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MNF Open Thread

by Betty Cracker|  December 7, 20158:39 pm| 91 Comments

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Horrid Cowboys vs. detestable Ethnic Slurs of DC. If only both could suffer a humiliating defeat! Open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Loneoak

    December 7, 2015 at 8:41 pm

    The classic “rooting for the asteroid” scenario.

  2. 2.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 8:43 pm

    If only both could suffer a humiliating defeat!

    As Olsen Johnson would say: Now who can argue with THAT?

    But since that is unlikely to happen, how about this as a fallback: Ethnic Slurs win, but Snyder gets severely concussed during the postgame celebration? It may not be a Win-Win-Win scenario, but 2 outta 3 ain’t bad.

    ETA: Even better would be Zombie Tom Landry beating Snyder (more) senseless with his ossified game hat. (Not that I ever liked Landry, but I’m trying to think outside the coffin box here.)

  3. 3.

    Baud

    December 7, 2015 at 8:46 pm

    detestable Ethnic Slurs of DC.

    Steve King plays professional football?

  4. 4.

    Wileybud

    December 7, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    Look at the bright side – you can cheer any injuries, no matter upon which side it’s inflicted!

  5. 5.

    khead

    December 7, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    SOMEone was out there betting on the Cowboys today. Line dropped from 3.5 to 1.5 before kickoff.

  6. 6.

    yodecat

    December 7, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    How can you all hate… America’s Team?! I’ll bet that you all are stealth Muslims.

  7. 7.

    PaulW

    December 7, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    Go Bucs!

  8. 8.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    @yodecat:

    I’ll bet that you all are stealth Muslims.

    Stealth?

  9. 9.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    @PaulW:

    Go Bucs!

    Baseball’s over for this year.

  10. 10.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 9:16 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Yer speling it rong. (Bucs, that is.)

    Go Power Memorial!

    ETA: Oh, yeah, almost forgot: it’s Lew.

  11. 11.

    redshirt

    December 7, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    The Ethnic Slurs are surprisingly decent in the crappy NFC East. Heck, if they didn’t have all the drama they might actually be good. Snyder won’t allow that, though.

  12. 12.

    scav

    December 7, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    @SFAW: Exactly. Except I’m hoping it’s Zeus that plays target practice with the ball. Thor as backup, then Shango, or maybe the other way round.

  13. 13.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    @scav:

    Sounds good to me.

  14. 14.

    redshirt

    December 7, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    @efgoldman: Kareem is the best Muslim American athlete, in case there was any debate.

  15. 15.

    trollhattan

    December 7, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    @redshirt:
    There’s that Ali feller who deserves consideration.

    I give it up for Kareem’s post-sports life, as he’s really blossomed as an advocate, thinker, writer, etc.

  16. 16.

    raven

    December 7, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    @redshirt: Baloney, no one is near Ali.

  17. 17.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    @raven:
    Seconded (or thirded, I guess).

  18. 18.

    redshirt

    December 7, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    @raven: Kareem is the best professional basketball player of all time. That tops Ali’s titles IMO, though it is close.

  19. 19.

    lurker dean

    December 7, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    our ever vigilante media in action:

    Christopher C. Cuomo
    So the media should strike him down for making a suggestion that perhaps offends certain sensibilities?

    https://twitter.com/ChrisCuomo/status/674018884270297088

    “Perhaps offends certain sensibilities?!?!”

  20. 20.

    different-church-lady

    December 7, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    I’m disappointed you’re not gloating more about the Pats’ stepping on a rake yesterday.

  21. 21.

    Schlemazel

    December 7, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    @redshirt:
    There is this guy that floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee who would disagree with your assessment & I have to agree with him.

    EDIT: and once I again I am reminded I should read all comments before posting. WHat all those other guys said!

  22. 22.

    lurker dean

    December 7, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    @lurker dean: vigilant, oops..

  23. 23.

    Davebo

    December 7, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    @redshirt:

    Kareem is the best professional basketball player of all time.

    That’s a bit of an overstatement. Though I would say he’s in my top two of best NBA centers of all time.

  24. 24.

    Davebo

    December 7, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    @redshirt:

    And ironically, the other guy in my top two centers list is also a muslim!

  25. 25.

    Betty Cracker

    December 7, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    @different-church-lady: Okay, here ya go!

  26. 26.

    Howard Beale IV

    December 7, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    You can always hope for a tie.

  27. 27.

