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Stentorian Baboons

by Betty Cracker|  January 15, 20163:29 pm| 140 Comments

This post is in: Open Threads, Politics, Republican Stupidity, General Stupidity

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The GOP establishment’s puzzlement over the Trump phenomenon seems centered mostly on the absurdity of the tangerine-hued blow-hard muscling in on their hustle rather than serious disagreement with Trumpism. Considering the utter dearth of policy proposals on offer from Trump, it’s astonishing how little his opponents have said about the poverty of his vision. Jeb meeps incredulously about it occasionally, but then Trump gives him an atomic wedgie and he clams up again.

It makes more sense if you think of it in terms of a primate linear dominance display. Here’s the definition as applied to olive baboons, according to the University of Wisconsin:

primate

Have you ever read “Skinny Legs and All” by Tom Robbins? It’s a whimsical look at the illusions and self-deceptions that keep people from figuring the important shit about life out. Robbins identifies politics as one of the roadblocks because he says it’s futile to cede control of anything important to “stentorian baboons.” He’s at least half right.

Anyway, here’s a link to the transcript of last night’s debate. I defy you to find anything coherent uttered by Trump. But it doesn’t matter what he says: He is the most adept at chest-beating and fang displays. It’s really as simple as that.

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  1. 1.

    goblue72

    January 15, 2016 at 3:31 pm

    Cool cartoon. You draw that?

  2. 2.

    Betty Cracker

    January 15, 2016 at 3:32 pm

    @goblue72: Yes. Thank you.

  3. 3.

    Matt

    January 15, 2016 at 3:33 pm

    Considering the utter dearth of policy proposals on offer from Trump, it’s astonishing how little his opponents have said about the poverty of his vision.

    It’s hard for them to manage that – the GOP hasn’t had any vision apart from “MOAR WAR MOAR JEEBUS LESS GUBMINT LESS TAXES” for nigh-on thirty years.

  4. 4.

    DanF

    January 15, 2016 at 3:34 pm

    Yup. My wife asked me this morning who I thought won the debate. I replied that Trump was the clear alpha male, so he won.

  5. 5.

    Oatler.

    January 15, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    Thanks for using “stentorian” in this era. It used to be a common word in journalism.

  6. 6.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    January 15, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    @goblue72: cartoon would be funny if there was another candidate,say,Cruz or even Christie, grooming Trump’s hair like baboons groom each other. Trump should also be eating a banana and Jeb down below should be in the process of slipping on a banana peel dropped by Trump.

  7. 7.

    Thoughtful Today

    January 15, 2016 at 3:37 pm

    RawStory:

    “Conservative commentator: GOP voters just want a dominant personality — facts don’t matter.”

  8. 8.

    goblue72

    January 15, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    @Mai.naem.mobile: Its says “Blah Blah Blah” but when I read it, I just see “Bark Bark Bark Bark Bark”

  9. 9.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    January 15, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I know it’s easy to overdo things. Glad to see you’ve left yourself room to draw him more agitated and crazier as the weeks pass.

  10. 10.

    Mai.naem.mobile

    January 15, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    @Matt: that’s actually ‘MOAR WAR FOR YOUR KIDS,MOAR JEEBUS FOR YOU,LESS GUBMINT FOR YOU,MOAR GUBMINT $$$ FOR ME, LESS TAXES FOR ME’

  11. 11.

    Amir Khalid

    January 15, 2016 at 3:45 pm

    It’s not really surprising that the Donald’s opponents have so little to say about the poverty of his vision. Their own vision is afflicted by an identical poverty. They are forced to compete with him where he is strong, namely chest-beating and baring of fangs. So they’re losing. Maybe, just maybe, that will change when the primaries start in earnest. But they have hardly any more to offer in policy terms than he.

  12. 12.

    redshirt

    January 15, 2016 at 3:47 pm

    We’re a “Post-Fact” Society now.

    We make our own facts. Truth is what you want it to be.

  13. 13.

    Enhanced Voting Techinques

    January 15, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    @srv:

    Donald Trump has proven himself in the trenches of the businessworld, which is more than any of these cucks or liberals have ever done.

    Anway, aren’t you a Jebs! fan boi? So what is Jeb! right now, a cluck or a liberal?

  14. 14.

    trollhattan

    January 15, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    @srv:
    Step away from the bong. Now dial the county mental health office and ask for a ride. Say, “please” and “thank you.”

    Thank you

  15. 15.

    robert thompson

    January 15, 2016 at 3:48 pm

    @goblue72:
    The lowest chicken eating egg sucking mongrel cur has more dignity than Trump. Dog Libel.

  16. 16.

    trollhattan

    January 15, 2016 at 3:50 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques:
    DougJ’s app gets more sophisticated with each election cycle. The rants don’t get more sophisticated, but the “personas” do.

