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You are here: Home / Gun Issues / Gun nuts / Late Night Open Thread: If It’s Good for the Goose…

Late Night Open Thread: If It’s Good for the Goose…

by Anne Laurie|  December 4, 201512:17 am| 47 Comments

This post is in: Gun nuts, Open Threads, Proud to Be A Democrat, The War On Women

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"How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every young woman who wants to get an abortion?" pic.twitter.com/uhmGa6TSAL

— Elizabeth Day (@elizabday) October 3, 2015

omg, that viral Facebook post about treating guns like we treat abortions might actually come true in Missouri pic.twitter.com/pIFYlxxLv6

— laura olin (@lauraolin) December 4, 2015

Not that the bill will pass, but major props to State Rep. Stacey Newman. Per the STLMag website:

Missouri is home to some of the strictest requirements on abortion in the U.S., including a 72-hour waiting period and mandatory, state-directed counseling.

Missouri is also home to some disturbingly high gun crime rates. St. Louis and Kansas City each rank in the top 10 U.S. cities with the highest rates of gun violence, and a recent report showed that toddlers shot more people in Missouri than in any other state.

A new bill from State Rep. Stacey Newman attempts to tackle Missouri’s gun violence problem by applying the restrictions placed on women seeking abortion services to all prospective firearm purchasers, such as a requirement that anyone buying a gun first watch a 30-minute video on fatal firearm injuries.

“Since Missouri holds the rank as one of the strictest abortion regulation states in the country, it is logical we borrow similar restrictions to lower our horrific gun violence rates,” Newman said in a statement.

The bill, pre-filed Tuesday for the 2016 session, is doomed to die in Missouri’s Republican-controlled legislature, something that Newman knows perfectly well…

“If we truly insist that Missouri cares about ‘all life’, then we must take immediate steps to address our major cities rising rates of gun violence,” Newman said. “Popular proposals among voters, including universal background checks and restricting weapons from abuser and convicted felons, are consistently ignored each session. Since restrictive policies regarding a constitutionally protected medical procedure are the GOP’s legislative priority each year, it makes sense that their same restrictions apply to those who may commit gun violence. Our city mayors and law enforcement drastically need help in saving lives.”

Full details at the link.

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47Comments

  1. 1.

    Jerzy Russian

    December 4, 2015 at 12:23 am

    I like it.

  2. 2.

    amk

    December 4, 2015 at 12:27 am

    tweet of the day.

  3. 3.

    Kryptik

    December 4, 2015 at 12:27 am

    Sadly this will likely spell the end of State Rep. Newman’s political career, considering she just suggested this in MISSOURI, of all places. It’s wonderful she did it and highlighted the bullshit behind the abortion restrictions, but you know, no good deed unpunished.

  4. 4.

    Suzanne

    December 4, 2015 at 12:31 am

    On a related note, when the right wing talks about better mental health care, are they actually proposing that mental illness would be grounds for confiscation? Which mental illnesses?

    I know, I’m being dumb by even suggesting there is a policy proposal there.

  5. 5.

    2liberal

    December 4, 2015 at 12:31 am

    does anyone else get a popup for “children of the cite” which is supposedly generated by balloon juice?

  6. 6.

    Suzanne

    December 4, 2015 at 12:35 am

    Just heard that Scott Weiland died. Shit.

  7. 7.

    RobertDSC (Quad Intel Mac)

    December 4, 2015 at 12:35 am

    Excellent.

  8. 8.

    Ruckus

    December 4, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @2liberal:
    Yes
    It’s not all the time, haven’t seen it today. If you have greasemonkey and a troll filter it may come from there, however I disabled it and no change. I normally get it when I refresh.
    Now if you are on a different browser (FF here) on mac using the desktop version then likely from BJ.

  9. 9.

    Darkrose

    December 4, 2015 at 1:00 am

    I’d forgotten how awesome a show The Wiz is.

  10. 10.

    Betty Cracker

    December 4, 2015 at 1:00 am

    Outstanding.

  11. 11.

    cmorenc

    December 4, 2015 at 1:06 am

    We can anticipate that wingers will respond that the difference between abortion and guns is that having an abortion definitely kills the fetus, whereas merely having a gun does not necessarily kill anyone – guns are most often used for non-lethal sport. Well, so is sex. With a gun, you might accidentally kill someone, with sex, you might accidentally impregnate someone. Also too, if it’s frustratingly hard to wait 72 hours to buy a gun when you desire one, it’s even more frustratingly hard still to wait 72 hours to have sex with a willing partner you have hot desire for.

    A rich vein of further analogies indeed arise from the parallels set out above.

  12. 12.

    Mike J

    December 4, 2015 at 1:08 am

    @Kryptik:

    Sadly this will likely spell the end of State Rep. Newman’s political career,

    Her district is Clayton. She’ll be fine.

  13. 13.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 4, 2015 at 1:14 am

    “Good for the goose” reminds me of this woman.

  14. 14.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 4, 2015 at 1:16 am

    @Darkrose:

    I won’t have a chance to watch it until tomorrow night, so no spoilers!
    ;-)

  15. 15.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2015 at 1:26 am

    @Mnemosyne

    Haven’t yet seen it either, but it has to better than the stinkeroo film version, which didn’t even come within shouting distance of recouping its production budget.

