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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2016 / Open Thread: Savoring the Ongoing Jeb! Deflation

Open Thread: Savoring the Ongoing Jeb! Deflation

by Anne Laurie|  January 6, 20164:03 pm| 60 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, JEB! = John Ellis Not-Bush 2016, Open Threads, Republican Venality, Assholes

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points for chutzpah pic.twitter.com/LOuCkHkT8f

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 5, 2016

The man deserves to be publicly humiliated, for vicious lies like this as well as his general ineptitude. And he is very inept — only Jeb could manage to get crosswise of the NRA bragging about what kind of award “Moses” actually presented to him…

Jeb, at New Hampshire town hall, told his staff no need for a microphone, the room and crowd are really small. Ouch.

— Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) January 5, 2016

Mr. Pierce, in Esquire, “Searching for the Ghost of Jeb(!)’s Campaign in New Hampshire”:

… Of all the candidates in this election, Jeb (!) is the most poignant figure of all. He had the money and he had the establishment credentials and he had the sharp people to run his campaign for him, and they were supposed to have been sharp enough even to save him from the damage to the family brand wrought by his older brother during the eight years of the Avignon Presidency. What he did not reckon with was being made into a figure of ridicule by a vulgar talking yam and his campaign without conscience. Jeb (!) is the only Republican that He, Trump mentions by name at his rallies, and only then as a punchline. Jeb (!) was ready for anything but that. He has been the perfect grist for what has become the very weird political culture of the party to which his family has been so central for almost three decades…

So there he is, a dark suit against a brick wall, slumping a bit, and trying to demonstrate the kind of energy that He, Trump keeps saying Jeb (!) doesn’t have. His pitch is conventional Republican conservatism, weighted heavily toward handing most of the federal regulatory authority—and a lot of the federal social safety net—back to the states. It is not so much that Jeb (!) is low energy. It is that he can’t seem to energize anyone else. Nothing flows out from him. There are two ways you can go with this. You can offer yourself as a living embodiment of your audience’s hopes and dreams, or its anger and fears. He, Trump has mastered that. Or you can offer yourself as a contrarian who tells the audience uncomfortable truths about itself and hope that, once engaged that way, the audience will see you as a person of conviction and grudgingly give you the benefit of its doubts. Democratic candidates love to do this, often to their detriment, and this time, for a while, Chris Christie seemed to be toying with the notion, but Big Chicken has gone back to his default setting as the guy at the end of the bar that everyone avoids. Jeb (!) is incapable of doing either one. He’s just…there, a dark suit against a brick wall. The divide between Jeb (!) and one of those cardboard cut-outs of celebrities that people pose with in Times Square is not that wide…

Of course, Politico really admires the way the dumb putz is still out there pitching…

Jeb Bush on Tuesday recounted his private conversation last year with Mitt Romney, reiterating that he has a plan to win the Republican nomination and shrugging off the suggestion that his older brother’s legacy has been an albatross…

“Look, Mitt Romney’s a great guy, and I do consider him a friend, and in that private conversation, we talked about the campaign ‘cause he was thinking about running and I went out to see him. I wanted him to know that I was all in and had a plan to win this, and I still do,” he remarked. “But my brother — if you did the polling and actually looked at it, he’s probably the most popular president amongst Republicans in this country.”…

Appearing on “Fox and Friends” earlier in the morning, Bush declined to get specific as to how he thought he would finish among New Hampshire primary voters.

“Better than expected,” he said during an interview. “Better than expected. You tell me what the expectations are.”

“Top three?” co-host Steve Doocy asked. “Better than expected. I don’t know,” Bush said, before touting his campaign’s ground game in the early states, including New Hampshire. The remarks contrast with Bush’s declaration that he would win the state in November.

“I honestly believe I’m going to win New Hampshire,” he told WMUR at the time.

The next president must cut taxes for people who lost money on Right to Rise. Only fair. https://t.co/P7AsDdxTOF

— daveweigel (@daveweigel) January 5, 2016

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  1. 1.

    Chyron HR

    January 6, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    “But my brother — if you did the polling and actually looked at it, he’s probably the most popular president amongst Republicans in this country.”

    The fact that GWB was not invited to attend, much less speak at, the 2012 Republican National Convention was just a big accident. Oops!

  2. 2.

