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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2016 / CNN Debate Open Thread

CNN Debate Open Thread

by John Cole|  December 15, 20158:45 pm| 299 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Just Shut the Fuck Up, Serenity Now!

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I’ve done you all the courtesy of installing a camera in my living room so you can watch my reaction to the debates live.

Against my better judgment, I’ll probably be tweeting during this shitshow.

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  1. 1.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 8:47 pm

    WTF-K?

  2. 2.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    These “candidates” best not be checkin her trailer hitch while she sings the natural anthem.

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    December 15, 2015 at 8:49 pm

    It’s Tribble-top vs. Opossum-hair right out of the gate.

  4. 4.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 15, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    Wolf is moderating? This will suck.

  5. 5.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 15, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    Hey, Joisey Whale; mothers work too. Asshole.

  6. 6.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 8:53 pm

    NO, Carly!

  7. 7.

    ThresherK

    December 15, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    The tweeting is not the “against better judgment” part; the watching is.

    I don’t know if just reading this and a liveblog elsewhere may be not enough layers between myself and the source.

  8. 8.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 15, 2015 at 8:55 pm

    jeb? really is low energy.

  9. 9.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: This fucking Cuban talks fast. Little punk.

  10. 10.

    ed_finnerty

    December 15, 2015 at 8:56 pm

    i never noticed Rubio’s dumbo ears before

  11. 11.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 8:57 pm

    I didn’t realize Obama totally destroyed the United States and the entire military.

  12. 12.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Cruz – “We’ll keep America safe.”
    Me – Like 9/11?

  13. 13.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Up and on! The green light is flashed to “go”.

    HAMMERTIME begins, fuckers.

  14. 14.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    Please join me in a moment of science for the viccims in San Berdoo.

  15. 15.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    @Central Planning: Twice, apparently.

  16. 16.

    Roger Moore

    December 15, 2015 at 8:58 pm

    @Relax:

    HAMMERTIME begins, fuckers.

    No, no, no! It’s “Stop! Hammertime!”

  17. 17.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    December 15, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    So Dr. Ben wants Congress to declare war on ISIS, so does the President. Heh!

  18. 18.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    @ThresherK:

    I don’t know if I have another debate in me. The candidates are dreadful. Plus I’m out of wine.

  19. 19.

    oldgold

    December 15, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    Wow, all 9 opening statements were really awful.

  20. 20.

    Lee

    December 15, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    OT:

    Flint has dangerous levels of lead in their water

    W…T….F!

    Apparently they are claiming the government knew prior to switching the water supply.

  21. 21.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Jeb needs to interrupt and parry here.

  22. 22.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:00 pm

    Wolf – all have different approaches to keeping the country safe. Really? We’ll hear 9 different approaches?

  23. 23.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Here we go!

  24. 24.

    dmsilev

    December 15, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    Tens of thousands of cellphones with ISIS flags on them? Err, what?

  25. 25.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    I need to stop posting here about the debate. There is too much stupidity there. This could easily be a 1000+ post thread.

  26. 26.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    Wo oh oh oh oh oh oh oh.

    Doing the dance in my mind because I’m way too comfy on the couch to get up.

  27. 27.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:02 pm

    “Chaos Candidate”. Jeb hits hard!

  28. 28.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    @Central Planning: I can’t watch right now, so it’ll probably only be about 50 posts.

  29. 29.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    I didn’t think the pukes were going to let Wolfie attack each other. Fat ass will jump Wolfie for this shit!

  30. 30.

    Anoniminous

    December 15, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    Bailing

    I’ve lost 50 IQ points and we’re barely started.

  31. 31.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    @Relax: He’s dumber than you if that is possible.

  32. 32.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:04 pm

    Jeb: a serious leader for serious times, Trump left speechless.

    Trump? U can’t touch this…

  33. 33.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    @Relax:

    Seriously? Are you going to do this the whole debate? I admire your devotion but your candidate is a doofus.

  34. 34.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    I’ve lost 50 IQ points and we’re barely started.

    You sure that’s not from reading comments from “Relax, I’m a Racist”? That might do it.

  35. 35.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    Kaos candidate? We need Maxwell Smart.

  36. 36.

    ThresherK

    December 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    @raven: And more boring than Jeb, per reliable reports.

    ETA More reportage.

  37. 37.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    @MomSense: The pie filter is at the bottom of the page.

  38. 38.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    @Anoniminous: Everyone in this room is now dumber

  39. 39.

    daverave

    December 15, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    @MomSense:

    Rookie mistake…

    ETA: +2

  40. 40.

    dmsilev

    December 15, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    Hugh Hewit: More Reagan worship, dammit!

  41. 41.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    @Central Planning:

    Kaos candidate? We need Maxwell Smart.

    And if we’re lucky, he’ll bring the Cone of Silence for “Relax, I’m a Racist”

  42. 42.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    @Central Planning: Missed it by –><— that much.

  43. 43.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    Jeb can be the Hammer Time candidate.

    I’m the candidate who likea big butts and cannot lie.

  44. 44.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    @SFAW: The Craw!

  45. 45.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    @SFAW:

    “Racist” has become as meaningless a political term as “fascist”.

  46. 46.

    dmsilev

    December 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    Carly: “Steve Jobs handed me my corporate ass ten years ago. I still haven’t forgotten”

  47. 47.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:08 pm

    @Baud: You should have been behind the vocalist!

  48. 48.

    GregB

    December 15, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    @raven:

    Damn that was some desperate, hokey and strange stuff.

