Fox News feed here.
Guardian liveblogging here.
I do believe Roy Edroso has the best “What to Expect… “
Tonight’s Trumpless Republican debate will be all about the remaining candidates trying to peel off Trump voters by showing America that, unlike him, they are true conservatives who believe in limited government, a permanent end to the Ex-Im Bank, and just kidding they will actually try to peel off Trump voters by being as offensive at they can without getting bleeped…
You flip the channel to the Donald Trump Veterans for Something or Other Who Gives a Shit, and find Trump on a glossy 60s-style stage set, his name behind him in big letters like at the end of the Elvis ’68 special…
It’s all in the details, which you’ll have to click over to read.
Trump says all money will go "directly" to vets. Not true. All the money goes directly to his personal foundation. https://t.co/RpNOru8L0A
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) January 28, 2016
What are the odds that Donald Trump was sent back from the future Terminator-style to destroy the GOP before it can take over the world?
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) January 29, 2016
I wonder if I can convince my coworkers to switch over to Jeopardy.
— Harry Enten (@ForecasterEnten) January 29, 2016
ETA: I second the snark of this professional:
I can't believe @realDonaldTrump passed up this substantive issue oriented policy discussion
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) January 29, 2016
There isn’t this much pandering at a whole network of Chinese breeding centers!
Trump says he has raised almost $6 million. His website says he has raised $430,000 pic.twitter.com/oSmtEpnoiO
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) January 29, 2016
3 amigos… Santorum and Huckabee join Trump onstage #GOPDebate pic.twitter.com/NmozxwGD3g
— Paul Owen (@PaulTOwen) January 29, 2016
As this answer shows, Jeb Bush is the kid that strikes out in tee ball
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) January 29, 2016
Dear goddess, Cruz will “replace” Obamacare by allowing insurance companies to sell policies across state lines, expanding ‘health saving accounts’, and ‘delinking health insurance from employment’. Zombie lies! If Richard Mayhew isn’t rolling on the floor bleeding from his eyes right now, I’m looking forward to seeing him evicerate these Cruz-ifications tomorrow…
And the Trump rally now seems to ending after less than an hour
— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) January 29, 2016
Major Major Major Major
I, for one, will be eating at Ivar’s Acres of Clams, but enjoy the debate to those watching!
chrome agnomen
this may not be the wingularity, but i think i caught a glimpse of the event horizon.
NotMax
There are surely many better produced videos of monkeys flinging poo.
Anne Laurie
No empty lectern for Trump, but the first question goes to Cruz, asking about Trump.
Cruz remains a pandering reptile — he shouldn’t try jokes, because he’s not in sufficient command of human idiom to bring them off.
Corner Stone
Trump is completely cleaning all these guy’s clocks.
Mike J
@Major Major Major Major: I like the salmon house better, but I eat at the fast food Ivars often, as they’re a two minute walk from my club’s dock.
Schlemazel
@NotMax:
youtube.com/watch?v=O4dClSLFukQ
Betty Cracker
God, I hate Rubio so much. I hope he gets crotch rot when the waves overtake Miami.
gf120581
So when do we put Roger Ailes on suicide watch?
Corner Stone
Potential GOP voters don’t give a shit if Trump skips out. He is using the proverbial sewer grate to raise up the skirt of the GOP. Yes, they are wearing pink polkadot thong panties.
gf120581
@Betty Cracker: The little weasel will have long split by that time. Responsibility is not his strong suit.
Punchy
So Trump is responding to the barbs, just on another cable station? Do I have that right? Like part of the debate, sponsored by Skype?
NotMax
@Betty Cracker
Gird thine loins.
Expect him to run for governor to attempt to follow your current loon.
Bill E Pilgrim
@Punchy: Probably he’ll just call into the debate and they’ll let him respond by phone. Joe Scarborough lets him respond that way all the time.
Betty Cracker
OMFG, it’s a smarm tsunami — run for your lives, comrades!
Even Baby Doc knows the “liberty vote” is going to Trump. His heart’s not in it. He’s just playing to cover his campaign debts.
Nate Dawg
Cruz: In order to win, we need the Paultards.
Loving this debate.
Nate Dawg
Does anyone else’s dog bark EVERY FUCKING TIME the Debate Bell goes off?
Hey stupid: it’s not the doorbell! We live in a condo building, and don’t even have a doorbell! Chill girl!
Schlemazel
@Nate Dawg:
Perfect! A Crudz/Ayn ticket is a sure winner in 2016
Betty Cracker
@Nate Dawg: My two mutts are snoozing away, untroubled by the debate bell.
Bill E Pilgrim
I’m sorry Senator Paul, you didn’t put that in the form of a question. Er, I mean, in the form of a rabid, belligerent, jingoistic Neocon rant. Disqualified.
raven
@Betty Cracker: Mine too but then Lil Bit is deaf as a doornail.
NotMax
@Nate Dawg
Pavlov weeps.
(And yes, am aware he never really utilized bells in his experiments.)
Bill E Pilgrim
“Landed a lot of planes in the OR”?
It’s nice to see the the moderators at FOX make even less sense than the candidates.
Nate Dawg
I wish we could upload videos here. She barks EVERY TIME, and then runs to the food bowl and eats a couple bites of her diet puff food. (She’s a big girl, and self-medicates with kibble.)
raven
@Nate Dawg: You can, film it and upload it to youtube and then embed that link. Here is Bohdi howling when he hears the audio of long lost Raven,
oops
wrong video
youtube.com/watch?v=H8-_3dpyZ3M
trollhattan
@Major Major Major Major:
Keep clam.
p.a.
