Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

They traffic in fear. it is their only currency. if we are fearful, they are winning.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

If you’re pissed about Biden’s speech, he was talking about you.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

I did not have this on my fuck 2022 bingo card.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

… pundit janitors mopping up after the GOP

Only Democrats have agency, apparently.

This really is a full service blog.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

If senate republicans had any shame, they’d die of it.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

Bark louder, little dog.

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I was promised a recession.

Thanks to your bullshit, we are now under siege.

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Apparently Carly just endorsed HRClinton:

Fiorina: ‘If you want something done, ask a woman’

Fiorina says “talking tough is not the same as being strong.” She says “first-term senators who have never made an executive decision in their life” don’t belong in leadership positions.

Then she quotes Thatcher:

Margaret Thatcher once said, if you want something talked about, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman.

From US opinion editor Megan Carpentier:

Carly Fiorina’s opening statement started off well, and then she sort of went off the rails, declaring she’d been ‘tested’ for the presidency by being called ‘every B-word in the book’ and having breast cancer and burying a child and having started as a secretary and having people be mean about her candidacy.

But if people calling a woman a ‘bitch’ is part of qualifying for political power – and it might be – then every woman in the US over the age of about 12 is on the way to qualifying for the presidency.

From Guardian US columnist Jeb Lund:

Fiorina is now advocating the surprisingly anti-Libertarian message that the federal government should finally have the right to be just as controlling and invasive of citizens’ private lives as employers are of their employees’.

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251Comments

  1. 1.

    Debbie

    Twitter just told me Carly said Petreus was forced out because he told Obama what he didn’t want to hear. Is this woman ever able not to lie?

  4. 4.

    Mnemosyne

    If Adam or NotMax show up, direct them down to the LV Pre-Debate thread, where I’m still debating if I should get a top sirloin roast or a top round roast for Christmas dinner for 7. Anyone else with an opinion is free to chime in.

    (I wanted a rib roast, but Holy Mother of God was that shit expensive. Like $100 for the size I needed.)

  9. 9.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Mnemosyne: Do something else, then, if you don’t want to spring for the rib roast. Those other roasts will suck. A crown roast of pork is less expensive, but just as “festive.”

  13. 13.

    Elie

    To tell you the truth, Ron Paul has made the most sense up there tonight. He just said that if we want WWIII we can elect Christie. Also said that we need to elect someone with “judgment”.. How about that? Judgement.

    Christie calls Obama and Hillary “reckless”.

    Jeb — well — doesn’t do much…

  17. 17.

    Gin & Tonic

    @Mnemosyne: For 7 people you’ll need 4 ribs, and you’ll have some left over. That’s 9-10 pounds. Around Christmas-New Year’s time my local large supermarket chain has them on sale for $6.99; I doubt you’ll find it for less. You’re still in this for $60-80.

  19. 19.

    SFAW

    @Mnemosyne:

    These are Whole Foods prices,

    Which is part of the problem. However, there is a potential solution! But first, I need to ask a couple of questions:
    1) Do you own your home?
    2) If so, how much equity do you have in that home?
    3) If more than 40 percent, a Home Equity loan might be just the thing for a Whole Foods rib roast.

  23. 23.

    Betty Cracker

    @Mnemosyne: Don’t go to Whole Paycheck! I serve rib roast every Christmas, and the only time I paid $100+ for a roast is when I had to get a gigantic one to serve 14 people. Maybe go to a local butcher shop and see if you can get a better deal.

  24. 24.

    Baud

    Are the questions in all of the GOP debates pretty much the same? I feel like I’m not learning about any new horrors.

  28. 28.

    SFAW

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Ron Paul?

    Sure. Considering the levels of idiocy demonstrated by the ones who are actually speaking, Ron Paul’s silence makes him look like a relative genius. Well, no, not a genius, but smarter than the rest of them.

    For now.

  33. 33.

    Elie

    @BobS:

    And you know this how?…

    Please — lets keep it from those kind of observations. There is plenty to talk about outside of that

  35. 35.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 8m8 minutes ago
    That Iran “causes” ISIS is maybe the dumbest thing Christie ever said.

    Jesus, did he really?

  37. 37.

    Mnemosyne

    @Betty Cracker:

    I haven’t been super impressed with the Safeway or Kroger meats, which is what the other supermarkets are around here. I’d have to do some digging to find an actual butcher shop these days. Rents are high around here, sadly.