  49. 49.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    @SFAW:

    And if we’re lucky, he’ll bring the Cone of Silence

    It’s nice to have a dream…

  50. 50.

    redshirt

    December 15, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    @Relax: Sweet!

    *shuffles furiously*

  51. 51.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    @raven:

    Not “Craw.” Craw!

  52. 52.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    @Baud:

    I think you mean big mutts!

  53. 53.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:10 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Carly: “Steve Jobs handed me my corporate ass ten years ago. I still haven’t forgotten”

    That why Republicans hate Syrians?

  54. 54.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    There was an letter to the editor this morning which stated he wasn’t angry, he was scared. People should be more scared of heart disease than muslims/democrats/liberal elites/Obama.

  55. 55.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    @SFAW: The Craw!

  56. 56.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:12 pm

    @Relax:

    “Racist” has become as apropos a political term as “fascist”.

    Perhaps, but you haven’t proved you’re a fascist yet (at least, not that I’ve seen), only that you’re a racist.

  57. 57.

    Shana

    December 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    What the hell is wrong with Carly’s mouth? Did she have some bad plastic surgery?

  58. 58.

    amk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:13 pm

    ” I’ll probably be tweeting during this shitshow.”

    chicken.

  59. 59.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:14 pm

    A 17-year-old student was struck and killed by a city service truck Tuesday morning as he was crossing a Highland Park street not far from his charter high school.

    The accident occurred after the Los Angeles Unified School District closed all campuses because of a threat sent to several school board members.

    The county coroner identified the student as Andres Perez of Montebello.

  60. 60.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:14 pm

    @daverave:
    I think I’ve figured out my problem.

    0

  61. 61.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:14 pm

    @SFAW:

    Racist racist racist racist … That’s all your side has after eight failed years of Obama/Hillary.

  62. 62.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    @Shana: Chrome trailer hitch.

  63. 63.

    GregB

    December 15, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    Fuck, Rubio is a smug war mongering prick who talks about the days of yore like he’s a 90 year old from the Depression Era.

  64. 64.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    A glass of wine should help make this tolerable. And by this, I don’t mean the company here.

  65. 65.

    Elie

    December 15, 2015 at 9:15 pm

    @MomSense:

    I’ve headed for a shot of vodka… I don’t know how long I can hang with this….

  66. 66.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:16 pm

    @MomSense:

    My anaconda don’t want none unless you’ve got mutts hun.

  67. 67.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 9:16 pm

    Ok, which one of you deviants has been pilfering horses? I thought we agreed to cut that out at our last coffee klatch?

  68. 68.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    @Shana:
    Prob’ly went a smidge overboard with the Botox.

  69. 69.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:17 pm

    @Elie:

    I’ve headed for a shot of vodka

    I guess we’re drinking buddies tonight. Not sure where you are, but if you can get your hands on some 1911 vodka, you’ll be doing pretty good.

  70. 70.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:18 pm

    @Elie:

    You may need to do something more drastic like a lobotomy.

  71. 71.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:18 pm

    @raven:

    Under the overpass?

  72. 72.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    Does anyone really believe the government won’t collect all the data they want, especially if they are tracking terrorists?

  73. 73.

    Shana

    December 15, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    @Central Planning: Hubby and I are having Moon Over Manhattans, 1/2 a shot of amaretto in a regular Manhattan. Yum.

  74. 74.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud:

    So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
    Has your girlfriend got the mutt? (Hell yeah!)
    Tell ’em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
    Shake that healthy mutt!

    I will show myself out now…

  75. 75.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    @SFAW: I see what you did there.

  76. 76.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    Gruniad on Kasich:

    The joint terrorism task force needs tools to break encryption, he says. “We have to give law enforcement the ability to listen,” he says.

    If Kasich can factor the products of huge primes in some sort of reasonable time, he should forget about polictics and go collect his Fields medal.

  77. 77.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    @Shana: That sounds delicious. Just a glass of Coppola merlot here.

  78. 78.

    burnspbesq

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    Just. Can’t. Would rather listen to “Metal Machine Music.”

  79. 79.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    @Relax:

    Hey, if the shoe fits, Racist. Good to see you’re still denying it. You wingnuts are nothing if not unwilling to accept reality.

  80. 80.

    Roger Moore

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud:

    I’m the candidate who likea big butts and cannot lie.

    So you’re Honest Mix-a-Lot?

  81. 81.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    I’m sure our blog host is just all tingly about the cute booze conversation.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    @Mike J: Prime numbers are a liberal plot!

  83. 83.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    Carson, the complainer. What a WATB.

  84. 84.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    Oh my gosh look at her mutt. Look at her mutt.
    Look at look at look at her mutt.

  85. 85.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:22 pm

    @Baud:

    Prime numbers are a liberal plot!

    Are you still running for president? You should pledge to eliminate all prime numbers.

  86. 86.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    @Relax:

    He’s about to talk!!

  87. 87.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    @Central Planning: The Republican candidates are the not ready for prime number players.

  88. 88.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    @Central Planning: Why? I’m liberal. Prime numbers are a critical component of my plot.

  89. 89.

    Betty Cracker

    December 15, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    I went out with a friend and had a lovely dinner. Just got home and started watching the shitshow. What an absurd spectacle. What a bunch of hysterical, brain dead ninnies.

  90. 90.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    Trump being frozen out, missing in action! Loving it!

  91. 91.

    redshirt

    December 15, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    @raven: Like he reads anything here.

  92. 92.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:25 pm

    @Baud: That will appeal to the low-info voters

  93. 93.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    @Betty Cracker: C’mon. We’re not that bad.