No one attacking Hillary yet?
raven
@p.a.: Jimmy Carter now!
Nate Dawg
Well now that I have the cameraphone on, she has resorted to just whining at the bell. It’s still adorable.
Bill E Pilgrim
@p.a.: They still seem to be running against candidate Obama, just as I’ve noticed they have in every debate. It’s completely nuts.
Running against the whole Democratic platform, sure, and his legacy is part of it, but they sometimes even end up saying things like “We’ll show him the door come a year from now!” or whatever. I think they really don’t understand that he can’t run again.
Anne Laurie
@Corner Stone:
Excellent metaphor, but that should be subway — grate — much stronger blasts of hot air over a larger opening, especially as the trains pull in.
PhoenixRising
@Bill E Pilgrim: There’s an amendment for that, but it’s after the 2nd so Republicans don’t know it…
raven
Fat boy is on Hillary.
Adam L Silverman
I’ve just updated on my Occupation thread with a run down on the press conference and links to Special Agent in Charge Bretzing’s prepared remarks and the full, unedited video of the arrests and the shooting of LaVoy Finicum.
PhoenixRising
@raven: Jesus, man. Trigger warning.
Oh, that was figurative language.
Adam L Silverman
Cruz is garnering a lot of boos.
NotMax
@Anne Laurie
Yeah, regular sewers generally don’t have grates (for obvious olfactory reasons).
Storm sewers do.
The famous scene with Marilyn Monroe involved a subway grate.
p.a.
@raven: Still alive, so fair game I guess. Not that it would matter to these sub-geniuses.
p.a.
@NotMax: 7 Year Itch?
SiubhanDuinne
I’m streaming the debate on iPad and am about ten minutes behind real time.
So NO SPOILERS, okay?
Nate Dawg
Rubio has a hard-on for ISIS. What a joke.
raven
@SiubhanDuinne: Half the people want updates and you don’t want spoilers??? I’m going to bed but I’m not sure this has a solution.
Adam L Silverman
@Nate Dawg: I like how he starts with they want an apocalyptic battle and then finishes with explaining how he’s going to give it to them. That’s strategic ineptitude.
NotMax
@p.a.
Yuppers. One sheet.
Mike J
@SiubhanDuinne:
Ted Cruz just told Chris Christie that he is his father.
Schlemazel
@Nate Dawg:
Maybe that explains the dry mouth he is always famous for. Parched by the hot desert sands
Nate Dawg
Shorter Chris Christie: Cops won’t stop terrorists unless you let them kill black people.
p.a.
@Mike J: “Search your rectum. You know it to be true.”
PhoenixRising
@Adam L Silverman: My 16yo 10th grader caught that too: So what ISIS wants is an apocalyptic battle in Syria and his plan is…to give it to them. But that doesn’t make any sense.
NotMax
@raven – @SiubhanDuinne
Oh no, time paradox!
(Klaxon sounds insistently.) Run like the wind or we’re all gonna die!
:)
catclub
I guess by poll numbers Carson is still there, but that is one ghost train now.
Also, Jeb who?
Adam L Silverman
@PhoenixRising: I believe I addressed this here back at the end of November.
schrodinger's cat
I’d rather get a root canal than watch the debate. Why do you guys torture yourselves like this?
Nate Dawg
@schrodinger’s cat: It’s the only thing painful enough to distract me from a pressing need to *get* a root canal.
PhoenixRising
@Adam L Silverman: Yeah, my point wasn’t that you got in ahead of my 10th grader, who BTW is reading the captions…it was more that no one has explained to lil Marco that the strongest tactical response to ISIS is not in fact to deliver the battle their ideology requires to be legitimated.
He really is a Robin in search of his Batman.
SiubhanDuinne
@Mike J:
Ogod ogod, and Carly is his sisterwife I suppose.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodinger’s cat: I’m eating clams!
And yes, I’m checking in on the debate thread, so sue me
David *Rafael* Koch
¿Jeb? has a pretty funny attack ad mocking Lil’ Marco’s Lil’ boots.
Adam L Silverman
@PhoenixRising: I got it that your 10th grader is way ahead of the good senator. No worries on this end.
schrodinger's cat
@Major Major Major Major: I prefer mussels and I too am checking the debate thread without actually watching the debate.
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: Bosscat would make a better Purrsident than any of the scary clowns debating tonight.
oldgold
Kelly isn’t doing much to disprove T-rump’s assessment of her journalistic skills. She really is a light eight.
p.a.
Anyone posit an ISIS-Iran axis yet? With a North Korea kicker?
What if ISIS finds Saddam’s WMD!!?
lamh36
Finally completed that Federal Resume for the VA job I talked about the other day.
I’ve been using the same resume since like 2011, just tweaking with the next job. I literally just cut and pasted from various job decscription checklist I had.
This time I sat down and actually thought out and detailed my experience over the last 10 years and ya’ll, I’m really proud of it If I could, I’d share it with ya’ll… just know, that after finishing it, damned if I wouldn’t fuq’n hire me!
So I’m in a good mood and I came across this video, just in time for Mardi Gras!
Love this!
Jimmy Fallon, Sia, Natalie Portman & The Roots Sing “Iko Iko”
NotMax
@PhoenixRising
More like Frog-man in search of Spidey.
Nate Dawg
Can someone please shoot “across state lines” between the eyes.
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: I don’t understand the appeal of “I’m tougher than everyone else because I’m more scared of X, Y, and Z and will do something irrational about them” approach to establishing one’s leadership bona fides.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@p.a.: Anyone posit an ISIS-Iran axis yet?