    David Koch

    January 6, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    Ann Coulter goes full Birth on Raphel Cruz: not naturalized; reverse “anchor baby”

    Ann Coulter ✔ @AnnCoulter

    NYT: Cruz was born outside the U.S. to 1 American parent: “Under the Constitution this makes him a ‘natural born citizen.’” Absolutely false

    7:10 AM – 6 Jan 2016

    274 Retweets
    399 Likes

    Ann Coulter ✔ @AnnCoulter

    Same lawyers who said anchor babies are in the Constitution now tell us being born outside U.S to 1 American parent = natural born citizen.

    7:14 AM – 6 Jan 2016

    253 Retweets
    330 Like

    Gawd, I ❤️‍ this freak show ?

  3. 3.

    David Koch

    January 6, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    Hot off the presses: PPP — New Hampshire — Jan 4 thur 6

    Trump………………..29%
    Lil’ Marco……………15%
    Christie………………11%
    Kasich……………….11%
    Raphel Cruz………10%

    Bring up the bottom

    ¿Jeb ?……………….10%◄

  4. 4.

    David Koch

    January 6, 2016 at 4:33 pm

    PPP — New Hampshire — Jan 4 thur 6

    Clinton…………………..47%
    Sanders…………………44%
    O’Malley………………….3%

    ___________________________________________

    Clinton leads Sanders 55/36 with Democrats
    Sanders leads Clinton 59/29 among non-Democrats

    Clinton leads Sanders 51/38 with women
    Sanders leads Clinton 50/42 with men

    Clinton leads Sanders 54/36 with seniors
    Sanders leads Clinton 46/45 among non-seniors

  5. 5.

    Ben Cisco

    January 6, 2016 at 4:34 pm

    a vulgar talking yam

    That’s quality right there.

  6. 6.

    The Moar You Know

    January 6, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    Gonna go out on a limb here and predict JEB? comes in dead fucking last.

    The GOP was promised their Segregating Savior almost 50 years ago and they’re not going to allow that bill to remain unpaid any longer.

    Also, let’s face it, without that last name JEB? is working as assistant manager at a shady regional bank somewhere. One who will never become the “real” manager.

  7. 7.

    benw

    January 6, 2016 at 4:39 pm

    Shorter Jeb: “Republicans hate n*gg*rs AND b*tch*s.”

  8. 8.

    Germy

    January 6, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    Good news for comedy fans. The Trump/Sanders debate is going on the road.

    James Adomian and Anthony Atamunuik do pitch-perfect impersonations, and their material is great. Ready for prime time

  9. 9.

    FlipYrWhig

    January 6, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    Why do the Bush brothers have such lousy posture? Bar doesn’t seem like the type to allow that from a child.

  10. 10.

    Germy

    January 6, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: She didn’t instruct the staff to tell them to sit up straight.

  11. 11.

    Peale

    January 6, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    So is the point of Roy Moore to get the same decision from the Supreme Court? Why would the court change its mind and overturn same sex marriage without changing it’s composition?

  12. 12.

    Peale

    January 6, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: They got that slouch having to face Bar day after day, hoping that looking small would get her focused on Neil instead.

  13. 13.

    Felonius Monk

    January 6, 2016 at 4:54 pm

    And to add to Jeb?’s ineptness, he bigfoots mistermix. How dare he?

  14. 14.

    Roger Moore

    January 6, 2016 at 4:55 pm

    @FlipYrWhig:

    Bar doesn’t seem like the type to allow that from a child.

    Then she should have raised her children herself, instead of subcontracting to boarding schools.

  15. 15.

    kc

    January 6, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    At some point the exclamation point after every single recitation of his name ceased to be funny.

  16. 16.

    Tommy

    January 6, 2016 at 4:57 pm

    @David Koch: I got family members my brother married into that tell me Obama was not born in the US. It is hard to explain but I kind of love them. I long ago stopped trying to debate them on this or that. But if they get behind Cruz, which I bet they will, I will go all reverse “birther” on them.

  17. 17.

    mdblanche

    January 6, 2016 at 4:59 pm

    @kc: At this point I’m pretty sure it’s only meant to be ironic. I suggest replacing it with a colon followed by an open parentheses.

  18. 18.

    feebog

    January 6, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    If Jeb! finishes 5th or lower in New Hampshire, will he even make it to South Carolina and Nevada?

  19. 19.

    James E Powell

    January 6, 2016 at 5:02 pm

    I’m not following the Republican primaries very much. Not because I’m too cool for the news, but because it gives me agita.

    I do keep track, though, of the various declarations of the demise of the JEB! campaign. It’s all I really want to hear from the GOP race so I assume that it will never happen.

  20. 20.