  94. 94.

    seaboogie

    December 15, 2015 at 9:26 pm

    I am really digging Carly’s necklace – tres subtle!

  95. 95.

    Peale

    December 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    @burnspbesq: They should auto-tune their voices.

  96. 96.

    Chyron HR

    December 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    Has Jeb! been declared President yet? #HammerTime #Hekeptussafe #Jeb’llfixit #killelderlyblackwomen

  97. 97.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    “our internet”

  98. 98.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    @Central Planning: They do love their primes.

  99. 99.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    Close down portions of the internet? Using “our” internet? The stupid, it burns.

  100. 100.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    Are you open to closing. . .

  101. 101.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    @seaboogie: For those of us preserving brain cells, what is it?

  102. 102.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    Fiorina: sour, depressing, miserable, bitter and nasty.

    Why on earth would anyone vote for her?

  103. 103.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    @Mandalay: 27%!

  104. 104.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    @Central Planning: Did they name check Balloon Juice?

  105. 105.

    Leto

    December 15, 2015 at 9:29 pm

    Source sends pic of scene at Jeb Miami debate-watching party:

    https://twitter.com/mateagold/status/676946951854825472

  106. 106.

    amk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    Mrs. Betty Bowers ‏@BettyBowers 1m1 minute ago

    If Trump wants to close portions of the Internet to make us safer from angry, crazed zealots, his Twitter would be a good start. #GOPDebate

  107. 107.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    @Baud:

    Did they name check Balloon Juice?

    There’s a case that could be made for shutting that section down.

  108. 108.

    raven

    December 15, 2015 at 9:30 pm

    Stupid fuckin Cuban uses Iraq as an example of what we should do.

  109. 109.

    Heliopause

    December 15, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    Trump and Kasich want to penetrate Isis. Going for the horny-straight-cis-male vote. Stunning.

  110. 110.

    redshirt

    December 15, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    @seaboogie: What is it? A necklace of fetal skulls?

  111. 111.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    @Central Planning: Isn’t that what the whole site redesign was all about?

  112. 112.

    seaboogie

    December 15, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    @Mike J: A big azzz crucfix.

  113. 113.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    @Baud: Government plot? Carpet bombed the server.

  114. 114.

    daverave

    December 15, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    Trump wins the internet again!

  115. 115.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 15, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Truly, had forgotten he was even on the stage.

    That statement is literally true.

  116. 116.

    amk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    Diane N. Sevenay ‏@Diane_7A 5m5 minutes ago

    “I’ll build a wall around the internet!” #GOPDebate

  117. 117.

    scav

    December 15, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    Our internet? Shit, Do we have to clear all printed information through Germany because of Movable Type? Or did that lapse when we went fully digital?

  118. 118.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:33 pm

    @seaboogie: Kasich already proved they take math really seriously. Now Fiorina wants you to look at what they did to that guy with a plus sign!

  119. 119.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    Cruz was asked about killing innocent civilians with his policy of carpet bombing ISIS. Cruz ducked the question and ran the other way.

    The spineless fucker knows very well that a gazillion innocent people would be killed by his policy but he lacks have the guts to acknowledge it.

  120. 120.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 15, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    @raven:

    Fuck you, Raven I just spewed a whole mouthful of red wine all over my iPad screen. Dammit.

  121. 121.

    GregB

    December 15, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    @raven: @raven:

    He’s a Canadian!

  122. 122.

    amk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    for relax, the racist

    Source sends pic of scene at Jeb Miami debate-watching party:
    7:38 AM – 16 Dec 2015

  123. 123.

    Peale

    December 15, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    @Mandalay: No even a “Governments rule by the consent of the governed so if you’re living there, you are part of ISIS.”

  124. 124.

    Leto

    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Cruz knows that carpet bombing is a war crime, right? Nevermind, doesn’t give a sh#t.

  125. 125.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Fascinates me that Christie uses his experience as a prosecutor to argue his strength a war chieftain and terr-rist killer. He does know who got bin Laden after Bush got out of the way.

    (I’m just looking at some tweets, I can’t watch these people live”

  126. 126.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    @amk: Haha.

  127. 127.

    seaboogie

    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    @Heliopause:

    Trump and Kasich want to penetrate Isis. Going for the horny-straight-cis-male vote. Stunning.

    Can’t decide which of their gestures are weirder – Trump’s “short-fingered vulgarian” dainty/pouty index finger making his points, or Kasich’s karate chops.

  128. 128.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    @MomSense:

    I have wine. But the candidates are certainly dreadful.

  129. 129.

    Iowa Old Lady

    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    @amk: For just a moment, that made me feel sorry for Jeb. Thanks a bunch.

  130. 130.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:36 pm

    Get back to Trump v Bush that’s the real contest.

  131. 131.

    amk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    Sally J. Johnson ‏@sallyjayjohnson 5m5 minutes ago

    miraculous but true: these candidates know less about how the Internet works than the female reproductive system. #GOPDebate

  132. 132.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    Who doesn’t like a good Internet penetration?

    Maybe that’s exatly what Daesh needs, some good ole fashioned American, digital penetration.

  133. 133.

    amk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: heh, 30 mil can go only thus far. what a fucking loser.

  134. 134.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    Another hammer DROPS

  135. 135.

    misterpuff

    December 15, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    Flat out racist.

  136. 136.

    Betty Cracker

    December 15, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    Trump weirdly resembles a bloated, dissipated Ted Koppel.

  137. 137.

    Relax

    December 15, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    A hammer drops…

  138. 138.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    I didn’t think Jeb could pull it off, but he’s really shining up there.