Marco has done that at least once, in a senate hearing that left Kerry stammering with disbelief. Seems to me he did it a couple of weeks ago, too, but I can’t quite remember the details
NotMax
@schrodinger’s cat
Limberbutt McCubbins ’16!
JPL
@Nate Dawg: Most people don’t understand what that means. Of course there are no follow up questions.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: if you get me your email address, I’ll send you a copy of the one I have set up for government applications to get past OPM and CPAC screeners. You can then take a look and see if there’s something in the format you want to borrow.
p.a.
@Adam L Silverman: You have to know your
marksaudience.SarahT
@Betty Cracker: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Nate Dawg
Well he followed it up with: this will create a true 50-state marketplace. Uh, no. This will create a one-state marketplace–whichever state passes the least restrictive regulations will quickly see an influx of jobs in the insurance market, and anyone in the other 49 states will have nowhere to flee the horrible shitty policies they will be offered.
Frank Wilhoit
@Nate Dawg: It is quite true that police have been on an undeclared slowdown since at least the late-1960s riots, demanding unaccountability as the price of doing their jobs. Many-to-most local governments have caved to this extortion. This is why all present law enforcement have to be fired and replaced and the expectation of unaccountability explicitly and utterly ruled out from that point forward.
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: I don’t get it either. I like our current President’s style he doesn’t break a sweat no matter what, unlike the GOP clowns who just keep babbling incessantly about leadership and throwing around idle threats.
Betty Cracker
Rubio just told a bald-faced lie about his shifting position on cap-and-trade. The moderators know it because he disputed their (accurate) account of his shifting position. Now he’ll lie about his immigration stance.
Betty Cracker
Come in for the kill, Megyn!
amk
are they all still debating donald dreck?
Nate Dawg
OH man, this Rubio takedown is amazing.
What is Fox’s plan? Is Ailes falling back on Bush because the shit-storm got to fucking real?
NotMax
@Nate Dawg
You betcha. There’s a reason so many credit card companies suddenly created a South Dakota address, and it ain’t the weather.
Nate Dawg
@Frank Wilhoit: I would really like to read a comprehensive analysis of this topic.
Nate Dawg
@NotMax: Yeah, the Marquette decision opened the floodgates. It’s a race to the bottom! And Republicans want it to be globalized. We have to compete with China, dontchakno?
PhoenixRising
@Betty Cracker: Maybe he’s not Robin. Maybe he’s Eddie Haskell. He lies with such conviction. Such sincerity.
SiubhanDuinne
Well, so much for Flint. One perfunctory question (directed to Kasich), one lame answer which didn’t even last long enough to get the bell, no follow-up, and we’re off to the next topic.
Nate Dawg
I think the story behind this whole campaign is how Rubio and Bush hate each other and are sabotaging the Establishment’s chances of having a candidate to nominate.
it’s a prisoner’s dilemma and Trump and Cruz are taking full advantage.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodinger’s cat: oh, mussels were the appetizer.
amk
Cruz said. “But I will say this, if you guys ask one more mean question, I may have to leave the stage.”
temper tantrum throwing mofos all.
Nate Dawg
Cruz did well with the Immigration “gotcha” question.
schrodinger's cat
@Major Major Major Major: Little neck or cherry stone ?
ETA: I usually cook mussels with white wine and garlic.
Regnad Kcin
@Major Major Major Major: I miss Ivar’s! Last visit, 1967
Anne Laurie
Yeah, Meagan’s going after Cruz and Rubio with equal vigor — and a sharp stiletto.
By tomorrow morning, the tinfoil-hat talking point will be that Ailes & Trump secretly agreed to give The Blond Bomber a chance to attack the other two front-leaders without the distraction of Trump’s yoooooge fame-field.
trollhattan
@lamh36:
Sooo fun! I’m bouncing here.
Helen
Steve Schmidt talking up Trump on L ODonnell. He is auditioning for a job.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodinger’s cat: Penn Cove
Nate Dawg
OH I love Chris Wallace basically asking Ted Cruz if such a giant asshole as himself can be elected President.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Did I actually miss something?
SiubhanDuinne
L’il Marco: “Jesus Christ came down from heaven and died for your sins.”
Remind me again what office he’s running for?
Adam L Silverman
Benghazi! Everyone drink!
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne: altar boy.
mike in dc
An actual Bridgegate question for Christie. Knock me over with a feather.
schrodinger's cat
@SiubhanDuinne: The nuns in my school mentioned Jesus fewer times in a day than the GOP clowns do.
schrodinger's cat
@Major Major Major Major: West coast variety? Never heard of it.
Suzanne
I had a tire blow up on the freeway and I just got home, and I’m watching the debate now. Marco Rubio makes me want to hurl. I actually agreed with Jeb Bush for a second. Christie has been working on that line about “the Clintons in public housing” for a long time and REALLY wanted to use it.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodinger’s cat:
I believe you.
Nate Dawg
Jon Kasich is the best hope for the post-Teapocalypse party.
Suzanne
Is Kasich the least worst?
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: both Anne Laurie and John have my email address, they can forward stuff to my email
Tripod
Yahoo is flogging Jim Gilmore on their front page.
schrodinger's cat
If Jesus died for our sins does that mean we can sin as much as we like? I don’t get it what is that supposed to convey?
SiubhanDuinne
@Adam L Silverman:
Seems like a risky career path, but whevs.
JPL
@Suzanne: haha.. When Kasich is the best they got, we are so screwed.
lamh36
@trollhattan: that song is part of my childhood…I first learned that song as a child during second lines in my 9th ward neighborhood.
