 at 12:58 am

    @NotMax:

    We already share a boss. He was hired to work on some of the music for “Moana.” Which is why I now know three people who know him, but sadly they’re so far above me in the hierarchy that it doesn’t really increase my chances much.

    ETA: To be clear, he and I and about 900 other people share the same boss. Not my direct boss.

  11. 11.

    Brandon

    November 21, 2015 at 1:01 am

    Krysten Ritter, was hoping for better but not a fan. Just not good in this role, or is it generally?

  12. 12.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2015 at 1:02 am

    @Mnemosyne

    Well, if you can figure out a way to shoehorn a princess into the play and submit that idea…

    (I kid, I kid.)

  13. 13.

    gwangung

    November 21, 2015 at 1:04 am

    @Brandon: Huh. I still think she’s a bit on the pretty side for my concept of Jones, but she captures for me the broken quality of the character.

  14. 14.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    November 21, 2015 at 1:24 am

    ObOpenThread: An interesting and potentially very important article in “Cell” this week. Glycemic Index numbers aren’t universal – people metabolize food differently:

    The new study, led by Eran Segal and Eran Elinav of the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel, found that the GI of any given food is not a set value, but depends on the individual. For all participants, they collected data through health questionnaires, body measurements, blood tests, glucose monitoring, stool samples, and a mobile-app used to report lifestyle and food intake (a total of 46,898 meals were measured). In addition, the volunteers received a few standardized/identical meals for their breakfasts.

    As expected, age and body mass index (BMI) were found to be associated with blood glucose levels after meals. However, the data also revealed that different people show vastly different responses to the same food, even though their individual responses did not change from one day to another.

    “Most dietary recommendations that one can think of are based on one of these grading systems; however, what people didn’t highlight, or maybe they didn’t fully appreciate, is that there are profound differences between individuals–in some cases, individuals have opposite response to one another, and this is really a big hole in the literature,” says Segal, of Weizmann’s Department of Computer Science and Applied Math.

    “Measuring such a large cohort without any prejudice really enlightened us on how inaccurate we all were about one of the most basic concepts of our existence, which is what we eat and how we integrate nutrition into our daily life”, says Elinav, of Weizmann’s Department of Immunology. “In contrast to our current practices, tailoring diets to the individual may allow us to utilize nutrition as means of controlling elevated blood sugar levels and its associated medical conditions.”

    […]

    Cell, Zeevi and Korem et al.: “Personalized nutrition by prediction of glycemic responses” http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2015.11.001

    It seems obvious that this is the case – otherwise why would the same diet give vastly different results for some people, but it’s good that researchers are finally measuring enough people to figure these things out.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  15. 15.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    November 21, 2015 at 1:25 am

    Ack. I guess FYWP doesn’t like DOI URLs. Help remove me from the moderation dungeon?

    Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  16. 16.

    pacem appellant

    November 21, 2015 at 1:30 am

    I watched the first two episodes, but won’t be able to binge tonight. The rest will come in waves. Also, I don’t believe in Spoiler Alerts, so go ahead and talk about the sex scene in the first episode between Jessica and Luke. Hot or not?

  17. 17.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2015 at 1:31 am

    Turns out (according to him) that R congressman whose words were such eloquent testimony did vote Nay on the refugee stoppage bill, then was “pressured” to change his vote

  18. 18.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2015 at 1:45 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Gota clothe your links, this is fucking family blog.

  19. 19.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 21, 2015 at 1:56 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    FYWP doesn’t like naked URLs right now.

  20. 20.

    gwangung

    November 21, 2015 at 1:59 am

    @pacem appellant: Not…but not nearly as blatant as the original.

  21. 21.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    November 21, 2015 at 2:11 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): Obviously Cole’s become a prude in his dotage.

  22. 22.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 21, 2015 at 2:14 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Apparently.

  23. 23.

    Tim in SF

    November 21, 2015 at 2:36 am

    How weird. I never watch TV but the spousal unit convinced me to watch Jessica Jones tonight. I *loved* the first episode right up until the elevator scene. I think this show might be too dark for me.

  24. 24.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 21, 2015 at 2:46 am

    Bingeing Grimm to get caught up.