  139. 139.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    If a hammer drops at a debate and nobody hears it, do Jeb’s poll numbers increase?

  140. 140.

    Felonius Monk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    Star light, star bright,

    The first star I see tonight;

    I wish I may, I wish I might,

    Have a meteor hit The Venetian tonight.

  141. 141.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 9:40 pm

    @Mandalay: …and now Trump ducks the issue of killing innocent civilians when going after ISIS.

    Eventually those chickens are going to come home to roost.

  142. 142.

    Betty Cracker

    December 15, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    Goddamn, Carson is a strange dude.

  143. 143.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    @Baud:

    I didn’t think Jeb could pull it off, but he’s really shining up there.

    Is he using liquid or paste shine?

  144. 144.

    beltane

    December 15, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    That wasn’t a hammer dropping, it was my dog farting. Old labs will do this from time to time.

  145. 145.

    beth

    December 15, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    Clearly, Jeb’s word today from his word of the day calendar was “serious” .

  146. 146.

    Jacel

    December 15, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    @burnspbesq: How about Lou Reed’s final album, which I call “Mellow Machine Music”?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River_Wind_Meditations

  147. 147.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    @Mike J: I’m serious. Relax was right. It is Hammer time.

  148. 148.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    Hey, John, can we fumigate the lolz troll? He’s getting a bit heated and I am afraid he is going to pee on the rug again

  149. 149.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: I think John’s busy tweeting

  150. 150.

    Bobby Thomson

    December 15, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    @Relax:

    Racist racist racist racist … That’s all your side has after eight failed years of trying to prevent Obama from being President

    I fixed that for you.

  151. 151.

    amk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    Lindsay Ellis ‏@thelindsayellis 7m7 minutes ago

    We’ve reached the “how do you rationalize killing innocent civilians” portion of the evening. #GOPDebate

  152. 152.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    @Baud: If they gave Jeb a hammer, it’d bounce off this thumb and hit him in the nose.

    Like Curly.

  153. 153.

    GregB

    December 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    Let’s have a moment of silence for the kids heads Ben Carson has opened up?

  154. 154.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    Did a mod delete Racist’s “slut daughter” comment, or did he do it himself?

  155. 155.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Curly was funny.

  156. 156.

    Iowa Old Lady

    December 15, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    @Arm The Homeless: He made an unbelievably offensive comment a few minutes ago and now it’s gone. So fumigation may be in progress.

    @SFAW: That’s the comment I was referring to.

    ETA: OTOH, Trump, Cruz, and Carson are trying to outdo one another in bragging about killing children, so maybe offensiveness is relative.

  157. 157.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    They bent the rules to let Rand on the stage, and now they are giving him a ton of time. Interesting.

  158. 158.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh, a wiseguy!

  159. 159.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    @efgoldman: Who else should we do it to?

  160. 160.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    @Mandalay: …and Carson finally states the obvious – that the cost of bombing the shit out of ISIS is a lot of dead innocent people, but he believes that it is necessary. I don’t agree with him, but the man was straight talking.

    The pundits probably won’t acknowledge (or even realize) it, but Carson just shamed the cowardly duo of Trump and Cruz.

  161. 161.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    @Mike J: Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.

  162. 162.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 15, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    @GregB:

    Step 1: They hate me when I tell them I have to slice open their head.

    Step 2: ???

    Step 3: They LOVE me!!!

  163. 163.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:47 pm

    @efgoldman: I’m chatting on our internet while drinking and watching a UW lecture on robotic decision making and control.

  164. 164.

    Felonius Monk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    Woe is America if any of these klowns gets with 10 blocks of the White House.

  165. 165.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I remembered that I have moose tracks ice cream in the freezer. It’s the next best thing.

  166. 166.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 9:48 pm

    @Baud:

    A wise guy, eh?
    Here, pick two fingers

  167. 167.

    Bobby Thomson

    December 15, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    @Baud: I knew at some point he would go home and get his fuckin’ shine box.

  168. 168.

    seaboogie

    December 15, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    The split screens with Trump and Jeb! or Rand et al are pretty damn entertaining. Trump is so middle-school bully with all of the faces that he pulls, and the others are like “you have to be fucking kidding me”. Jeb handled himself well in the sally a bit a ago.

  169. 169.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Wow. Jeb really is invisible.

  170. 170.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    @Mike J:

    watching a UW lecture on robotic decision making and control.

    I, for one, will NOT welcome our Robot Overlords, even if they DO learn how to make decisions.

  171. 171.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    @Mike J: I am watching the 1996 PBS rock history doc on YouTube.

  172. 172.

    dmsilev

    December 15, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Did Carly Fiorina just endorse Hillary Clinton for President? A bold, unconventional strategy for the GOP primary.

  173. 173.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Yeah, he went Full Trump. You never go Full Trump

  174. 174.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    “The warrior class”

    I would also bring back dragons to Westoros.

  175. 175.

    Shana

    December 15, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    @Mike J: Damn man, that’s some serious multi-tasking.@Mike J:

  176. 176.

    Felonius Monk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Why are you people doing this to yourselves?

    Cause we ran out of pizza and beer.

  177. 177.

    Heliopause

    December 15, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    “Bring back the warrior class.” Easy, Carly.

  178. 178.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    @MomSense:

    I remembered that I have moose tracks ice cream in the freezer.

    I’ll be right over. You can’t be more than, what, 3 hours away?

  179. 179.

    dmsilev

    December 15, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    “When something didn’t work in New Jersey, people look at me. Because, chances are, it was my fault.”