It’s always reminds me of Mardi Gras and the Mardi Gras Indian tradition.
debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
They’ve found lead in the water in Sebring, Ohio. Kasich might be hesitant to say anything.
schrodinger's cat
@SiubhanDuinne: Did you just see Spotlight? Awesome movie BTW.
amk
@schrodinger’s cat: Yes.
Major Major Major Major
clams clams clams clams
(to the tune of Spam)
@schrodinger’s cat: they’re interesting.
Betty Cracker
WTF, Baby Doc? Did that make any sense?
SiubhanDuinne
@Suzanne:
Jeez, hope you’re okay. How scary!
JPL
@Betty Cracker: I’m not sure what that means. I can watch the David Fry rants on youtube but I’m not healthy enough to watch the Fox debate. I’m not sure who is healthy enough to watch that garbage.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think it’s unanimous
ETA: I’m almost tempted to turn it on
Richard M. Nixon @ dick_nixon 31s31 seconds ago
When Rubio gets to the Shia and Sunni question his manner becomes like the kid brought downstairs to recite a poem at his parents’ party.
Nate Dawg
Kasich also saying he wouldn’t shred up the Iran agreement on day one.
he really is the only sane person on the stage.
trollhattan
@lamh36:
I can see how can be the source of many fond memories. I probably first heard it by Dr. John (no second lines in Seattle, darn it, lutefisk, Seafair pirates and the aforementioned Ivar :-)
Regnad Kcin
@Suzanne:
Stockholm Syndrome (speaking of Sverige)
SiubhanDuinne
@debbie:
Yeah, I wondered if that might be part of his hesitation. But still, shame on moderators for not pushing harder.
#ohwaititsfox #nevermind
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodinger’s cat:
No, I haven’t yet, but hope to in the next few days.
Ohio Mom
Kasich is a jerk. He would be the third GW term, at least domestically (I have no idea what he would be like as far foreign policy). But I know he’s not coming off that way in the debates.
My big fear is that he will come from behind and be a credible candidate.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Dixie Cups
Omnes Omnibus
@Ohio Mom: He is actually better than the other GOP candidate. Better in the same way that cholera is better than ebola.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@schrodinger’s cat: Jesus died for somebody’s sins but not mine.
@Ohio Mom: Kasich is a g*dawful asshole, and would indeed be W redux, with an extra dose of Jesus.
FlyingToaster
@Omnes Omnibus: This. When your good guy is Kasich, there really isn’t any hope left.
Ave Cæsar, morituri te salutant.
gf120581
@Ohio Mom: Forget it. He’s basically the Jon Hunstman of 2016, i.e. the sane guy with absolutely zero chance.
ThresherK (GPad)
@schrodinger’s cat: Weren’t you more afraid of the nuns’ wrath than of God’s? I know I was then.
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): My sins my own
They belong to me, me
Gary D
X-Files – Scully: “It’s fearmongering claptrap isolationist techno-paranoia so bogus and dangerous and stupid that it borders on treason.”
Ohio Mom
@Omnes Omnibus: perfectly put.
Ohio Mom
@gf120581: from your keyboard to FSM’s ears.
SRW1
Best statement in the ‘debate’, delivered by Ben C:
“Putin is a one-horse country, and he can’t even afford a shirt.”
schrodinger's cat
@ThresherK (GPad): True, especially our principal, Sister Lucia, who was an absolute terror. Some nuns were actually quite sweet.
ETA: Just the words, you will have to go to the Principal’s office were enough to strike terror in my heart.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
Nice! The tallest Dixie Cup is tres cute. Rolled over to Dr. John performing the song with the SNL band withJeff Healey sitting in on guitar and a brief, ripping duet with another guitarist. I could kill a couple hours just listening to different versions.
Suzanne
CARSON JUST FUCKED UP THE PREAMBLE.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mike J: Though I’ve not been in (cough) about 30 years ago, agree. I loved their Sunday brunch.
mike in dc
Carson closes by citing the Preamble to the Constitution. Must have been hard to resist the temptation to skip ahead to Article I, Section 8, Clause 17.
Anoniminous
I’ve been doing research on a paper so have not a clue what they are saying, but from the sounds of yelling and swearing from Herself downstairs the Goopers must be outdoing themselves in obnoxiousness and stupidity.
NotMax
Napped for an hour.
Apparently missed nada.
SRW1
Did Megyn K have an open-carry license for those eye lashes?
NotMax
Reminder for fans of celluloid train wrecks:
The Whip Hand begins on TCM at the bottom of the hour.
TaMara (BHF)
Well, judging by my Facebook feed, Rubio appears to be the go-to candidate for those rethugs too embarrassed to show any support for Trump (they don’t fool me, I know they are secretly rooting for the Rump-man).
SiubhanDuinne
@Suzanne:
Yup, he said “benefits,” not “blessings.”
NotMax
@DRW1
Technically, I believe those are referred to as loincloths for the eyes.
It’s as if she took Groucho’s eyebrows and moved them down several inches.
Mike J
Get your Rubio t-shirt. Or wait a week or two and see how much they discount them.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: The French Revolution thing they are currently showing isn’t exactly a TGV.
NotMax
@Suanne
That would have been sufficient to deny him the right to vote in the segregationist South.
(Reciting the preamble from memory was among the ‘literacy tests” used to deny non-whites access to the ballot.)
NotMax
@Omnes Omnibus
Tres miserable, oui.
trollhattan
In case Cristie is lost in the shuffle (not watching, myself) this is shamelessly lifted from LGM.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: I’ll push it to Anne Laurie and hopefully she’ll push it to you.