    ETA: Pavilions = Safeway around here.

  39. 39.

    gogol's wife

    @Mnemosyne:

    The rib roast is usually worth the money — guests love it.

    I’m going with brisket because it’s a lot cheaper, but it’s a lot more work.

  40. 40.

    Suzanne

    Bitch is the new black, right?

    I was really hoping that when Jeb and Trump started going at each other that Jeb would just go over there and punch the Short-Fingered Vulgarian right in the face. His poll numbers would go up, and I might even develop a modicum of respect for him. Seriously. Just beat the shit out of each other. It’s more honest than the mendacious spew coming out of their mouths.

  41. 41.

    SFAW

    @BobS:

    Fiorina has the look and disposition of a woman who’s never had an orgasm.

    WTF?!? Asshole! Of COURSE she had an orgasm once!

    Unfortunately, she got it from laying off about 30,000 HP employees.

  45. 45.

    gogol's wife

    I chose Wolf Hall over Wolf Blitzer, and my blood pressure is thanking me. Love the 16th-century CPR scene.

  54. 54.

    Elie

    The reason it seems so long is that NOTHING IS HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It is boring, lame, uninformative, non-entertaining,

    thank goodness its the last Republican debate. Waste of time.

  58. 58.

    Baud

    @Elie: Last debate of 2015. There are more. But I agree. I thought the changes in the polling would make this debate more interesting, but it’s the same old, same old.

  60. 60.

    Betty Cracker

    @Mnemosyne: We’ve got Publix, which is fabulous, and Winn-Dixie, which has decent beef. But I get my rib roast from a little family owned butcher shop, which is a tad pricier than the supermarket but not nearly as expensive as Whole Foods. Here’s a photo from a previous Christmas feast.

    ETA: Second G&T’s advice about bone-in roast. It adds to the flavor, IMO.

  64. 64.

    Suzanne

    “FECKLESS”.
    OOOOOH, rush POTUS to the burn unit.

    Rand Paul is the least crazy person up there, and that is terrifying.
    I guess a dogshit sandwich might taste slightly better than a bullshit sandwich. This is the kind of subtle distinction to which I have to resort at this point.

  67. 67.

    Baud

    I give up. Hammer time turned into wet noodle time.

    If anything interesting happens in the last half-hour, I’ll read about it tomorrow.

  72. 72.

    Felonius Monk

    @gogol’s wife:

    It’s a brisket-and-cranberries recipe I got from the NYTimes

    Sounds interesting. Care to share?

    I find brisket very easy to prepare. Ten minutes prep time, then a few hours in a slow oven. Done.

  75. 75.

    Elizabelle

    You guys are more brave than me. Have not turned the TV on all evening. Studiously avoiding the GOP debate. It’s appalling those weasels are even running.

  77. 77.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    @Mnemosyne: I know other people can make a round (top round of eye of round) into good eats, but it’s a bit of practice. Top sirloin roast, tho, is worth a certain amount more per pound for the results, personally, and depending on the shop, the difference can be small given how expensive cheap stuff is lately.

    A standing rib roast? I have no experience with that.

  81. 81.

    Suzanne

    @Central Planning: I don’t know. Cowshit smells worse, but maybe that’s just because it’s larger. Anyway, the point remains that this is the level we’re at. Le sigh.

    @SFAW: I really like the word “feckless”. I try to use it frequently.

    OOOOH, someone mentioned Dijbouti. I wonder if any of them know where that is.

  84. 84.

    Elie

    Its all grievance.

    No vision, no confidence, no strength. All negative — all loss, depletion — all fear, obsession about perceived weakness.

    I know Obama must regret not running against any (or all of these mofos).

    Losers — every-single-one.. How fitting that the most popular is an old, fat has been businessman with spittle flecked harangues targeted to old ladies in the Midwest. Thanks to him, THAT is the America the world is now seeing… red faced, swollen, angry and ready to shoot itself in the foot at every turn.

  85. 85.

    dr. luba

    I am now convinced that the Ben Carson campaign is just a direct mail fundraising scam. I got a large packet in the mail from them yesterday, including a large photo of the doctor himself, suitable for framing.

    I have no idea what sort of mailing list they are using, but when they send it to someone who gets junk mail from every democratic, liberal and environmental group in the country and votes a straight D ticket……

  92. 92.

