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You are here: Home / Immigration / Res Ipsa Loquitur: Obama Derangement/Immigration Edition

Res Ipsa Loquitur: Obama Derangement/Immigration Edition

by Tom Levenson|  January 28, 20166:01 pm| 31 Comments

This post is in: Immigration, Republican Stupidity, The Brown Enemy Within, Vote Like Your Country Depends On It, Our Failed Political Establishment, The Failed Obama Administration (Only Took Two Weeks), Their Motto: Apocalypse Now

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I really do think the Democrats would have a lock on election success if only Obama would say publicly that drinking Drano(hemlock?) is a bad idea.

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For the latest on that score, check this out:

Most Americans say they back a plan that would allow certain illegal immigrants to stay in the country, but support for the idea slips when President Barack Obama’s name is attached to the question, according to a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll.

That is:

Sixty-one percent of Americans supported Obama’s plan — which shields some undocumented immigrants from deportation — when they were not told Obama had taken the action, according to the poll released Wednesday. While half of Republicans rejected the plan when described this way, 42 percent of Republicans supported it.

Told that the idea was Obama’s, though…and this happened:

Support fell to 54 percent overall, with only 31 percent of Republicans supporting it and 62 percent opposing the measures.

I guess that the fact that almost a third of Republicans still managed to hang on to their view exceeds my expectations.  But a 20 percent swing attributable only to the horror at lining up with the Kenyan Moooslim Socialist Usurper is a measure of the triumph of the worst elements in our polity.  They’ve managed to make agreement with even the most mild of sensible ideas an existential horror for too many.  (See criminal justice reform for another reminder.)

As long as that prevails (and it looks like it will for quite a while) we’ve got problems. And the urgent need to elect a Democrat to the Presidency this November.

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31Comments

  1. 1.

    Just Some Fuckhead, Tone Police

    January 28, 2016 at 6:04 pm

    Alright, I’ll be keeping an eye on things here. Keep it tonal.

  2. 2.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 28, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    Near.

    Sheriff.

    ‘Nuff said!

  3. 3.

    redshirt

    January 28, 2016 at 6:07 pm

    Obama: Please take deep, clean, fulfilling breaths every 10 seconds at the minimum

    27% of Americans asphyxiate.

  4. 4.

    bystander

    January 28, 2016 at 6:10 pm

    Unfortunately, if Hillary or Sanders were POTUS and advanced similar policies, the disapproval numbers associated with their names would only be slightly better. Invading a foreign nation and plunging the country into decades of war that have cost thousands of lives and countless billions is real leadery leadership and no executive orders were needed.

  5. 5.

    Brachiator

    January 28, 2016 at 6:12 pm

    Very good illustration of how Obama Derangement Syndrome warps perception.

  6. 6.

    Benw

    January 28, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead, Tone Police: sorry, I’m tone deaf.

  7. 7.

    JPL

    January 28, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    The poll is not surprising, considering what happened to Common Core.

    Today I spotted a Republican car. It had two bumper stickers, one, freedom doesn’t mean free stuff and the other global warming is a hoax. it kinda made me feel icky just seeing it.

  8. 8.

    SiubhanDuinne

    January 28, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    @Brachiator:

    Very good illustration of how Obama Derangement Syndrome warps perception.

    Republicans reject ideas they agree with when Obama’s name is attached. Democrats may be taken aback when we hear of a Republican espousing something we agree with, but our reaction is generally of the “stopped clock/blind squirrel” variety.

  9. 9.

    Mike J

    January 28, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    @JPL: The two I saw yesterday were “I ♥ fossil fuels” and “The earth isn’t your mother”.

  10. 10.

    Davebo

    January 28, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    You left out a somewhat important part of that piece.

    Support fell to 54 percent overall, with only 31 percent of Republicans supporting it and 62 percent opposing the measures.

    As opposed to..

    But when the same plan was described as being an executive action taken by Obama, support fell to 54 percent overall, with only 31 percent of Republicans supporting it and 62 percent opposing the measures.

    Far be it from me to defend Republicans but it’s quite possible a lot of them oppose it being accomplished by executive action as opposed to legislation.

  11. 11.

    A Ghost To Most

    January 28, 2016 at 6:28 pm

    Ignorance can be fixed; willful ignorance, not so much.

  12. 12.

    JPL

    January 28, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    Roadblock has been taken down and reporters are on the way to the refuge..

    should have put OT

  13. 13.