  180. 180.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:51 pm

    “When something doesn’t work in New Jersey, they look at me.”

    I wonder why.

  181. 181.

    mai naem mobile

    December 15, 2015 at 9:51 pm

    He got a bunch of glitter and glitter bombed himself. Also too I heard a joke about Cruz today – hes so far in the closet his name should be Tom. Another random thought – Julianne Margulies could play Carly in Game Changer Double Down if she uglies herself up some. Nathan Lane to play Ted Cruz.

  182. 182.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    My strategy to defeat ISIS is to win!

  183. 183.

    dmsilev

    December 15, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    @Baud: “Mr. President, we must not allow a mineshaft dragon gap!”

  184. 184.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    @Baud: His girth makes it impossible to see anything else.

  185. 185.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    Carson bringing it with the foreign geography!

  186. 186.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    @dmsilev:

    Did Carly Fiorina just endorse Hillary Clinton for President?

    The Clinton camp are probably already building an ad around Fiorina’s vapid sound bite.

  187. 187.

    Debbie

    December 15, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    Nope, still there in all its slutitude.

  188. 188.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    Is there anything that would let me see replies without having to click refresh?

  189. 189.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 15, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    @Baud: Because he spends more time in New Hampshire than New Jersey.

  190. 190.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    @Central Planning: Not yet. The new comment system is suppose to auto-reload.

  191. 191.

    lamh36

    December 15, 2015 at 9:54 pm

    Shorter everyone after hearing Trump’s “close the Intenet” answer

    “That’s not how this works…”

  192. 192.

    Felonius Monk

    December 15, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    I certainly hope that the stage doesn’t collapse under the weight of all the bullshit that’s being spread.

    ETA: OTOH, maybe that would help narrow the field.

  193. 193.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 9:55 pm

    @lamh36: Haha.

  194. 194.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    @Baud: I liked the live stream we had during one of the presidential debates. John, do one of those again.

    Damn, missed my chance to refill.

  195. 195.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Has Wolf brought up the 10,000+ (per Chris Hayes last night) bombs we’ve already dropped on ISIS?

  196. 196.

    SiubhanDuinne

    December 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I thought that was me s’posed to be watching that.

  197. 197.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    @Shana: It’s a high level overview with no actual code. A nice buzz actually helps.

  198. 198.

    Elie

    December 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    The whole thing is just buzz word salad — meaningless throwing around of terms and half baked ideas loaded with emotion and pseudo-structure. Rubio to my mind, still makes his word salad sound almost acceptable — he has the right tone and cadence — but his knowledge is superficial. Trump and Cruz are in their own fantasies. Kasich, Bush, trying to break in. The dynamics have not changed from the previous debate. No one has the cojones to take on Trump without fear. Jeb tries a little parry, but its just not strong enough. They leave Trump alone — again. It will be up to the primaries to take Trump out… nothing will happen to move him till then and depending on how the others manage the ground game, they still may have Trump as their nominee…

  199. 199.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    @SFAW:

    I’ll save you a spoon.

  200. 200.

    trollhattan

    December 15, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    Side 3 was my favorite.

  201. 201.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    Apart from Carson (who refuses to sink so low) they’ve all worked out that it’s easy to loftily sneer at the opinion offered by the previous speaker regardless of what it was, or whether it’s in line with their own views.

    What a worthless bunch of shits.

  202. 202.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 9:57 pm

    Test

  203. 203.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: More than one can do it. Jeez.

  204. 204.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: The one in ten minute chunks? Howzabout a link to the playlist?

  205. 205.

    mai naem mobile

    December 15, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    A little Barbie or Ken doll could do Olympic style ski jumps off Ted Cruzs nose. They could even end up smack in Wolf Blitzers beard.

  206. 206.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    @Mike J: Wait a sec…

  207. 207.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 15, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    How absurd is GOP rhetoric on ISIS? Megan McArdle is mocking it.

    Megan McArdle ‏@ asymmetricinfo 6m6 minutes ago
    GOP plan for dealing with ISIS so far:
    1) Sap their energy
    2) Destroy their internet
    3) Take out their bad guys
    4) Precision carpet bombing

  208. 208.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 9:59 pm

    @SFAW:
    It would appear the comment was deleted, and so was the commenter (at least temporarily).

  209. 209.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    @Elie:

    Rubio to my mind, still makes his word salad sound almost acceptable — he has the right tone and cadence — but his knowledge is superficial.

    Sarah Palin was asked to do word association for the candidates and she absolutely nailed Rubio: “scripted”.

  210. 210.

    Mike J

    December 15, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: As the germans say, donkey shines.

  211. 211.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    You’ve passed, please send your check for certification to:

    Baud 2016 c/o Arm The Homeless. Thanks!

  212. 212.

    NotMax

    December 15, 2015 at 10:00 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady

    Racist, anti-Semitic and misogynistic?

    Hat Hood trick.

  213. 213.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    I’ve been listening for about 10-15 minutes, and not a word from Jeb.

  214. 214.

    mai naem mobile

    December 15, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    It can handle a lot of sheet because they’re all such lightweights.

  215. 215.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 15, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    …

    It’s weird reading Clinton supporters breathlessly following every phrase and expression at the _Republican_ debates.

    It’s almost like debates are … important.

  216. 216.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    Trump wins the reasonableness award!

  217. 217.

    misterpuff

    December 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    Trump just called the ME a 5 Trillion Clusterfuck

  218. 218.

    divF

    December 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    The level of vitriol in this debate leaves something to be desired. I’m waiting to hear JEB call The Donald an “asslicking poseur”, or something equally emphatic.