    Baud

    @Elie:

    I know Obama must regret not running against any (or all of these mofos).

    To be fair, Obama got his fair share of losers to run against. McCain had a shot at being respectable, but, you know, Palin.

  96. 96.

    Helen

    Did Carson just say that we should make Europe dependent on us for energy? While he was talking about Putin?

  99. 99.

    Elie

    They are so behind the times in advocating for an increased military from the hardware standpoint. Yes, we need strong defense. Our strongest defense is economic, not military. Our leadership in forming coalitions, not making enemies and destroying things. We need to lead in business, IT and research in new modalities.

    I feel as though we are looking at some retro human species that failed to evolve. They do not seem to project anything modern or forward looking.. Only retro fear… No one looking at this in the rest of the world will follow the US anywhere if one of these are elected…

  104. 104.

    Elie

    @BobS:

    But that has nothing to do with her capability of having orgasm.

    Like trying to judge your efficacy at work by estimating the last time YOU got off. Unrelated.

    Please — are you really that — un-enlightened?

  106. 106.

    Thoughtful Today

    Yes…

    Hillary Clinton reminds me Margaret Thatcher.

    Militant, callous, and willing to gamble her nation’s future for her own political advancement.

    Still, best Republican out there, absolutely.

  107. 107.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne: I’m here. I’ve put up two follow on responses to what you asked me about in the warm up comments. I’m cutting and pasting them here:
    Okay, that helps a bit. And $100 for 4 ribs is nuts. Here’s what I recommend. Get a brisket. Get a whole one in the cryovac. Do not have them open it or trim it. I can’t speak for prices where you’re at (California, right?), but down here I can get a whole brisket for no more than $60. It will easily feed the seven folks you’ve got coming when you throw in the other items you’ll be serving. I usually go to Costco for my briskets, and I don’t know if that’s an option for you. I won’t set foot in Whole Foods, but that’s just me.

    Another option, if you can get to a Costco/have a Costco membership, is to get a rib primal. It’ll come cryovac and depending on whether you get Prime or Choice it’ll run you between 60 and 110. Basically you’ve got both ends and the middle of the rib. I’ll occasionally get one and cut it into about 7-10 ribeyes and then freeze them until I’m ready to use them. You can cut this in half at and use half of it as a standing roast, it just won’t have the bones, which really doesn’t make that big a difference. And then either cut the remainder into steaks or freeze the other half until you want to roast it.

    Another option would be to roast a leg of lamb. Depending on how big you go, and whether you go bone in or boneless, it should run between 40 and 60ish.

    A final option would be to see if you can get a good price on a whole beef tenderloin. Here too Costco is a good place to get it. If so you can make Beef Wellington without too much trouble. Just get some puff pastry sheets and decide on how you want to season the meat or go with the reverse sear method of cooking it low to start, then letting it rest, then blasting it for about ten minutes at 500 to give the outside a nice crust.

    If you let me know what you think you want to do, I can probably recommend how to prep and cook.

    PS – I made the small (one bone) standing rib roast this evening. I tried the reverse sear method that Goblue72 had linked to in the comments last night. It worked well, and I have pics for a future post, but I do need to get a new and good quality meat thermometer! I had to basically wing it by time… Came out fine, but not what you want to do with that type of meat preparation.

    Another option is to make stracotta/Italian pot roast. Its actually quite an elegantly done dish. You’d likely need to double or triple my recipe, but it should still be affordable.

    And Not Max had the following suggestions:
    Dunno if you are a member or are near Costco (or have a buddy who is), but pretty sure their holiday price on prime rib roast was $7.99/lb. unseasoned, $8.99 pre-seasoned.

    Eye Round Roast can still be found (may take some searching) at the regular market at $3.99 – $4.99./lb.

    Both top sirloin and top round roasts can vary in quality so much depending on the market, the supplier, whether flash chilled or not, etc. that it’s become a dice roll, at least here. That and the modern propensity to remove as close to 100% of the fat as possible. Gotta have some for flavor and tenderizing while cooking.

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Elie: There is the possibility that BobS has never given a woman an orgasm, so that might give him some knowledge on the topic.