Adam L Silverman
@Suzanne: I thought he was going to have to stop and ask someone for help. I wonder if he’s had a micro stroke.
lgerard
All I can say is that those podiums made them look like they were on treadmills
as did their answers
seaboogie
@PhoenixRising:
So I read your comment as “2 Republicans”, which reminded me of Trump’s gaffe at Liberty U, and inspired this paraphasing of that most favored by fundies Bible quotes:
“Now the Base is the Hate, and where the Hate of the Base is, there is maximum Grifting potential”. Amen.
NotMax
Well aware I have mentioned it previously, but gotta go with another look at the prescience of Murphy Brown.
lgerard
Favorite statement: When Marco suggested Bernie run for the President of Sweden
Maybe if he had attended the Committee on Foreign Relations meetings once in a while he would know that Sweden doesn’t have a President.
Anoniminous
@Adam L Silverman:
More likely he has a prion disease. It’s not common among brain surgeons and neuroanatomists but it isn’t unknown, either.
Adam L Silverman
@Anoniminous: I’m not a medical doctor, but there is clearly something really strange about his affect. Its been reported by advisors to his campaign that he can’t retain the information they are trying to get him to learn in prep for events like debates. Whatever it is its sad. Not least of which is outside of his supporters and those that will point to him as a way to excuse their own bigotry, he’s basically made himself look like a fool.
trollhattan
I’m not linking but the FBI has posted unedited aerial footage of Finicum’s last moments on the planet.
Suzanne
@NotMax: I memorized the Preamble in first grade.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
Agree. He doesn’t need this and doesn’t need to be subjecting himself and his family to this. Why do it at all?
trollhattan
@Suzanne:
Probably did as well, but it necessarily would have incorporated “boogers” at some key spot.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: I put the link in an update to my earlier post on the subject. I also provide a summary of the press conference and the events seen on the video.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: Ego. And the belief that the Deity, as he understands it, is speaking to him.
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman:
Ah, missed that. Sorry. (Also, sorry I watched but what is seen…)
trollhattan
@Adam L Silverman: @efgoldman:
Guess my overarching question is whether hundred-dollar Ben is so out of it he’s being deployed as a grift-o-matic unwittingly? Not that he doesn’t seem to like the attention, but so does my MIL in her care home.
SiubhanDuinne
@Suzanne:
Not quite that early for me, but by fourth grade I could recite the Preamble, the first chunk of the Declaration, and all of the Gettysburg Address. Not to mention a fair amount of poetry.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’m sure this won’t blow shit up at all
I wonder how many youtube clips he’ll watch to figure out what she meant? Something tells me Trump’s taste in movies run to John Wayne and Gene Kelly musicals. Books…? Ha
ThresherK (GPad)
Who can recite the Preamble without playing that song in their head?
opiejeanne
@trollhattan: I’ve seen it and I will post the link to the short version narrated by FBI agent Breitzing. It does vindicate the official version of the event as well as square with what the militants said.
youtu.be/7TTctVOnF2U
Anne Laurie
@Adam L Silverman: Done! (assuming the last email I have for LAMH is correct)…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@ThresherK (GPad): I forget which grade it was, but we were all singing the Schoolhouse Rock version to practice. I remember there was one two or three word phrase left out. Can’t remember what at the moment.
NotMax
@ThresherK
Captain Kirk?
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Gene Kelly was cool. Don’t drop him in this.
Peale
@PhoenixRising: part of me says it’s stupid. The stupid part of me says if your opponent believes the apololyse will start with a battle led by an Iranian Jew in which 600 Muslim horsemen will survive victorious and ride into Jerusalem to the Temple Mount…well that’s almost as good as fighting folks who think the magic potion they just drank will make them bulletproof if they fight naked. I’d go to that spot and start shooting horses.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: Fortunately its from a distance, even with the zoom. When they finish the shooting inquest they’ll likely release the body cam footage and that will be harder to watch.
Steve in the ATL
@lamh36: Best of luck with the job. If the hiring manager is Southern, though, he’s going to want you to spell “y’all” correctly!
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: efg, sorry about the extreme crankiness last night. I still disagree on the merits, but I let a really shitty 13 hour work day affect me. My apologies.
Adam L Silverman
@trollhattan: I think he thinks he’s been called to do this. I also think he’s clearly being exploited, but maybe I’m wrong and he’s in on it.
Adam L Silverman
@Anne Laurie: thanks!
Steve in the ATL
@Adam L Silverman:
He obviously keeps forgetting that he’s black or he wouldn’t be running as a Republican
Peale
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: if anything, it will leave fans very confused. I mean when I think voldemort, I don’t think “guy standing in the public square calling attention to his lunacy.” Yeah, I guess they both wave their arms, but voldemort had a wand.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Omnes Omnibus: Not dissing Kelly. Hell, I even like John Wayne when he was playing a role. I just have a vague sense that any pop-culture taste Trump has is twenty or thirty years older than he is. I bet he didn’t and still doesn’t get why everybody got so excited about the Beatles.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: Oddly, I think that RI is one of the states I’ve never visited. Lived in CT and spent quite a bit of time in MA, but never RI. Go figure.
Peale
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: oh he had to pick up something reading about himself in Spy.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Got it.
Steve in the ATL
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Indeed–lazy and mean-spirited. Shirks his job, lets lobbyists do it for him.
NotMax
For a while now, have been musing it was Trump who was Jack Smurch.
But Cruz is giving a solid run at true Smurchdom.
Omnes Omnibus
@Peale: I miss Spy.
BillinGlendaleCA
@trollhattan: DROONS!!!