    David Koch

    January 6, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    @Tommy: hahahahha – why not. Have some fun turning the tables. That’s what I would do.

  21. 21.

    Germy

    January 6, 2016 at 5:05 pm

    @kc:

    At some point the exclamation point after every single recitation of his name ceased to be funny.

    He started it.

  22. 22.

    Tommy

    January 6, 2016 at 5:06 pm

    @feebog: Nope. I often joke my mother has started to vote for Democrats. She said to me the other day isn’t Bush a better person than Cruz or Trump. I almost punched her, then I realized she wasn’t so wrong. How sad is that …..

  23. 23.

    Mike J

    January 6, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    @mdblanche:

    I suggest replacing it with a colon

    Among the first things to spring to mind when I think of Jeb! Bush is a colon.

    Thank god there’s no emoji for that yet.

  24. 24.

    Germy

    January 6, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    “Look, Mitt Romney’s a great guy, and I do consider him a friend, and in that private conversation, we talked about the campaign ‘cause he was thinking about running and I went out to see him. I wanted him to know that I was all in and had a plan to win this, and I still do,” he remarked. “But my brother — if you did the polling and actually looked at it, he’s probably the most popular president amongst Republicans in this country.”…

    Mitt decided not to run because he was convinced he couldn’t defeat the Mighty Inevitability of Jeb’s nomination. And now Mitt’s family catches him now and then with a faraway look in his eyes…

  25. 25.

    Germy

    January 6, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    A grand jury in Waller County, Texas indicted the state trooper who arrested Sandra Bland on Wednesday for perjury, the Houston Chronicle reported.

    Brian Encinia’s indictment came after the jury reconvened last month to review the lack of indictments connected to the case.

  26. 26.

    Mike in NC

    January 6, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    After JEB! crashes and burns in the woods of NH, he’ll be summoned once again to Kennebunkport to face the wrath of Bar.

  27. 27.

    lgerard

    January 6, 2016 at 5:14 pm

    Excellent article in the UK Daily Mail about Bundy’s bodyguard and his fake military background. He is actually a petty thief with a history of DUI and some truly poor tattoos.

    They refer to him as a “big-bellied braggart”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3387117/Stolen-valor-Militiaman-bodyguard-ranchers-Cliven-Ammon-Bundy-posing-retired-Marine-served-Afghanistan-Iraq-boost-combat-credentials.html

  28. 28.

    trollhattan

    January 6, 2016 at 5:15 pm

    Turns out Oregon isn’t the only place upstanding citizens are trying to rob the American public blind.

    Yosemite National Park’s former concessionaire surprised federal officials by quietly trademarking high-profile park names and then “grossly” overvaluing the intellectual property in an unjustified bid for millions of dollars, government lawyers contend in a new legal filing this week.

    With an aggressive, 25-page lawsuit response that foreshadows more maneuvering to come, the Justice Department publicly asserts for the first time that the former Yosemite concessionaire proposed an “improper and wildly inflated” value for the trademarked park names.

    The company, DNC Parks & Resorts at Yosemite Inc., demanded to be paid for the trademarks it valued at $44 million. The National Park Service, by contrast, said the trademarks for such park names as “The Ahwahnee” hotel were worth only $1.63 million.

    “DNCY’s parent company has apparently embarked on a business model whereby it collects trademarks to the names of iconic property owned by the United States,” Justice Department attorney John H. Robertson wrote.

    The parent company, Buffalo, N.Y.-based Delaware North, also has a concession at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and “has a trademark application for the name ‘Space Shuttle Atlantis,’ ” Robertson pointedly noted.

    The company declined to comment Tuesday.

    How are these bastards any different from the Oregon sociopaths, or the pharmacy dudebrodouche?

  29. 29.

    trollhattan

    January 6, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    [Aw crap, I said an FYWP no-no.]
    Turns out Oregon isn’t the only place upstanding citizens are trying to rob the American public blind.

    Yosemite National Park’s former concessionaire surprised federal officials by quietly trademarking high-profile park names and then “grossly” overvaluing the intellectual property in an unjustified bid for millions of dollars, government lawyers contend in a new legal filing this week.

    With an aggressive, 25-page lawsuit response that foreshadows more maneuvering to come, the Justice Department publicly asserts for the first time that the former Yosemite concessionaire proposed an “improper and wildly inflated” value for the trademarked park names.

    The company, DNC Parks & Resorts at Yosemite Inc., demanded to be paid for the trademarks it valued at $44 million. The National Park Service, by contrast, said the trademarks for such park names as “The Ahwahnee” hotel were worth only $1.63 million.

