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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Friday Night’s All Right for Fighting Open Thread

Friday Night’s All Right for Fighting Open Thread

by Anne Laurie|  December 4, 201511:56 pm| 58 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Open Threads, Our Failed Media Experiment

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The paradox of news: information is hugely valuable before it has been reported, and worthless thereafter. We exist to find & destroy value!

— Felix Salmon (@felixsalmon) December 4, 2015

Black Friday, but for reporters https://t.co/szelNd5ZTo pic.twitter.com/NK9VDASig6

— Mike Pearl (@MikeLeePearl) December 4, 2015

Value destroyed, per the Hollywood Reporter:

After showing live television footage of inside the home of the San Bernardino mass shooting assailants, the network has apologized for the decision on Friday…

Earlier in day, in a widely criticized decision, multiple news organizations, including CNN, aired live footage from the home of assailants Tashfeen Malik and Syed Rizwan Farook, including walking around rooms and showing photographs in the household.

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  1. 1.

    David Koch

    December 5, 2015 at 12:00 am

    This iz CNN

  2. 2.

    redshirt

    December 5, 2015 at 12:01 am

    I’ll fight whoever wants to fight. Come on!

  3. 3.

    David Koch

    December 5, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Bernard Shaw: “The skies over Baghdad some suburban apartment are illuminated”

    If Ted Turner was dead, he’d be rolling over in his grave.

  4. 4.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Because I’m tired of talking about murderous assholes and why they murder, I will instead tell you that you can go see Miracle on 34th Street at a theater near you on 12/20 or 12/23 thanks to TCM and Fathom Events.

  5. 5.

    NotMax

    December 5, 2015 at 12:04 am

    Ethics. A quaint concept.

  6. 6.

    redshirt

    December 5, 2015 at 12:06 am

    But can we really blame the news when such phenomena as “Curiosity Slowdowns” exists?

    Bring the bodies closer!

  7. 7.

    Geoduck

    December 5, 2015 at 12:10 am

    While what the news jackals did was disgusting, I’m more curious how this happened at a law-enforcement level. Surely after two or three days, they weren’t done going through the apartment? Who exactly failed to keep the place secure? And if they were done.. they left stuff behind like driver’s licenses?

  8. 8.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2015 at 12:12 am

    @Geoduck: They locked the door when they left. The landlord violated the law by using his/her key to let people in.

  9. 9.

    NotMax

    December 5, 2015 at 12:20 am

    Would take CNN’s contrition a lot more seriously if the reporter(s) were suspended.

  10. 10.

    redshirt

    December 5, 2015 at 12:21 am

    @efgoldman: I’m a Tae Kwon Do black belt and really good at fighting. :)

  11. 11.

    Redshift

    December 5, 2015 at 12:21 am

    Damn. Just found out I knew one of the victims. Hadn’t seen him in years, but still.

  12. 12.

    ruemara

    December 5, 2015 at 12:21 am

    This sickened me. It’s insane that they did this. Beyond the pale.

  13. 13.

    Amir Khalid

    December 5, 2015 at 12:22 am

    @efgoldman:
    As Adam pointed out in the previous thread, Law & Order has a better budget for stationing a cop at the apartment door than the San Bernardino PD. So it might not have been police incompetence.

  14. 14.

    NotMax

    December 5, 2015 at 12:22 am

    Sign of the times?

    Went to post office today. On the door was this pre-printed notice:

    We will be closed to observe Christmas on December 26.

  15. 15.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:23 am

    Or how about a cool version of “Joy to the World” featuring Leslie Odom Jr., the Mighty Oak, and other cast members from “Hamilton”?

    (Sorry, no, Lin-Manuel — the Mouse seems to be keeping the guy a little busy. But you can definitely see that Odom got his start singing in the gospel choir at church.)

  16. 16.

    scav

    December 5, 2015 at 12:23 am

    Piranhas will manage to get enough publicity milage out of their faux-contrition as they got out of the invasion in the first place. Journalistic Two-Fer!!

  17. 17.

    redshirt

    December 5, 2015 at 12:23 am

    @NotMax: Begun the War on Christmas has.

  18. 18.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:24 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Any chance the journalists involved could face legal penalties?

  19. 19.

    amk

    December 5, 2015 at 12:25 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    “you can go see ….. at a theater near you ”

    Bad suggestion.

  20. 20.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2015 at 12:25 am

    @efgoldman: Still, not again.

  21. 21.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2015 at 12:27 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): No. The landlord violated the law. They just capitalized on it.

