Gotta admit, this is a pretty effective approach, considering the intended audience:
His appalling politics aside, the biggest knock on Cruz is that he’s such an unlikable sumbitch, even to fellow wingnuts. Sounds like someone on his communications staff gets that and has a strategy to counter it.
Leaving the vile subject of the clown car aside, what do y’all think will happen at tonight’s Democratic debate? I’m annoyed by the timing of it since I have plans and will only be able to watch sporadically if at all.
Will Sanders complain about DNC favoritism? Will Clinton attack the Sanders campaign for data peeking? Or will they shake and move on? I honestly don’t know, but I’m hoping for the latter.
Germy
It will be up on youtube in its entirety.
At least until president-elect Trump shuts down that part of the internet.
Baud
They will try to move past it, but the TV moderators won’t let them.
Iowa Old Lady
At a party last night, a guy repeatedly insisted Trump was not a Republican. Someone asked who he’d prefer as the R nominee and he said Kasich with Rubio as his VP. He’s apparently stunned by what’s happened to his party and refuses to accept it.
Baud
Sorry, Cruz still looks creepy in that video. If those are his real children, they seem cute enough. Maybe they should run for the nomination.
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady: He’ll learn to accept it.
Keith G
I think that the natural tendency of both Senator Sanders and Hillary Clinton will be to just move on to other topics. That’s not to say that there are those below them in their respective campaigns who would like to do a little punching because that’s what those types of people like to do. The Democratic Party is so far removed from the narrative of this campaign that I don’t think they could find it with Google Maps.
Even if it is the case, and it certainly is, that the feverish claims of GOP candidates are wildly inaccurate, those are still by and large the only claims being heard by the public and amplified through the media. The Democratic Party and its candidates have got to start making some fucking noise in the good way.
Right now, everyday, the only noise being heard are the attacks against Democrats in general and Obama and HRC in specific. There are very few arrows being shot the other direction and I feel that beyond doubt this is having an impact.
Botsplainer
What a fucking prick. Catch the cheap shots at Boehner on that cover?
Only WE can take those cheap shots at Boehner. From him, they’re unseemly.
schrodinger's cat
Not going to watch a Cruz video. Thanks but no thanks.
Baud
David Atkins has put up an explanation of yesterday’s brouhaha. Seems pretty fair.
Suzanne
I hope quite fervently that Cruz wins the nomination, and then all of the people in his own party who hate him sabotage his campaign and he loses huge. That would gave the kind of narrative arc I so enjoy.
Back when Janet Napolitano was running for AZ governor, her opponent was Matt Salmon, a Mormon dude who is a total conservative asshole. Salmon lost, and he attributes that to anti-Mormon bias, citing a large number of ballots in which the voter went straight Republican for every other race on the ballot, and didn’t vote for anyone for governor. I always loved the poetry of that: the bigot being stopped by other bigots.
I desperately hope for the Cruz asshole being stopped by other assholes.
Keith G
Also, as much as I like Bernie as a thought leader for the left side of our politics, I certainly hope that in this debate he will begin to try to show that he gives a shit about the details of foreign policy. Not everything can be addressed through the lens of fighting economic inequity.
John Cole
I hate him.
Just Some Fuckhead
Is the person on the right the one who married Ted Cruz and mates with him? Because ewwwww.
bystander
Kristen Welker on MSNBC reported that HRC is already acting as if she had the NOMINATION! Lady MacClinton’s quote which serves as the basis of this latest outrage that has enraged our liberal press? “When I am President…” The rest of the statement is irrelevant since it’s the uppityness of her ASSumptions that is the source of the outrage. No mention that every repub candidate has said the exact same thing.
I’m hoping they bury the hatchet pronto. Bernie has btw screwed whatever chances he ever had by labeling himself a socialist. Were he nominated, the liberal press would continue to precede every mention of his name with the word “socialist,” clearly enunciated with an emphasis on the final consonant.
Baud
@bystander:
It’s a competitive field, but that has got to be the dumbest media analysis I’ve heard in a good while.
