Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Marge, god is saying you’re stupid.

Dumb motherfuckers cannot understand a consequence that most 4 year olds have fully sorted out.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

There is no compromise when it comes to body autonomy. You either have it or you do not.

Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

This blog will pay for itself.

Let’s delete this post and never speak of this again.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Second rate reporter says what?

With all due respect and assumptions of good faith, please fuck off into the sun.

Not so fun when the rabbit gets the gun, is it?

Come on, media. you have one job. start doing it.

“Jesus paying for the sins of everyone is an insult to those who paid for their own sins.”

At some point, the ability to learn is a factor of character, not IQ.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

This chaos was totally avoidable.

Giving in to doom is how authoritarians win.

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Donald Trump, the leading contender to become the Republican party’s nominee for US presidential candidate, has called for a “total and complete shutdown” of the country’s borders to Muslims in the wake of the San Bernardino terrorist attack.
[…] Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said Trump’s proposed ban would apply to “everybody”, including Muslims seeking immigration visas as well as tourists seeking to enter the country.

The obvious next question concerns the Muslims still in the country. Perhaps there’s some kind of facility where they could be housed in the interim?

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  1. 1.

    Germy

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    “Obama said in his speech that Muslims are our sports heroes. What sport is he talking about, and who? Is Obama profiling?”

  2. 2.

    Bobby Thomson

    You’re going to give Jake “I literally owe my media career to dating Monica Lewinski” Tapper a sad.

    Besides, I have it on good authority from Salon that those contradictions need heightening. Hitler apparently wasn’t enough, so . . . .

  3. 3.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Noah Rothman ‏@ NoahCRothman 36m36 minutes ago
    In a swoop, Trump proves Obama right, creates a media narrative about Rubio being naive about conservative bigotry, and is back in the news.

    Here’s hoping…
    ******

    Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said Trump’s proposed ban would apply to “everybody”,

    Even Prince Bandar Bush?

  6. 6.

    Feudalism Now!

    Trump needs to double down on the hate after being called out as a coward by the PotUS last night. The 27% will gobble this up and the media will tut tut the “divisiveness of politics”, but there will be no pushback. I keep expecting to see a new black shirt arise in this country, maybe wearing trucker hats to “Make America Great Again”?

  7. 7.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Germy: as somebody pointed out on twitter today, Trump got the Muhammed Ali Award (whatever the hell that is) about ten years ago.

    ETA:@Feudalism Now!: Trump needs to double down on the hate after being called out as a coward by the PotUS last night.
    And of seeing an IA poll that showed him falling behind Cruz

  10. 10.

    Betty Cracker

    Okay alleged Decent, Reasonable Republicans: Here’s your opportunity to reject indiscriminate bigotry. (All three of you!)

  13. 13.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    Side Bar Question: does this include US citizens like the San Bernardino shooter; if a US citizen who professes Muslim faith* leaves the US, should they be denied reentry?

    * Presumably by screaming “I hate America”

  15. 15.

    Villago Delenda Est

    I’m thinking that Obama should get working on those FEMA camps that all the wingnuts are so busy pissing their pants about. To put people like Trump in to protect the lives of Americans who happen to be Muslim.

  16. 16.

    BGinCHI

    What percentage of Germans in the 1930s believed that Jews were a real and present danger to the German way of life?

    I hate to Godwin the thread so early, but the current GOP is operating at such a high level of xenophobia I’m not sure what else to compare them to. Mexicans were/are taking over. Now Muslims are a threat that demands we make national policy decisions after exactly TWO people shoot up a place of employment after taking advantage of the very laws for gun acquisition propagated by the pants-pissers who are pissing their pants over it.

    Next…what…black teenagers in hoodies? Wait, we had that one.

    If these are the death throes of the older white male GOP establishment then they are impressively awful.

  17. 17.

    dmsilev

    So, um, all Muslims currently in the country will need to wear something to identify them? Like, say, an armband with a crescent on it?