  25. 25.

    ruemara

    November 21, 2015 at 3:00 am

    Somehow, I’m done editing. Now it’s just color, a pitch and prayer.

  26. 26.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 21, 2015 at 3:05 am

    Congratulations! Do that blue and orange palette. I hear that works really well.

  27. 27.

    ruemara

    November 21, 2015 at 3:20 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): hmmm, Somehow, I don’t think that’s the color correction advice I need for film.

  28. 28.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    November 21, 2015 at 3:36 am

    @ruemara:

    Oh, I think it is. You’ll thank me later.

  29. 29.

    mclaren

    November 21, 2015 at 4:00 am

    @Tim in SF:

    I think this show might be too dark for me.

    Dark? Dark, did you say??!??!???

    Try Mister Robot, you’ll find out what “dark” is.

  30. 30.

    Tommy

    November 21, 2015 at 4:23 am

    @Tim in SF: Just starting to watch it.

  31. 31.

    Pogonip

    November 21, 2015 at 5:08 am

    Cole, you need to adjust your set. Picture’s all brown and fuzzy.

  32. 32.

    NotMax

    November 21, 2015 at 5:37 am

    @mclaren

    Double ditto for Penny Dreadful.

  33. 33.

    Marc

    November 21, 2015 at 6:24 am

    Just saw the first episode – gotta get the condo ready for guests and Thanksgiving, so the rest will have to wait. I love the show – I knew it was going to be dark, but wow – I didn’t think they’d start off on the first episode like that. I don’t mind, just surprised – but this would never make it on traditional TV, and that may be the reason they can do it from the get go. I loved DD and JJ looks to be better, so bring on the next two series, like yesterday! I am happy DD is going to have a second season along with Sense8. If I could get some other shows on Netflix, I’d be a happy camper, but I figure in the fullness of time, I’ll be able to eventually binge them too. Patience may be a virtue, but I want it now! ?

  34. 34.

    Tom

    November 21, 2015 at 7:28 am

    @gwangung: This isn’t the first time Tennant has played creepy.

    He was in a 2005 film called “Secret Smile” where he is absolutely terrifying – http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0462520/?ref_=m_nmfmd_act_59

    The man can definitely do creepy.

  35. 35.

    AdamK

    November 21, 2015 at 8:07 am

    The comic (“Alias”) is soooo much better. Where did all the wit go?

  36. 36.

    donnah

    November 21, 2015 at 8:22 am

    My son and I watched JJ for five episodes and we are both impressed with the noir feel and the quality of acting. It’s tough to watch my most beloved Tenth Doctor cast as a villain, but Tennant s a great actor, whether he’s a hero or a monster.

    We’ll finish watching all soon as well as all the other Marvels to come along.

    My husband and I finished watching Bloodline. Wow!

  37. 37.

    Chris

    November 21, 2015 at 9:20 am

    Only two episodes in, but so far I’m really liking it.

    Random thought for the moment; bless this series for pointing out just what a horrifying concept the Jedi Mind Trick is when not played for laughs (Star Wars) or for the greater good (X-Men).

    ETA: mind you, I’m only saying that I like it, not that it’s something particularly original to the franchise (Moody’s “think it’s funny? You’d like it, would you, if I did it to you?” moment in Goblet of Fire is another good moment in the same vein).

  38. 38.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    November 21, 2015 at 9:26 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): D’Oh! I knew that. It had been a long week… :-/

    Thanks Steep and Bill.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  39. 39.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    November 21, 2015 at 9:35 am

    @Steeplejack (phone): Yikes! I had no idea (we don’t go to the movies very often). Thanks.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  40. 40.

    smintheus

    November 21, 2015 at 9:42 am

    @Brandon: She’s not much of an actor.

  41. 41.

    Denali

    November 21, 2015 at 9:58 am

    @Steeplejack,

    Well, teal used to be one of my favorite colors.

  42. 42.

    RSA

    November 21, 2015 at 10:19 am

    Hey, at least Steve’s blocking your view with the back of his head and not his backside.

  43. 43.

    Curt

    November 21, 2015 at 11:22 am

    Not sure if the “compliment” line was there in the comic, but there was a similar one in Downton Abbey.