Baud
On the mobile site, I wish the next post, previous post buttons were on the top again. That would make navigation easier, since now you have to scroll to the end of the post to get to them.
Baud
@bystander:
@Baud:
I was speaking of Welker, in case I wasn’t clear.
Matt McIrvin
@Keith G: The whole thing seems like it should be so inside baseball that nobody who’s not a political junkie should care about it.
But it still has me seriously spooked. The electoral-vote.com guy linked to an article that he thought implied that Clinton was going to make the data breach a major issue at the debate–which struck me as suicidally stupid. But it turned out to be this Politico article which I don’t think actually says anything of the kind. Also, it’s from yesterday evening and I think is already out of date.
Shell
@bystander: The only difference is the Repub candidates preface it with ‘On day one I will….”
1. Repeal Obamacare. 2. Build a wall on the border 3. Bomb ISIS
Take your pick.
JPL
That’s a spoof right? I thought it was a Hillary ad.
wow.. guess that’s his ad.
Hildebrand
Oh, look, another Democratic debate on a Saturday night. Swell. Way to maximize the number of folks who will actually watch the thing, O wise DNC.
WereBear
Why is this considered such a deal-breaker? The only folks I know who believe in socialist cooties wouldn’t vote for a Democrat anyway.
Betty Cracker
@Hildebrand: And again during a big football game. There’s not a doubt in my mind the DNC planned this debate schedule to minimize viewership.
cckids
I had NPR on yesterday & they were interviewing a man in TN; (where apparently Cruz is “surging”), and he kept insisting that people who met Cruz “LOVED him”, that the more time Cruz spent in TN the better he would do, because he “is so engaging personally”.
How the reporter didn’t point out that this is exactly contrary to EVERY REPORT FROM EVERYWHERE that Cruz has spent time, I do not know. Cruz is the least engaging public human I can think of.
RaflW
OT, but there is a petition up demanding DWS resign as DNC chair. Of course it won’t matter, but I’m enjoying that it has about 31,000 signatures already.
rikyrah
It’s the “clock kid” all over again: A 12-year-old Sikh boy is the latest victim of racist terrorism paranoia
Imagine that your twelve-year-old son doesn’t come home one day after school. You’re always worried about him because he’s not even a teenager but has already required three open heart surgeries thanks to a congenital condition. He’s not a tough kid but a “goofball,” and you’ve recently moved from San Antonio to Arlington, a suburb of Dallas, Texas, where everything is bigger, including the trouble. Nobody is telling you where he is. Nobody will answer your questions. He’s just…disappeared.
School officials aren’t helping. Neither are the police. Eventually, you discover that he’s being held in a juvenile detention center. He’s born and raised in Texas. An American citizen. A kid.
Why did the Arlington police hold a twelve-year-old boy with a heart condition for three days without alerting his parents? Why did the school principal call the police in the first place?
Because his name is Armaan Singh Sarai, his working-class Indian family is Sikh, and a “bully” at his school accused him of having a bomb in his backpack.
According to a Facebook post by Ginee Haer, who identifies herself as his cousin,
“On Friday, December 11th, 2015, my cousin attended school, like any other normal 12 year old child. A bully in class thought it would be funny to accuse him of having a bomb, and so the principal, without any questioning, interrogation, or notification to his parents, called the police. Worried & frightened at home, his family was concerned as to why he had not reached home right after school. They started calling every police department in the area, only to find out he was sent to a Juvenile facility. They kept him held behind bars for three consecutive days, before finally releasing him on Monday, December 15th.”
Armaan had carried a “power bag” to school, meaning his backpack has a built-in battery charger for a cell phone. Numerous companies sell these bags, which are not cheap but popular enough to be sold out right now in several styles and categories on Amazon. “The student in front of me, who is the one who made the accusation. . . said that [the backpack] looked like a bomb,” [Armaan] Singh said, per a report in the Washington Post. “Then Friday. . . I came back to that period and he was in front of me again and he said ‘I’m going to go tell on you. I’m going to go tell on you and say all this stuff about you. I’m going to go tell on you.’ Singh said he laughed at the other student, who did the same.