  111. 111.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Damn, I hate it when one of these people makes me briefly like them

    John Harwood ‏@ JohnJHarwood 32m32 minutes ago
    Paul to Christie: kind of leader who’d start a war is same kind who’d shut down a bridge to hurt political enemies

    I’m surprised the Bully Boy didn’t explode right there on the stage

  113. 113.

    Adam L Silverman

    @gogol’s wife: Not really much more work. Unless you’re slow smoking it. I can give you a slow roasting method that requires about 15 minutes of prep, about 4-6 hours of cooking time depending on weight, and it’ll melt in your mouth once you serve it.

  116. 116.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    This is a lie. This must be a lie. A damned lie.

    daveweigel ‏@ daveweigel 2m2 minutes ago
    We’re at the halfway mark, folks #CNNDebate

  117. 117.

    Elie

    @Baud:

    Yeah, but Trump would be like bagging one of those 600 lb wild boars they have running around feral in the south. Can’t eat the meat cause its riven with worms, but they are dangerous and tear up farmer’s fields. so retrieve good bounties. Like Trump, wild pigs are smart and vicious, but in the end are still pigs without a world view, so to speak.

  127. 127.

    Elie

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Possibly. It does connote a certain inexperience. It is such a shallow measure for the whole broad, very rich range of a woman’s response to her partner, no?

  128. 128.

    danielx

    Wretched hive of scum and villainy, indeed. I actually had to look up that quote, since I figured it was a Hunter S. Thompson description of Las Vegas or the ’72 Republican Convention. But it does have a nice ring to it.

  130. 130.

    oldgold

    Listening to Cruz speak reminds of a young classmate of mine, who with the teacher out of the room, jumped up and scraped his front teeth across a chalky blackboard.

  132. 132.

    Betty Cracker

    Rubio sounds so stilted. It’s like his speeches are written by an old-fashioned children’s book author.

  133. 133.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): The local grocery near me, a Publix, has a parking lot that scares me more than driving around in Iraq. There are the people not watching where they’re walking. There are the people in a hurry. And there are the people from the foyer to G-d’s waiting room…

    Basically its a death trap!

  138. 138.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): More seriously, when you make a decision, hit me up in the comments and I’ll be happy to try to assist with recipes. Or, if you’d prefer, feel free to email Cole, AL, or Richard Mayhew and tell them to give you my email address and then just get with me offline.

  139. 139.

    GoBlue72

    @Mnemosyne: I’m embarrassed to see the $100 price tag and think “how cheap!”

    The perils of living in the Bay Area. Everything comes at a premium. The four bone, 13 pound rib roast I bought this week is an arm and a leg.

  141. 141.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Thoughtful Today: Okay, I’ll assume good faith because we are trying a new era of comity, but I would ask you to please post links showing parallels between the “it takes a village” lady and the “there is no such thing as society” lady. Aside from them being accomplished women….

  143. 143.

    Adam L Silverman

    @GoBlue72: So I tried your reverse sear on the one I made this afternoon/evening. Worked very well, so thanks for the rec. I have pictures for a right up tomorrow. As I wrote two posts ago: I need a new, quality meat thermometer as I had to wing it by time. Everything came out perfect, but not my preferred way of doing this.

  144. 144.

    Mike J

    Related to rock n roll documentaries, I was reading Sarah Vowell’s latest on Lafayette. She says that 4000 people showed up at the airport to greet the Beatles from a population of 7 million. 80,000 showed up at the port to greet Lafayette out of a population of 120,000.

  145. 145.

    GoBlue72

    @Adam L Silverman: Winging it with prime rib? You’re braver than I. Esp when sizing down the roast to a single rib. That’s needing to stick the Nadia landing for a perfect 10 on the dismount territory.

  147. 147.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Again: More seriously, when you make a decision, hit me up in the comments and I’ll be happy to try to assist with recipes. Or, if you’d prefer, feel free to email Cole, AL, or Richard Mayhew and tell them to give you my email address and then just get with me offline.

  148. 148.

    danielx

    @Mnemosyne:

    If you can live with pork at all and don’t want to take out a home equity loan for beef, you can always fall on Paul Prudhomme’s Cajun Pork Loin Roast. Very festive, most very tasty, and leftovers for sandwiches are to die for. Get one that’s 5-6 lbs and tied together so you can untie and place a layer of the holy trinity (green pepper, celery, onions) in the middle and retie……

  149. 149.