  22. 22.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:29 am

    @amk:

    Because you hate “Miracle on 34th Street,” or because it’s not showing near you?

    If you’re worried about a mass shooter, I would avoid seeing the new “Star Wars” movie long before I avoided a small, two-nights-only engagement.

  23. 23.

    NotMax

    December 5, 2015 at 12:30 am

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Golden Platter doctrine.

    However if they removed any items without express permission, there could be a case for theft.

  24. 24.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 5, 2015 at 12:32 am

    @Amir Khalid: San Berdo, at least the county, has had some severe financial problems, including bankruptcy.

  25. 25.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:32 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Does that depend on whether they were smart enough not to actually remove anything from the premises? I’m assuming they were at least that smart, but you never know once the feeding frenzy starts.

  26. 26.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2015 at 12:32 am

    @NotMax: Correct. Also, depending on state law, there could be invasion of privacy issues.

  27. 27.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 5, 2015 at 12:36 am

    @efgoldman:

    How much does it cost to string yellow crime scene tape? Hell, we have a humongous roll in the basement.

    So that’s how you keep guests away.

  28. 28.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:39 am

    @efgoldman:

    If the family doesn’t sue, I would be very surprised.

  29. 29.

    scav

    December 5, 2015 at 12:40 am

    Bet it wouldn’t matter if someone failed to lock their door, they’d still be able to stand their ground against anyone that wandered in, let alone anyone the landlord let in unexpectedly.

  30. 30.

    Elie

    December 5, 2015 at 12:43 am

    Every reporter who stepped into the apartment KNEW it was wrong to do it. I have no idea why things like the suspects Mom’s driver’s license was still there and not secured or why other official papers were not as well. Someone on a previous post or on another site said that in CA what the landlord did was illegal. He had an obligation to secure the contents of this house for the family and in this case, the daughter of the couple. He has to have had the instincts of an animal but I equally fault the reporters who surely knew this was wrong. I am not sure who this will fall on ultimately, but I see a law suit with money awards in someone’s future. My advise to the family of the couple is to lawyer up with a good lawyer, not that weirdo you hired who was blaberring on about Sandy Hook conspiracies and some such. Surely they can find someone better than that….

  31. 31.

    NotMax

    December 5, 2015 at 12:44 am

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Strictly curious from a legal perspective (and aware it may not be your forte) – read though a revised cardholder agreement just sent me about changes regarding a credit card.

    Anyway, lots of small text about how one could opt out of many of the changes to the agreement. Doing do would result in cancellation of the account EXCEPT for opting out of mandatory arbitration, which must be done explicitly and only by letter. Doing that would have (paraphrasing) no detriment or affect on the status of the account.

    Which I don’t for a moment believe. Too skeptical?

    It’s a gas station card which gets paid in full each month so suits or arbitration not really something that’s gonna come up, but curious regardless.

  32. 32.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:45 am

    @efgoldman:

    Scrooge! I like the Edmund Gwenn “Miracle on 34th Street” — IIRC, he got a richly deserved Oscar nomination for it. He keeps the whimsy on a tight leash, and that final scene in the house makes it all worthwhile. The remake is crap, though.

    My favorite modern Christmas movie is, yes, “Elf.” It takes all of the best themes from “Miracle” and puts them into a modern setting. And when else are you going to see Bob Newhart as an elf, James Caan as the Scrooge-like cranky bastard who grows a heart (signaled by the heartwarming line, “Up yours”), and Ed Asner as Santa Claus?

  33. 33.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:47 am

    @scav:

    In California, yes. We’ve had the Castle Doctrine for over 100 years.

  34. 34.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 5, 2015 at 12:49 am

    @NotMax: So far from my areas (such as they are) that I won’t speculate. Sorry.

  35. 35.

    redshirt

    December 5, 2015 at 12:50 am

    @efgoldman: Booby trapped baby would be like the worse thing in the world, and I bet it’s been done many times.

  36. 36.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:51 am

    @efgoldman:

    Hey, Maggie Simpson shot Mr. Burns for trying to steal her candy. You never know.

  37. 37.

    jl

    December 5, 2015 at 12:52 am

    I disagree with Salmon

    ” information is hugely valuable before it has been reported ”

    Maybe true in business and finance, but in this case? What was the value of the information?
    I heard the audio feed of some of this BS on the radio and found it difficult to believe anyone would watch such stupid shit, and wondered who allowed it to happen. From everything I’ve read about it, there was no news value to the information at all. WTF news value is there in some the driver’s license or social security card of a relative with no suspected involvement in the crime at all? None that I can see. What a disgusting worthless shit show.