  16. 16.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 4, 2015 at 1:29 am

    @NotMax: Dear god, you are a cranky bastard this evening. Fuck off to the religious and fuck off to those who liked the Wiz.

  17. 17.

    GxB

    December 4, 2015 at 1:30 am

    Damn… That’s, an impressive bit of legislation. Too bad it has a snowball’s chance in hell.

    re:@Suzanne:

    Lemee guess – heroin OD?

  18. 18.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2015 at 1:36 am

    @Omnes Omnibus

    It has its own infamy in the annals of studio flopdom.

    $24 million dollars to make (the most expensive film musical ever at that point); pulled in $13.6 million at the box office. Reviews were scathing.

    That’s not cranky, that’s a bloody disaster.

  19. 19.

    Mike J

    December 4, 2015 at 1:40 am

    @NotMax: So Jurassic World at $650M was 50 times better than Diana Ross and Michael Jackson on screen together?

  20. 20.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 4, 2015 at 1:40 am

    @NotMax:

    I remember kind of liking the movie version, but I was around 10 years old and haven’t seen it since. At a minimum, 19-year-old Shanice Williams is WAY more age-appropriate as Dorothy than 30-something Diana Ross was.

    I saw a reference online to a version with an updated book being performed in La Jolla a few years ago, so I’m wondering if that’s the version they did tonight.

    (For the non-Broadway fans, the “book” of a musical is all of the dialogue parts.)

  21. 21.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 4, 2015 at 1:43 am

    @GxB:

    That’s my first guess, too, but we’ll have to wait and see. G pointed out that if you abuse your body long enough, your heart can give out even without a drug overdose to precipitate it.

  22. 22.

    NotMax

    December 4, 2015 at 1:49 am

    @Mike J

    That’s just being silly. The Wiz, the play, was a major, major hit. It was the audiences who avoided the movie version like the plague that made the film a flop.

  23. 23.

    piratedan7

    December 4, 2015 at 1:50 am

    @Mike J: or the epic that was Waterworld? but sometimes I think that the media loves the hype so they can let their inner cat out at times….

  24. 24.

    gene108

    December 4, 2015 at 1:50 am

    Nice sentiment.

    The problem is, unlike the anti-choice crowd, there is no one single place, where anti-gun nuts congregate and no authority figure they will follow with few questions asked.

    The anti-abortion leaders had a bunch of church going folks, who’d follow what their preachers said. Just push the antiabortion message every Sunday to a relatively captive audience and you have a mass movement.

    I have no idea how to organize the majority of people, who are not gun-nuts to get as fired up about supporting stricter gun laws.

  25. 25.

    Mike J

    December 4, 2015 at 2:13 am

    @gene108:

    Just push the antiabortion message every Sunday to a relatively captive audience and you have a mass movement.

    The Southern Baptists actually came out in favor of the ruling in Roe v Wade. It didn’t start as a religious issue and didn’t become one until Republicans decided to make it one.

  26. 26.

    jc

    December 4, 2015 at 2:20 am

    The problem with this is that I don’t want women to have to go through all the BS the right wants to put them through. But I do want to make it harder for men to obtain guns.

  27. 27.

    Villago Delenda Est

    December 4, 2015 at 2:35 am

    @Suzanne: They won’t fund jack shit anyways, so the entire thing is moot.

    It’s all just talk, just like prayer. All bloviate, no do.

  28. 28.

    Tenar Darell

    December 4, 2015 at 3:06 am

    I guess all that Stravinsky growing up had an effect. I went to hear a contemporary music piece tonight, Penelope, and I really liked it a lot. Then again I was listening to OOIOO the day before yesterday, so not complete shock.

    Composed by Sarah Kirkland Snyder. And I’d never heard it, and I truly was blown away.. Here is 4 movements, about 20 minutes.

  29. 29.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 4, 2015 at 4:54 am

    Missouri is home to some of the strictest requirements on abortion in the U.S., including a 72-hour waiting period and mandatory, state-directed counseling.
    Missouri is also home to some disturbingly high gun crime rates. St. Louis and Kansas City each rank in the top 10 U.S. cities with the highest rates of gun violence, and a recent report showed that toddlers shot more people in Missouri than in any other state.

    Yep yep yeppers, that’s my home, almost makes me proud, especially that last part about the rugrats. Too damn many of the little bastards running around, their probably mostly ni66as anyway, so who cares? And them fvckin’ b1tches, they got nothin’ to say worth listenin’ to so they should all just shut up and do what we tell’ em to do and if we say spread ’em well they damn well better or else…..

    Nobody actually talks like that around here (at least not in public), and if you said they did they would get offended because in their hearts, 90-5% don’t believe any of that. But it doesn’t really matter because all of their preferred policies have the same end result.

    And you can’t tell them that. Whether willful ignorance or willful indifference I can’t tell, probably a mix of both, and again it doesn’t matter. Sometimes the best you can hope for is the small simple goal of embarrassing them with their hypocrisy.