    Sigh. It feels dirty even to make dark jokes about this sort of thing.

  20. 20.

    Keith G

    Good on Mr. Trump. He doesn’t disappoint. Although, I would have rather he waited a bit longer before reaching this deep into the bag of crazy.

  21. 21.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: It used to pretend to be a PUMA, now that HRC is the likely nominee, it’s come out as a pure troll, and not a little racist

  23. 23.

    BlueDWarrior

    I swear to God this man will actually call for the ghetto-ization of Muslims in their own ‘communities’ for their own ‘protection’.

    I’m just surprised he’s not doing it to anyone else.

  26. 26.

    Thoughtful Today

    There is NO “Full Donald”.

    There is NO “Peak Wingnut”.

    Crazy can _always_ get crazier.

  27. 27.

    Bobby Thomson

    @Betty Cracker: Kasich will continue to complain about this but I’m not sure he or Christie (the other logical person to talk about it) will even make it to more debates. Paul should but his brand of liberty is only for white Christian people. This actually would give Bush an opportunity to look tough except that, well, it’s Jeb.

  28. 28.

    Brachiator

    So, how much higher will Trump rise in polling as a result of saying this fatuous BS?

    This loser is nothing if not consistent.

  29. 29.

    Kryptik

    @BlueDWarrior:

    I swear to God this man will actually call for the ghetto-ization of Muslims in their own ‘communities’ for their own ‘protection’.

    I’m just surprised he’s not doing it to anyone else.

    Yet.

  31. 31.

    cmorenc

    @mistermix:

    The obvious next question concerns the Muslims still in the country. Perhaps there’s some kind of facility where they could be housed in the interim?

    There’s lots of empty rooms at the Trump Hotel & Casino in Atlantic City. We could start there, and fan out for vacant rooms at other Trump resorts. Those muslims could hardly complain being put up as prisoners at posh Trump resorts, feeding off the luxurious buffets (except they might have to take pork off the menu).

  32. 32.

    David Koch

    And… now…. it’s Spring Time for Trumpy and ‘Merca.

    They’re marching to a faster pace,
    look out here comes the whiter race.

  33. 33.

    Brachiator

    Meanwhile, Jeb! can’t fix his own site:

    the long-standing feud between Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump and GOP rival Jeb Bush escalated on Monday, with a site with the former Florida governor’s name redirecting to Trump’s campaign website homepage.

    A site with the domain name JebBush.com redirects to the real estate mogul’s official presidential campaign page, donaldjtrump.com, and features Trump’s slogan with options to support or donate to his campaign.

    (From the verge and other sites)

  34. 34.

    cmorenc

    @BGinCHI:

    I hate to Godwin the thread so early, but the current GOP is operating at such a high level of xenophobia I’m not sure what else to compare them to. Mexicans were/are taking over. Now Muslims are a threat that demands we make national policy decisions after exactly TWO people shoot up a place of employment after taking advantage of the very laws for gun acquisition propagated by the pants-pissers who are pissing their pants over it.

    The upside is that Trump/GOP-fanned xenophobia against Mexicans and Muslims as moved racist resentment against Ni-clangs! into distant (though still disrespectable) third place.

  35. 35.

    SRW1

    @BGinCHI:

    What percentage of Germans in the 1930s believed that Jews were a real and present danger to the German way of life?

    27 percent. I have that on good authority.

  36. 36.

    Brendan in Charlotte

    @SRW1: Tyson needs to re-enact his big scene in “The Hangover” using The Donald as his co-star – complete with the Phil Collins song…

  37. 37.

    Arm The Homeless

    @Baud: It’s a lulzy drive-by. Does the same thing in Hotair, from time to time. It’s one of the breed that really does go away if you starve it: lazy trolls with very little material.

  38. 38.

    BlueDWarrior

    @cmorenc: Just wait until the next ‘justified homicide’ by a cop against an unarmed black person. If there is a significant protest, the anti-black racists on the ‘net will come back out in droves.