But the other student wasn’t joking. He made good on his threat, telling the teacher that Armaan had a bomb. The teacher told the principal, who called the police, which came to school and “grabbed” him. Now at home because he’s been suspended from school, Armaan must wear an ankle monitor as he awaits his court date. Though he is twelve years old, it is currently unclear whether he’ll be tried as a juvenile or an adult, and what charges he will face for the crime of carrying a trendy backpack to school.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/18/its_the_clock_kid_all_over_again_a_12_year_old_sikh_boy_is_the_latest_victim_of_racist_terrorism_paranoia/
Brachiator
This don’t mean squat. Cruz is moving up in the polls, and he is very, very, fortunate that GOP grandees have such deep fear and loathing of Donald Trump. Cruz is also reaps benefit from the inability of Jeb! to make any impression with voters. People confuse politics with a popularity contest. Cruz appeals to the heart of Tea Party people. This makes him formidable despite his creepiness.
There have been some stories in the Guardian suggesting that Sanders is going to be more forceful in his criticisms of Clinton. He may play up HRC’s Iraq vote. They also suggest that he may claim that her support of the US role in regime change, especially in Libya, aided in the rise of ISIS.
I would like to hear them talk about the idiotic tax package that was recently passed, and their ideas about the economy even more than I want to hear them talk about foreign policy.
Hildebrand
@Betty Cracker: It makes no sense. Even if the DNC was trying to rig the game for Clinton, why would they think minimizing viewers would be something that she would want. If I were Hilary, I would be pretty damned pissed that they kept burying me on a Saturday night. The entire leadership of the DNC needs to get whacked – they are unbelievably bad at their jobs.
RaflW
@Iowa Old Lady:
Your acquaintance has interesting delusions. Oh, I mean preferences – those are free to be exercised of course, but really, that combo-platter is très amusant. Kasich is not going to be the nominee. Just unpossible in this cycle, with this GOP base.
Satby
Won’t watch, don’t care anymore, really beginning to hate everybody involved. If I didn’t have to move to Florida for my mom I’d be investigating places to expatriate to.
Iowa Old Lady
@RaflW: I don’t think he had much hope Kasich and/or Rubio would happen. What was interesting to me was how he tried to disown Trump by claiming he wasn’t a Republican. This guy is a lifelong R, and he wants to keep on being one. To do that, he has to claim that the Republican party is something other than the people who belong to it and vote for it. It’s like some sort of Platonic ideal R party, not the one acting out in front of him.
Brachiator
@Betty Cracker:
I don’t think this matters as much as people think. You could also argue that scheduling the debate during the start of the holiday season is dumb. Either way, I don’t know anyone who is not a political junkie who cares about any of the debates. And when you get down to it, neither Clinton nor Sanders are as exciting as Trump. And the third Democratic guy? I keep having to remind myself that he is even in the room.
I keep hearing that something magical would happen if we had more Democratic Party debates, and more media coverage of Clinton and Sanders, but especially Sanders. People who believe this also love to get Xmas cards with long stories about the sender’s family.
RaflW
@Iowa Old Lady:
Yeah. I think the personal identity thing in politics makes people do odd mental gymnastics to avoid having to question whether the long-held self-ID really fits any more. A great many people just never want to reflect on their own stuff, much less who/what their “team” really cheers for.
WereBear
I am getting so sick of people who act like they can build their own reality and live in it. We should set up a “Matrix option” for such folks so they can at least contribute to the grid.
Calouste
@Iowa Old Lady: And he ignores that Kasich as just as much of a nutter as the rest of them. I’m pretty sure Kasich also said that he didn’t want Syrian refugees in his state. And he came up with the Office for the Promotion of Christian-Judeo Values or something along those lines.