    “DNCY’s parent company has apparently embarked on a business model whereby it collects trademarks to the names of iconic property owned by the United States,” Justice Department attorney John H. Robertson wrote.

    The parent company, Buffalo, N.Y.-based Delaware North, also has a concession at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and “has a trademark application for the name ‘Space Shuttle Atlantis,’ ” Robertson pointedly noted.

    The company declined to comment Tuesday.

    How are these bastards any different from the Oregon sociopaths, or the ffarmacy dudebrodouche?

  30. 30.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    January 6, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    @Germy: he’s probably the most popular president amongst Republicans in this country.”

    Considering even Jeb must know that Reagan’s shroud could beat his brother in a primary, he must be referring to living Republican ex-presidents, which makes this kind of a shitty thing to say about his own father. And I wouldn’t be surprised if, especially now that Trump and Cruz has base riled up, if Dumbya polled less than 50% approval.

  31. 31.

    Germy

    January 6, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    which makes this kind of a shitty thing to say about his own father.

    So Jeb is inept even at praising his own family.

  32. 32.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 6, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    @feebog: Is there cash in the bank?

  33. 33.

    Mary G

    January 6, 2016 at 5:21 pm

    Most popular president among Republicans in the country, Jeb? Only if you limit it to people who were president in this century. I think Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan would still outclass the Shrub by quite a bit. Heck, Bill Clinton is probably competitive.

  34. 34.

    bemused

    January 6, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    @Tommy:

    A better person in regards to racism, sexism and so on? That gets a lot of media attention but their tax plans haven’t which were recently scored by Tax Policy.
    Trump plan would reduce revenues in 10 years by $9.5 Trillion, Bush plan by $6.8 Trillion in 10 years.
    Trump plan would reduce super rich tax rate by 12.5%, Bush plan by 7.6%.

  35. 35.

    Eric U.

    January 6, 2016 at 5:27 pm

    the JEB! thing is funny because he’s so low energy. For a while, I was refusing to call him JEB, preferring John Ellis Bush. However, I gave up on that once it became obvious he wasn’t going anywhere. Now I prefer ¿Jeb ?

  36. 36.

    lol chikinburd

    January 6, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    without elaborating: fuck cancer. FUCK CANCER. that is all.

  37. 37.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    January 6, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    @lol chikinburd: Not knowing whether to offer sympathy or encouragement, I’ll just keep you in my thoughts. (And yeah, fuck cancer.)

  38. 38.

    Roger Moore

    January 6, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @Mike J:

    Thank god there’s no emoji for that yet.

    There is for what comes out of the colon, so that’s the logical option.

  39. 39.

    trollhattan

    January 6, 2016 at 5:48 pm

    @lol chikinburd: @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:
    Amen.

  40. 40.

    MattF

    January 6, 2016 at 5:55 pm

    I’ve always assumed that Karl Rove’s repeated accusations that Democrats do all the things that Republicans actually do was either projection or deliberate trolling. But now I’m not so sure– maybe he learned that habit from his Masters.

  41. 41.

    Ajabu

    January 6, 2016 at 6:06 pm

    @lol chikinburd:
    Seconded a million times over. FUCK CANCER!

  42. 42.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 6, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    Whenever I read about Jeb!’s troubles, I smile and smile and smile until my face hurts. Beautiful. Wishing similar humiliation on every Republican candidate.

  43. 43.

    boatboy_srq

    January 6, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    @Eric U.: ¿jeb?, perhaps?

  44. 44.

    jl

    January 6, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    @trollhattan: Hey, our wonderful (historically ridiculously and outlandishly extreme) US IP law and economic regulatory regime increases our welfare.

    I can’t imagine DNC will win much of anything.

    Trademarking The Ahwahnee, Wawona, and Yosemite National Park takes gigantic brass balls. Real people, starting with Lincoln a great US president, put a lot more work into creating those things. DNC, none, in fact, from what I saw, the opposite.

    Actually, my experience with that concessionaire was miserable. I am glad they are gone. I complained about negligent and unsafe maintenance after a winter camping trip there, back before the drought started. My kin who went up there back in the day, some of them worked for Curry, tell me Curry Co. were a bunch of cheap a-holes, but at least they kept a relatively nice place.

    Edit: if the Curry Company is around, maybe they could sue for defamation for DNC trying to legally steal their name.

  45. 45.