  40. 40.

    SteveinSC

    I want to join the soon-to-be-organized Drumpf Einsatzgruppen Ost (fur furher und reich, naturlich.) Die Endlosung der Moslemfrage. I bet they have really Great uniforms and Yoo-ge rallies.

  42. 42.

    peach flavored shampoo

    Because no one ever, espcially those wanting in to harm us, could easily just lie about their practiced religion. Is he planning on demanding lie detector tests for every single visitor at every point of entry?

  44. 44.

    scav

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That wager of “peace” and uppity wimminz? The one promoting education? du-uh. Peace-mongers are unchristian and very much not wanted in these here Taking Their Country Back States-Rights States.

  45. 45.

    shinobi42

    All assholery aside….

    This is unconstitutional as FUCK. Where are the 2nd amendment fans now?

    Does Trump trump the constitution now?

  48. 48.

    jl

    @peach flavored shampoo: Jeb? has already gone there wrt to refugees, saying that the US should only admit Christian refugees from Middle East and Afghanistan.

    And Jeb? has told us, when asked exactly how that would be accomplished, he said something like ‘Aw c’mon, you can tell, you can tell.”

    So, the whole GOP contestant field is a walking talking national disaster waiting to happen.

    Not much real difference between Trump and Jeb? in terms of spouting total BS, or how noxious their proposals are.

    Edit: and I hope most general election voters are sane enough to see how this kind of BS puts Trump front and center for the next few days on Daesh and al Qaeda recruitment posters.

  49. 49.

    cmorenc

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone):

    Not really — for most conservatives, “Muslim” is code for “n!gger.” They’re picturing this action taking place on the South Side of “Chi-Raq,” ifyouknowwhatImean.

    I’ve overheard some folks refer to swarthy-skinned people of Arabic ethnicity as “sand Ni-Clangs”, in exactly those words.

  50. 50.

    BlueDWarrior

    @shinobi42: Short answer, yes.

    Long answer: the Consitution is only good when it comfirms their existing biases and wants. So the second amendment means “I can buy any and as many of whatever weapon I want”, the fourth amendment means “jack squat”.

  52. 52.

    Benw

    @peach flavored shampoo: brown skin tells no lies. Haven’t you seen our own Muslim usurper in chief? The only headache for the border agents when denying a brown person entry would be deciding which box to check next to the DENIED stamp: does their brown skin “look” Muslim or Mexican. (Snark snarkity snark)

  53. 53.

    jl

    @BlueDWarrior: Bitter, angry and pants-shitting-scared rage-a-holic white male bigots age 35 and over, but if over 65 not members of commie organizations like AARP. I suppose there is a way to test all that.

  55. 55.

    bemused

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    That’s a much better idea.

    The Fema camp conspiracy thing sure has had a long life. The Fema Camp Truthers have been on this through at least three presidents’ terms. I don’t know if it goes back further than Bush and Clinton.

  58. 58.

    Gin & Tonic

    @SRW1: Reminds me of my favorite line of Mike’s: “everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.”

  59. 59.

    goblue72

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): They aren’t allowed to openly say “ni**er” anymore, so they’ve switched to screaming about “Mexicans” and “Mooslims” and “thugs”. As long as the object of their hate is brown, that’s all they care about.

    Day is gonna come when they aren’t in charge anymore. I just hope I live long enough to see it so I can revel in their comeuppance.

  61. 61.

    Baud

    @jl: I don’t know. I’m concerned to hear that Bernie’s supporters read Time magazine. ;-)

    Good for him.