Thoughtful Today
National televised debates (on days when people will _watch_, not the Saturday before Christmas) expand the Democratic Party’s message, reach, and power and were CRUCIAL in electing a black man named Hussein in 2008. But the debates that helped the Democratic Party, didn’t help Hillary. Hillary and her ally Debbie Wasserman Schultz know this.
Let me be crystal clear:
Hillary, through her ally Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s DNC Chair, is knowingly hurting the Democratic Party’s best chances to expand it’s membership through the massive free media of National Debates in order to forward her own career.
Matt McIrvin
@RaflW:
Though the “burn it all down” lefties would argue the same thing about us Democrats.
dogwood
DWS has no more power than RP on the Republican side. Political parties don’t have the influence they used to have at any level. The rank and file now get their marching orders from bloggers, Facebook warriors, chain emails and AstroTurf grifters. And most voters don’t watch any of these primary debates.
VidaLoca
@Hildebrand:
People keep raging about the Democratic Party as run by the likes of DWS/Chuck Schumer/Rahm Emanuel as being “unbelievably bad” at its job — yet on the national level nothing changes while on the state level the Republicans make incremental gains with every election cycle. Is it possible that the DP is Working As Intended (rather than as “working as you dream”) by the people who ultimately control it rather than by the people it claims to represent?
Botsplainer
I kind of like a lot of the things Bernie says, but figure something is wrong with him given how much I despise his loudest partisans.
Plus, he’s genuinely unelectable, with zero crossover and no voting booth solidarity kicking in – he won’t over perform precincts like Hill will. Those meme photos of him ranting while scowling are a massive error.
Emma
Back in dinosaur times, when I got my BS in Political Science, it was already known that there were two kinds of voters: those of us political junkies who watched every step of the dance, and the vast majority, that couldn’t give two flying farts until the last couple of months before the election. The dynamics have changed somewhat, but not enough to make me think that it would change this election.
Baud
@Emma: I agree. Most people don’t care enough about poltics at this early stage.
Betty Cracker
@Botsplainer: Honestly, I think the loudest partisans for every candidate are insufferable.
Baud
@Matt McIrvin: That’s because they’re condescending.
Another Holocene Human
@Baud: His face reminds me of cartoon Adam Sandler in Hotel Transylvania.
Which is a dreary movie with one really funny scene.
Baud
@Calouste: He’s not nuttier. Doesn’t mean he’s not nutty.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: Especially mine!
I wouldn’t have it any other way, however.
Another Holocene Human
@Matt McIrvin:
Doesn’t it? This kind of shit happens. The Berniacs riding their purity ponies were having emotional meltdowns, though. It could be that Bernie campaign workers did something shitty and impolitic, it had to be that DWS had her finger on the scale. And DWS probably does, it’s the DNC, not the NFL referees’ union. Hillary Clinton has powerful allies throughout the Dem party and Bernie doesn’t, and it’s not because Bernie’s views are more radical.
Christ, call for DWS’ resignation because she sucks at getting Democrats elected, not because something something pulling for Hillary something.
Villago Delenda Est
@bystander: Cripes, you’re a idiot.
Botsplainer
If you like hearing really drunk women of “a certain age” blather on (and not about how you never listen to or actually care about their concerns, goddammit), I give you Susana Martinez, Governor of New Mexico. She’s berating people about a police visit over a loud hotel party she was at, where one of the complaints was about bottles being tossed off a balcony. Woman was clearly hammered.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/listen-new-mexicos-republican-governor-harasses-cops-after-hotel-party-draws-noise-complaint/comments/#disqus
Another Holocene Human
@RaflW: I’m tempted to sign it myself except that if 2014 didn’t get her booted, nothing will.
Thoughtful Today
I keep reading complaints about Bernie supporters’ incivility.
This is just a _short_ list from Balloon-Juice Clinton supporters from just a few posts in the last 24 hours:
Clinton supporter Chyron HR: “Is there a single Sanders supporter who isn’t a shrieking psychotic moron?”
