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— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) December 7, 2015
Hey, it’s science: “This occurs because the automatic nervous system decreases salivary flow during times of stress, which of course dries out the mucous membranes of the mouth.”
So the conventional wisdom seems to that Marco Rubio — who came up with that line about “every old person’s idea of a young person”? — is now the GOP Establishment’s candidate of choice. Since JEB! can’t rise above a fistful of polling digits, Rubio’s the young dude who’ll distract fickle voters from the Trump travelling circus and the revival tents of Trump’s mini-Me Ted Cruz, before outlasting old lady Clinton in the general-election marathon. And if Rubio is flavor-of-week, be assured that Politico is all over the truly significant biographical details…
In May 2008, when Marco Rubio retired as Florida’s House speaker, he bid his colleagues farewell with a passionate defense of American exceptionalism. Standing on the floor in front of the speaker’s rostrum, Rubio invoked boatloads of refugees washing up on American shores, quoted John F. Kennedy and lauded political dissent.
“It’s honestly one of the greatest political speeches I’ve seen in my life,” said Republican operative Gregg Keller. “To this day, I can’t watch it without getting a lump in my throat.”
But youthful charisma wasn’t the only aspect of Rubio’s delivery that has stuck with Keller. “He’s got this ice,” recalled the veteran operative. “He’s got this water in this cup that’s got ice and it’s making weird noises.” Indeed, video of the speech shows Rubio halting mid-delivery at dramatic moments to reach down to a table in front of him and take noisy swigs from a Styrofoam cup…
… [T]he water tic has persisted and remained noticeable on the campaign trail this fall, drawing comment from those who have worked with and watched the Florida senator. Like Richard Nixon’s perspiring or John Boehner’s crying, Rubio’s need for constant hydration is a bodily quirk that impinges on his political life.
The 44-year-old senator takes care to ensure the availability of water at his public events and can be particular about how he takes it. His advance team has mandated exact requirements for the vessels he will drink out of: stemless glasses — not stemmed ones or water bottles. He reaches for it constantly during public remarks. Its absence has thrown off his delivery, and he and his campaign have acknowledged its presence by attempting to turn it into a joke. On the trail, he has even asked hecklers to time their outbursts around his breaks for it.
“Marco does have a water thing,” said one longtime Rubio associate who has been affiliated with his past campaigns. “I don’t know what it is. He says he just gets thirsty, but it’s clear it’s just a nervous tic. It’s something he just has to have around, like a security blanket or something.”…
As Rubio’s standing in the 2016 nomination fight has improved, Donald Trump has seized on the senator’s bodily functions, repeatedly calling attention both to Rubio’s drinking and to his sweating. “Rubio, I’ve never seen a young guy sweat that much. He’s drinking water, water, water,” Trump told ABC News in September. “I never saw anything like this with him, with the water.”
On Fox News, Rubio responded to the attacks, “I drink water. So what? And I only sweat when it’s hot.”
But people who have worked with Rubio said sweat has also been a distraction for him. “You hear Donald Trump make fun of him for it. But he’s onto something,” said Rubio’s longtime associate. “I don’t think Marco sweats that much more. But Marco thinks he does. He’s always wiping, wiping, wiping sweat — even if he’s not sweating. It can drive you crazy if you’re watching him closely.”…
It’s never possible to know when or if there’s any forethought to Trump’s nonstop Gish Gallop campaign, but he’s the right age to remember when every media outlet from the NYTimes to MAD Magazine was mocking 1960 candidate Dick Nixon’s on-air perspiration oubreaks.
And in modern GOP theology, Nixon is the once-promising young star who would badly damage the Repub brand, first by compromising with the DFH Democrats, and then by cutting & running from impeachment rather than destroying all available evidence and sticking with the Big Lie. It’s not that they mind being lied to; they just don’t want someone who’s going to break down when confronted with evidence that he’s lying.
I guess the question would be: Is Politico so dumb they failed to make this connection while chasing Win the Morning, or are they willing to help shiv Marco?
Also, Marco wins the ‘biggest ears’ contest. Easily.
As someone who drinks water all the time, this is the least of my Marco Rubio worries.
The Red Pen
I think I know what’s going to be in an upcoming Trump/Cruz attack ad: Rubio lurves him some refugees.
Tailgunner Cruz is currently galloping past Trump in Iowa polling.
H2O for Rubio! Stat!