  63. 63.

    goblue72

    @BlueDWarrior: “We needed to go over there, basically, and take out a very big stick right in the heart of that world and burst that bubble.… What they [Muslims] needed to see was American boys and girls going house to house from Basra to Baghdad and basically saying “Which part of this sentence don’t you understand? You don’t think we care about our open society? You think this bubble fantasy, we’re just going to let it grow? Well, suck on this!” That, Charlie, is what this war was about. We could have hit Saudi Arabia! It was part of that bubble. We could have hit Pakistan. We hit Iraq because we could.” – Thomas Friedman, May 30, 2003, on the Charlie Rose show.

    The past is never dead. It’s not even past.

  64. 64.

    ? Martin

    @Southern Beale: Well, once you get the public on board with banning Muslim immigrants, you can then trail-balloon internment camps for the Muslims that are here, and then right onto the boxcars.

    That why the poem works:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    It warns of a gentle escalation from one group to the next, with each step concentrating support into a smaller and smaller population who is increasingly protected from future actions. That’s exactly how the GOP designs their strategies – from restricting voting rights to reducing political power of certain groups. Each success makes the next success slightly more likely because those who retained power were unaffected and are more likely to support the next restriction of rights.

  65. 65.

    goblue72

    @Baud: The only people who read Time Magazine are 70 year old white retirees. You know, Bernie supporters.*

    (* I kid, I kid. I’m a Bernie supporter and nowhere close to retirement age.)

  66. 66.

    p.a.

    @cmorenc:

    The upside is that Trump/GOP-fanned xenophobia against Mexicans and Muslims as moved racist resentment against Ni-clangs! into distant (though still disrespectable) third place.

    Pretty sure no one’s told Officer Friendly.

  67. 67.

    burnspbesq

    @shinobi42:

    Where are the 2nd amendment fans now?

    In their universe, the Second Amendment is the entire Constitution … well, also the part of the 14th that the Supremes relied on in McDonald to apply their bizarre interpretation of the Second to the states.

  70. 70.

    bemused

    Trump gets his Muslim knowledge from Frank Gaffney’s conspiracy think tank. Just wow. Batshit crazy Gaffney.

  71. 71.

    Gin & Tonic

    @? Martin: That’s exactly how the GOP designs their strategies – from restricting voting rights to reducing political power of certain groups.

    I think this thread has been pre-Godwined, but I’m reading Timothy Snyder’s Black Earth. I know his conclusions are not universally accepted, but what’s really coming out so far is the extent to which the “Final Solution” came about in large part due to the destruction of normal modes of civil government.

  73. 73.

    scav

    @p.a.: They don’t have to say anything, just claim they are frightened in order to freely let their bullets do the talking for them.

  74. 74.

    Liberal With Attitude

    @BGinCHI:
    My concern is that there doesn’t appear to be any upper bound on the hate.
    I am not seeing any point at which the shot callers of the insurgency would draw in the reins and say “Out Of Bounds”.

  77. 77.

    Peter

    Perhaps there’s some kind of facility where they could be housed in the interim?

    You’re making a subtle allusion. At this point, facing this level of ego and hatred, ‘subtle’ is next to useless.

    Shout it from the fucking rooftops. Trump is greasing the slope to pogroms and concentration camps, and he’s doing it for just for the attention.

  79. 79.

    goblue72

    @Liberal With Attitude: Judging by the numbers of people perfectly willing to “comment” racist crap as themselves via Facebook connected comments section to the digital editions of newspapers, magazine, online media, etc. etc. – I’d say a lot of white people these days feel quite emboldened to let out the inner hate monsters they’ve previously kept hidden.

    There’s no upper bound to hate. It just grows and grows and grows until it consumes everything and burns the whole world down.

  80. 80.

    Turgidson

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Don’t worry. Ron “Severe Dementia” Fournier will be up with some rock-solid analysis about how Trump’s offensive blather only happened because Obama’s speech wasn’t leader-leader-leaderly enough.

  81. 81.

    Turgidson

    @shinobi42:

    I’m sure others have already made this point, but, right-wing dolts don’t give a flying shit what the Constitution actually says. They just prattle on about it in order to condemn whatever Obama wants to do that day or when they have one of their unhinged pants-pissing nightmares about the government confiscating their guns. It’s just a prop to them.