Clinton supporter FlipYrWhig: “Is there a Sanders supporter who isn’t a zealot, fantasist, and excuse-maker, and can someone send her over to the blog instead of this bag of dicks from the last two days? Kthxbai.”
Clinton supporter Chyron HR: “playing dead for Messiah Bernie is not enough to placate His disciples.”
Clinton supporter magurakurin: “The hardcore Sanders people are absolutely delusional, but in the end they won’t matter a whit.”
Clinton supporter FlipYrWhig: “As much as I like Sanders, SO MANY of his supporters are proving themselves to be a bunch of whiners and conspiratorial loons.”
Clinton supporter satby: “Most of the Sanders supporters I personally know don’t vote at all, and have a kindergarten level of understanding about how our system of government works.”
Clinton supporters descriptions of Sanders supporters:
Matt McIrvin: “conspiracy-mongering from the most vocal fringe of Sanders supporters,”
NonyNony: “the nuttiest Sanders supporters”
geg6: “… the Sanders people all seem to me to be that entire subset of the Dem party that are the worst kind of emoprogs. So they are going to whine and cry and stomp their feet either way.”
Bobby Thomson: “All the childish entitlement in this campaign is coming from the Sanders camp.”
Paul in KY: “You are effing cray cray!!!! Did you escape from Bellvue? They’ll track you down sooner or later…”
…
And any of these Clinton trolls who tries to claim they aren’t exactly what they are should be condemned to an eternity of perpetually redefining what ‘is’ ‘is’.
Botsplainer
If you like hearing really drunk women of “a certain age” blather on (and not about how you never listen to or actually care about their concerns, goddammit), I give you Susana Martinez, Governor of New Mexico. She’s berating people about a police visit over a loud hotel party she was at, where one of the complaints was about bottles being tossed off a balcony. Woman was clearly hammered.
Another Holocene Human
@rikyrah: WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?!?!?!
I’d say how I feel, but somebody would report me to the FBI.
Botsplainer
@Thoughtful Today:
Fuck you and your horse. Purity progs need curb stomping at every possible opportunity.
Now go play with your giant puppets.
Villago Delenda Est
@Baud: DING DING DING DING DING
My nym. Over and over again.
Wipe them out. All of them.
Baud
@rikyrah: Damn. I hope that goes viral. It’s the kid’s only chance.
Villago Delenda Est
@Thoughtful Today: I utterly loathe Naderite fucks. And I’m going to vote for Bernie, if I get a chance, as my state’s primary is in May.
Thoughtful Today
…
Clinton supporter Another Holocene Human speaking of Bernie: “His face reminds me of cartoon Adam Sandler in Hotel Transylvania.”
Clinton supporter Another Holocene Human: “The Berniacs riding their purity ponies were having emotional meltdowns…”
…
Gosh. Remember last month when only a monster like Trump would insult someone’s face?
Baud
@Thoughtful Today: in the first quote, he was speaking of Cruz.
Another Holocene Human
@VidaLoca: Have you ever met Democratic Party staffers? They hire the best, the brightest, the hardest working. And they pay well. That’s a lot of people in on the conspiracy, is my point.
I don’t think our corporate overlords are particularly pleased with the Suicide Caucus. And while Berniacs may not want to hear it, Pelosi and Reid have been skilled at keeping the 1% mostly happy (bruised Wall St egos notwithstanding … so sad Barack doesn’t love them any more) while improving the lives of the 99%. It’s not radical change but it is change we can believe in.
No, I think the DNC gets run by people who are party insiders, sometimes unfortunately dolled over human garbage like DWS, iCarly with a Florida Blue Key, not by people who are the most skilled at winning campaigns and winning states. Some of those folks are hired guns, some of those folks are working for state parties. The other issue is that DNC can’t really win those state races. That has to happen at the state party level. Some state parties are doing great; others are basket cases. Due to the usual stupid human problems you have WI putting up candidates that can’t win statewide, MA putting up cronies who get vetoed by the burbs, or FL with its hilarious (not) regional infighting. I’ve watched our state party botch so many winnable races I want to cry. But it’s not just the party, it’s the members too, as our last gubernatorial election proved. “My pony lost! I’m quitting! You’ll miss me when I’m gone!”