    “I’ll take that as a compliment.”
    “Oh dear, I must not have said it right.”

  44. 44.

    Starfish

    November 21, 2015 at 12:01 pm

    @gwangung: He is creepy in Broadchurch/Gracepoint. He is funny in Dr. Who.

  45. 45.

    SG

    November 21, 2015 at 12:33 pm

    According to Fashionista.com, JJ’s jeans are by Citizens of Humanity; their women’s jeans typically retail between $150-$200. The production people bought up as many pairs of the discontinued model as they could find and then distressed the hell out of them. Frankly, they just look like an overpriced version of Lee’s bootcut jeans to me. Face it Cole, it’s not the jeans, it’s the woman wearing them that you find enchanting.

  46. 46.

    pacem appellant

    November 21, 2015 at 4:40 pm

    @gwangung: In the comic books?

    I was just glad it wasn’t a sex scene where everybody looks smily and happy and missionary, and everyone just sorta gets up after the act. And it wasn’t porny. Still a fantasy show, but the noir effect wasn’t ignored even for the gritty sex.

  47. 47.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    November 21, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    @pacem appellant:

    In the comic books?

    Yup.

  48. 48.

    gussie

    November 21, 2015 at 6:43 pm

    I thought the pacing was off. So slow. Tediously self-consciously moody. But when things started happening, it got pretty cool.

    Though I wonder if we have a culture thing that says that strong women must be damaged. Black Widow is by far the most damaged Avenger, and now JJ …

  49. 49.

    rikyrah

    November 21, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    Bingeing Grimm to get caught up.

    Me too.

    I SOOOO do not want Adeline and Nick as a couple.

  50. 50.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    November 21, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    To some degree, most superheroes are damaged people. That’s one thing that makes Ms. Marvel such a delight. I want to see her on screen so bad….

  51. 51.

    gussie

    November 21, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: Yeah, that’s true. But more along the lines of Daredevil or Batman than JJ or Black Widow. And in the Avengers, there’s Thor and Iron Man–offensively undamaged–and Hawkeye and Cap, who is only damaged if ‘time travel’ is damage, and the Hulk, who is kinda more afflicted than damaged.

    But BW and JJ both were forced to do terrible things via a really dark brainwashing. I’m probably generalizing too much. It just struck me that I wonder if we’re willing to have powerful women as long as they pay seriously dark dues. Though Supergirl isn’t damaged, and yeah, can’t wait for Ms. Marvel.

    Though Giant Girl’s my favorite, in terms of non-damaged superheroes.

  52. 52.

    gwangung

    November 21, 2015 at 7:45 pm

    @gussie: I think it’s because only women are allowed to show their damage. Far from being undamaged, Tony Stark’s in denial and has been suffering PTSD since the first Avengers movie…and it led pretty much to Ultron in the second….

  53. 53.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    November 21, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    @gwangung: I suspect Stark’s PTSD will also lead to the split in Captain America: Civil War. Toss in the alcoholism that Disney nixed actually dealing with on screen, and we have a nice little mess there in his head. (Favreau really wanted to adapt Demon in a Bottle for the second IM movie.)

    @gussie: Most of the female heroes I can think of are also around Daredevil-level damaged, TBH. In the CU, we’ll be adding Hope Pym in the Ant-Man sequel, and we have Quake in Agents. I’m not sure where you’d place Melinda May and Bobbi Morse.

  54. 54.

    Chris

    November 21, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
    I suspect Stark’s PTSD will also lead to the split in Captain America: Civil War. Toss in the alcoholism that Disney nixed actually dealing with on screen, and we have a nice little mess there in his head. (Favreau really wanted to adapt Demon in a Bottle for the second IM movie.)

    I wanna see how Stark flip-flops from the “you’re not the boss of me!” adolescent telling the Fed’rul Gub’mint that they can have his armor when they pry it from his cold, dead, hands, to the guy who suddenly thinks superhero accountability’s not a bad thing.

  55. 55.

    John Cole

    November 21, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    @SG: No, it’s the cut of jeans. I like women in Lee’s/Levi’s more than I do those form fitting high priced skin tight shit. They look comfortable and worn and cozy, like jeans are supposed to look.

  56. 56.