    Elie

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Meaning, he made a very lightweight statement without much import. Given that he didn’t make such a comment about the men, it was clearly designed to be provocative and insulting. I chose not to take the bait exactly as I think he would have liked.

  151. 151.

    divF

    I just took a close look at the photo of all of the candidates on The Guardian web site. JEB, Carly, and Ben have well-fitting , well cut clothes. Cruz needs to have is coat tailored to hide his too-wide hips, while Rubio, Christie and Kasich in various ways dumpy. Surprisingly, so is The Donald.

  152. 152.

    trollhattan

    @Adam L Silverman:
    One of the best hunks o meat I’ve ever cooked was a Costo Prime grade tri-tip, slow-cooked on a Big Green Egg. Don’t know how common the cut is away from California, but the Prime version was very well marbled and yoooogly moist. Dry rub and mesquite.

    OTPH a prime rib is an awesome tradition, even with a cosigner required.

  153. 153.

    Adam L Silverman

    @GoBlue72: I stuck the landing. Sometimes its better to be lucky than good! I got the thing prepped and in, prepped the root veggies to go in, then went to dig out the meat thermometer. Unfortunately there was no meat thermometer to be found… So I immediately adjusted the temp up to 325 as I know the time per pound for medium rare at 325. I have no idea what it would be at 200. Followed that too the second, took it out and let it rest tented for 1/2 an hour, then back in a 500 degree oven for 14 minutes to sear the crust on the outside.

  154. 154.

    PurpleGirl

    @Elie: No, it’s the last debate of 2015; I think there are a few more to come in 2016. Bah humbug. (I’m watching Castle reruns.)

  158. 158.

    Adam L Silverman

    @trollhattan: I was thinking about tri tip earlier. That would work well on a go low/go slow roasting method in the oven with a nice kosher salt, cracked black pepper, and sweet paprika dry rub.

  162. 162.

    PurpleGirl

    @Betty Cracker: When my friends were still married and I visited them in Boca Raton, I used to love the Publix. It helped that I could walk there from their house, but it was a neat store.

  164. 164.

    Adam L Silverman

    @ThresherK (GPad): My understanding is that you can really only properly dry age a whole side. Though it might work with a whole primal. That said, I brought the thing home last Thursday. Unwrapped it, patted it dry, sealed it up properly, and left it in the fridge until about 1 today. Then I took it out and salted and peppered it and stuck it back in the fridge. Took it out at 5:40 and let it stand at room temp for 1/2 an hour and then into the oven.

  165. 165.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I shouldn’t be surprised at this point, and as others have pointed out, they all just would have blustered and chest-puffed about how macho-ly they’d tear up the Paris agreement, but still…

    LOLGOP ‏@ LOLGOP 2m2 minutes ago
    Good job not bringing up climate change at all, CNN. Will make a great moment in the documentary about how there used to be a Miami.

  166. 166.

    Mike J

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Thanks! I’m hoping Costco will come through with a not insanely expensive cut of meat, but we’ll see how it goes.

    Up here in the PNW, they often have whole sides of salmon. King salmon is better than any beef you can buy.

  167. 167.

    feebog

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Definitely try Costco. Their meats are almost always better than the local supermarkets. I don’t include Whole Foods in that comparison, because , well, it’s Whole Foods. We buy a lot of steaks and pork there.

  168. 168.

    GoBlue72

    @Adam L Silverman: Good to hear. I find the Kenji Lopez-Alt Food Lab recipes to be mostly solid, but occasionally a misfire. I had used the reverse sear method before so felt comfortable recommending it.

    The pizza stone roast turkey recipe works well, but the time they give is too long.

    A good thermometer is on my Xmas list. Hoping for a Thermapen if the wife is feeling generous. Or a Thermapop if not.

  171. 171.

    benw

    @Mike J: we got so high on the Falcon that we started to believe in this mystical Force bullshit that could, like, levitate things and shit, man.

  172. 172.

    BobS

    @Elie: I apologize. I wasn’t aware you had a problem with that particular “response” and I can appreciate how making light of it would be hurtful to you.

  175. 175.

    Arm The Homeless

    @Adam L Silverman:

    My only regret about not living in the south was the lack of access to a Publix. Seriously, King Soopers and Trader Joe’s can suck large donkey balls, give me some Publix subs!

  179. 179.