NotMax
@Omes Omnibus
Smallest in acreage, longest in name of any of the states.
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax: Thurber lived in Newtown, CT for a while and he had a habit of drawing cartoons on walls. Over time his cartoons were wallpapered of over and such. Later, they were discovered and the plaster cut out. They were on display in the public library when I lived there in the late 70s – I assume they still are.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: There’s very little reason to go to RI unless you have some specific reason. Like receiving a bribe. Or “Visit all 50 states” bucket list item.
Even Interstate 95 seems embarrassed and guilty for going through the state. It really shouldn’t.
BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: I think they’re compensating for something.
redshirt
I was riding the bus the other day and it had the 1990’s movie version of “The Little Rascals” on and while I did not attend to the movie, but rather my book, I caught bits and pieces when looking up. One of which featured the rich kid antagonist calling up a very young looking Donald Trump who was in the stands for a boxcar derby race. For advice on being rich, I assume, as I could not hear the movie at all. But I chuckled, I assure you.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: I would l like to be even offered a bribe. Can that happen in RI?
ETA: Aren’t you from the part of NE that puts mayo on lobster rolls? My level of trust for you is low.
Suzanne
@SiubhanDuinne: My grandfather was 77 when he died, and he still had the entire Thanatopsis memorized.
danielx
Paul Kantner died today. Wonder if his system was finally overwhelmed by contemplation of the fact that yes, these assholes really are in the running for the highest office in the land.
They make Richard Fucking Nixon look (almost) benign in comparison, which is no small accomplishment.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: Yeah, just stop at any convenience store in the state and ask for one. They have to give it to you, per state law.
I don’t eat lobster and never have. Except that one crazy time.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt:
Huh? Je ne comprend pas.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: Vegetarian. I pity the poor bugs. As I pity all life.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: Golly. I suppose that explains a lot.
redshirt
@srv: Are you organizing for Trump? Donating to Trump? Voting for Trump?
seaboogie
@Adam L Silverman:
For me, that will not be hard to watch at all. “Tarpman” went all in, constantly armed, with the desire to not be taken alive. He tried to run one officer down and then tried to draw his weapon even though he was surrounded by LEOs who had a bead on him. He was full of rage and stupid, and got his stated wish, even as he was given every chance by that Oregon State Patrol and the FBI.
Contrast that with an unarmed Eric Garner being choked to death by cops because he was selling “loosies”, and the cops were annoyed by him and were fed up with having their “authoriteh” challenged. That (and so many more like it) is hard for me to watch, because when I do I feel the despair of the black community who know that they have a better than average chance to be shot and killed for the most trivial of reasons by angry paranoid cops. And the cops get to walk, because they felt “threatened”. And the family gets dissed for seeking redress.
NotMax
@Omes Omnibus
Don’t drink the cabinets.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: Indeed.
Mike J
@redshirt: Directed by Penelope Spheeris, who did Decline of Western Civ, the punk (and heavy metal) doc that everyone loves.
Steve in the ATL
@seaboogie: Indeed. What’s the point of living once DFACS has taken away your slave labor?
Prescott Cactus
@efgoldman:
And won unfortunately.
seaboogie
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’ve eaten lobster a time or two, but no more than that – I enjoy seafood, but lobster is kind of ‘meh’ for me. I’ve often wondered how hungry the first folks who et them had to be, for that crustacean to look like a good idea for a meal. Well, wonder no more…..
Omnes Omnibus
@seaboogie: I don’t like seeing any person die. I don’t think the OSP acted improperly from what I know of theses assholes and this guy’s prior behavior and actions.
Any comparisons with what happened here and the municipal cop killings of black kids is actually a contrast. The level of restraint shown here by the feds, who were coordinating, is what the norm for law enforcement should be.
Omnes Omnibus
@Prescott Cactus: Who won in ’92?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Prescott Cactus: Actually, he didn’t. That was 1992, when he was Vice President of the United States and President of the Senate. He and Pappy Bush did go on to lose that election.
redshirt
@efgoldman: Maine currently deserves your scorn.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Prescott Cactus: I think the whole Murphy Brown thing was from the ’92 cycle, and IIRC didn’t Quayle admit that he had never seen the show? The whole would-be controversy was cooked up by Maggie Gallagher, a Quayle aide last seen as the head of something called the National Organization for Marriage (ETA: As in anti gay group), which I suspect was (to borrow somebody’s line about another RW pressure group) her and a fax machine (dated reference kept on purpose)
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: Some hick from Arkansas.
Omnes Omnibus
@seaboogie: First people who experimented with mushrooms and so on….
trollhattan
@efgoldman:
Trump’s been dumbing it down so much I suspect folks forget he’s an early boomer who grew up rich as all fuck, went to the best schools and literally lived the penthouse life. Probably started mixing his own martinis at fourteen. I have to believe he saw The Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Blow Up, dropped acid and repeatedly watched 2001. You know, boomer stuff. He probably “does irony” around friends, assuming he has any left. But Little Lord Fauntleroy took over and he went on to do the real estate mogul thing. Probably chased black folks away from his units, just like dear old dad.
Ivana needs to dish. What’s Sully up to?
redshirt
@efgoldman: srv has been pro-Trump in his trolling for some time now; the now called “Granite” aka “Right-to-Rise” aka a dozen other names has switched his trolling, apparently, from Jeb? to The Donald, as many “serious” Republicans seem to be doing as well. Has the die been cast? Is Trump locked in?
NotMax
@seaboogie
Similar case for oysters, once so plentiful that they were deemed fit primarily for the more common masses. So inexpensive that the trash pits behind or near colonial-era inns are often found stuffed with layer upon layer of oyster shells.