  82. 82.

    Bill Arnold

    @Thoughtful Today:

    Crazy can _always_ get crazier.

    Deep crazy is the kind, where when one engages with it, there is a resulting sensation of hairs standing up on the back of the neck. So far, D. Trump hasn’t done it for me.

  84. 84.

    SiubhanDuinne

    I can no longer laugh at Donald Trump. I have several dear friends who are Muslim, and it just makes me sick to my stomach to think what their reaction must be when they see and hear this kind of unhinged ranting. I’m sure they know what Jews felt like in the Europe of the late 1930s, and for the same reasons.

  85. 85.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Southern Beale:

    I’m confused. I thought Farook was born in Illinois? So how does this help?

    A friend-of-a-friend on FB reposted a meme about how Farook wasn’t properly “vetted.” I have a strong suspicion that for hardcore nativist righties ISIS = Syrian refugees ~= Mexicans. THEIR BROWN AND DANGEROUS HERE THEY COME!

  88. 88.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: Yeah! Fuck anyone who would mess with our friend Amir! There aren’t enough rusty pitchforks in the world.

  89. 89.

    Bill Arnold

    @Southern Beale:

    I thought Farook was born in Illinois? So how does this help?

    In the new order, Farouk does Hajj, but as a Muslim, is denied reentry into the U.S.
    Problem solved. We would not be preventing American citizens from performing their religious duty, just denying them reentry after they do so. (I feel sullied just typing that.)

  90. 90.

    Tim C.

    @Liberal With Attitude: That’s because it seems Frankenstien’s monster has slipped out of control. It’s been a very long time coming, but everything from the “Southern Strategy” to the creation of alternate conservative media to the way the internet has totally allowed the craziest parts to the base to whip themselves into a fury has built to the point where the old powers that be simply don’t have the ability to get the low-info xenophobes to vote the way they are “supposed” to. The question is if the crazy base voters propping up Trump in the polls at the moment “blink” the way enough Dean supporters did in 2004 and go with someone else instead. We won’t know till crunch time I think.

  92. 92.

    Mike in NC

    Trump must have seen where Cruz has passed him in the Iowa polls, so he’s cranking the xenophobia up to 11 to regain ground. There’s really no downside for him, and it’s doubtful any of the klown kar competition will criticize his idiocy.

  93. 93.

    Germy

    @Tim C.: Jeb’s people and friends in the media are busy in the editing room working on a Dean Scream for Trump. Lately, every network news piece on Trump is negative. It never used to be like that. I think they’ve decided to take him out.

    I hope he tears up his contract and runs third party, and takes his Trumpettes with him.

  94. 94.

    MomSense

    @dmsilev:

    I know. We are literally in gallows humor territory. This is what happens when power hungry people manipulate fear and hatred for their own gain.

  96. 96.

    bemused

    @JPL:

    Gaffney is the creeping sharia law taking over America guy. That’s his specialty but no doubt he’s got a lot more lunatic theories.

  97. 97.

    Peale

    @Bill Arnold: the immigrant in this case was Farooks wife. Trump is basically making sure that the state has a special interest in prevebting spouses from moving to the U.S. If you want to marry outside the country, you need to stay away.

  99. 99.

    scav

    @MomSense: These are our neighbors. They have always been our neighbors. They’re just letting the social mask slip a bit, given encouragement.

  101. 101.

    RaflW

    Via the NY Post

    In a statement issued by his campaign Monday, Trump said polls show “great hatred towards Muslims by large segments of the Americans population”

    Oops. I think I got that quote backwards. But at least as much, if not more so, correct this way. A sad and frightening time for our country. And not that big a departure from other frenzies of hatred, xenophobia and fear-peddling of the past.

  102. 102.