“This bullshit is making me thirsty…”
@goblue72: This was mentioned on Meet the Press, along with the idea that to some Republican grandees, Cruz is as undesirable as Trump, and yet Cruz could come out of the primary elections with a boatload of delegates.
Cruz is like a nasty mash-up of Nixon and McCarthy. Rubio sweating and drinking water is insignificant. All the more so if Trump mentions it.
another day, another BJ HTML change?
it’s damn near impossible to keep the pie filter up to date, yall!
For some reason, we’re getting “Comet TV” on our television; lots of low-budget 1980s sci-fi monster movies. So I can’t help but see Rubio’s defensiveness about his sweating and water consumption as a clue to his reptilian alien true identity.
When he’s off camera and away from the crowds he sleeps in a full immersion tank. For breakfast, aides toss raw fish and fish guts into the tank.
Under the hot lights of a TV appearance, he sweats profusely, takes frequent gulps of water, and rejects the concept of man-made climate change. “it’s only… natural for sea levels to rise. It’s something good, not something to be combatted… or feared…” If aides fail to bring a fresh water bottle, he panics and his tongue darts hungrily from side to side.
He wins the GOP nomination and beats HRC easily in the general. Then, on the day he is sworn in, he pulls off his “human” mask and reveals his true face: The Creature From The Black Lagoon.
@cleek: I for one welcome our new… oh, forget it.
I still don’t see how Rubio is going to win the nomination. The non-politician faction (Trump/Carson/Fiorina) has been hovering a bit above 50% for months, and Cruz is in low double figures. None of those anti-establishment voters are very likely to go to Rubio, which really maxes him out at 35%, 40 tops. On top of that, he’s about 3rd/4th in Iowa and at best a distant 2nd in New Hampshire. He’s supposed to pick up voters from Bush, but Bush is unlikely to drop out before Florida. And even though there isn’t that much left to pick up from Bush, 4% would still be a useful boost for Rubio to get at least a decent finish in one of the early primary states.
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I guess water drinking is what left when it’s not about policy or goverance.
@Brachiator: I’d be more worried about Candidate Cruz than Candidate Trump vs. Hillary.
@goblue72: Only one poll so far, although no completely unexpected. Cruz is picking up Iowa evangelical voters who are leaving Carson, who is apparently too far out there even for Iowa. Carson btw is now 6th with the bookies, behind Christie. Although the bookies still have Rubio as the favorite, something I can’t really work out (see above).
Since I’m already tired of the election, we watched “A Very Murray Christmas” on Netflix last night. If you’re expecting anything other than a bunch of fun cameos and cover tunes, you’ll be disappointed, but we really enjoyed it. My personal favorite was the three-way cover of “Fairytale of New York” between David Johanssen and Jenny Lewis, with Murray chiming in wherever he felt like it.
@goblue72: So the choice is going to between the one who’s hot temper breaks everything so it can’t be fixed vs. the one whose cold calculations will break everything.
@The Red Pen: “Rubio invoked boatloads of refugees washing up on American shores” so is Candidate Water Water there’s a Refugee in my Sippee Cup! (Aka Candidate Cruise) going to solve the problem by drinking the coasts further away from ‘Merca?
@cleek: You’re back. Lot’s of people were looking for you this weekend!
I’d be much more worried about a PRESIDENT Crud than a Trump. I believe that Ted Crud is so unlikable that he couldn’t hid it during the general election. That creepy thing he emits would kill him deader than Trump.
That either of them (well, lets be honest ANY of those clowns) stands any kind of chance to hold the office says some really scary things about the state of out nation & causes sleepless nights.
@scav: Boatloads of refugees washing up on our shores?
You mean, like, Cubans?
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): I really liked Murray in “Saint Vincent” and hope the guy who wrote and directed it makes many more films.
i was right where i always am: on the couch with a beer
Was “Long Live Our Love” the first pop song dedicated to the guys fighting in Vietnam?
I’ve just given up on the pie filter until the site settles down again. It’s annoying to see the trolls again, but I can survive.
@GoBlue72: You’re right — What a bullet was dodged when Elián González was universally shooed from our shores by the brave brave vigilant Republicans.
photo-shopping dildos into GOP gun-toting photos.
Iowa Old Lady
In Panera at lunch time, I sat next to two old guys complaining about entitlements. Reagan was right, they said. The govt is the problem. It makes people dependent. Then they moved on to complaining that they didn’t get a social security raise this year. You can’t make this stuff up.
hmm. looks like i already caught up with this iteration of the BJ HTML. i had an old pie filter installed.
i can’t even keep up with myself.
might as well drink.