  17. 17.

    bemused

    January 15, 2016 at 3:53 pm

    Just looking at Trump makes me laugh. It’s hard to take my eyes off those tiny, pouty lips. Maybe that looks tough and macho to some folks but he just reminds me of a toddler in a perpetual tantrum. I saw a clip of him from a side view and the pout, lower lip stuck out, is even more hilarious.

  18. 18.

    Anoniminous

    January 15, 2016 at 3:53 pm

    It’s the culture, stupid.

  19. 19.

    gogol's wife

    January 15, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques:

    No, you’re confusing him with RtR. This one’s always been for Trump.

    Yeah, Trump will do really well up against Putin.

  20. 20.

    Goblue72

    January 15, 2016 at 3:56 pm

    @srv: I agree. Donald Trump has proven himself very adept at failing in business, filing for bankruptcy, and stiffing his creditors and bond holders.

  21. 21.

    Goblue72

    January 15, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    @gogol’s wife: Trump will go moob to moob with Putin.

  22. 22.

    gogol's wife

    January 15, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    I keep trying to get James Wolcott’s formulation to spread: “an orange Elvis squeezed from a can of Cheez Whiz.”

  23. 23.

    catclub

    January 15, 2016 at 3:58 pm

    @Matt: Yep, nobody on that stage, or the panelists, will ask Trump:
    “So the military is a disaster? What do you plan to do to fix that, how much would it cost, and where would you get the money?”

    because they are all in saying in some many words, that the military is a disaster – and ending right there.

  24. 24.

    gogol's wife

    January 15, 2016 at 3:58 pm

    @Goblue72:

    brain bleach, please

  25. 25.

    catclub

    January 15, 2016 at 3:59 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I meant much the same thing as you wrote.

  26. 26.

    dedc79

    January 15, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    Little Red Riding Hood, NRA-style:

    One birthday not long ago, Red was given her very own rifle and lessons on how to use it–just in case–to be sure that she would always be safe. So, with a kiss from her mother, rifle over her shoulder and a basket for her Grandmother in her hands, Red took a deep breath and entered the woods.

  27. 27.

    jl

    January 15, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    ” the utter dearth of policy proposals ”

    For Baud’s sake, what part of Big Wall, Keep Muslims Out, and Make Great Deals, don’t you understand, BC?

    And anyway, Cruz wrapped it all up with his “We Win They Lose’ plan.

    What is the post about, anyway? You need to just listen.

  28. 28.

    trollhattan

    January 15, 2016 at 4:01 pm

    I’d venture a guess Nevada is one of the top three or so states for rooftop solar. And as such one would think the state would be doing everything possible to encourage widespread adoption of solar. One, however, would be ignoring the clout of the consumer-friendly folks at NV Energy, the corporation supplying most of the state with electricity (from a mix of powerplants including ginormous coal-fired ones).

    Their good intentions were foiled late last month when the Nevada Public Utility Commission changed the deal that customers with solar panels have with the state’s big utility, NV Energy. At the request of NV Energy, monthly fees paid by rooftop solar customers will increase from $13 to nearly $40 by 2020. And the utility will slash its reimbursement to customers for each unit of energy they feed to the grid, from about 11 cents to less than 3 cents by 2020, which could add up to hundreds of dollars per year for customers with solar panels.

    It was the biggest rollback of rooftop solar incentives in the nation. Most notably, Nevada is the first state not to grandfather in people like Matz who’ve already invested in rooftop solar. Although an estimated 17,000 people have installed panels, the revised rules, which will be phased in, will apply to to them as well as new rooftop solar customers.

    In fact, the new rules make rooftop solar such a bad deal in Nevada that big solar panel installation companies, including SolarCity, last week announced major layoffs affecting several hundred workers.

    One of the companies to pull out of Nevada and lay off hundreds was San Francisco-based Sunrun, the nation’s largest residential solar company. Bryan Miller, Sunrun’s senior vice president of public policy and power markets, is also the president of the Alliance for Solar Choice, a group of rooftop solar companies that has been fighting efforts by utilities to increase costs for solar customers.

    “We’ve never seen anything as extreme as what the Nevada Public Utility Commission decided,” Miller says. “It’s the first state to eliminate an active solar market.”

    A punchline not addressed in the article: Solar City is an Elon Musk company and Nevada pulled out all the stops luring his Tesla Gigawatt battery plant to the state. Now they’re cutting off his nose? I’ll get the popcorn.

  29. 29.

    Pogonip

    January 15, 2016 at 4:03 pm

    Game time! Finish this double bill: “The Stentorian Baboons will be opening tonight for our main act, the… ”

    My entry: “…the Egg Laying Workers!”

  30. 30.

    Fester Addams

    January 15, 2016 at 4:06 pm

    @gogol’s wife:

    No, you’re confusing him with RtR.