    Jager

    Is the plan to round up the Muslims with the yooge bank accounts, own businesses, banks, the developers, the ones who invest in the movie and TV business. The ones who own estates in Beverley Hills, 20 million dollar condos in NYC, the ones who drive Bentleys and Ferraris? Or just the loser Muslim who owns a dry cleaners, a butcher shop or a used car lot? I hope Trump can explain this because I’m confused as hell.

  105. 105.

    Benw

    The Full Donald is also how Trump refers to himself after a particularly large meal: “The Full Donald’s gonna take a dump and then join the ladies in the limo!”

  106. 106.

    goblue72

    @SiubhanDuinne: Agreed.

    Friend of mine from law school is a Pakistani-American born in the good ole U.S.A. Grew up in one of the Mountain States. Highly devout Muslim. (I’m being vague here out of paranoia as he has worked a semi-high profile job in DC in the past.) Parents are small business owners, owning multiple business – immigrant success stories.

    He’s a former national defense Republican (much like our blog host, the Bush years disgusted him and he’s now an Obama fan.) Earned a highly prestigious Truman scholarship to pay for grad school. Served with a prestigious NGO in DC working on international conflict resolution and rule of law. Spent a couple years in Afghanistan in Kabul working to help the Afghani government try to establish a modernized legal system. Advised NATO on various legal issues involving the intersection of U.S., international and Islamic law. Current fellow with a public university law school, focusing on U.S.-Islamic comparative law.

    As a good Muslim, has been to Mecca for the Hajj. Always fasts during Ramadan and complains how hungry he is for a peanut butter sandwich on Facebook for moral support from friends. His views on Islam could probably be described as 180 degrees opposite of whatever the fundamentalist clerics are preaching. He is also a Denver Broncos fan but I forgive him for that.

    He recently had to attend the funeral of a relative who passed away at age 20. While at the funeral at the cemetery, a some white rednecks drove by in a pickup truck, shouted “F&ck you rag heads!” and then shot their guns in the air.

    I know who the loyal Americans are. And who aren’t.

  107. 107.

    bemused

    @Peale:

    Wouldn’t be surprised but I haven’t paid attention to his ravings for a long time. He really is a creepy kook, certifiable, imo.

  108. 108.

    Felanius Kootea

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques: Don’t be silly – Donald would have US Citizens who are Muslims and are stupid enough to fly out of the country deported to Mexico when they try to return. And he’ll get the Mexican government to pay for it.

    Plus he’ll put Salman Rushdie, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Mohamed El-Arian, Elias Zerhouni, Keith Ellison, Cat Stevens, Aasif Mandvi, Hasan Minaj, Dave Chappelle, Lupe Fiasco, Mos Def, Q-Tip, and Dr. Oz in concentration camps. What’s not to like?

  109. 109.

    geg6

    The clown I was laughing at suddenly has become Pennywise. And it’s not funny any more. This country may not be salvageable. Nixon broke it, Reagan smashed the pieces and W and Darth Cheney nuked the remaining shards. Obama has done superhuman work to try to reverse the damage, but we probably won’t survive another GOP president, whether Trump or Cruz or Rubio. We’re doomed. I just hope some country is willing to take us refugees in when the time comes.

  110. 110.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    MSNBC reporter at Trump rally: crowd divided between “Fuck yeah!”s and “No comment but I’m still gonna vote for him”. I bet if you could count, the former would be the larger group.

  112. 112.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Jeb Bush, who said we should only admit refugees who can prove that they’re Christian, thinks Trump is unhinged.

  115. 115.

    sandtu2001

    We have some friends visting from Australia. They told us they know of at least 6 other couples they know were thinking about a trip to the US but cancelled due to fears of guns. Now perception>reality but how f’d up is that. USA!

  120. 120.

    Villago Delenda Est

    @sandtu2001: Their media is no less craven than ours when it comes to “if it bleeds, it leads”. I’m sure most of the world thinks the streets of every American town or city is a shooting gallery.