  219. 219.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    @Mike J: Here you go. Unfortunately, part of the Stax section is muted for Copyright reasons.

  220. 220.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 10:02 pm

    @Baud: Did he just ratfck himself?

  221. 221.

    FlyingToaster

    December 15, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    @Elie:

    depending on how the others manage the ground game

    Ground Game????? In Ioway, that’s been outsourced to the evangelicals. In New Hampshire, it doesn’t exist; each candidate has to visit the central diner in each town in order to have a prayer at their 18 votes.

    Going by Boston-area broadcast tv, they’re relying on air power, and nearly-extinct newspaper endorsements. I predict whoever wins NH will have under 25% of the vote.

  222. 222.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    That was weird. Trump said we should have spent the Iraq war billions on schools, roads, hospitals here. Audience applauds. Carly scolds Trumo for sounding just like Obama. Audience confused.

  223. 223.

    NotMax

    December 15, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    @mai naem

    A little Barbie or Ken doll

    This being the current crop of G.O.P. candidates, make that a Klaus Barbie doll.

  224. 224.

    Felonius Monk

    December 15, 2015 at 10:03 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    What a bunch of hysterical, brain dead ninnies.

    Yeah, some audience. And the candidates are even worse.

  225. 225.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Here. Tech diffs.

  226. 226.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    @efgoldman: I’ve got no ulcer. We’ll have a good candidate on our side, whoever wins the nomination. When solutions are easy, there is no point in stressing.

  227. 227.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    Jeb speaks!!!

  228. 228.

    mai naem mobile

    December 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    Karly the Klown is an idiot and displays GOP idiocy perfectly. So if Obama said getting Osama was awesome she has to disagree with that.

  229. 229.

    burnspbesq

    December 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    @Leto:

    Cruz knows that carpet bombing is a war crime, right?

    You think it’s an accident that the United States is now the only country that hasn’t ratified the Rome Statute? Accountability for war crimes is for the little people.

  230. 230.

    Chris

    December 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    @Elie:

    All of them are afraid to take on Trump, because all of them know the base agrees with him.

  231. 231.

    misterpuff

    December 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    These clowns are tripping over their own dicks on the Middle East, er, except Jeb, forever defending his brother.

  232. 232.

    CaseyL

    December 15, 2015 at 10:05 pm

    I’m not watching – just reading the comments and Tweets for entertainment.

    My brother will be moving to Norway because he got a job there. I wonder if he could sponsor me in, should one of these pinheads gets elected.

  233. 233.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Jeb!: Getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good thing, but then Obama fucked it up.

  234. 234.

    Jager

    December 15, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Trump just railed about the money spent and the chaos in the middle east, he sounded half assed reasonable and was immediately compared to Hillary by Carly. What a shit show.

  235. 235.

    burnspbesq

    December 15, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    @Jacel:

    How about 4’33”?

  236. 236.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    I’m going to Berlin in February. I should be wetting my pants because of all those immigrants Angela is taking in.

  237. 237.

    Baud

    December 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    Nobody tells Cruz to wait his turn!

  238. 238.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    December 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    Cut a mic for fuck’s sake.

  239. 239.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    @burnspbesq: My kids roll their eyes at me when I say I would TOTALLY go see 4’33” if the local orchestra played it.

    ETA – I would make them come too.

  240. 240.

    Betty Cracker

    December 15, 2015 at 10:08 pm

    I’m trying to decide whose voice is more annoying: Cruz or Paul. Cruz’s is horridly adenoidal, but Paul’s is so prissy.

  241. 241.

    Bobby Thomson

    December 15, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    @Baud: FSM, I hope not. The auto-reload is a clusterfuck and makes the site freeze up constantly.

  242. 242.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 15, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    @Central Planning: The point, of course, was for it to be live. “Recordings” are pointless.

  243. 243.

    Anne Laurie

    December 15, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    New thread up top, if you’re tired of scrolling down…

  244. 244.

    Elie

    December 15, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Oh I agree that the “word salad” is just that… but he delivers it more smoothly than the others. Why oh why do these folks avoid Trump? He is a complete idiot that would be ripe for the taking but instead they focus on each other or Hillary/Obama. Trump talks about “our internet” and the ability to control the internet similar to how China does… and he gets away with it! Kasich tried to push back on the sense that anyone could “own” the net, but he didn’t spank Trump or laugh at him…

    This is going to end in the same place— Trump.

  245. 245.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    @MomSense:

    I’ll save you a spoon.

    I was going to get the cah warmed up, then noticed the lack of “ful” attached to that spoon.

    When I move up there (one of these days, I hope), I’ll try to make sure I save you some. Which brand do you prefer? Ben & Jerry?

  246. 246.

    divF

    December 15, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    From the Guardian liveblog.

    Blitzer and Cruz fight about who gets to speak. Blitzer wins? Cruz comes off as kind of jerky.

    Ya think ?
    (I’ve decided to just skip the primary material and monitor the blogs instead.)

  247. 247.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: I played a youtube version for the wife and kids one night. They couldn’t believe such a thing existed.

  248. 248.

    rikyrah

    December 15, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    @Lee:

    There was nothing wrong with Detroit’s, but the right-wing is so determined to say that everything in Detroit is wrong.

    Plus, they had put in an Emergency Manager.

    I heard about this MONTHS AGO, and still, they haven’t switched back to Detroit.

  249. 249.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    Can you recommend a good recording of 4’33”?

  250. 250.

    Anoniminous

    December 15, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    @Mike J:

    This one?