OT.. My mutt thinks he’s a cat. He catches mice and fortunately only one bird that I know of. He sleeps in the sink and now he just attempted to take the garland off of the mantle. ugh..
@Germy: Yeah, that could have easily been movie of the week material, but he and McCarthy elevated it somehow. The kid was good too.
Theme music for Rubio campaign?
Bad linky. Fix.
Theme music for Rubio campaign?
Mike in NC
Back when NY Governor Mario Cuomo was thinking of running for president, prominent Republicans ridiculed the idea that Americans would vote for a guy with a funny name like “Mario”. Has that changed?
@NotMax: Perfect choice.
@Mike in NC: I remember, in 2007, being told by a co-worker that we’d never have a president with a vowel at the end of his name.
@a href=”https://balloon-juice.com/2015/12/07/stockpile-lying-makes-marco-thirsty/#comment-5581457″>Mike in NC
Is it any funnier than Millard?
Okay, I feel like everyone is in on this but me, but am going to finally ask anyway. Who is Bob Schooley and why are his Twitter opinions so important?
Good, but I like This One better.
@JPL: Does he chase himself?
I saw a Rubio PAC ad on TV the other night and it made me laugh out loud. It seemed more like a parody of political ads then something designed to persuade anyone of anything.
Looking at that picture of Rubio at the top, one wonders if Marco was elected president could he stay awake long enough to actually do something.
@goblue72: Too many variables to do much guessing about Hillary vs GOP X matchup. More ISIS related attacks in the US could shift voter sentiment to the detriment of any Democratic Party candidate.
This would also work against Trump.
Well hello there. Good to see you here.
@Iowa Old Lady:
One regular commenter on my local newspaper online complains constantly about government welfare, but slipped once and admitted he collects social security and medicare.
I think he hopes no one noticed.
The Drinking Man’s Diet
Mike in NC
Cruz will win the GOP primary Iowa because he panders to the religious nuts, and is several shades lighter than Carson. Can’t see him doing much in NH, which will likely give Trump the nod.
Well there’s the problem: he needs a manual.
Iowa Old Lady
@Germy: What these two old guys added was that it was their money and the gov’t won’t give it to them. I suspect that’s what makes them think their govt checks are different.
They were malcontents in general. They bitched that University of Iowa didn’t know how to win a conference. Also things would be better once Obama was gone.
@Brachiator: There’s probably an entirely calculating reason why Hillary has been amping up the “KILLZ ALL TERRUHRISTZ!1!!” talk lately.
@Iowa Old Lady: do they heckle the muppets?
To be fair to Nixon, he never thought he’d be caught, so why bother hiding evidence.
By the time Reagan took office, they figured out how to insulate the President, but couldn’t insulate the other people involved in illegal activities from prosecution (though Bush, Sr.’s pardons of the band of criminals solved that little problem for them).
By the time Bush, Jr. came along, the Republicans knew how to game the system and make sure there was no damn evidence anywhere that could point back to people in power.
I shudder to think the crimes they are coming up with to commit, if another Republican gets elected, because they should probably perfect the ability to destroy the country and still retain power by then.
Iowa Old Lady
@Germy: That is so apt.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Pierce has a transcript (partial) from Trump’s appearance on CBS yesterday. I’ve always been kind of interested in Trump’s speech patterns and bizarre word choices (asked about the draft, he said he had “an incredible number”. What the hell does that even mean?). but seeing it all written out, it’s a Palinesque word salad.
At one point, he seems to be inching toward agreeing with Obama that people (he says “the press”, I would say “Republicans”) shouldn’t be building Daesh up to something between SPECTRE and Voldemort’s Death Eaters
Did you see the Grammy nominations today? I’m a little surprised it squeaked in under the deadline when the play itself got pushed to next season’s Tony nomination period. Still, very cool!
@Germy: no.. phew.. He’s part dog. He’s under 25 pounds and has taught me some pretty good habits. Clean the counters and table of all food items, and close the bathroom doors. He walks across the back of the sofa in order to get to the chair.
Our cats always use the back of the sofa as a kitty freeway. We have it pulled a little too far away from the wall right now and poor Keaton slipped between the wall and the back of the couch while he was napping. We managed to rescue him, though.
@Germy: They don’t think that’s inconsistent. They understand it like so: _they_ get back what they earned through virtue and hard work, which is not at all the way it works for Those People, who demand unearned handouts and act ungrateful yet dependent. This is the core ethos of the Republican Party. No one is going to argue it out of them.