    NotMax

    January 6, 2016 at 7:16 pm

    @Roger Moore

    There is for what comes out of the colon

    There’s an emoji for Santorum?

    ;)

  46. 46.

    J R in WV

    January 6, 2016 at 7:20 pm

    @lol chikinburd:

    Yes! My Dad, I’ll say no more.

    Best wishes from here, and good luck.

  47. 47.

    Goblue72

    January 6, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @lol chikinburd: Fuck it like a bottom bitch in San Quentin.

  48. 48.

    Brachiator

    January 6, 2016 at 7:40 pm

    The first primaries can’t get here soon enough. I’m more interested in seeing how GOP voters actually throw down than I am in the sad little misadventures of Jeb. But if he is soundly trounced, will he give it up finally?

  49. 49.

    Anoniminous

    January 6, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @feebog:

    JEB! has no reason to exit before Super Tuesday.

  50. 50.

    feebog

    January 6, 2016 at 8:05 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Is there cash in the bank?

    Oh there is plenty of cash, but most of it is in his Super Pacs, not in his campaign fund. He will have no trouble running more ads, but the lack of campaign cash has already led him to cut back staff and reduce salaries. There was a story last week wherein he was dispatching HQ staff to the field in Iowa and New Hampshire. You don’t do that unless tank is running near empty.

  51. 51.

    Anoniminous

    January 6, 2016 at 8:07 pm

    @feebog:

    Or he can’t find anyone local to staff the needed positions. If that’s true, and I have no idea one way or the other, it’s even funnier than him running low on cash.

  52. 52.

    jl

    January 6, 2016 at 8:25 pm

    @Anoniminous: I read in one of those analysis pieces in the news a few weeks ago that some of the GOPer’s have organization full of lots of holes on the ground, if not on paper. Rubio because he is running a Rudy G II campaign, Jeb because of lack of interest, Trump because the volunteers, both those who give and take contact info are unreliable. Others like Huck because they are really running a publicity campaign. Carson because it is mystery to everyone, even some working for it.

    Edit: though I also remember reading that Jeb has (or had) a very large headquarters staff in FL, many of whom were upset when informed that they would be relocated out into the boondocks to do things.

  53. 53.

    Anne Laurie

    January 6, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    @Felonius Monk:

    And to add to Jeb?’s ineptness, he bigfoots mistermix. How dare he?

    For the record, I finished this post just as TomL published his, so I ‘scheduled’ it on the FYWP dashboard to pop up later (and then left my computer). Either MisterMix didn’t notice it was listed right up at the top before he hit ‘publish’ on his post — or he didn’t care how soon I’d be crowding him down on the front page.

  54. 54.

    Anne Laurie

    January 6, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @feebog:

    If Jeb! finishes 5th or lower in New Hampshire, will he even make it to South Carolina and Nevada?

    I personally suspect only the fear of his mother’s reaction is keeping Jeb in the race until New Hampshire. Then again, never underestimate the entitled cluelessness of a Bush scion…

  55. 55.

    waysel

    January 6, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    @Mike J: *

  56. 56.

    EconWatcher

    January 7, 2016 at 6:16 am

    @Goblue72:

    I mean no disrespect, but I think prison rape is an ongoing tragedy and a human rights violation of massive proportions in this country. I think when we refer to it in a joking way, we make it less likely that fellow citizens will treat it seriously and support doing something about it, especially since solutions require taxpayer money for convicted felons–always a very tough sell.

    And I can’t imagine the pain of people who’ve actually suffered prison rape–obviously, one of the worst tortures a human could endure–and then hear people joke about it, while they live with their private anguish and humiliation. That tells them that no one gives a damn, and their almost unimaginable suffering is a joke to others.

    Respectfully, I hope you might consider these points before using references like that.

  57. 57.

    Paul in KY

    January 7, 2016 at 9:31 am

    @Peale: I bet that’s it!

  58. 58.

    Paul in KY

    January 7, 2016 at 9:32 am

    @Roger Moore: Jesus! They’d be even worse if she’d had them the whole time!

  59. 59.

    Paul in KY

    January 7, 2016 at 9:35 am

    @trollhattan: Not a lot of difference. However, what they are doing (buying up these names & assigning a price THEY think they are worth) is probably not illegal. Just standard asshole business stuff Mr. Smith warned us about 300 years ago.

  60. 60.

    Paul in KY

    January 7, 2016 at 9:36 am

    @Germy: Funny too, as his father was ever so much more successful in his presidency than his POS son.

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