BillinGlendaleCA
@redshirt: Don’t know, we’ll know alot more after the caucuses.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: He claims no booze or drug use ever.
redshirt
@efgoldman: We’ve become a laughing stock and of course to these insane people that’s a compliment, a mark of achievement.
They really do want to tear everything down. They’re the farthest thing from “Conservatives”. Today’s Republican is an active terrorist radical.
seaboogie
@Steve in the ATL: No kidding, eh*?
*Unlike Cruz, I wasn’t born in Canada, but I did move there as a teen and lived there for a long while
And I know that Canada has a well-deserved reputation for being nice, but they also have a wonderfully subversive sense of humor, witness Nickelback, The Biebs, and Ted Cruz. ‘At’s your payback for softwood lumber tariffs back in the day.
A little comic relief for all of us after this long, absurd day. Actually, per the link – the debate/alt Trump dealio was kind of like Terry Gilliam directed it.
trollhattan
@redshirt:
The “Granite” Trump slobbering was startling in its whiplash potential. Hilarity ensued when a crafty commenter pulled up several of his prior Trump dismissals. The heartbreak of remora.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
Of course he does! Gosh darn it all, he’s the vulgarian edition Mitt Romney.
{stage whisper} ivana, call me, we need to talk….
NotMax
@trollhattan
The difference being that Romney’s wife owns a dancing horse’s ass.
Trump’s wife (wives) married one.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Oh, I believe that he was injecting coke into his “equipment” and every other weird thing that came up over the last 40 years. I was just saying what his position is.
seaboogie
@NotMax:
I remember my first oyster (she said, blushing slightly…)
I eyeballed it for quite a while, because it looked like a giant loogie, and I (truly) worried about being able to swallow it. Pretty tasty (with lemon and tabasco), and kind of sensual, once you wrap your mind around the experience.
Interesting fact for @redshirt, some vegans are quite fine with eating the bi-valves
….
Omnes Omnibus
Have fun. I am off.
redshirt
@seaboogie: Hypocrites. Sea Loogies are alive!
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@trollhattan: I have never ever heard of “Blow Up” until you just mentioned it (an I’m a TCM junkie). Just looked it up. Wow. I had no idea Vanessa Redgrave was so beautiful. I’ll have to add this one to my watch list.
seaboogie
@redshirt:
So are any vegetables, consumed raw, out of the garden!
mclaren
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Blow-Up (1966) is a great film. If you’re interested in that kind of thing, you might also want to check out L’Avventura (1960) also by Michaelangelo Antonioni, and Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975) by Peter Weir.
Anya
@seaboogie: You forgot David Frum.
redshirt
@seaboogie: Not when picked. But yes, to some degree plants are alive and I’m killing them eating a salad and so I’m a murderer too. To live is to kill, apparently.
trollhattan
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
David Hemmings was a lucky, lucky man. Fantastic film and the Travolta remake, while not bad per se, was so unnecessary.
seaboogie
@Anya:
Well, I do try to do so, on an average day, but in what way did I forget him?
I did serve his mom coffee once at a cafe at which I worked. She was a highly respected news anchor in Canada (where I lived at the time), but ever since I heard her interview some kids during the Atlanta child murders, and she asked a very young one “how did you feel about your friend being murdered?”, I was pretty over her – nevermind her famous-ness.
mclaren
@Adam L Silverman:
I’ve noticed this about Ben Carson too. Not sure what’s going on — drugs? Some kind of cerebral condition? Maybe extreme flattened affect combined with morbid narcissism and borderline personality disorder? Whatever’s going on with Carson, there’s something badly off about him. It’s like watching someone who suffers from Capgras Syndrome.
Anne Laurie
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’d almost believe that, as much as I’d believe anything Il Trumpenfuhrer says. He has a bad family history with addiction, including his ‘beloved’ older brother who destroyed his own life & died young because of alcohol. There’s plenty of examples behind the old proverb that a drunk’s kids end up as either drunks themselves, or strict-to-the-point-of-paranoia teetotalers… including my own family, before anyone climbs on the politically correct stump.
seaboogie
@redshirt:
Ever had a potato long enough that the “eyes” start to sprout? Arguably alive.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
I saw David Frum on MSNBC last night. He still maintains Trump won’t win the nomination, but he doesn’t offer any alternate scenario. I guess Neo-Cons cling to denial more so than other people.
redshirt
@seaboogie: True. So many potato murders happening now that I realize. :(
I’m going to train myself to only require the sun to live.
trollhattan
@trollhattan:
Also, too, Jane Birkin, cast in Blow-Up as “The Blonde” had maybe the weirdest A.M. radio hit single ever, recorded with Serge Gainsbourg.
Major Major Major Major
better trollz plz
also the clams were delicious, y’all should have just eaten with me and the bf
seaboogie
@redshirt: Heh. What we consume must have an aspect of life in it to nourish us and sustain us. But I’m about 95% vegetarian myself.
redshirt
@seaboogie: I’ve stopped eating potatoes though. I’ve bought into the low carb diet and potatoes are pretty much all carbs. Pasta and rice too.
PurpleGirl
@Anne Laurie: I believe Trump has a germ and handwashing fetish and won’t shake hands with people for fear of getting germs from others. If so, I’d imagine it makes having sex complicated.
danielx
Hmmmm…area cops searching a place in relation to disappearance of a female IU student named Lauren Spierer. Scary/nasty – really disappeared right off the street after a night of partying, like she just dropped off the face of the earth. I hate to draw conclusions about the suspect. However, I looked at his picture and thought yup, looks like a potential serial murderer to me! On the other hand, if you could tell what a serial murderer looks like, etc etc.