I’ve always assumed he’s just some dude on Twitter that AL thinks is funny, but I’ve never been interested enough to fully investigate.
Politico, via Anne Laurie @ Top:
I think it’s probably the listening to Rubio that’s driving him crazy, and not the sweat-watching.
I hadn’t seen them yet, but will check them out shortly. He was “sleep tweeting” the other day.
tears for fears:
If you like that era of Murray, you’ll probably like the holiday special. It’s less goofy 80s Murray and more 2000’s cranky old man Murray.
Screenwriter. Mostly Disney stuff.
Gin & Tonic
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: asked about the draft, he said he had “an incredible number”. What the hell does that even mean?
Il Donaldo’s draft lottery number was 356. This was, indeed, an incredible number – incredibly lucky, as in he would not have been called up with that number. The callup in the first lottery was only up to 195.
I think his dad is the one who takes the sleep tweeting pictures. Probably in revenge for the videos LM posts of his dad belting out show tunes in the car.
One of the people I work with has the talent of being able to sleep just about anywhere, which comes in very handy for the amount of international travel she does. I suspect LM may have the same talent, which would also come in handy on Broadway. That 20-minute nap in your dressing room could be the difference between a good performance and a bad one.
@Iowa Old Lady, @Germy:
“Social Security is not an entitlement! I earned it!”
That’s what their answer would be. Like somewhere in Washington there’s an individual account with Joe Blow’s name on it. Or like it would matter to the Republican politicians who want to get rid of it.
I really don’t get how wingers can hear their politicans talk about getting rid of entitlements but somehow miss hearing them talk about also getting rid of—or “reforming,” i.e., slashing— Social Security.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Trump, who yesterday told John Dickerson we should fight ISIS with intelligence and being better at the internet– by which he probably meant propaganda, and I agree– now says we must block all Muslims from entering the country. The next step, when some minion whispers in his ear that the Farook was born in Chicago….?
Xanax makes me thirsty, too.
What, ya can’t say “X anax” in here?
I take it in his opinion the letters ‘e’ and ‘y’ are not vowels, so James Monroe, William Mckinley, Millard Filmore, Franklin Pierce, John Kennedy, and Calvin Coolidge are exempted.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@kc: all the farm-a-suit-ickles trigger the filter, I believe
@gene108: I don’t think he meant that.
He meant “ethnic”. Not Pierce or Coolidge.
We stopped working together before ObamA was elected; I wonder how he feels about that election.
Actually, based on his conversations, I can guess…
@Steeplejack: That mentality bugs the heck out of me. It was set up as retirement insurance.
I have a friend who taught for two years and doesn’t qualify for benefits. She of course, can access half of her husbands social security but she still complains. Back then she probably paid a thousand in to the program.
@Steeplejack: They see it on their paycheck right there – the taxes taken out for “their” Social Security and Medicare. They really do think its supposed to go in some special account for them and not be “stolen” by those politicians in D.C.
The messed up thing is they are half right. If only there was a candidate who ran for President on a platform including a Social Security / Medicare “lockbox”….
@JPL: Yeah, but it ain’t insurance anymore. That time has LONG LONG LONG since passed. We don’t do ourselves any favors as progressive by going down that rabbit hole.
Social Security is – at this point in its program life and forever more – a public pension program, not much different than the public pension systems in most developed nations. Which is why with the death of the country’s PRIVATE pension systems, its entirely appropriate for progressives to be talking about INCREASING Social Security benefits.
@goblue72: Increase and expand.
Nope. The vowels in question are A, I, and O — the Italian and Hispanic ones.
Italians — the original scary terrorist ethnics! Just ask Sacco and Vanzetti, if you have your Ouija board handy.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: What does that even mean? Someone needs to tap him on the shoulder and remind him how many Persian Gulf Princes own pied a terres in his complexes. No more Muslim students? No more tourists? No one can visit a relative?
@Peale: I’m just surprised it was the Muslims he wanted to ban first, I would for sure thought he would have talked about banning Hispanic Immigration from South and Central America unless they could prove certain ‘things’, like income and education level.
Haven’t you heard of the new strategy from Jeb?
That’s right–time to CARPET BOMB everyone but Trump into motherfucking oblivion on the airwaves. Mike Murphy will be bringing out the “big guns” including some old-school Lee Atwater style “dirty tricks” to make Jeb into the only establishment candidate left in the race. After that, uniting the establishment (and the donors) behind him he can take on Trump one-on-one, crushing him by taking in all non-Trump support.