    Elie

    @divF:

    Trump has a monster cardio tummy bump. This in effect makes all of his suit coats too big in the shoulders which make his face and neck look more saggy. They could fit him closer in the side and hips but then you would see his big saggy belly. His pants probably look like he is sitting in a tea cup cause the waist has to be so big compared to the probably much thinner legs and thighs. Best remedy for that is to keep the big boxy suit jacket buttoned shut. We won’t got into his booty, but my guess is that its wide and flat. All the money in the world won’t fix this at this late date. Unlike many rich men, he did not take care of himself and keep himself up to date.

    This is not an attractive man. He needed max plastic surgery a decade ago but was too narcissistic to think that he needed it. He needed a whole redo including the obvious dead possum hair. Too late now…

  180. 180.

    divF

    @benw:
    There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a Jedi in the depths of an ether binge.

  182. 182.

    Adam L Silverman

    @GoBlue72: I want one that I can stick in, set the temp I want, and then stick that on the outside of the door. As for turkey, I have a way… I dry rub the bird in and out with kosher salt, fresh ground black pepper, and paprika. Then I stuff the bird with Bessie’s Cornbread Stuffing (Mom got the recipe from a nurse she worked with when my folks got engaged named Bessie. Bessie was from North Carolina). I wrap the bird and roast it at 325 for 20 minutes per pound. Once done I remove it, let it rest till it cools enough to handle. I then remove the stuffing and take all the meat off the bones. I then replace the meat in the roasting pan in the turkeys juices and bring it back up to heat for serving. Doing this makes/keeps the meat juicy and flavorful and avoids the turkey getting cold when carving at the table. I have never had a bad outcome doing it like this.

  184. 184.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Bobby Thomson: The other night I called someone a troll because she posted under the ‘nym that a troll had used. Turned out she was the real original and perfectly decent user of that ‘nym. I am being careful.*

    *I did apologize and the apology was accepted.

  185. 185.

    Arm The Homeless

    @benw: They do a mango one, sometimes, but it makes my teeth hurt just thinking about it.

    Their pizza dough is friggin phenomenal. I mean I have never had pre-made dough that is consistent across years. 17 minutes in a 400-degree oven and you have magic.

  186. 186.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    @Adam L Silverman:

    A friend of mine got the following advice from a famous tri-tip place in Santa Barbara — they grill it whole the night before, let it cool down, and refrigerate it overnight. They slice it the next day and warm the slices up on the grill.

  190. 190.

    divF

    @Elie:
    This would really hurt him in the general. Hillary looks like she is in good shape, without the excessively facelifted / botoxed look that Carly has, and Trump would defnitely suffer by comparison.

  191. 191.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): That’s basically how I do brisket and turkey. Except I reheat both in their own pan juices. In the case of the brisket I trim all the fat and set it aside. Then I slice it thin and against the grain. Then I place it all back in the juices in the roasting pan, cover the meat with the trimmed fat, and reheat when I’m ready to serve.

  196. 196.

    Thoughtful Today

    Omnes,

    Hillary’s qualifications include Board Membership of WAL-MART.

    WAL-MART’s billionaire heirs were well served by Hillary: Low, low wage employees, no health care, no union.

  199. 199.

    Mike J

    @Omnes Omnibus: Let’s get down to brass tacks. How much for the wookie?

    Re the documentary: Cool to see Rufus Thomas. I turned down a job writing news copy for WDIA because I was stupid enough to want to go away to college instead. Then Sam Philips is in the show. When I wasn’t working overnights at the talk or top 40 station, I’d go visit my friend Pam who worked at his station (and is still in Memphis radio).

  202. 202.

    Omnes Onmibus

    @Thoughtful Today: Link your reply. Just do it. If you really think that you have winning arguments, you will do that. BTW do you care that HRC’s time as a director at Walmart resulted in increased gender equality and better environmental practices?

  203. 203.

    Elie

    @divF:

    As I have said more than once, his insides are probably not great either, even though he does not drink or smoke. Somehow, he got real fat and out of shape and which means he is probably not active and may not have the best dietary habits. You don’t get to be 69 years old, overweight and have a totally clean biochemical profile while running a stressful political campaign. He went from sitting around being the grand pooba to being on the grittle all the time and its not even that bad yet…

    This is the weirdest group of candidates that I have ever seen. Just had to say that

  204. 204.

    goblue72

    @Adam L Silverman: Good job. Yeah, the 200F thing really needs a thermometer. Not much in the way of standard cook times at that low a temp. When I did my rib roast last year, I started taking temps WAY before the recommended cook time. Glad I did – it finished an hour earlier. Hard to keep an oven at 200F.

