That moment when your father forces you to defend Ted Cruz as less fascist than Donald Trump.
— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) February 7, 2016
@dandrezner that moment when you label a constitutionalist as fascist. #hamiltonspinningingrave
— timothy m. ryan (@strandleper) February 7, 2016
Hey, I was defending Cruz! https://t.co/KaBASSh2kz
— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) February 7, 2016
It’s written all over his face, according to a neurologist quoted in NYMag:
… Cytowic, who declares himself “not a Democrat,” argues that Cruz’s face sends subtle facial cues that go against what he’s saying, which complicates the very thing we are trained to do from birth: figure people out…
… [I]n Cruz’s case, Cytowic writes, his facial downfall comes in the form of his smile, or lack thereof. In a typical smile, the corners of the mouth turn up; this causes a chain reaction that makes the corners of the eyes contract, creating crow’s feet. But Cruz’s face doesn’t seem to do that, according to Cytowic: The smile doesn’t quite reach his eyes, which can be perceived as insincerity.
Another facial-oddity characteristic Cytowic points out is just north of the missing crow’s feet on Cruz’s face: the downward bend of the outside of his eyebrows… “Downturned expressions usually signal disagreeableness or disgust,” Cytowic writes. In other words, Cruz could accidentally be sending cues at rallies that he’s not a fan of his voters, which isn’t exactly the message he wants to convey…
One might suspect that Ted Cruz just isn’t a fan of humans, us stupid ill-educated beasts with our messy emotions and insufficient appreciation for God-King candidate Cruz…
@dandrezner you actually didn't listen to Cruz then, he clarified what he meant. He said, no population centers.
— Mark Myers (@MarkfromArk) February 7, 2016
Oh, I listened. It just made no f**king sense whatsoever. Also, there's this. https://t.co/YJSC8wzsqf https://t.co/z3KqJmOKfM
— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) February 7, 2016
Cruz is seriously a much better *debater* than he is as a *speaker*.
— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) February 7, 2016
Good to know, Mr. DoubtThat!
Mike in NC
The only thing that would improve Ted’s face would be a vat of sulfuric acid.
Omnes Omnibus
No shit. Now I’ll go read the post.
Amir Khalid
@srv:
That story only provides yet more confirmation that the Donald is an ignorant, vulgar lout who appeals to ignorant, vulgar louts.
Ridnik Chrome
Ted Cruz reminds me of Robert Mitchum’s character in “Night of the Hunter”.
Adam L Silverman
SRV: I deleted the first of your two comments that went into moderation. Not because of the quote, but because of the term you used to refer to Secretary Clinton. If I see you do that again I will take it to Cole and have you banned. If you want to repost that comment, and refer to Mrs. Clinton in a more appropriate manner, I will make sure it makes it out of moderation if it winds up there.
And I approved the one that is comment #2 above with the vulgarity as part of the quote.
mclaren
Okay, but what’s the story with Ben Carson?
There’s something severely off about Carson’s affect. The guy acts like he’s zoned out or stoned. I’d really like to see a neurologist dig into Carson’s public performances. Something intensely weird there. Maybe a diagnosable neurological condition.
Adam L Silverman
LTG MacFarland is the Commander of III Corps and dual hatted as the Commander of the Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve. When he was Colonel MacFarland and Commander of the 1st Brigade Combat Team/1st Armored Division (1BCT/1AD; The Ready First!), he oversaw the clearing of the corridor of death in Anbar Province. There are few people that no more about how to conduct low intensity warfare and counterinsurgency, especially in Iraq, than he does.
For full disclosure: I have known LTG MacFarland since he was a one star and provided him with operational support when he was the 1st Armored Division Commander and in his current assignment. I was also previously assigned, under Temporary Assigned Control (TACON) as the Cultural Advisor to the Commander of III Corps in 2012. This was two commanders before LTG MacFarland.
Nate Dawg
As far as I can tell, the biggest human rights issue to the Berniebros is white men’s ability to use sexist slurs with impunity.
Nate Dawg
Also, David Axelrod basically just called out HRC as a shitty campaigner.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/david-axelrod-clinton-shakeup-218964?cmpid=sf
mclaren
@Ridnik Chrome:
Or possibly Robert Mitchum’s character in Cape Fear (1962). But really, Richard Widmark’s character in Kiss of Death (1947).
Specifically, this scene.
Brachiator
@Amir Khalid:
Instead of channeling the anger of his supporters, Trump is simply basking in their most outrageous outpourings of venom.