Another Holocene Human
@Botsplainer: Plus there’s a bit of a scandal with his wife’s former job which the Republicans would have a fucking field day with were he the nominee.
Baud
@Another Holocene Human: ?
Brachiator
@Thoughtful Today:
What, did someone cancel the debates?
Meanwhile, I assume that you have volunteered for some street level “get out the vote” activities. This, not just “free media” is crucial.
Another Holocene Human
@Botsplainer: Didn’t they send little boys to prison, 13 years old, for lobbing rocks over a guardrail onto the interstate?
Another Holocene Human
@Villago Delenda Est: Forget it, you’re responding to regurgitated, refried troll.
And may I be the first to say: ewwww.
Thoughtful Today
…
Hillary supporter [Another Holocene Human] insulting the _emotional_ nature of Bernie supporters: “The Berniacs riding their purity ponies were having emotional meltdowns…”
Remember that the next time Hillary pulls out the Gender card to trump economic concerns of mothers trying to get by on less than $15 an hour, pay for their kids (still) expensive corporate health insurance and save for their kids (still) expensive public college.
Hillary supporters think mothers who support Bernie because he’s offering them a living wage and free health care and college for their children are just having “emotional meltdowns”.
Another Holocene Human
@Baud: ROFLMAO right now hahahahahaha
I think I startled the cat.
Chyron HR
@Thoughtful Today:
Considering how your rhetoric becomes even more spittle-flecked than usual when the topic of the evil scheming DWS comes up, I’m thinking there’s a minor tidbit about Bern’s background of which his fervent supporters are not yet aware.
Another Holocene Human
@Baud: Well, this story came up top with copycats by the usual right wing fever swamps, but I think the real scandal has to do with the fact that she embarked on this massive building/expansion plan and left the place in a horrible financial state when she retired.
Thoughtful Today
Add:
Clinton supporters that threaten (I’m sure _rhetorical_) violence:
Botsplainer : “Purity progs need curb stomping at every possible opportunity.”
Queue the Rush Limbaugh-like ‘can’t you take a joke’ defense.
Satby
@Thoughtful Today: Keep grinding that axe cupcake. I said I’d vote for a Mars bar, that hardly makes me a Clinton supporter.
Besides, my votes belong to Baud.
Another Holocene Human
Posted without comment.
Hillary Clinton endorses fight for a $15 minimum wage
Washington Post
“We need you out there leading the fight against those who would rip away Americans’ right to organize,” she said.
By Lydia DePillis June 7
DETROIT, Mich. — In one of the most explicitly union-friendly speeches of her young presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton called in to a convention of low-wage workers Sunday morning to deliver a message of support and solidarity.
“All of you should not have to march in the streets to get a living wage, but thank you for marching in the streets to get that living wage,” she said. “We need you out there leading the fight against those who would rip away Americans’ right to organize, to collective bargaining, to fair pay.”
Baud
@Satby: And you’re not even insufferable. It proves I have crossover appeal.
Brachiator
@Thoughtful Today:
If you really are a Sanders supporter, you are not helping yourself or your candidate here.
Botsplainer
@Another Holocene Human:
But if you listen to the audio, nobody is throwing bottles off the balcony, and if they were doing it it was six hours ago and the people who did it were long gone. We’re just eating pizza and drinking cokes, now tell me who complained….
Baud
@Another Holocene Human: The story headline is misleading. Her proposal is for a $12 national minimum wage but with automatic increases.
Villago Delenda Est
@Botsplainer: ….so I can have my posse hunt them down and learn them to complain about anything me or my friends might do, no matter how egregious.
Botsplainer
@Villago Delenda Est:
I gotta say, I like a good throw down party as much as anybody else, but she shoulda just kept her mouth shut. This will metastasize, and I’ve listened to enough drunk middle aged women to know what hammered sounds like.