  210. 210.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @Thoughtful Today: Link your reply. Just do it. If you really think that you have winning arguments, you will do that. BTW do you care that HRC’s time as a director at Walmart resulted in increased gender equality and better environmental practices?

  214. 214.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I’ve been waiting for this kind of death-hug from Obama, and the Dem members of the Gang of Whatever, for a long time

    Jon Favreau
    ‏@ jonfavs
    Look, in the White House, we were very appreciative of all the good work Marco Rubio did on that immigration bill

  219. 219.

    Mandalay

    There was a wide spread in the air time for the debate candidates.

    Cruz: 15:58

    Rubio: 13:33

    Trump: 13:25

    Christie: 10:45

    Carson: 10:27

    Bush: 10:13

    Paul: 9:46

    Fiorina: 9:32

    Kasich: 9:00

    It’s really difficult to believe that CNN wasn’t deliberately allowing extra air time to their “preferred” candidates at the expense of the bores and losers lower down the pecking order.

  220. 220.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @BobS: It was a stunningly sexist comment. Just acknowledge your mistake and move on. I was in a frat at a private college in the ’80s and I groaned at it.

  226. 226.

    reality-based (the original, not the troll)

    @Mnemosyne:

    top sirloin. With as much fat on top and marbling in the meat as you can find. Not enough marbling in the round – it’s a prettier, but ultimately drier and tougher cut of meat.

    Also – throw a couple sprigs of fersh thyme in the pan, roasr a head of garlic in the pan with the meat, squeeze the smushy cloves into the au jus/gravy. Does wonders.

    Can I come for Christmas dinner? My 92-year-old mom still insists we have lutefisk every Christmas eve. Spare-ribs for the non-pure-blooded Vikings – but the smell of the lutefisk kinda spoils one’s appetite, even if you don’t actually eat the stuff. Which I don’t.

    and any BJ’ers with strong enough stomachs to actually watch that debate have much stronger stomachs than I do.

  227. 227.

    SFAW

    @Mandalay:

    Great. Now you’ve done it. Richard Mayhew is going to see that tally, and starting talking about extra time (in fussball), and how it’s calculated, and then pose another refereeing question that I can’t answer, and I’ll feel inadequate (vis-a-vis my soccer knowledge), and then I’ll get depressed, and so on and so forth …

    Richard: if you’re reading this: I’m kidding about you and the soccer stuff. I’m more of a lax-man, but I appreciate your knowledge and dedication to soccer. (Honest!)

  233. 233.

    max

    @James E Powell: Negativity and fear is all they have.
    And bigotry, they’re really big on the bigotry.

    Wolf ‘I don’t know. Mr. Zucker just told me to come in here and say there was trouble at the mill, that’s all. I didn’t expect a kind of Republican Inquisition.’

    Jarring chord. The door flies open and Cardinal Christie of New Jersey enter flanked by two junior cardinals. Cardinal Carson has goggles pushed up over his forehead, Cardinal Cruz is just Cardinal Cruz.

    Christie ‘NOBODY expect the Republican Inquisition! Our chief weapon is negativity… negativity and fear…fear and negativity…our TWO weapons are fear and negativity…and ruthless bigotry! Our THREE weapons are fear and negativity and ruthless bigotry and an almost fanatical devotion to Fox News… Our four… no… amongst our weapons…. amongst our weaponry are such elements as fear, negativity… I’ll come in again.’

    Wolf ‘I didn’t expect a kind of Republican Inquisition.’

    Jarring chord. They burst in.

    Christie ‘Nobody expects the Republican Inquisition. Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, negativity, ruthless bigotry, and an almost fanatical devotion to Fox News, and nice blue suits – oh, DAMN! {to Carson} I-I can’t say it, you’ll have to say it.’

    Carson ‘What?’

    Christie ‘You’ll have to say the bit about ‘our chief weapons are…”

    Carson ‘I couldn’t do that…’

    Christie bundles the cardinals outside.

    Wolf ‘I didn’t expect a kind of Republican Inquisition.’

    They all enter.