My gut feeling (maybe only an empty hope) is that this is going to start to backfire on him. I predict that Trump will underperform in the New Hampshire primary, and will begin a slow decline.
mclaren
@Adam L Silverman:
If MacFarland is talking about the moral high ground, then he’s probably familiar with John Boyd’s work and William S. Lind’s concept of 4GW. MacFarland sounds like a sharp guy.
Adam L Silverman
@srv: He’s already been informed, as have the other front pagers. You want to push it, you will be unhappy.
Brachiator
@Nate Dawg:
I look at this as an indirect message from Obama to Clinton to get her shit together.
mclaren
@Brachiator:
It’s a cesspool wallow. This never ends well for any of those involved.
See Willie Stark in the 1949 film All the King’s Men.
mclaren
@efgoldman:
If everyone in America knew as much about this country as Amir Khalid does, this country wouldn’t be in the current political mess it finds itself in.
Adam L Silverman
@mclaren: He is a very sharp guy. I know all three of the current Corps Commanders. All three of them are very, very good officers.
Phoenix
@Nate Dawg: David Axelrod is upset because he’s been shut out in the cold by both Obama and Hillary for talking to Peggy Noonan’s bitter twin, Maureen Dowd. This is his revenge.
mclaren
@Brachiator:
That’s puzzling, because this time around Hillary has kicked ass as a campaigner. Last time, she was somewhat wooden…this election cycle, Hillary comes off as personable, polished, wonky yet warm enough to engage with the crowd, and thoroughly professional.
I’ll grant you Hillary isn’t as good working a crowd as Bernie Sanders, but then again, who is?
Nate Dawg
@Brachiator: It’s not a very indirect message. I assume they have ways of communicating that aren’t public.
I have no idea what the point of it is.
Also, Hillary is about to kick ass in the primaries post-NH, so not sure why they would actually be freaking out.
Hungry Joe
That Ross Douthat has a column anywhere — much less the New York Times — is jaw-dropping, gobsmacking, outrageous. He writes like a full-of-himself high school sophomore and thinks like of full-of-himself eighth grader. A few weeks ago he actually addressed me/us as “dear reader” — a phrase that always raises hackles even in places I didn’t know I had hackles — and inspired me to say, i.e., screech, “Socialist fucking Jesus on a pogo stick, the asshat gets PAID to write this?(!)”
Nate Dawg
@srv: In fairness, Tim F. was using the phrase to mock the RWNJ use of it. May be a bit above your pay grade, but contextual clues do matter.
Goblue72
@Nate Dawg: Give it a rest. This Berniebros nonsense from the Clinton crowd is about as annoying as Bill Clinton finger wagging Sanders and reminding everyone in America about the meaning of the word “is” (as well as the meaning of the word perjury, disbarred and blue dress).
Nate Dawg
@Goblue72: Berniebro on this thread defending his right to use sexist slurs and then telling everyone they are just PC. Maybe police your bros? That could potentially cause the issue to rest. Just a guess.
Goblue72
@srv: Considering Trump is just an arsehole while Cruz is a soulless sociopath, I’m not all that bothered that Trump went there.
Goblue72
@Nate Dawg: WTF are you even talking about? Have you so disappeared up your own obsessive rear end you can’t see how moronic you are?
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: Again, and this is the last thing I’m saying on this, the issue wasn’t the vulgarity. That was in context in the quoted story and in that case I had no problem approving the comment. The issue was also not the quoted material in the comment I deleted. Rather it was the term, non vulgarity – just inappropriate, used to refer to Secretary Clinton. You want to use her first name: no issue. Last name: no issue. Initials: no issue. Even some of the less savory referents: no issue. This one, however, was simply inappropriate. Finally, I have no control over what other front pagers do; especially what they did before I was asked to become one here.
My general rule of thumb is you use the title of the highest earned rank and last name. You want to argue that Secretary Kissinger or Secretary Albright are war criminals, or made war crimes possible by the policies and strategies they pursued? No problem. But some referents are simply unacceptable even if they are not vulgarities.
Finally, SRV is more than welcome to repost the quote without the appellation he used for Secretary Clinton and should it wind up in moderation, and I’m still awake, I will make sure it gets cleared and posted. The issue, again, is not and was not what SRV quoted, that was clear and delineated using the quote field. The issue was the appellation he used for Secretary Clinton.
NotMax
It’s bred in the bone.