  121. 121.

    Matt McIrvin

    @goblue72:

    Day is gonna come when they aren’t in charge anymore.

    Are you sure about that?
    I said a while back that I figured they might clamp down hard on democracy once it became clear that whites were headed for minority status. We could end up like apartheid-era South Africa, or antebellum South Carolina.

  122. 122.

    Matt McIrvin

    @sandtu2001: Their chances of getting killed by guns when in the US are really quite low, but what they should be worried about is being arbitrarily detained and abused by US border authorities.

  123. 123.

    jg

    i’d enjoy hearing the views of old folks in Germany or German academic historians wrt Trump . not that it would make any difference to trump or his fans. shame has left the building.

  124. 124.

    AlladinsLamp

    Dick Cheney (RINO)

    Former Vice President Dick Cheney blasted Donald Trump’s Monday call for a “total and complete shutdown” of all Muslims from entering the U.S., saying it goes against the foundation of religious freedom.

    Appearing on “The Hugh Hewitt Show,” Cheney argued that the proposal “goes against everything we stand for and believe in,” adding that his comments follow a “mistaken notion.”

    “I think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion goes against everything we stand for and believe in,” Cheney told Hewitt. “I mean, religious freedom’s been a very important part of our history and where we came from.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cheney-trump-muslim-ban-goes-against-everything-we-stand-for/article/2577831?custom_click=rss

  126. 126.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @The Ancient Randonneur: the last person to do that IIRC was John McCain, when he suspended his campaign to save the economy in ’08, and the Bush White House humored him with a big photo op meeting. McCain had no ideas to offer and sat there like a potted plant. Cheney and Obama started tag-teaming him about how eager they were to hear his ideas.

  128. 128.

    mclaren

    @AlladinsLamp:

    Former Vice President Dick Cheney blasted Donald Trump’s Monday call for a “total and complete shutdown” of all Muslims from entering the U.S., saying it goes against the foundation of religious freedom.

    Appearing on “The Hugh Hewitt Show,” Cheney argued that the proposal “goes against everything we stand for and believe in,” adding that his comments follow a “mistaken notion.”

    Oh, I get it. Cheney doesn’t want to ban all muslims from entering the United States. He just wants to assassinate them while they’re abroad.

    “Right now, today, there was a story in the New York Times that if you read it carefully mentioned something known as the Joint Special Operations Command — JSOC it’s called. It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently. They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. They did not report to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or to Mr. [Robert] Gates, the secretary of defense. They reported directly to him. …

    “Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that its leaders, a three star admiral named [William H.] McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths.

    Source: Seymour Hersh interview in March, 2009. The New York Times article is innocously titled “U.S. Halted Some Raids in Afghanistan.”

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    mclaren

    @geg6:

    The clown I was laughing at suddenly has become Pennywise. And it’s not funny any more. This country may not be salvageable. Nixon broke it, Reagan smashed the pieces and W and Darth Cheney nuked the remaining shards. Obama has done superhuman work to try to reverse the damage, but we probably won’t survive another GOP president, whether Trump or Cruz or Rubio. We’re doomed.

    This is wild panic. Calm down. Take a breath.

    Donald Trump is not going to be the next president. Neither is Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio or Ben Carson.

    The next president will be a Democrat, and this country is going to move forward and reclaim its soul.

    Hear it now, believe on 20 January 2016.

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    Another Holocene Human

    @Gin & Tonic: Yeah, I’m not sure I agree. Germany’s arch conservative judiciary made a decision to rubberstamp the treatment of Jews under the regime early on, and that decision emboldened the Nazis. Without the judiciary, perhaps the invasion and Einsatzgruppen would have gone along as planned but the ethnic cleansing inside Germany would have ground to a halt. In fact, there were times in Germany even very late where certain actions were stopped by angry citizens. Niemoller wasn’t pissing in the wind. There were a lot of break points.

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