    I miss that guy. I still think about his hashtag-FreshLook period. I LLOL’ed (literally laughed out loud).

  31. 31.

    Lord Baldrick

    January 15, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    @dedc79: NRA2 Electric Boogaloo:

    Everybody run, the Homecoming Queen’s got a gun!
    Everybody run, the Homecoming Queen has got a gun!
    Debbie’s smiling, and waving her gun
    Picking off cheerleaders one by one
    Oh! Buffy’s pom poms just blew to bits
    Oh no, Misty’s head just did the splits!
    My best friend is on a shooting spree
    Stop it, Debbie, you’re embarrassing me!
    How could you do what you just did
    Are you having a really bad period?

    I would pay to see this remake.

  32. 32.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 15, 2016 at 4:07 pm

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques: You’re thinking of the guy with all the aliases beginning with R.

  33. 33.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 15, 2016 at 4:08 pm

    @Goblue72: Here’s an ad suggestion. Opening line: Donald Trump claims to be a good businessman. (Clip of Trump bragging) The truth is he started off rich (“small million dollar loan” clip), made money for himself, and ran his companies so badly that he presided over four bankruptcies (headlines). Don’t let him make the US his fifth.

  34. 34.

    bluehill

    January 15, 2016 at 4:09 pm

    His gun control comments weren’t original, but made me think that you could apply the same arguments to nuclear proliferation. Nukes don’t kill people, people kill people. Nuke-free zones invite attacks, etc.

  35. 35.

    goblue72

    January 15, 2016 at 4:12 pm

    @gogol’s wife: At least I didn’t mention the idea of Trump in a push-up bra.

  36. 36.

    jl

    January 15, 2016 at 4:13 pm

    Also, nice Trump art, I assume a BC original.

  37. 37.

    Betty Cracker

    January 15, 2016 at 4:15 pm

    @Lord Baldrick: Oh man, I haven’t thought about that song in a long time!

  38. 38.

    Brachiator

    January 15, 2016 at 4:18 pm

    Considering the utter dearth of policy proposals on offer from Trump, it’s astonishing how little his opponents have said about the poverty of his vision.

    I didn’t watch the debate, but will look over the transcript, but this is a good point.

    The main thing is that Trump is pushing the other contenders further to the right, especially with respect to immigration and the flirtation with outright bigotry, a bellicose foreign policy, and women’s reproductive rights. I have no idea whether Trump has said anything about gay marriage.

    But the main thing here seems to be to repeal Obamacare, build a wall to keep Muslims and Mexicans out, and then to (somehow) make America greater and greater.

    And when you get down to it, the other dopes have been vague as well. There ain’t much policy beyond “Obama bad! GOP great!”

  39. 39.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 15, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    Many sensible people have already figured out that Trump is a fascist. I assume that’s his biggest appeal to Republican voters. They want someone who will allow and encourage them to rough up the inferiors like they did back in the 50s (otherwise known as the good old days).

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/11/donald_trump_is_a_fascist_it_is_the_political_label_that_best_describes.html

  40. 40.

    Botsplainer

    January 15, 2016 at 4:22 pm

    @Mai.naem.mobile:

    cartoon would be funny if there was another candidate,say,Cruz or even Christie, grooming Trump’s hair like baboons groom each other. Trump should also be eating a banana and Jeb down below should be in the process of slipping on a banana peel dropped by Trump.

    Sounds way too much like the introduction to “soft-on”-inducing slash fiction of the Brokeback Bundy variety.

    I’d need a crate of blue pills and a crane to get it up if I ever saw such a thing.

  41. 41.

    Cacti

    January 15, 2016 at 4:28 pm

    @srv:

    Donald Trump has proven himself in the trenches of the businessworld, which is more than any of these cucks or liberals have ever done.

    Donald Trump managed to bankrupt a casino and a professional football league.

    What kind of alleged business maven can’t make a buck at selling gambling and football to Americans?

  42. 42.

    ruemara

    January 15, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    I can’t really mock too hard. This is a flaw that both sides have. The saving grace is that no matter who the candidate, the proposals are all fiscally sound and potentially doable with a great benefit to all. The only way trump could do that is if he jumped down a dragon’s throat and poisoned the poor beast.

  43. 43.

    Brachiator

    January 15, 2016 at 4:29 pm

    @srv:

    Donald Trump has proven himself in the trenches of the businessworld, which is more than any of these cucks or liberals have ever done.

    This is weak stuff, even for you, Chuckles.

    Let’s say that Trump is a Master of the Universe level businessman. Don’t mean squat when it comes to foreign policy chops or being commander-in-chief.

  44. 44.

    trollhattan

    January 15, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    @Brachiator:
    Considering our MBA president did such a bang-up job.