  251. 251.

    Felonius Monk

    December 15, 2015 at 10:11 pm

    Good poll question: Who do you fear the most, ISIS or the Republican Presidential candidates?

  252. 252.

    mai naem mobile

    December 15, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    OMG OMG OMG kasich has blue tie and no flag pin. Is he sooper sekret musleen?

  253. 253.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    @Amir Khalid: This link is a very good one.

  254. 254.

    Central Planning

    December 15, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    @Amir Khalid: This one is interesting because of the commentary.

  255. 255.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    Fiorina is laying down preconditions before she will even speak to the leaders of Russia or Iran.

    What a total fucking amateur/idiot.

  256. 256.

    mai naem mobile

    December 15, 2015 at 10:13 pm

    Could Chris Christie handle a no fry zone?

  257. 257.

    burnspbesq

    December 15, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    @Central Planning:

    Someday, if Mad ever parodies Gramophone, there will be a listeners’ guide to 4’33” that explains in detail the tempo choices made by various conductors.

  258. 258.

    Chyron HR

    December 15, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    @Thoughtful Today:

    We need more debates! Endless debates! Debates every day until you heathens worship messiah Bern just as fervently as I do!

    How can we miss you if you won’t fuck off?

  259. 259.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 15, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    @Chyron HR: and once again the shadowy and secretive Balloon Juice commentariat pretends it does not control the Democratic Party. As fucking if.

  260. 260.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    @SFAW:

    I was thinking the debate is so crazy we would have to just eat right out of the carton.

  261. 261.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm

    Leaving aside for a moment the fascinating discussion of 4’33”:
    While there has been somewhat more substance in this Republican candidates’ debate than in the previous ones, I can’t say I’m any more confident than before that any of them is equipped to lead the foreign-policy line.

  262. 262.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 15, 2015 at 10:29 pm

    misterpuff: “Trump just called the ME a 5 Trillion Clusterfuck “

    MomSense: “Trump said we should have spent the Iraq war billions on schools, roads, hospitals here.”

    Too few realize how well calibrated Trump’s election strategy really is.

    Be clear: Those are GENERAL Election strategies, it simultaneously condemns Hillary for voting for the Iraq War while co-opting _Bernie’s_ issues of investing in free State College education, infrastructure, and health care.

    ^ Thing I’ve tried to explain to Clinton supporters as having more support among Republicans than they’ve ever been capable of understanding.

  263. 263.

    burnspbesq

    December 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I was hoping one of them would say that they would go all Suarez on al-Baghdadi.

  264. 264.

    SFAW

    December 15, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    @MomSense:

    OK, I’m with you.

    But I gotta be up early to get my kid on the school bus, so I won’t have time to go up your way tonight. Even though the debate might go long enough.

  265. 265.

    yet another jeff

    December 15, 2015 at 10:31 pm

    Carson has a lot of stories…what brand new hospital with no staff?

  266. 266.

    yet another jeff

    December 15, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    @Mandalay: And then denying that she will refuse to speak to leaders if they don’t meet preconditions.

  267. 267.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    @burnspbesq:
    Bite’em onna neck! Yeah!

  268. 268.

    yet another jeff

    December 15, 2015 at 10:37 pm

    Someone replaced Kasich’s arms with Muppet arms some time after the first debate.

  269. 269.

    Mandalay

    December 15, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    Rand Paul says nobody in the Middle East is doing anything about Syrian refugees….

    Millions fleeing Syria’s 4-year-old civil war have created an international refugee crisis, but no country has borne the brunt of their flight more than little Lebanon, where every fifth person now living in this country of 4.5 million has escaped from the war.

    That would be comparable to 64 million refugees from Mexico living in the United States.

    And Rubio is shitting his pants about the United States taking ten thousand refugees – about 1% of what Lebanon has done.

  270. 270.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 15, 2015 at 10:43 pm

    …

    Clinton supporter talking to Bernie supporter: “How can we miss you if you won’t fuck off?”

    Clinton supporter making.shit.up about what a Bernie supporter actually said.

    Clinton supporter ridiculing the notion of having a _debate_ … in a democratic society.

    Very … Trumpian.

  271. 271.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    @Mandalay:
    No no no, you don’t get it. To Rand Paul, the people of the Middle East are nobodies.

  272. 272.

    Heliopause

    December 15, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    Carson: Kim is starving his own people, and we should capitalize on that.

    As Jesus commanded.

  273. 273.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Proof that those people are Clinton supporter? Links?

  274. 274.

    Emma

    December 15, 2015 at 10:50 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Bernie supporter to Clinton supporter: “If Hillary gets the nomination, I won’t bother to vote.”

    Bernie supporter spreading Republican talking points about Clinton.

    Etc., etc. Two (or more) can play that game.

    And before you explode, I’m neither a Clinton or a Sanders supporter. I am a Democratic nominee supporter and will crawl over broken glass to vote for whichever wins the nomination.

  275. 275.

    Arm The Homeless

    December 15, 2015 at 10:53 pm

    @Emma

    Fuggin-A!

    SCOTUS noms have turned me into a strategic voter. The Bernie fans I know completely agree. I guess we know the vector for the Puma v. 2.0

  276. 276.

    MomSense

    December 15, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @SFAW:

    It’s all a blur now. They are on a loop of I’m so strong Obama Clinton so weak. Then all of a sudden they want to punch Russia in the nose or start a nuclear war.

  277. 277.

    Renie

    December 15, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    Did I miss something and President Obama is running for office? They all keep talking about him as if he is a candidate.

  278. 278.