    Carson ‘Er…. um…. nobody…’

    Christie‘Expects.’

    Carson ‘Expects…Nobody expects the… er… um… Republican…um…’

    Christie ‘Inquisition.’

    Carson ‘I know… I know. Nobody expects the Republican Inquisition. In fact, those who do expect…’

    Christie ‘Our chief weapons are…’

    Carson ‘Our chief weapons are… er… er…’

    Christie ‘Surprise.’

    Carson ‘Surprise and…’

    Christie ‘Surprise and…’

    Carson ‘Stop! Stop there! Whew! Our chief weapon is surprise, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cardinal, read the charges.’

    Cruz ‘You are hereby charged that you did on diverse dates failed to pee your pants on the Holy Fox News. My old man said follow…’

    Christie ‘That’s enough! {to Fiorina} Now, how do you plead?’

    Fiorina ‘I’m against abortion and have never had an abortion.’

    Christie ‘Ha! Ha! Ha!’

    SUPERIMPOSED CAPTION: ‘DIABOLICAL LAUGHTER’

    Christie ‘We’ll soon change your mind about that!’

    SUPERIMPOSED CAPTION: ‘DIABOLICAL ACTING’

    Christie ‘Fear, negativity, and a most ruthless bigotry…{controls himself with a supreme effort} ooooh! Now cardinal, the rack!’

    Carson produces a plastic-coated modern washing-up rack. Christie looks at it and clenches his teeth in an effort not to lose control. He hums heavily to control his anger.

    Christie‘You…right! Tie her down! {Cruz and Carson make a pathetic attempt to tie her to the rack} Right, how do you plead?’

    Fiorina ‘Innocent.’

    Carson ‘I…’

    Christie {gritting his teeth} ‘I know. I know you can’t. I didn’t want to say anything, I just wanted to try and ignore your crass mistake.’

    Carson ‘Shall I, um…’

    Christie ‘Oh, go on, just pretend for God’s sake.’

    {segue}

    max
    [‘I couldn’t help it.’]

  234. 234.

    reality-based (the original, not the troll)

    @Mike J: just finished it, loved it. SPOILER WARNING:

    I always loved the story of Black Jack Pershing going to Lafayette”s tomb when the AEF landed in WWI and saying “Lafayette, we are here! ”

    Turns out, Pershing wasn’t the one who said it – it was his aide, a Major Stanton, nephew of Lincoln’s Secretary of War, to whom Pershing had delegated the oratory duties.

    I am SUCH a sucker for Le Mot Just – always wanted it to be Pershing. In re that fine book – how many idiots on that stage do you think understand that we owe our country to French blood and cash? Or could find Yorktown on a map?

  235. 235.

    scav

    I’m liking Betty’s approach. An entire thread devoted to pie (with drawing) and the comments are disabled.

  239. 239.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): I usually go to Costco(as does Adam, it seems) for roasts. I’ve purchased steaks at Vons, but that’s been a while. Last butcher shop I went to was in 1000 Oaks in the 70’s(although I think it’s still there).

  241. 241.

    reality-based (the original, not the troll)

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    , Yeah, but Omni, I wasn’t scarred for life or nothing -plus, incentivized me to fix nym and clear up confusion –

    PLEASE show no mercy to genuine trolls on my account!

  246. 246.

    Emma

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): I’ve joined. Fully paid-up lifetime member. I am so glad these days I work out of a nice little office in an out-of-the-way place because explaining to co-workers why I am crying my eyes out over a song would be seriously difficult. A simple little song called It’s Quiet Uptown.

  247. 247.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    @Emma:

    They’ll tell the story of tonight … ;-)

    I’m going to force my teenage niece to listen to the soundtrack on the drive to Disneyland on Saturday. For all I know, she may already be a fan — she’s in chorus and saw “Wicked” every time it came to LA. She also had the good taste to be enthralled by a local college production of “A Chorus Line.”

  249. 249.

    sm*t cl*de

    Then she quotes Thatcher:

    You will be shocked, I know, to learn that Fiorina was lying about that too. The actual source of the quotation being a Thatcher supporter.

  250. 250.

    joel hanes

    @Mnemosyne

    heart set on beef:

    nothing tastes more like beef than plain old chuck potroast done low and slow.
    for seven, two roasts, two dutch ovens: one to have potatoes and carrots under the roast, and one for gravy.

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