  45. 45.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 4:35 pm

    @Matt:

    LESS TAXES

    Fewer.

  46. 46.

    Anoniminous

    January 15, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    @Brachiator:

    They got nothing else. The ideas (what they mouthy-mouth) and policies (what they actually do) of the RayGuns Conservative Revolution have proven to be wrong-headedly disastrous for the US and the citizens of the US.

  47. 47.

    JPL

    January 15, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Ted Cruz failed to report a second loan… NYTimes

  48. 48.

    Iowa Old Lady

    January 15, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Bless you.

  49. 49.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    :-)

  50. 50.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 15, 2016 at 4:41 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Lower, actually.

  51. 51.

    Ohio Mom

    January 15, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    @Goblue72: I’d love to see commercials where the little guys who got stiffed as a result of his various bankruptcies get interviewed: “Yeah, we had a small sign business and when we got the job to manufacture and install the interior signs at Trump’s casino — you know, restroom signs, the signs saying rooms 200-236 this way, 237-240 that way — we thought we had it made. It’s a big place and it was a big job for us.

    Then he declares bankruptcy and we never got paid. It led to us going out of business. All the subs got hurt. Didn’t really hurt Trump though, did it?”

    Because I’m guessing a lot of small guys were left holding the bag.

  52. 52.

    Mnemosyne

    January 15, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    @dedc79:

    Given that most authorities agree that Little Red Riding Hood is a warning tale about climbing into bed with a “wolf” and losing your virginity, I think the NRA version is a little too on the phallus … er, nose.

  53. 53.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 15, 2016 at 4:44 pm

    @JPL: Oh, come on. Who among us doesn’t occasionally overlook a couple of half-million dollar loans?

  54. 54.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    January 15, 2016 at 4:48 pm

    Did anyone watch MJ this morning? Apparently Trump had been up all night and didn’t have a chance to get his hair did cause when MJ filmed him from the side when he was being interviewed the massive bald spot on the side of his head where he obviously begins the combover was clearly visible. It made me giggle like a school girl.

  55. 55.

    Mike J

    January 15, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    @JPL: Cabell Hobbs, who worked in the WH political office under Bush, is Cruz’s campaign treasurer now (and since at least 2013). Was he treasurer at the time? The treasurer is responsible for FEC filings. I haven’t seen any indication that the Times, or anyone for that matter, has tried to get a comment from him.

  56. 56.

    Patricia Kayden

    January 15, 2016 at 4:51 pm

    @Brachiator: According to GLAAD, Trump is against marriage equality.

    http://www.glaad.org/trump

  57. 57.

    bystander

    January 15, 2016 at 4:56 pm

    @JPL: These job killing regulations!

  58. 58.

    lgerard

    January 15, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    I think that the key to drawing Trump is to get the lighter colored circles around his eyes that make him look like a raccoon in reverse.

    Sadly, I can’t laugh at his hair because I essentially have the same style.

  59. 59.

    Yellowdog

    January 15, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:Will you marry me? We could spend our declining days yelling at “10 items or less” signs. Sometimes I think people have forgotten that the word fewer exists.

  60. 60.

    WereBear

    January 15, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    Still rooting for Trump becoming the nominee. We aren’t any worse off than any of the others, but he’s defenseless in debate. Either Democratic front runner would mop the floor with him.

    And with that hair…

  61. 61.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 15, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Ah, that won’t work; they tried that against Senator Fiorina here in CA… Oh wait…

  62. 62.

    Gin & Tonic

    January 15, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    @Yellowdog: Props to the Stop & Shop supermarket chain, which correctly uses “fewer” in the express lanes.

  63. 63.

    Mike J

    January 15, 2016 at 5:12 pm

    @WereBear:

    he’s defenseless in debate. Either Democratic front runner would mop the floor with him.

    It depends on how you score the debate. Answering questions, presenting supporting arguments? Of course Trump can’t do that. Yelling, looking tough, as tough as he’ll make America!!!? He can do that.

  64. 64.

    Gimlet

    January 15, 2016 at 5:17 pm

    Has Obama appointed an “Emergency Governor” yet to manage affairs in Flint and the rest of Michigan?

  65. 65.

    KithKanan

    January 15, 2016 at 5:18 pm

    @bluehill:

    Nuke-free zones invite attacks, etc.

    I’m pretty sure at least a few countries drew that conclusion after looking at the divergent experiences of the countries mentioned in Bush’s “Axis of Evil” speech.

  66. 66.