    JMG

    December 7, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    @Davebo: I don’t think Kareem is the greatest of all time. But he is in the group where differences on the topic are a matter of opinion and not evidence.

  28. 28.

    Schlemazel

    December 7, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    @Davebo:
    George Mikan was a Muslim?!?!

  29. 29.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @redshirt:

    Kareem is the best Milwaukee Bucks player of all time.

    It’s not clear that Kareem is even the best Laker of all time – that might be Magic. I imagine if you define your terms tightly enough, you could get it to come out to be Kareem, however.

  30. 30.

    Davebo

    December 7, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    @JMG:

    He’s the greatest center of all time. Of that I have no doubt.

    But yeah, Ali is the greatest muslim athlete of all time.

  31. 31.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    @Davebo:

    He’s the greatest center of all time. Of that I have no doubt.

    The Hank Finkel Fan Club wants to have a word with you.

  32. 32.

    JMG

    December 7, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    Best Laker of all time is a pretty hard one to answer, just like best Celtic. But Kareem was the one Chick Hearn revered most, and that has to count for something.

  33. 33.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    @Davebo:

    And ironically, the other guy in my top two centers list is also a muslim!

    Hakeem?

  34. 34.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    @JMG:

    But Kareem was the one Chick Hearn revered most, and that has to count for something.

    It does – that and two bucks will get you on the LA subway.

  35. 35.

    cmorenc

    December 7, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    Horrid Cowboys vs. detestable Ethnic Slurs of DC. If only both could suffer a humiliating defeat!

    …which raises an interesting question: IS there any plausible (even if unlikely) scenario under NFL rules which could result in *both* opponents in a football game losing the game? I would think it would require some kind of severe rules violation by each team, the specified penalty for which is forfeiture of the game. Is there any potential scenario where that could happen?

  36. 36.

    The Thin Black Duke

    December 7, 2015 at 10:22 pm

    @Davebo: Mr. Russell would also like a word with you. (Plus, Russell and Michael Jordan were golfing buddies, and Bill was the only guy who could talk trash to His Airness and get away with it “Six rings? Only six, Mike?”)

  37. 37.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Although I loved Russell, and couldn’t stand Wilt, I’m not sure Bill was better. Certainly a better leader (both on and off the court), but as a straight-up player? A little tougher to call. (No, I’m not arguing for Wilt.)

  38. 38.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Now you’re just trolling.

    You say that as if it’s a bad thing.

    Actually, it was for your benefit, thought you might appreciate a little levity.

  39. 39.

    Davebo

    December 7, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    @SFAW: Of course.

    3830 blocked shots and a post game that seriously competes with Kareem.

  40. 40.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Russell was a better defensive player, but he also had better teams around him.

    ETA: No, I’m not forgetting the Lakers with Baylor and West, although that team played the Russell Celts for only one season..

  41. 41.

    The Thin Black Duke

    December 7, 2015 at 10:35 pm

    @efgoldman: Thing is, unlike Wilt, Russell never cared about stats, only winning. “They don’t pay me to score”, he once said.

  42. 42.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    @Davebo:
    Wasn’t looking to argue, just checking to see if I had guessed right. (No, I’m not taking your reply as arguing.)

  43. 43.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke:

    Thing is, Russell never cared about stats, only winning. “They don’t pay me to score”, he once said.

    As I said, he was a leader.

  44. 44.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    And in case anyone cares: the Evil Twins are tied at 6. I’m amazed that BOTH teams missed the PAT – what are the odds on THAT?

  45. 45.

    Davebo

    December 7, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @SFAW:

    It’s OK. I’m biased because I lived a block from the old Summit (now a giant church) at the time Hakeem lead the Rockets to two championships. Oddly enough now I live a block from Toyota Center where the Rockets have been stinking it up this season!

  46. 46.

    Davebo

    December 7, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    @SFAW: The odds are much higher this season!

    I like the rule change. I’m amazed coaches haven’t just decided to go for two on each TD.

  47. 47.

    Heliopause

    December 7, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    As I was just remarking here at home, ain’t nothin’ better than watching Kirk Cousins and Matt Cassell lead field goal drives. The rest of you can have your damned Brady and Rodgers and Manning and Brees throwing for candy-ass touchdowns, give me a good, old-fashioned, NFC East, Madden and Summerall field goal throwdown any day.