    Heliopause

    December 15, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    Reince Pubis?

  279. 279.

    Renie

    December 15, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    Can someone explain how Christie has made American safe since 911? And even though it may not be p.c to say this but Carly is a bitch

  280. 280.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 15, 2015 at 11:05 pm

    Emma,

    Hillary is the best Republican in the country. Hands down.

  281. 281.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: What is Hillary’s party registration?

    ETA: Learn to link your replies. It is not complicated. You just click a button.

  282. 282.

    Emma

    December 15, 2015 at 11:11 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: I’ll take her over any of the clowns in that debate.

  283. 283.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 15, 2015 at 11:13 pm

    And Emma, you _literally_ did what I was objecting to about Clinton supporters, inventing a quote and attributing it to a Bernie supporter.

    It’s sleazy, what I think of as, “Clintonian”.

    Don’t assume your … Clintonian … dishonesty and rudeness will play well in the General Election against Trump. It’ll likely backfire. Badly.

  284. 284.

    Amir Khalid

    December 15, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    @Thoughtful Today:
    Does Hillary ever say anything as shallow and uninformed as what you’ve heard from the Republican candidates tonight?

  285. 285.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 11:16 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Link your damned replies. Is standard blog conduct beneath you?

  286. 286.

    Emma

    December 15, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Funny. That quote was said to me, directly, by a Sanders supporter — two bumper-stickers in the car and all.

    And one bit of advice about insulting someone. You need a certain finesse and rhythm to do it properly. You lack them wholly.

  287. 287.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    @Emma: FWIW common opinion around here is that TT is ratfucker, not a real Bernista.. May or may not be true. The unwillingness to directly respond, etc. comes into play. Anyway, your judgment – just bear it in mind.

  288. 288.

    Poptartacus

    December 15, 2015 at 11:28 pm

    Trump, trump trump TRUMPITY trump it’s lke a drumbeat across the land. He will crush the enemies of the faithful and make America great again

  289. 289.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 15, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    Emma, your quote appears attributable to me. It’s clearer to say:

    A Clinton supporter called me a “ratfucker” today.

  290. 290.

    cmorenc

    December 15, 2015 at 11:40 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    Woe is America if any of these klowns gets with 10 blocks of the White House.

    It’s only the last block that you have to worry about. The other nine are so easy anyone can do it.

  291. 291.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 15, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    …

    “Does Hillary ever say anything as shallow and uninformed as what you’ve heard from the Republican candidates tonight?”

    Yes.

    Hillary claimed bank regulations were inconceivable because of 9/11.

    Hillary claimed free State College education was inconceivable because Trump’s children might take advantage of it. (After it was widely reported Trump’s kids all went to private Universities, she _repeated_ that sleazy talking point).

    And a Syrian no-fly zone? … It seemed like a massive failure to understand geopolitics. But, hey, I also recognize her vote for the Iraq War as leading to largely predicted chaos in the entire region and one of the (many) dominoes that led to Syria being invaded by Daesh.

  292. 292.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 15, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: Come on. Talk directly to me. Anyway, I merely mentioned a consensus. I didn’t call you anything.

    You support Bernie? Engage in debate and discussion. Not innuendo and bad faith. Moi, I think that Sanders is above your level of innuendo slinging, so I doubt that he would approve of you.

  293. 293.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 16, 2015 at 12:15 am

    FTR: I’m using NoScript with a deleted whitelist, that means scripty benefits like the “Reply” button and instant-editing don’t work, but my [Back-button] does. And no, I don’t expect to turn scripts back on.

  294. 294.

    Thoughtful Today

    December 16, 2015 at 12:16 am

    To be clear:

    Giuliani’s invocation of 9/11 was grossly repulsive. Hillary using 9/11 to champion deregulated banks was even more grotesque.

    Hillary condemning free State College’s because of the _lie_ that Trump’s kids might use it was particularly surreal as an educated polity would be more resilient to demagogues like Trump (but might also not fall for 9/11.bank.deregulation illogic).

    Militant knee-jerk responses by Hillary _did_ leave a trail of dead bodies that are _still_ piling up in Iraq and now Syria. Her failure to connect the dots in Syria, a long-time Russian ally, with her ‘no-fly’ advocacy, illustrated _consistently_ bad foreign policy judgement.

    Still, best Republican in the country, based on _policies_.

    Clear?

  295. 295.

    John Cole

    December 16, 2015 at 12:53 am

    @redshirt:

    Like he reads anything here.

    Blow me. As to Raven’s concerns, I’m a non drinker. Other people drink and even talk about it. It doesn’t people bother me in the least. I don’t drink because I choose not to, and hearing people talk about it isn’t going to change that.

  296. 296.

    Stephen

    December 16, 2015 at 1:52 am

    Worst game of soggy biscuit ever.

  297. 297.

    sukabi

    December 16, 2015 at 2:53 am

    It’s unlikely that those responsible for changing the water supply to the river didn’t know, seems like they would have to test the water BEFORE making the switch, especially since the river was discontinued as a supply due to pollution.

    Since general motors stopped using the water in their facilities, the city and state were more than likely made aware at that time that there was a serious problem. I can’t imagine that GM wouldn’t have said something, or that the loss of revenue from a major facility bringing in it’s own water wasn’t questioned by someone in gov.

  298. 298.

    sukabi

    December 16, 2015 at 3:17 am

    @Leto: so is torture, really think they give a damn?

  299. 299.

    raven

    December 16, 2015 at 5:23 am

    @John Cole: Sorry bubba, didn’t mean to bigfoot you.

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