From The New Yorker:
Amir Khalid
@efgoldman:
Actually, no. I visited the US as a journalist on assignment several times in the 1990s.
Anne Laurie
@efgoldman:
Yeah, even Thackeray used “dear reader” ironically. I think that’s when it officially became a signifier for “snark in the process of commitment”… which Douthat misses, because snark isn’t something his extremely conventional little brain can process.
Nate Dawg
@Goblue72: I’d tell you to go fuck yourself but I doubt you’d be able to find the right hole considering you’re obviously blind.
Why don’t you drink your chamomile, get a good night’s sleep, and read the thread again in the morning. Maybe it’ll make sense then. If not, don’t know what to tell you, pal.
Brachiator
@mclaren:
Clinton squeaked out a win in Iowa, and looks to be getting demolished in New Hampshire. This is not the end of the world, but it doesn’t look good.
However, the recent statements of some of her surrogates, Steinem and even old Bill himself recently, are stupidly out of line and have needlessly alienated potential supporters. She is lucky as hell that Sanders is a little rigid.
Also, I listened to Clinton respond to a question about Rubio’s hard line stance on abortion. I thought that Clinton would hit it out of the ballpark, but there was something about her answer that was too cold, too wonky, and indirect. She was correct, and covered all of the legal and political bases, but not enough of the human ones.
I think she was at her best in responding to the doofuses at the Benghazi hearings. I’d like to see more of that Clinton on the campaign trail.
jacy
Ted Cruz, a walking Uncanny Valley.
Goblue72
@Nate Dawg: Last time I checked, srv wasn’t a Sanders supporter but a Trump supporter.
NotMax
In other news…
Talk about a left-handed claim to fame.
A meteorite may have killed someone for first time in nearly 200 years
(With appropriate apologies to southpaws. It’s an idiom.)
Kropadope
@Nate Dawg:
Wow, I can’t even with this guy.
Nate Dawg
@Goblue72: I didn’t call him a Sanders supporter.
Goblue72
@Brachiator: Clinton’s lucky Sanders isn’t 54 instead of 74. Put his politics and passion inside a younger candidate and she’s a smear in the middle of the highway. Which is exactly what happened in 2008.
NotMax
@Amir Khalid
How goes the finger? Test results come back?
Goblue72
So what exactly is the Berniebro comment meant in connection with srv’s meltdown then?
Adam L Silverman
@Goblue72: I have no idea. And I’m going to bed. Everyone have a nice night.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
Follow-up appointment on Thursday. We’ll review the result then.
Peale
@NotMax: @NotMax: T
Are colum inches really so hard to fill? Seriously?.
Goblue72
@Adam L Silverman: Pleasant dreams. (Seriously)
jacy
@mclaren:
I saw someone posit somewhere that very occasionally neurosurgeons can become infected with a prion disease like Krutzfeld-Jacob by operating on a patient with the un-diagnosed disease. I noted it because I did my senior molecular biology seminar on infectious prion diseases many years ago and have always maintained an interest.
It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
Peale
@efgoldman: We’ll see. There’s just a lot of people who aren’t going to look at the state of the world and think “revolutionary moment.” And there are quite a few of us who look back at the Clinton years more fondly than the revisionists.
Nate Dawg
@Goblue72: There are only two candidates SRV has lauded: Trump and Sanders. The anti-HRC, MRA knuckledragging crowd supports these two candidates. The hardcore bro’s cheer Trump on because they view him as Bernie’s best chance at winning the general. I’ll stop there for fear of pissing off the true beliebers.
I should probably just be happy not everyone’s a cynic at this point.
David *Rafael* Koch
@Goblue72:
Even he refused to put his head in the sand and recognizes that it exists and that it’s “disgusting”.
I guess the Dudebros are gonna have to add Sanders to the enemies list. They’ll probably do what they do best: sexually harass his wife and daughters online.
Goblue72
@efgoldman: That is not always true. Often but not always. And besides both bring fairly white, the two states are politically miles apart. I lived in Massachusetts for over a decade. NH politically is almost nothing like the rest of New England. The libertarian nuts who wanted to colonize NH didn’t pick it because it was full of hippies. The hippies are in Vermont. The fire your guns in the air Teabaggers are in NH.
charon
@efgoldman:
MSNBC showed the results of many previous NH primaries this afternoon.
The consistent thing about them seems to be the results are always wildly different than the polls.
My guess polling is not any more predictive this year than what was seen in the past.