Hope it’s resolved, this poor girl’s parents have been going nuts since 2011.
fuckwit
I found out something interesting today. Medi-Cal doesn’t cover anaesthesia! So the poor must SUFFER IN EXCRUCIATING PAIN! Muaaaahaahahahaa!!!
Just kidding. Medi-Cal doesn’t cover anesthesia for deep-plaque-cleaning. It is excruciatingly painful, at least for me. It probably covers anaesthesia for cavity fillings, but I don’t know. I might put off the deep cleaning until I can save up a grand or whatever it’ll cost for the anaesthesia.
I’m very glad I have subsidized dental care. But still, the whole no-anaesthesia thing just made me laugh. If we’re not going to kill the poor, at least make them scream in agony.
Is it safe? Yes, it’s very very safe. Is it safe?
To keep at least some of the pain at bay, I have a GreaseMonkey filter in my browser that replaces all instances of “Trump” with “fucking troll”. It not only keeps me from having to read the motherfucker’s name but it also adds great deal to clarity!
redshirt
@fuckwit: What’s deep plaque cleaning? Scraping your teeth with a tool?
seaboogie
@trollhattan:
I live a pretty small life these days – and always have, for that matter – but I realize that If I can say that
a) I served coffee to David Frum’s mum
and
b) went bowling with John Travolta (with the cast and crew of a small film before Pulp Fiction came out) that I have been a little bit out in the world. Quite a hermit these days and don’t usually consider it, until it comes up – and then I’m like – oh yeah, I did that, hmmm…whaddya know – two quoted ones on one late-night thread – that’s some pretty random shit right there! Plus bi-valves and potatoes!
Anoniminous
@redshirt:
Polling has him going 4 for 4 and carrying a majority of the Super Tuesday states. The Not-Trumps have mostly given up and even the He’s-Never-Won-a-Single-Vote objection is wearing thin. Iowa and NH will be the test, if he does go ahead and win he’ll romp to the nomination.
PurpleGirl
@fuckwit: Anaesthesia for deep plaque cleaning is probably a shot of novacaine or lidocaine, similar to the anaesthesia for a filling. I’ve never had a dentist charge separately for it; it seems crazy that Cal-Med would split the cost that way.
mclaren
@redshirt:
Jabbing and punching in between your gums and your teeth with a wickedly pointed stainless steel tool. The goal is to draw as much blood as possible.
Fortunately my superhuman pain tolerance made the procedure barely noticeable. “You doing okay?” the dentist asks as she gouges my gums with the stainless steel pick, dredging up bloody gobbets of gum tissue.
“What, this? No problem.” I barely noticed.
Good news is that when the DHS goons finally get around to running power drills through my kneecaps to get me to give up my fellow progressives to the torturers, I’ll laugh at them and give them nothing.
redshirt
@mclaren: That’s the spirit.
Pain is just an idea. Ignore it.
danielx
@fuckwit:
Going way out on a limb here, since I don’t know – but I’m guessing anesthesia as such would mean administering drugs on the spot, being monitored, all that good stuff. Lidocaine or whatever would almost have to be part of the procedure or nobody would get it done; given a choice most folks would choose excruciating pain later over excruciating pain now. They might also not include use a topical before they stick one with lidocaine or novocaine – which for me has always been the point where my muscles tense up and so forth. However, ask the guy if he’ll prescribe you some Halcyon, like one or two, only one if you can sleep the night before, two if you need one to go to sleep before the procedure – sedative, capiche? Stick it under your tongue an hour before the appointment, you won’t notice a thing except when they tell you to open your mouth wider or suchlike. It’s a cheap drug even without insurance and it works wonders. Downside is that you have to have someone drive you to the appointment and then home, cause you won’t be driving or much of anything else for the rest of the day. I had to have some heavy duty work done for dental implants, and if you can work it it’s definitely the way to go.
Frankensteinbeck
@seaboogie:
Almost all vegetables are alive when eaten raw. Mortally wounded, but alive. They get nasty fast when they die, so you pickle or cook them first. Heck, I think grains are often alive. If the seed can be grown, it’s a living organism. Chop up a carrot, and the slices are living organisms potentially still rescuable. All of this is silly technicality nitpicking, of course, but such is the finest tradition of Balloon Juice.
Origuy
@fuckwit: My housemate has Medi-Cal. For several years, they weren’t covering dental work at all, except for extractions. She has Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. It affects your gums and teeth, so that hers are in terrible shape. Now they cover fillings and they do cover Novocaine. However, one of the side effects of EDS is that Novocaine wears off quickly. Nitrous oxide would be better for her, but Medi-Cal doesn’t cover that. She now has several missing teeth. EDS means that bridges would be difficult. She really needs implants, but of course they don’t cover that.
opiejeanne
@NotMax: In the San Francisco bay it was crabs. They hauled nets full of them onto shore, then plowed them into the fields for fertilizer.
I can’t imagine.
opiejeanne
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: He left out Zabriskie Point.
J R in WV
@redshirt:
Come on now, Newport Folk Festival, Newport Jazz Festival, both sometimes in RI. Plus the giant mansions turned into museums, we visited those when I was a child on summer driving vacations, on the way up to Maine.
But the Folk Festival, I visited that with classmates my first summer at college, and the focus was on blues, so I got to see and hear Janis and BB King, and Muddy Waters, and Buddy Guy… so many I can’t remember all the names.
The first exposure to the Blues for me, and a genuine life-changing event. So don’t go dissin’ Rhode Island to me, it changed my file.