Thoughtful Today
Villago Delenda Est: “I utterly loathe Naderite fucks.”
I hear ya.
I actually _do_ have a sense of humor, despite the rumor. It’s honestly hilarious to me (in the most cynical sense) that I’m a more loyal Democratic Party voter than Hillary Clinton.
“And I’m going to vote for Bernie, if I get a chance, as my state’s primary is in May.”
I think there will be surreal amounts of pressure applied by Clinton supporters for Bernie to quite before February is out.
Another Holocene Human
@Baud: $12 is a higher starting place that the majority of passed $15 wage ordnances in the last few years. They’re all phased in.
dogwood
@Thoughtful Today:
Do you really believe that Bernie will deliver free healthcare, free college and a living wage? Congress isn’t going to change significantly in 2016.
Another Holocene Human
We started rattling our hammers and sickles in Gainesville for Fight for Fifteen and the new president of UF, Fuchs (“Fox”), magnimanimously moved to increase the definitely not prevailing wage, I’ll see you in Tallahassee! hourly wage of their building workers from minimum wage to $10/hr. What a hero! Note: you still cannot pay bills at $10/hr in Gainesville, FL.
Baud
@Another Holocene Human: I wasn’t commenting on Hillary’s proposal. I just thought the way the headline was phrased could give someone the wrong impression of what she was proposing.
chopper
@Botsplainer:
this latest kerfuffle over the VAN database has really convinced me that bernie’s campaign is a total mickey mouse operation. even more so than before.
this was a relatively simple political test and the dude just straight-up blew it. he’d get creamed in the general, not necessarily because of his policies, but because that sort of two-bit organization is gonna get steamrolled.
Thoughtful Today
Another Holocene Human, nowhere in the article you link does it have Hillary stating she supports a $15 national minimum wage.
Try again. This time with, you know, an actual quote from Hillary, and not just a misleading headline making claims that Hillary hasn’t, to my knowledge, ever made.
I’d sincerely love to be wrong.
Oldgold
At Washington Monthly there is a good article on what occurred by someone who understands the ins and outs of what actually occurred. It is a good and clarifying read.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_12/an_explanation_of_what_bernie059035.php
Anya
@rikyrah: This is much worst than the clock kid. WTF, America? We’re truly screwed. It’s scary how many ‘responsible’ adults participated in this kid’s persecution.
Thoughtful Today
lol, Another Holocene Human
Classic Clinton [cough right-wing cough] math: Link to a lie about numbers that makes Hillary look good, don’t acknowledge the falsehood after it’s been pointed out, instead respond with a post that claims $12 is greater than $15.
…
Look, I get that those ‘phased in’ wage increases take interminably long to climb to, but from what I’ve read Hillary is supporting ‘PHASING IN’ $12 over similar periods of time.
It’s the same bullshit Bill Clinton, who’s right-wing economic policies oversaw a MASSIVE redistribution of wealth _from_ the middle class _to_ the richest.
It’s the biggest reason Clinton supporters keep trashing wealth inequality: WEALTH INEQUALITY INCREASED UNDER BILL CLINTON.
Hillary’s billionaire employers reaped MASSIVE financial gains from Bill’s right-wing economic policies.
Follow.the.money.
Another Holocene Human
@Thoughtful Today: Kao-nashi cracked a smile? Glad to be of service, T_T.
FlipYrWhig
@Thoughtful Today: uh oh, I was mean after a solid day of Bernie people explaining that their candidate’s staffers’ malfeasance, and the after effects of same, principally meant that Clinton had rigged a trap to embarrass poor virtuous Bernie who never gets a fair shake, and also that they didn’t do anything, and also that the Clinton campaign was running scared, and also that the punishment was too harsh. It’s fucking embarrassing for The Left to act this way every time there’s an election: it’s not that we’re losing, it’s that THE MAN FEARS US AND KEEPS US DOWN AND IF ONLY THE PEOPLE KNEW. You have plenty of chances to win. Republican insurgent candidates win even when it’s an uphill battle. Start winning some uphill battles and stop whining about how it’s tooooo haaaard and the other people are sooooo meeeeean.