  48. 48.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 7, 2015 at 11:02 pm

    @The Thin Black Duke: Wilt did his job. If it was to score, he scored. If it was to get boards, that’s what he did (6,000 more than Kareem.) If it was to provide assists, that’s what he did (the only center to ever lead the league in assists.)

  49. 49.

    Heliopause

    December 7, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    See? A missed field goal. You never know what’s going to happen in a FG kicking contest. Is this game great or what?

  50. 50.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    December 7, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!

  51. 51.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 11:08 pm

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Roger.

  52. 52.

    Heliopause

    December 7, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    So Dez lays out and snatches a bomb and sets up a tasty 20 yard field goal. God, this is better than sex.

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    @SFAW: The canonical version would be “Roger, Roger.”

  54. 54.

    Betty Cracker

    December 7, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    Tied at 9-all. What a snooze fest! Luckily for me, I just got a Roomba, so I’ve had something interesting to watch this evening. It’s brilliant. Poor little robot is earning its keep in this hog wallow; I’ve had to empty the crud catcher three times. The dog hair alone will keep it busy. Speaking of dogs, mine haven’t been all that interested in the Roomba. I’d feared the worst.

  55. 55.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    December 7, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    I’m rooting for Dallas, because it increases the odds of having a 6-10 NFC East champion.

  56. 56.

    max

    December 7, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    @Heliopause: The rest of you can have your damned Brady and Rodgers and Manning and Brees throwing for candy-ass touchdowns, give me a good, old-fashioned, NFC East, Madden and Summerall field goal throwdown any day.

    I still remember a Thanksgiving game back in the 70’s when the Cowboys beat the Bears 10-9. It was actually a good game.

    max
    [‘Tough game for sure.’]

  57. 57.

    fh

    December 7, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    Look, it’s no contest. Dallas wins because then it means the NFC East is knotted up with three teams at 5-6 and the Cowboys at 4-7. I just love a tight competition for the Division lead – so much excellence comes out.

  58. 58.

    max

    December 7, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    Crap. Correction, Thanksgiving 1981.

    max
    [‘Monday. Sheesh.’]

  59. 59.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Hunh?

  60. 60.

    Onkel Fritze

    December 7, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    Question from a non-American occasional football-watcher.

    Why is Dallas in the NFC East ?

  61. 61.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 7, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    @Onkel Fritze: Because reasons.

  62. 62.

    redshirt

    December 7, 2015 at 11:31 pm

    @Onkel Fritze: Tradition at this point. The league used to be smaller.

  63. 63.

    A Humble Lurker

    December 7, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    OT But is anybody else watching the Daily Show? Holy shit.

  64. 64.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @Onkel Fritze:

    Why is Dallas in the NFC East ?

    Unfortunately, it was part of a deal the NFL made to keep Texas from seceding. Thanks, Obama Goodell!

  65. 65.

    redshirt

    December 7, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    And so I’m sure you all will be thrilled to learn I’ve made my fantasy playoffs. Crazily I was bouncing from 5th out of 16 to 9th out of 16 depending on tonight’s game. Than you late touchdown Darren McFadden!

  66. 66.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @A Humble Lurker:

    But is anybody else watching the Daily Show? Holy shit.

    As we used to say to our kids: “Words. Use your words!”

  67. 67.

    SFAW

    December 7, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @redshirt:

    Than you late touchdown Darren McFadden!

    I used to love him in “Mike Hammer.”

  68. 68.

    MomSense

    December 7, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @raven:

    Ali, he’s the greatest.

  69. 69.

    CaseyL

    December 7, 2015 at 11:39 pm

    This is a completely wacko game. I wasn’t paying much attention until Washington’s No. 11 ran 40 yards mostly backwards and sideways on a kickoff return, and then fumbled the ball. Then they score a TD to tie the score. Now Dallas is steaming down the field with 30 seconds left in the game. Crazy.

  70. 70.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    December 7, 2015 at 11:41 pm

    @MomSense: You don’t get to go around calling Joe Frazier an Uncle Tom and be the greatest.

  71. 71.

    Heliopause

    December 7, 2015 at 11:45 pm

    @Onkel Fritze:

    Dallas is east of Forth Worth.

  72. 72.

    max

    December 7, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    Well, that was ugly. I expected Washington to light up the Dallas defense what with how bad they’ve been lately, but not so much.

    I guess the one thing you can count on – no matter how terrible (in any sense) Jerry Jones and the Cowboys might be, the Racial Epithets will somehow to be even more awful.

    max
    [‘It’s like there was some ancient Native American curse was on the team or something.’]