Let the GREAT CARPET BOMBING begin!
@BlueDWarrior: Maybe its because the Muslims are sending their best, unlike the Mexican government who is emptying their country like its the Mariel Boatlift part 2. The Mexicans, I assume, are now just a subgroup of Muslims in general.
So Jeb is going to be dropping money bombs from his magic carpet?
Love it! I needed a laugh at the end of this day. But will Julie Adams now be the First Lady?
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): It’s the new antigravity-equipped Brinks truck!
‘Relax’ has successfully predicted ten of the last zero !Jeb resurgences.
Far more than half. SS admin encourages that thinking by sending letters that say: Based on what you have earned ( for your account) you will get $X/year from SS.
Well, !ebsJ got the bombing down pat, but I think he’s overhyping his carpet because he’s really acting more like a doormat.
“Money bombing” is a great way to put it!
All the billionaires will unite behind bush and by their powers combined Trump will be utterly fucking crushed in negative ad campaign the likes of which has never been seen before. anti-Trump infomercials, anti-Trump video games, anti-Trump mass mailers, oppo research, dirty tricks, even a full-length feature film anti-Trump documentary coming to a theater near you…there’s no limit to what the donors can buy.
Thus, Trump will be forced either to (1) quit the race or (2) actually spend some of his own billions. If he chooses number 2, he’s getting into an arms race he can’t win. The REAL billionaire class can outspend him 50-to-1 should they so choose.
U can’t hide UR secret 2nd family forever, marco
@gogol’s wife: Julie Adams! I haven’t thought of her in years!
@David Koch: U can’t hide UR secret 2nd family forever, marco
Jeb’s team will see to it.
His new pseudonym reminds me of this 80s classic (warning: uncensored video).
It’s unusually open-minded of the troll to be so gay-friendly. Maybe we’re starting to rub off on him. No pun intended.
Marco loves families so much, he couldn’t stop at just one!
@Relax: I like your new name. It reminds me of the Frankie Goes to Hollywood song.
@goblue72: What has Clinton said that is more belligerent than the options laid out by Obama?
Well, I’m home with a bout of pneumonia. This is not fun.
What’s the over/under on any GOP candidate going explicit/implicit genocide during the primary season?
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):Maybe this will be Jeb’s new campaign song.
We’re twinsies! ?
You all are misunderstanding my name.
It comes from Aaron Rodgers. Everyone thought the Packers were done at 2-2 and he told everyone to R-E-L-A-X relax. You all need to have the same mindset with Jeb. He’s like the Packers last year, or Seahakws this year–slow start but strong finish will be the name of the game. The “joyful tortoise” is slow, steady, and will win this race.
@? Martin: I wouldn’t put it past Cruz to say something along the lines of “We need to build special bomb factories for the express purpose of making bombs for bombing the Middle East”
It gets the point across while avoid direct language.
Does anyone here remember Helen Morgan? Quite a torch singer.
Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will regret its absence.
Ooh, I love her in Show Boat. Nobody can do “Can’t Help Lovin That Man o’Mine” or “Bill” like her! Why do you ask?
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): Oh, god. I’m so sorry.
Nobody seems to be paying attention to the long game.
Trump and Carson are toast, for obvious reasons. Notice that Trump fared badly the more substantive the debates got. Onstage, facing a serious candidate like Hillary, Trump wouldn’t last ten minutes. So he’ll be gone after Super Tuesday. Mr. “ancient Egyptian pyramid granaries” Carson won’t do any better, so he’s already history. That leaves Rubio and Cruz and Jeb.
Cruz is so widely hated by his own party that he’s got no chance. The people who run the Republican party will change the rules in the primaries, if necessary, to prevent Cruz from getting the nomination. And now Rubio is getting the full Swift Boat treatment from the Bush knife-in-the-back ratfvcking machine:
“A month ago, Jeb Bush’s campaign gave a presentation to potential donors warning that Marco Rubio was “a risky bet” in an attempt to push potential support away from Bush’s former protegé. They hinted that Mitt Romney’s campaign had vetted him for a potential spot on the ticket and had been scared off from offering it. (..)
As if that last-ditch attempt to sling mud hadn’t backfired enough, McKay Coppins reveals that this has been a months-long effort to hit Rubio with a so-called “zipper problem”…
Source: “Did Team Jeb try smearing Rubio to derail his presidential bid?” 30 November 2015.