Another Holocene Human
@Thoughtful Today: A hamburger today beats two hamburgers tomorrow.
Why do you think Bernie will be able to implement $15 min wage on day one without Congress?
Hildebrand
@VidaLoca: It is a simple matter of competence. It cannot be that hard for the DNC to figure out how to maximize viewership for debates. It cannot be that hard for the DNC chair to support the President on the big ticket issues. It shouldn’t be that hard for the DNC to run competent off year elections – what strategy does the DNC have in place for the mid-term elections?. I recognize that the parties don’t function in the same way as they used to, but honestly, wouldn’t it be nice to have folks in the home office who actually seemed to do the work necessary to try to win back control of Congress? Or at least seem to be trying to do so?
Germy
@Hildebrand:
I don’t have cable (except for internet). The only TV I get is broadcast. I actually have a rabbit ear antenna next to my television.
And I can watch tonight’s debate on a network channel. I don’t give a crap about football and neither does my wife. The GOP has had their debates on cable stations.
Of course, there is youtube. I’m pretty sure if I needed to absolutely watch the game tonight, I could go on youtube tomorrow and watch the entire debate.
I watched some of the GOP debate online (as much as I could stand). I wasn’t home during the last Democratic debate, so we watched it the next day on youtube.
What a wonderful time to be alive! (as I said when I emerged from the deep freeze and saw the moon pies)
BillinGlendaleCA
@Thoughtful Today:
What do you base this statement on?
The first election that Sec. Clinton could have voted in was 1968(voting age was 21 and her 21st b-day was in late October), is there any evidence she voted for Tricky Dick?
Gvg
@rikyrah: I googled the name and read other news stories about the kid. Unfortunately he actually did make jokes about bombs and admits it. He thought the other kids were joking so he joked back and they all laughed. He is old enough to know kids laugh to go along with things and seem cool. Then they remember all the times they are told to tell an adult these days. Most adults don’t know how to evaluate these things so they call experts and it escalates. Kids just don’t learn early you can’t make that joke. We are trying to teach our eight year old not to mention God with even minor exclamations even though he hears adults doing it often. He doesn’t have the experience to know when it’s ok plus a kid is always vulnerable to an officious adult so it’s a bad idea but he doesn’t understand why. I can see how it happened. Google several versions of the story where they quote the kid himself. It would still be a good idea for adults to clam down though.
jl
I hope the both Sanders and HRC act like grownups, and if the moderators try to draw them into VANgate, they will tell them to shove it and move on to issues.
I was very upset with both campaigns and DNC because I think I saw BS from all of them. I don’t really give a shit what went on behind the scenes, some of the stuff their campaigns did, the way the DNC handled it spelled ‘lose next November’. I sent some, in diplomatic speak, ‘frank and vigorous’ communiqués to them all. Then thought the DSCC might be interested in my thoughts too (‘Are you people going to act like competent grown-ups, do you lik me volunteering and contributing, or will you enjoy your minority status in both chambers under a Trump administration?’. I was in a deranged frenzy unlike anything since the eve of the Iraq invasion.
If Sanders and HRC don’t say what exactly what I told them to about it, the promised phone calls will commence.
BillinGlendaleCA
@jl:
jl for DNC chair!
sm*t cl*de
White people are being scared, therefore someone must be a terrorist.
jc
The way the narrator says, “…you probably hate Christmas, and America,” it’s so obviously said in such a jokey tone that it sounds like they’re mocking themselves, making a joke out of things they say in seriousness. WTF?
bystander
@WereBear: Tell it to McGovern and Dukakis, both of whom were effectively painted as welfare-loving socialists.
@Villago Delenda Est: Thanks for your cogent analysis. Lash out much?
bystander
Let me add: I like Bernie Sanders. But he doesn’t stand a chance in this climate. In a just world, we’d have a President Sanders and a Congress full of Sanders clones. But it isn’t a just world.