    Mike J

    January 15, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    KTVZ NewsChannel 21 ‏@KTVZ 10m10 minutes ago
    BREAKING: OSP arrests Crescent resident Kenneth Medenbach, 62, on charges in theft of two govt. vehicles from Malheur refuge. Details coming

    Also:
    John Sepulvado ‏@JohnLGC 39m39 minutes ago
    Wondering why power hasn’t been cut? Or the @FBI hasn’t gone in? Here’s @amandapeacher & my story for @OPB & @wweek

    his story

  67. 67.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    January 15, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    Looks like one of the loons up in OR got arrested at the Burns Safeway for driving one of the refuge’s vehicles into town by the OR state police.

    ETA: Damn you Mike J, beat me by that much?

  68. 68.

    Gimlet

    January 15, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    @Mike J:

    Wondering why power hasn’t been cut? Or the @FBI hasn’t gone in?

    You obviously don’t play much eleventy-dimensional chess.

  69. 69.

    Roger Moore

    January 15, 2016 at 5:24 pm

    @dedc79:
    We’ve spent some time mocking them on Twitter under #NRAFairyTales. Things like the witch shooting Hansel and Gretel for vandalizing her house, then being acquitted based on the castle doctrine, or the wise woman who was left out of Sleeping Beauty’s christening feast shooting the place up instead of cursing her. Though as somebody else pointed out, the biggest NRA Fairy Tale is the Big Bad Obama who’s coming for your guns.

  70. 70.

    Brachiator

    January 15, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    @Anoniminous:

    They got nothing else

    Trump, maybe even Cruz may not need much else to at least get the nomination. They are riding the crest of the wave of the anger of a good chunk of the Republican base. Of course, the GOP mainstream is largely responsible for stoking the fires of this anger in the first place, but then they were so stupid that they sent a mealy-mouthed mild mannered dope like Jeb! to gather in the sheep. The job was way too much for him.

  71. 71.

    Soylent Green

    January 15, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    Linky.
    Protester arrested in Burns, driving stolen refuge vehicle

  72. 72.

    Schlemazel

    January 15, 2016 at 5:30 pm

    Anyway, here’s a link to the transcript of last night’s debate. I defy you to find anything coherent uttered by Trump.

    Anyway, here is a brick wrapped in a used diaper, I defy you to hit yourself repeatedly in the head with it and remain coherent.

    Ah, that would be “NO THANKS!”

  73. 73.

    Ripley

    January 15, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    @trollhattan: Having recently become a Nevada resident, I’ve been following this; thanks for the info. This state, despite a notable lack of water, is positively shark infested. The human variety, anyway.

  74. 74.

    dedc79

    January 15, 2016 at 5:33 pm

    @Roger Moore: Obama is most definitely the NRA’s fairy tale villain.

  75. 75.

    Soylent Green

    January 15, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    There’s a petition up on the White House’s “We the People” petition board, with many more signatures needed.
    Arrest Ammon Bundy and the armed occupiers of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge

    It’s currently running well behind “Commute the sentences of the Hammonds.”

  76. 76.

    Bill Arnold

    January 15, 2016 at 5:40 pm

    @bluehill:

    Nukes don’t kill people, people kill people.

    I know you’re talking about government-owned nukes, but I do wonder whether the NRA would approve of citizens owning personal Casaba-Howitzers.
    Eat hot nuclear plasma at 100 kilometers per second, scum!
    (It’s a one-shot device and not to be used nearby, if it actually does exist. The launcher might loosely be called a howitzer I suppose.)

  77. 77.

    Schlemazel

    January 15, 2016 at 5:44 pm

    I saw a video of some kids all dressed in red white and blue singing for the Dumpster at one of his rallies. I am sure the song sounded better in the original German (Man do I miss Molly!)
    All I hear however was:
    Oh Fatherland, Fatherland,
    Show us the sign
    Your children have waited to see.
    The morning will come
    When the world is mine.
    Tomorrow belongs to me!

  78. 78.

    Brachiator

    January 15, 2016 at 5:45 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    According to GLAAD, Trump is against marriage equality.

    What a dope. And it’s weird that he doesn’t even bother to try to offer any reason for his views. He doesn’t even bother playing to religious conservatives. It just comes down to what he wants and is comfortable with.

    “I just don’t feel good about it. I don’t feel right about it. I’m against it… I’m opposed to gay marriage.”

  79. 79.

    piratedan7

    January 15, 2016 at 5:47 pm

    @trollhattan: @29 and you can bet your ass that Nevada is selling the energy that they “get back” from solar to California at a tidy profit…. in this game, the consumer always loses.

  80. 80.

    redshirt

    January 15, 2016 at 5:51 pm

    The whole Benghazi thing fascinates/revolts me. Read this account of attending the premier.

    That the same exact person (typical Wingnut( doesn’t give a damn that Bush lied us into an utterly disastrous war in Iraq is SO FUCKING UPSET about Benghazi is just the height of cognitive dissonance.