    Steeplejack

    November 21, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I SOOOO do not want Adeline and Nick as a couple.

    Yeah, no.

    I didn’t see last night’s episode, because I was watching the previous episodes “on demand,” but the season looks like it’s off to an okay start. Juliette was really bugging me, both before the transformation (as a general pain in the ass) and after, so I’m sort of glad she’s out of the picture—although they left themselves plenty of “She’s not really dead!” room. The show was starting to get a little soap-opera-y in general, so I hope they tighten that up. Glad to see Trubel back in the picture.

    The show that has gotten off to a really good start this season is Elementary. Two (or three?) really good episodes so far, tightly written and going in some new directions. Joan Watson as a bit more of a bad-ass is pretty cool.

  57. 57.

    Steeplejack

    November 21, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @rikyrah:

    I SOOOO do not want Adeline and Nick as a couple.

    Yeah, no.

    I didn’t see last night’s episode, because I was watching the previous episodes “on demand,” but the season looks like it’s off to an okay start. Juliette was really bugging me, both before the transformation (as a general pain in the ass) and after, so I’m sort of glad she’s out of the picture—although they left themselves plenty of “She’s not really dead!” room. The show was starting to get a little soap-opera-y in general, so I hope they tighten that up. Glad to see Trubel back in the picture.

    The show that has gotten off to a really good start this season is Elementary. Two (or three?) really good episodes so far, tightly written and going in some new directions. Joan Watson as a bit more of a bad-ass is pretty cool.

  58. 58.

    mclaren

    November 21, 2015 at 11:37 pm

    Killgrave does an impressive Reagan imitation. Wouldn’t it be nice if an evil superpower explained the otherwise inexplicable rise of the Cruel Man With the Kindly Smile?
    The main thing that strikes me about Jessica Jones is what an unlivable shithole New York City is.
    I mean…wow. Just look at the backgrounds in this TV series. Rotting brick buildings from the 19th century, cracked potholed asphalt, decaying sidewalks 90 years old. Tenement apartments dingy and grimy, painted over with so many layers of cheap shellac that they look like corpses covered in enamel. Streets so filthy you can’t believe it. Bags full of garbage lying on the sidewalk.
    Seriously — who does that? What civilized city anywhere in the world just dumps plastic bags full of garbage on the sidewalk?
    Even the faux-elegant apartments look like a combination germ-warfare laboratory and A-bomb test bunker, all glass and chrome and hideous inhuman clinical steel.
    The other thing that strikes you is the incredible noise. Roaring rumbling blasting thundering traffic noise everywhere.
    How the fuck do people live like that?
    It’s incomprehensible. Watching these people thrash and flail in rotting $5000-a-month shithole apartments that look out onto grimy garbage-stained streets clogged with human detritus is like a porthole into the deepest circle of hell. Most sane human beings would pay five thousand dollars a month not to live in the kind of squalor embodied by New York City. Yet, incomprehensibly, people continue to want to submerge themselves in that urban cesspool.
    Presumably it’s the same sick mindset of young girls who compulsively cut themselves, or those medieval monks who stripped naked and whipped themselves until their backs bled.
    I can’t understand it.
    Why the hell anyone anywhere would want to live in a shithole like New York City remains as incomprehensible to me as why someone would want to cut off their own face and feed it to their dog, but I guess people on PCP sometimes do that, so what the hell.
    The whole show works brilliantly as a metaphor for the decay of America’s largest cities, which degenerate into incredible subhuman collapse and filth at the same time the cost of living in all of America’s biggest cities skyrockets into the stratosphere. There’s some weird perverse inverted mathematical relationship going on here in the early 21st century, whereby the more horrifically unlivable America’s biggest cities become, the most expensive it gets to live there. You have to wonder if there’s some kind of antisocial singularity in which America’s biggest cities will disappear into a hellish nadir of depraved self-cannibalizing Morlockery at the same time the cost of living in a big city rises to infinity and the monthly average rent becomes larger than the U.S. GDP.

  59. 59.

    mike in dc

    November 22, 2015 at 3:25 pm

    Liked the show. Binge watched it in two days. Kilgrave is eeee-vil, but seriously, mind control is a power that would turn many people into sociopaths.

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