    Mnemosyne

    January 28, 2016 at 6:38 pm

    Completely, 100 percent off topic and totally bragging, but … you cynics would probably say that I should have slapped the co-writer of “it’s a small world” when I met him, but he’s such a sweet guy that you wouldn’t have been able to do it, either. I think he still believes in that song 100 percent.

  14. 14.

    JPL

    January 28, 2016 at 6:42 pm

    @Mnemosyne: i still love that song..

  15. 15.

    pacem appellant

    January 28, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    Why can’t we just say that Obama said that “that drinking Drano is a bad idea.” The right isn’t terribly interested in the truth. Wanna bet they don’t bother looking up the citation until enough of their electorate is ill, or dead?

  16. 16.

    JPL

    January 28, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    Here’s a link to the twitter feed that I’m reading.. about the terrorists in Oregon..

    link

  17. 17.

    JPL

    January 28, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    If the siege of public property is over, surely, the right will credit McCain, cuz can’t ever admit the Obama administration is in charge.

  18. 18.

    dogwood

    January 28, 2016 at 6:55 pm

    @JPL:
    Maybe srv is your neighbor.

  19. 19.

    JPL

    January 28, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    @dogwood: Could be since there is a neighborhood bigot, but I thought every neighborhood had a bigot or two.

  20. 20.

    Calouste

    January 28, 2016 at 6:58 pm

    OT: Trump has just replied to Cruz’s challenge for a debate by saying that he will debate him once he has proven to be eligible for the presidency. I think that Trump running his own shows opposite the RNC sponsored clown shows is at it is going to be for the rest of the primaries, and that most likely Trump won’t “debate the Democratic candidate either.

  21. 21.

    Chyron HR

    January 28, 2016 at 7:01 pm

    @Davebo:

    Far be it from me to defend Republicans but it’s quite possible a lot of them oppose it being accomplished by executive action as opposed to legislation.

    Sure, some of them could be guided by their long-standing principled opposition to executive orders that started in January, 2009.

  22. 22.

    dogwood

    January 28, 2016 at 7:07 pm

    @Calouste:
    I think I would be fine if Trump refused to debate the Democratic candidate. He turns everything into a colossal circus, and debates are already a mini-circus. Only real political junkies think debates matter. Public opinion measuring winners and losers in debates isn’t necessarily reflected in the outcome of elections.

  23. 23.

    raven

    January 28, 2016 at 7:10 pm

    Gilmore is ripping the Vets charade!

  24. 24.

    Eric NNY

    January 28, 2016 at 7:26 pm

    I think you need to check that math. 11 percent swing among Rpugs. 42% to 31%.

  25. 25.

    Davebo

    January 28, 2016 at 7:29 pm

    @Chyron HR: Just saying.

    While I realize there’s no possibility of comprehensive immigration reform in the near, or possibly far future I would feel more comfortable with this laudable goal being accomplished legislatively. Because of the near total impossibility of that happening I support the EO approach but it’s possible some on the right who may support the goal wouldn’t.

    That and the word “support” wasn’t capitalized in the linked story which leads us into the whole ellipsis debate.

  26. 26.

    Zinsky

    January 28, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    Republicans would charge Obama with practicing medicine without a license if he cured cancer.

    BTW – the picture of Socrates taking the hemlock used to be on the banner of The Agonist webpage, an old blog that has fallen on hard times.

  27. 27.

    Paula

    January 28, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    Some Democratic senators have told him to stop deportations altogether.

  28. 28.

    Villago Delenda Est

    January 28, 2016 at 8:43 pm

    @Davebo: They had no problem with “executive action” when a deserting shitstain was in the White House.

  29. 29.

    J R in WV

    January 28, 2016 at 9:16 pm

    @srv:

    Toxic to whom>? If you’re sensitized to reality, then reality is toxic. Like Republicans, for example.

    I dunno why you bother us.

  30. 30.

    heckblazer

    January 28, 2016 at 11:13 pm

    @Davebo: Still not an entirely rational response. If Congress only allocates enough money to deport X number of undocumented immigrants, and X is smaller than the total number of undocumented immigrants, the executive unavoidably has to decide who to deport.

  31. 31.

    Momus

    January 29, 2016 at 6:35 pm

    Well, late to the party again. But, I must add that you, Mr. Levenson, must have been somewhat livid about this news as you failed to provide the attribution for the painting. So, I shall, in part, Jacques-Louis David, The Death of Socrates, but no date, as Sir Kenneth Clark in his The Romantic Rebellion doesn’t supply a firm date, but only suggests that it was done between 1780 and the Revolution.

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