  81. 81.

    geg6

    January 15, 2016 at 5:53 pm

    Since this is an OT, I just want to say I’m done with this week. First Bowie, then Rickman and now I find out an old friend and one of the best guys I know just died from cancer. I got that news while already teary-eyed in a memorial service for our former campus chancellor who died last month from ALS.

  82. 82.

    Roger Moore

    January 15, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    @Schlemazel:

    All I hear however was:
    Oh Fatherland, Fatherland,
    Show us the sign
    Your children have waited to see.

    Not:

    Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
    Über alles in der Welt,

    I keep expecting to hear that kind of thing from Trump rallies.

  83. 83.

    trollhattan

    January 15, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @Roger Moore:
    Spiffy matching brown uniforms shall be optional prior to super Tuesday, mandatory after.

  84. 84.

    Mary G

    January 15, 2016 at 6:03 pm

    @geg6: I’ve been superstitiously waiting for the third shoe to drop; sorry it was your friend.

  85. 85.

    jl

    January 15, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    I wonder if a simpler definition of ‘linear dominance hierarchy’ is ‘kiss up, kick down’. This connects two important domains where the concept rules: from gangs of non-human primates to sociopathic corporations.

    Since the GOP has become an arm of sociopathic crony capitalist corporate governance, they might understand the latter term more easily.

  86. 86.

    Gimlet

    January 15, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    House Republicans rented a movie theater to watch Hollywood’s new film about the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya, on Thursday, before the movie opened nationwide.

    Rep. Mark Walker (R-N.C.) coordinated the special showing of “13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi” for lawmakers attending a GOP retreat in Baltimore. Roughly 65 House Republicans attended, his office told The Hill.

    To catch it, some lawmakers had to skip out on Thursday evening’s Republican presidential debate.

  87. 87.

    Roger Moore

    January 15, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    @Brachiator:

    What a dope. And it’s weird that he doesn’t even bother to try to offer any reason for his views. He doesn’t even bother playing to religious conservatives. It just comes down to what he wants and is comfortable with.

    In fairness, I think that’s a lot closer to most people’s objections to gay marriage than anything about Leviticus. The real objection to marriage equality- and to LGBTQ people in general- is that they’re weird and icky and different from what we’re used to. Quotes from the Bible are used to justify those beliefs, but they aren’t the source of them.

  88. 88.

    MomSense

    January 15, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    I’m sorry to go off topic but I turned kn the tv to find Harry Potter Order of the Phoenix just as Alan Rickman makes his entrance as Snape to teach Harry how to defend himself against occlumency. He is so good. That voice. What a week it has been.

  89. 89.

    Mnemosyne

    January 15, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    @redshirt:

    What’s been pissing me off about that dumbass movie is that these supposed superheroes LOST TRACK OF THE GUY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SAVING. The ambassador ended up being abandoned by them and taken to a local hospital instead, where he died of smoke inhalation.

    We go from “Saving Private Ryan” to “What Ambassador?”

  90. 90.

    Mnemosyne

    January 15, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    @geg6:

    Fuck cancer.

  91. 91.

    dedc79

    January 15, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    Hope (but highly doubt) this gets some traction:

    As a recovering Republican who retired in 2011 after serving on the House and Senate Budget Committees, I have concluded that this ritual denunciation of deficits and out-of-control spending is a fraud. Not only does the party not care about the deficit, but its practice since 1981 has been to worsen it.

    We should pay particularly close attention to the Republican budget proposals from the presidential candidates in 2016. If a Republican is elected president, the party will almost surely have maintained control of Congress and, therefore, control the federal budget.

    Since Mr. Rubio offers a detailed plan on taxes and spending — and since he is widely considered an “establishment” candidate — voters might carefully consider what his budget blueprint offers. Here’s the short version: It draws on fantasy math that would wreck America’s fiscal house.

  92. 92.

    Mike J

    January 15, 2016 at 6:13 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    We go from “Saving Private Ryan” to “What Ambassador?”

    Prolly cause Hillary ordered them to “lose” him

    At least she didn’t send a DMCA takedown to wikipedia.

  93. 93.

    Anoniminous

    January 15, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    A little theme music for the thread.

    @Brachiator:

    Agree.

    I thought we’d be looking at theo-fascism a la Franco instead of the straight Conservative/Nationalist fascism of Mussolini. Fortunately (so far) Trump doesn’t seem to have the cojones to go full bore black shirt. I’m really not sure why. There’s enough “there” there at his rallies to organize a para-military group.

  94. 94.

    George Hayduke

    January 15, 2016 at 6:14 pm

    @srv: @srv:

    If Trump had put his inheritance in a savings account, he would have more net worth than he currently does, and would not have had to suffer his multiple business failures and subsequent bankruptcies…moron.

  95. 95.

    redshirt

    January 15, 2016 at 6:17 pm

    @Anoniminous: The election season is young! Plenty of time to organize some color themed supporters.