  38. 38.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 5, 2015 at 12:56 am

    @Elie:

    I kind of understand that they really, really don’t want to have to face the fact that their family members committed a horrible crime and left them to face the consequences so they hired a guy who’s telling them what they want to hear, but hiring a lawyer who depends on conspiracy theories is not going to help them at all.

  39. 39.

    Renie

    December 5, 2015 at 12:59 am

    Saw someplace on twitter that one of the news agencies (I think CNN) paid the landlord $1,000 to open the door. Anyone else hear anything like this.

  40. 40.

    amk

    December 5, 2015 at 1:15 am

    dumbya donor: donald dreck is a Hitler/Mussolini/Peron bullyionaire

  41. 41.

    David Koch

    December 5, 2015 at 1:22 am

    @efgoldman: Clemson losing would be sweet as it would ignite mass chaos.

  42. 42.

    redshirt

    December 5, 2015 at 1:35 am

    @efgoldman: College football is terrible.

  43. 43.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 5, 2015 at 1:39 am

    @David Koch: I’m rooting for the Trees(anybody playing U$C).

  44. 44.

    Anoniminous

    December 5, 2015 at 1:46 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Our Christmas movie is Lion in Winter, the original 1968 version with Peter O’Toole and Katherine Hepburn. We were given the 2003 remake with Patrick Stewart and Glenn Close, credible but no where near as good.

  45. 45.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 5, 2015 at 2:03 am

    @efgoldman: I’m not passed out, I am killing time at SFO waiting for my red-eye back to the right (as in correct) coast.

  46. 46.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 5, 2015 at 2:12 am

    @Gin & Tonic: But it sure looks like nobody else is around.

  47. 47.

    Peale

    December 5, 2015 at 2:12 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): with our press, I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t leave things behind. Or snack on food in the fridge.

  48. 48.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 5, 2015 at 2:13 am

    The local news says the Feds released the apartment. They did show pictures of the landlord, I assume, removing a board over the door with a crowbar. So it was a bit more than simply unlocking the door, the door was boarded up.

  49. 49.

    sneezy

    December 5, 2015 at 2:53 am

    @jl:

    I disagree with Salmon
    [that] “information is hugely valuable before it has been reported”

    Pretty sure Salmon is just speaking as a self-involved media douchebag. The only “value” he has in mind is that of a “scoop” and the “value” it has to a reporter. Once it’s been reported, no other reporter can get the “scoop,” and so in these terms, it then becomes worthless.

    This of course is not the real value that information has to anyone other than self-involved media douchebags, but he’s not talking about that.

    The so-called “reporters” pawing through the apartment in San Bernardino possibly did destroy or at least contaminate information of real value, but he’s not talking about that, either.

  50. 50.

    TheMightyTrowel

    December 5, 2015 at 3:04 am

    OT Greetings from the sydney qantas lounge where the champagne is drinkable and free. I don’t have time now to regale you but i had a close encounter of the MotU variety on wed and the more i think about it the more surreal it gets. God bankers are weird and repellant.

  51. 51.

    Peale

    December 5, 2015 at 3:13 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): or all our speculating about who “radicalized” them when they seemed so perfectly normal points to Alex Jones…it’s The Tsarnov mother, west coast version.

  52. 52.

    sukabi

    December 5, 2015 at 3:55 am

    @Peale: I’d actually be surprised if no one took souvenirs from the apartment. Fucking vultures.

  53. 53.

    Darkrose

    December 5, 2015 at 7:25 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Oh wow. That was incredible. Thanks for posting it.

  54. 54.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    December 5, 2015 at 7:31 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Agree about Elf.

  55. 55.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 5, 2015 at 10:36 am

    @ruemara: Agreed. And they knew they were wrong, looking for some FBI guy in the east coast to clear them? Bullshit.

  56. 56.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 5, 2015 at 10:36 am

    @Amir Khalid: Cult of low taxes at work.

  57. 57.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 5, 2015 at 10:37 am

    @NotMax: No it’s not, they’re unionized and bargained to get a three day weekend.

  58. 58.

    Bill Murray

    December 5, 2015 at 12:49 pm

    @redshirt:

    I’ll fight whoever wants to fight. Come on!

    I’m sorry, it’s Saturday Night that’s all right for fighting

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