Nate Dawg
Polling is the biggest loser this go around. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Hillary pulled it out again. Comeback Kid III or something.
Brachiator
@Nate Dawg:
They have allowed themselves to be shaken by Clinton’s inability to connect with younger voters. And I think if Sanders were less rigid in parts of his message, he could give Clinton a run for her money in the primaries after New Hampshire.
But I agree that Clinton appears to be strong post NH.
gene108
@Goblue72:
Yeah, Hillary lost Iowa in 2008 and it just snowballed from there, with here losing every primary and caucus on the way to Obama’s coronation. She should’ve dropped out after her loss in New Hampshire, in 2008, because she never had a chance.
Also, if Hillary were 54, I think she could realistically reach out to a younger audience more easily.
And if I 20 years younger, knowing what I know now, holy fuck, I’d be like some sort of fucking demi-god, with the ability to avoid the mistakes I made over the last two decades.
********************************
@Goblue72:
Well, Bill was a horn-dog.
Bernie has a baby mama
No one’s perfect.
Goblue72
@David *Rafael* Koch: You Clintonistas have disappeared up your own rear ends.
But I’m sure you’ll be hypocritically screeching that anyone who doesn’t vote for Clinton in the general is a traitor.
Calouste
@efgoldman:
McCain beat Romney in 2008 in NH.
gene108
I had a strange dream. For some reason it caused me to pull my left knee up to my chest. I knee now hurts. Growing old.
Brachiator
@efgoldman:
I agree with you here, but Clinton’s weakness with younger voters is, and should be, worrisome.
I think that black voters (not sure about Latinos) like Hillary, but don’t love her like they love Obama or even Bill Clinton.
A smarter Sanders campaign (and one which ditched Cornell West) might be able to make some inroads with nonwhite voters.
Goblue72
@gene108: Bernie had a first marriage and got divorced. Big deal. They are apparently on decent terms. And he had a son out of wedlock. Again, big deal. Neither were marrie at the time or cheated on anyone. People have kids without being married all the time.
Bill Clinton had sex with an intern half his age while married. That’s both adultery and sexual harassment. Because that’s what it’s called when you have sec with an employee way your junior in the chain of command and abuse that power differential. And then he lied about it – both UNDER OATH in a court of law, and to the American public.
So yeah, one is completely unlike the other.
Nice try dumbass.
Peale
@Brachiator: yep. I guess if the past eight years have done anything to me, they’ve moved me into the “middle aged” category more clearly, where in 2008 I could be a youthful supporter. But seriously, the online blogprog young progressive, the “future” it likes to call itself, largely evaporated by 2010. Now it’s back and it wants me to trust that it won’t go poof again the first time Bernie uses a drone.
David *Rafael* Koch
.@Brachiator:
What does Estes Kefauver, Ed Muskie, Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas, and Hillary Clinton have in common: they all won NH and lost the nomination.
Lemme get this straight: Sanders’s DudeBros are terrorizing the intertubes, needlessly alienating potential supporters with patently offensive sexism and rank misogyny, but his sane supporters say “it’s not a big deal”. Yet the very same supporters think any idiotic thing Clinton’s supporters say is the equivalent of the Reichstag fire.
Super Tuesday can’t come quick enough to restore rationality and reality based discussions.
gene108
@Calouste:
McCain beat Bush, Jr. in 2000 in NH. McCain does well in NH.
AxelFoley
@mclaren:
You’re just now noticing?
gene108
@Goblue72:
For a lot of folks, having a baby mama is considered a bad thing; a moral failing, if you will.
For a lot of folks, they felt Bill and Hillz marriage problems were a private matter and should not have been played out in public, let alone in court or in Congress during impeachment proceedings and should be put behind them.
Also, too Bernie’s been treated with kid gloves so far. At some point his baby mama will get brought up, if he continues to do well and especially, if he is the nominee. He should be ready to handle it.
David *Rafael* Koch
@Goblue72:
I. Am. Not. A. Clinton. Voter.
I. Will. Not. Vote. For. Clinton.
That said, why are you people constantly belly aching if you already admit Clinton will win the nomination?
Gin & Tonic
@Goblue72: What’s Bill running for this year?
David *Rafael* Koch
@gene108: Imagine if Hillary Clinton had a child out of wedlock. The fucking media would never shut up about it.
They give Sanders a pass cuz they know he won’t win the nomination. And they hate Clinton above all. So the enemy of their enemy is their friend.