  96. 96.

    gex

    January 15, 2016 at 6:18 pm

    @geg6: Oh no. Hugs.

    Cancer can eat a bag of Trump hair, as far as I’m concerned.

  97. 97.

    trollhattan

    January 15, 2016 at 6:31 pm

    @dedc79:
    “recovering Republican.” Heh.

  98. 98.

    debbie

    January 15, 2016 at 6:32 pm

    I defy you to find anything coherent uttered by Trump.

    I thought what he said to Cruz about NYC was plenty coherent. Now, whether he actually meant it…

  99. 99.

    debbie

    January 15, 2016 at 6:37 pm

    @JPL:

    Good news! Let’s see how he smarms his way out of that.

  100. 100.

    MomSense

    January 15, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @geg6:

    Damn. Fuck fucking cancer. Really sorry. I’ve lost several good friends my age in the last three years to cancer and it’s just awful.

  101. 101.

    jake the antisoshul soshulist

    January 15, 2016 at 6:50 pm

    @Matt:

    That is their policy for every issue. More God, more guns, less government, less taxes.

  102. 102.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    January 15, 2016 at 6:54 pm

    @Anoniminous: So, you’re saying that we need to feed Republicans food laced with tuberculosis?

    I could get behind that proposal.

  103. 103.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    @Yellowdog:

    No one has ever before proposed marriage based on my knowing the difference between “less” and “fewer.” I’m ridiculously flattered.

  104. 104.

    Roger Moore

    January 15, 2016 at 6:59 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:

    So, you’re saying that we need to feed Republicans food laced with tuberculosis?

    Sporulating Clostridium botulinum would be a much better choice.

  105. 105.

    Satby

    January 15, 2016 at 7:00 pm

    @geg6: Condolences geg6, that’s hard.

  106. 106.

    lol chikinburd

    January 15, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    @geg6: This month, man. Damn, I’m sorry. The moonshot ought to be nuclear-tipped. Fucking fucking FUCK cancer.

  107. 107.

    David *Rafael* Koch

    January 15, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    @Mike J: check out this gif of the seahawks motorcade: 4 buses + 6 motorcycle cops clearing all traffic

  108. 108.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 7:12 pm

    @lol chikinburd:

    “This month,” indeed. Not sure whether anyone saw (I kind of buried it in an off-topic in some thread downstairs), but fans of the old TV show Grizzly Adams will be sad to learn that Dan Haggerty died earlier today at age 74.

    Cancer.

    Cancer can go drink all the water in Flint and take a swim in the Flint River and then ask Rick Snyder for help. Fuck cancer.

  109. 109.

    David *Rafael* Koch

    January 15, 2016 at 7:13 pm

    @geg6: sorry to hear that, man. it so sad losing someone early.

  110. 110.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 7:15 pm

    @geg6:

    I’m so sorry. It just sucks.

  111. 111.

    Mike J

    January 15, 2016 at 7:18 pm

    @David *Rafael* Koch: Thanks for that. I was actually off looking for footage of them getting on the buses to see if Marshawn got on. Still listed as a “probable”, so I guess he did.

  112. 112.

    debbie

    January 15, 2016 at 7:25 pm

    @geg6:

    Jeez, I hate cancer. I know so, so many people who have fought it (or tried to). I wish the world would direct all the frenzied tribal hatred energy at finding a cure.

  113. 113.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 7:27 pm

    Ah, SHIT, y’all.

    Bob Denver dead.

    Cancer, of course.

    RIP, Gilligan.

    Fuck fuck fuck.

  114. 114.

    J R in WV

    January 15, 2016 at 7:30 pm

    @srv:

    Typical stupid know-nothing remark from you, again.

    Trump has proven himself in the trenches of the businessworld

    Was this before or after the first bankruptcy?
    Was this before or after the second bankruptcy?
    Was this before or after the third bankruptcy?
    Was this before or after the fourth bankruptcy?

    What a proven businessman! Totally invested in cash-inos and hotels – with the demand plummeting everywhere. Best of luck to him! Well, not really. I’ve been into a cash-ino twice, and hated it both times. And I hate Trump’s politics, whatever they are. So screw him!

  115. 115.

    redshirt

    January 15, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    I had cancer and survived! Many do.

    Cancer is part of life like death is part of life.

  116. 116.

    Brachiator

    January 15, 2016 at 7:31 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    The real objection to marriage equality- and to LGBTQ people in general- is that they’re weird and icky and different from what we’re used to. Quotes from the Bible are used to justify those beliefs, but they aren’t the source of them.

    I disagree in part. I think that some people may indeed have sincere religious objections to gay marriage. And some people I’ve talked to seem to have this notion that somehow accepting gay marriage would be a major act of disobedience to their Deity even though this fear is crazy inconsistent, compared to, say, condoning adultery.