  30. 30.

    rikyrah

    December 4, 2015 at 6:21 am

    Good Morning, Everyone :)

  31. 31.

    raven

    December 4, 2015 at 6:24 am

    @rikyrah: yo

  32. 32.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 4, 2015 at 6:27 am

    @rikyrah: ;-)

  33. 33.

    raven

    December 4, 2015 at 6:28 am

    “You need a friend, get a Jew”!

  34. 34.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 4, 2015 at 6:29 am

    I was wondering if this blog was still on.

  35. 35.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 4, 2015 at 6:29 am

    @raven: Wow, just wow.

    ETA: That was pretty much the reaction at the Morning Joe table.

  36. 36.

    raven

    December 4, 2015 at 6:31 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Shithead ain’t there yet.

  37. 37.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 4, 2015 at 6:32 am

    @raven: True.

  38. 38.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 4, 2015 at 6:34 am

    @raven: Beautiful, wasn’t it? The whole shitshow parade was an exercise in embarrassment.

  39. 39.

    raven

    December 4, 2015 at 6:35 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: And Trump’s numbers go up! Sig!

  40. 40.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 4, 2015 at 6:35 am

    CNN/ORC

    Trump 36%
    Cruz 16%
    Carson 14%
    Rubio 12%
    …
    Jeb? 3%
    Not sure about the MOE.

  41. 41.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 4, 2015 at 6:38 am

    Per Carson, Gaza is ruled by a tasty chickpea dip.

    ETA: He’s toast.

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    December 4, 2015 at 6:48 am

    Man’s hoard of nearly 5,000 guns shows ease of amassing firearms in the US

    Inside, the guns were everywhere: rifles and shotguns piled in the living room, halls and bedrooms; handguns littering tables and countertops. Outside, when they rolled up the door on the pre-fab metal garage, more arms spilled out at their feet.
    “This has completely changed our definition of an ass-load of guns,” said Chesterfield County Sheriff Jay Brooks. Six weeks after the discovery, officers are still cataloging the weapons, many of which have proved stolen, and the final tally is expected to be close to 5,000. “I don’t know if there’s ever been (a seizure) this big anywhere before,” Brooks says.

    ….

    “Everybody knew he’d buy guns; his father bought ‘em, his grandfather bought ‘em,” says Al Padgett, 68, who keeps a booth at a local flea market and says he’s known the family all his life. “He collected ‘em, hoarded ‘em, but I never knew him to sell a gun. Not one. He did everyone a favor keeping ‘em off the street.”
    Brooks sees things differently. Nicholson had piles of allegedly stolen goods, including a zoo’s worth of taxidermy trophies, Brooks says, but his preference was guns and he provided a ready market for burglars who grabbed them from cabins and hunting camps. The sheriff still hasn’t determined precisely how many guns in Nicholson’s cache were stolen, noting that hundreds have had their serial numbers removed so they can’t be traced.
    “Getting him locked up dries up the outlet for this stolen merchandise,” Brooks says.
    Brooks suspects Nicholson may have been selling some of the guns. He had relatively few handguns – maybe a half-dozen large buckets full – and “that makes us believe he had a market for those and was moving them north,” Brooks says, noting that the matter remains under investigation.

    Oh well, only a half dozen buckets full….

    Ultimately, the courts will decide what happens to Nicholson’s guns. Brooks suspects many will be destroyed, particularly those with no serial numbers, because their rightful owners can’t be identified.
    Some locals scratch their heads over that possibility, arguing that it’s a waste of good weaponry. Nicholson may not have known if he was buying weapons that prove to be stolen, some say, and he should be allowed to keep any that do not.
    “It doesn’t make sense,” says Otis Burch, 85, another local who knows the Nicholsons. “He’s a good man – he wasn’t selling those guns.
    “I asked him just about a month ago if he’d sell me a deer rifle,” Burch adds, “and he said he didn’t have any.”

  43. 43.

    Boudica

    December 4, 2015 at 7:08 am

    I’d add the restriction that the gun purchaser must get notarized written approval from all adults living in the household before said purchaser can complete the purchase.

  44. 44.

    jamey

    December 4, 2015 at 7:22 am

    I have never wanted a gun. But if I get to watch Dirty Harry movies AND get an anal probe, then maybe it’s time I started browsing local rifle shops!!

  45. 45.

    raven

    December 4, 2015 at 7:42 am

    I have several antique weapons that I am going to sell for my sister. It’s nuts how easy it is in Georgia!

  46. 46.

    Paul in KY

    December 4, 2015 at 10:57 am

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): By all accounts, he was a major partier. Another one who didn’t have Keith Richard’s iron constitution.

  47. 47.

    Howard Appel

    December 4, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    The thing is that, IMHO, many of the gun nut jobs wouldn’t be embarrassed by photos of dead people, they would probably ask for autographed copies. What would they say to the parents of victims, “you kid was a loser – if he/she had been carrying, he/she would have killed the bad guys.”

    IMHO and prejudiced opinion, most of the gun nuts don’t have the conscience or empathy required for this to affect them. And besides, in their view, the first clause of the Second Amendment, re “well-regulated”, that’s merely guidance, not really meant to be followed.

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