  73. 73.

    Onkel Fritze

    December 7, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    @Heliopause:

    I think that’s an ugly rumour and the only reason you can get away with it is that nobody really knows where Fort Worth actually is.

  74. 74.

    redshirt

    December 8, 2015 at 12:02 am

    @efgoldman: Nice story. I can picture the “olden times”. Did you have little brown bags of peanuts, slicked back hair, and cigarettes?

  75. 75.

    fh

    December 8, 2015 at 12:05 am

    If Dallas beats Washington at home in the last game and they are in a 3-way (or 4-way) tie for the Division title then they own the tie breaker. I’m rooting for a 6-10 Dallas team to take the crown!

  76. 76.

    Anoniminous

    December 8, 2015 at 12:05 am

    @Onkel Fritze:

    I think that’s an ugly rumour and the only reason you can get away with it is that nobody really knows cares where Fort Worth actually is.

    FIFY.

  77. 77.

    Mike J

    December 8, 2015 at 12:25 am

    @efgoldman:

    In ’59 it was Celts vs Lakers. I was in 8th grade. Celts 173-Lakers 139 I kept the stub for decades.

    I saw game one of the ’85 Celts/Lakers final at the (old/original/one true)Garden. No Bob Cousy, but a hojillion hall of famers in that game, and the Celts won in a blowout. I don’t even like basketball that much, but that was one I was glad I went to.

  78. 78.

    Doug R

    December 8, 2015 at 12:30 am

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k2igwohrh_s
    Kareem just can’t get respect sometimes.

  79. 79.

    Doug R

    December 8, 2015 at 12:32 am

    Canucks score. Vrbata gets a hat trick. Now 5-2 :)

  80. 80.

    Doug R

    December 8, 2015 at 12:39 am

    @Heliopause: If you like field goals, you’ll love the cfl.

  81. 81.

    Mike J

    December 8, 2015 at 12:54 am

    @efgoldman: Not just the Celts, look who was playing for the Lakers in that era too. Kareem, Parrish, Magic.

  82. 82.

    Mike J

    December 8, 2015 at 1:13 am

    We’re losing a lot of people because of the internet,” Trump said. “We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people.”

  83. 83.

    piratedan7

    December 8, 2015 at 1:14 am

    still think the Big O was the best, but not many people have seen him play

  84. 84.

    redshirt

    December 8, 2015 at 1:17 am

    Kareem scored the most points, and no one is likely to take that record away from him. In a game where you win by scoring more points, I think that makes him the best player ever.

  85. 85.

    2liberal

    December 8, 2015 at 1:27 am

    @redshirt:

    Kareem is the best professional basketball player of all time. That tops Ali’s titles IMO, though it is close.

    I can’t believe a Boston fan would say something like this.

  86. 86.

    Amir Khalid

    December 8, 2015 at 1:35 am

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar isn’t just a legendary basketball player, of course. He’s become an accclaimed writer in his later years, and when I think of him, “writer” comes to mind more easily than “athlete”.

  87. 87.

    Peale

    December 8, 2015 at 1:38 am

    @efgoldman: he’s the best Buck of all time, though.

  88. 88.

    Peale

    December 8, 2015 at 2:01 am

    @Onkel Fritze: so that there will be two Cowboys vs. Indians games each season. The NFL knows the power of rivalries. No matter what happens, the Packers-Bears-Vikings will always be in the same division. raiders-Chiefs-Broncos and steelers-Browns. cowboys-Redskins-Giants. There’s a marketing gimmick between Washington and Dallas involving their mascots.

  89. 89.

    SFAW

    December 8, 2015 at 8:15 am

    @redshirt:
    This again? That’s like saying that Pete Rose was the bestest player EVAH because he had the most hits, or Barry Bonds was because he had the most home runs, or Cy Young for wins, or Rickey Henderson for all sorts of stuff, or Mario Mendoza for greatest number of negative references.

    When we all know that the true answer is:

    Rod Kanehl.

  90. 90.

    SFAW

    December 8, 2015 at 8:16 am

    @efgoldman:

    Yeah, the Big O was all kinds of awesome. Wish I could see him play today.

  91. 91.

    SFAW

    December 8, 2015 at 8:18 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    and when I think of him, “writer” comes to mind more easily than “athlete”.

    That’s crazy talk. What the hell kind of ‘Murican are you?

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