    But I kinda don’t care. I think all objections to gay marriage are stupid.

  117. 117.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Never mind. It seems he died 11 years ago. My bad for not independently confirming the report I saw (although fuck the trolls who make us do that). Anyway, yeah, he’s dead, but it didn’t happen this week. Apologies to all.

  118. 118.

    Mike J

    January 15, 2016 at 7:32 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yes, Bob Denver died in 2005.

  119. 119.

    Brachiator

    January 15, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Bob Denver dead.

    I’ve been watching an old TV show, The Adventures of Dobie Gillis.

    Before Gilligan, there was Maynard G Krebs.

    An underrated comedian.

    Safe travels, Little Buddy.

    ETA: RE: Yes, Bob Denver died in 2005.
    What, old obits resurfacing? All right, a moment of rembrance.

  120. 120.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 7:39 pm

    @Mike J:

    I posted a correction at #118.

  121. 121.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 15, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I remember Maynard G. Krebs from the original airings of The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis. For a TV sitcoms in the late 1950s-early ’60s, it was quite astonishingly surrealistic.

  122. 122.

    David *Rafael* Koch

    January 15, 2016 at 7:42 pm

    @Mike J: no news is good news. Plus he told Kenny Mayne earlier in the day that he’s ready to go

  123. 123.

    Jay C

    January 15, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Seems to be an instant artifact of the Internet Age: obits of noted celebrities often get posted (usually with sincere condolences) long after said celeb has departed. I read just last week about the demise of Harry Morgan (M*A*S*H) – even though he died in 2011.

  124. 124.

    redshirt

    January 15, 2016 at 7:51 pm

    People die every day, in fact.

  125. 125.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 15, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: We’re talking wingnut here. “LESS TAXES” is perfectly cromulent in wingnut.

  126. 126.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 15, 2016 at 7:58 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Bob Denver died 11 years ago. Dick Cheney still “lives”.

    There is no motherfucking justice in this universe.

  127. 127.

    The Golux

    January 15, 2016 at 7:59 pm

    @Brachiator:

    I have no idea whether Trump has said anything about gay marriage.

    I can easily imagine Trump saying, “I’m not in favor of two queers getting married – that’s just sick. Two lesbos, though – that’s kinda hot.’

  128. 128.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 15, 2016 at 8:00 pm

    @geg6: DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!

    Condolences to you, and to the family.

    Fuck cancer. Fuck it.

  129. 129.

    Mike J

    January 15, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    @David *Rafael* Koch: King5 says they saw him get on the plane.

  130. 130.

    Mnemosyne

    January 15, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    @redshirt:

    Strangely, that was not much consolation to my brother’s four kids, three of whom are under the age of 18. But, hey, 9-year-old child whose father just died, people die all the time, so what are you crying about?

  131. 131.

    redshirt

    January 15, 2016 at 8:11 pm

    @Mnemosyne: Sad, but true. It’s one of life’s unfortunate consequences.

  132. 132.

    geg6

    January 15, 2016 at 8:19 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    FUCK! Jeebus!

    ETA: Those damn FB posts from months or years back!

  133. 133.

    graham

    January 15, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    @srv:

    ROTFLMAO – Stop, please. That is a good one.

    Wait, ur srs?

  134. 134.

    David *Rafael* Koch

    January 15, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    @Mike J: Just saw a news update on the half hour on the NFL channel and the ran video of him boarding the bus.

  135. 135.

    Central Planning

    January 15, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    @redshirt:

    I had cancer and survived! Many do.

    Me too!

  136. 136.

    Steeplejack

    January 15, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    Why wouldn’t he go to the game, even if he can’t play? It’s the playoffs, and he’s a member of the team. He may not be able to suit up, but does that mean he can’t ride the bus and travel with the rest of the team?

  137. 137.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 15, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @Anoniminous: I’ve been wondering when he actively hooks up with these Posse Comitatus types and starts sending them out to fuck some shit up. They may be too dimwitted to accomplish much nationwide, though.

  138. 138.

    Matt McIrvin

    January 15, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @Jay C: An obit of Annette Funicello is going around again as we speak, three years after she died. I think some news sites cough up links to these things on anniversaries, and people who either hadn’t heard or forgot the first time pass on the story without checking the year in the date.

  139. 139.

    Woodrowfan

    January 15, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    Geg6, I am so sorry.

  140. 140.

    Ramalama

    January 15, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Brachiator: I like reading the transcripts because Trump particularly has very good delivery. Or should I say ‘tremendous’ delivery. He’s doing stand up. But looking at the text, he repeats himself, and then certain words. Crafty.

    I made word clouds – link is hiding here on the last Republican debate, and then the Democratic debate. Kind of fun, but I don’t know that I’ll do it again with this latest transcript.

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