Coincidentally (JUST a coicidence!), Rubio’s campaign is now bedeviled by financial problems.
Source: “Marco Rubio’s Career Bedeviled by Financial Struggles,” The New York Times, 9 June 2015.
Conclusion? Team Bush is trotting out the old whisper campaign to smear Rubio and the donors are running away, leaving his short of money. Jeb, by contrast, has a big donor base locked up, and they’re not running even though his poll numbers are shit:
Source: “Jeb Bush is convincing donors the polls are wrong,” Politico, 4 December 2015.
This is smart strategy on Jeb’s part. All he has to do is Swift-Boat Rubio’s donors and then hang in there until Trump and Carson self-destruct. Then only Cruz and Rubio will have the potential to derail Jeb’s nomination, and with Cruz deeply hated by most Republicans and Rubio successfully smeared as a guy with a “zipper problem” in his past, Jeb expects to stroll to the nomination.
And he may well pull it off.
@gogol’s wife: While I read comments, I listen to old music on youtube. Her name came up on a playlist, and I’m watching clips of her movie appearances.
She looks like someone from present day who wandered back into an old movie.
They apparently made a biopic of her. She was THAT famous.
Yes, it is, except that the sciency people call it the autonomous nervous system, not the automatic one.
I drive a shift.
Sorry, dude. You are already inextricably linked with Frankie Goes to Hollywood in all of our minds since it was the first thing we all thought of. Embrace it and grow the Freddie Mercury-esque porn ‘stache.
Hey, what are you, some kind of nucular physicalist or something?
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): The party of multiple-family values.
Search YouTube for the Lena Horne rendition of “Can’t Stop Lovin’ That Man.” It will make you sad for what never was (because of course the Production Code forbade an actual black woman from playing a mixed-race woman).
Someone gets it finally. Yes, the smears are coming for Marco…ask John McCain what happens when you go up against a Bush. We’re going old-school Atwater/Rove style on Rubio’s Cuban ass.
She was YOOOGE! Have you watched that “Can’t Help Lovin'” scene yet? It’s fabulous. Not just Helen Morgan, but Paul Robeson and Hattie McDaniel, and Irene Dunne doing the shuffle! I can watch that a thousand times a day.
You don’t drive the autonomous nervous system, it drives you.
Could you two get a room? This is a family blog!
@gogol’s wife: I’m watching it right now.
Don’t do it. When you want to go to it.
When you want to come!
Nooooooooooo, I think this one is a lost cause, buckaroo…
I think we have Jeb’s new campaign slogan.
@Brachiator: She’s been more all-in at an earlier point in time than Obama on intervention – and its not secret her foreign policy statement have been aggressive than Obama.
Like Monroe, Fillmore, Pierce, Coolidge, and sometimes Kennedy?
J R in WV
@Gin & Tonic:
Well, my number was two digits. Either 72 or 27, but I got a “report for a physical” letter in February, after the first lottery drawing. So no difference between the two in my book.
That’s when I enlisted in the Navy, which seemed like a better deal than the Army/Marines. Dry beds with AC as opposed to wet holes in the ground. Granted the AC didn’t work that well in the tropics, but still. No shooters in my experience, just hard work.
@J R in WV:
Somebody here once said that their dad picked submarine duty during Vietnam, because he knew the odds were very, very low that he would have to shoot anyone.
Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz were in their early 30s when we began fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even though they seem to feel strongly that wars in the middle East are a good idea, it appears as if they didn’t volunteer.
I saw grandmothers (civilians) on the fobs in Iraq, doing their bit. I hate overfed chickenhawks. Both of them should go spend some quality months on a fob in Afghanistan. Maybe they would grow up.
In much the same way that people who respect individual identity and try not to offend through stereotypes really ought to avoid mocking Bobby Jindal’s birth name, I advocate avoiding making fun of Rubio’s sweat issue. The sweaty brown immigrant is too much of stereotype edging into slur. If you’re tempted to use it, think twice. We’re better than that we liberals.
The thirst is fair game.
@J R in WV: My father-in-law got a draft letter though he was supposed to have an educational deferment. He says he pestered somebody about it, was told he’d be in Vietnam long before anything could be done about it.
So he enlisted in the Navy. And later that day, he got a letter saying, never mind about the draft, he had an educational deferment. But he’d already signed up. So he spent the war somewhere inside a destroyer tender.