But if by some miracle Sanders did win the nomination, the msm would go medieval on him, just like they did to Dean when he became the front runner in 2003 and like they did to Dukakis once he became the nominee.
Redshift
@Goblue72:
No, just people who endlessly repeat the Republican line about Bill Clinton while berating anyone who questions then about how they’re the real dedicated Democrat and the questioner isn’t.
goblue72
@David *Rafael* Koch: I actually don’t think wild assed things some random supporter writes on the Internet by either Clinton or Sanders supporters amounts to a hill of beans. Its fauxtrage from both sids. But I don’t take seriously something somebody writes on Salon OR the New Republic.
goblue72
@Redshift: I’m sorry, did Bill Clinton sexually harassing an intern, committing adultery, committing perjury and finger wagging the American public about “not having sex with that woman” NOT happen? Was it just some Republican lie?
Dude couldn’t keep it in his pants and was a womanizing, adultering, power abusing asshole. Monica Lewinsky wasn’t some random accident – just the end of a long series of bullshit adultery on his part. His actions were EXACTLY what would have gotten an ordinary manager in your average workplace slapped with a sexual harassment lawsuit. And that most spouses would have divorced long ago and taken to the cleaners – fully justifiably. I can only assume Hillary did some quick calculus and rationally figured sticking with him would result in a better long term payday.
That he was a Democrat apparently means we all have to circle the wagons and excuse it. Sorry, but I’m not pretending certain things didn’t happen and that he isn’t a complete sleazebag.
I got no problem with Hillary running for office – and whatever noxious things her husband did, I do not think they reflect on her. My problem is when he opens his hypocritical mouth and starts criticizing one of the most honest politicians in DC of being fast and loose with the truth. Which is why he got so much blowback when he did.
Brachiator
@Peale:
Mid term elections and presidential elections are different animals.
@David *Rafael* Koch:
The potential loss in NH appears to be worrying the Clinton campaign despite its relative unimportance.
Sanders younger supporters are more than Duedebro morons.
And oddly enough rank misogyny is exactly how one should characterize the recent bullshit coming from Clinton surrogates, including Bill Clinton. Ironic, ain’t it?
The national election, especially if Clinton is the nominee, may end up with some stark gender related differences. Clinton might need to offset this with strong support from younger voters.
Nerull
@David *Rafael* Koch: Hah, remember PUMAs campaigning for McCain? The push to get super-delegates to overturn primary results so that Obama wouldn’t win the nomination?
The good ol’ circular firing squad looks to be as strong as ever this election, and I’ll be amazed it it ends on Super Tuesday. If we hated republicans half as much as we hate each other, democrats would never lose an election.
Brachiator
@Goblue72:
Lewinsky was a volunteer. In many senses of the word.
You’re supposed to lie about an affair. In the history of the United States, everyone understands this. Except, of course, Alexander Hamilton.
Both Sanders and Bill Clinton are blameless here. And in any event, it has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton.
goblue72
@David *Rafael* Koch: Your’re completely paranoid and out of touch with reality. I have news for you – its not 1988 anymore. Mike Dukakis is an old, old man who teaches a few classes at Northeastern and collects turkey carcasses.
If Hillary had a kid out of wedlock – and raised that kid her entire life – nobody would give two squats and it wold be a complete non-story. And any GOP fool who tried to make hay about that would find them on the wrong end of a pointy stick from every daytime talk show host and the entirety of middle America. Going after kids whose parents do right by them is radioactive. Outside a few knuckle draggers, the vast majority of middle America suffered no fools who went after Chelsea, regardless of what they through of her dad.
Have a kid out of wedlock and abandon your kid? Food for the media fodder. Have a kid out of wedlock and raise the kid? Total non story.
I will leave it in the words of Levi Sanders as to why people aren’t taking about it and why is a total non story –
“When I was a little kid, I started with B. Then it was Ber and then Bern and now it’s Bernard. Or the Bernster. I’ve never called him Bernie. And I never have called him Dad. Even when I was six years old, I thought it was childish. He was a friend, not an authoritarian.”
BTW, that article linked to above about Sanders’s past – its from well over 6 months ago and despite attempts by various outlets to like Politico to turn it into something, nobody gives a shit.
Brachiator
@David *Rafael* Koch:
Are you serious? Sanders had a love child in the 60s? Shit, right on!
And I could give less than a fuck about a hypothetical story about a hypothetical Hillary Clinton love child.
goblue72
@Brachiator: She was an intern in a work environment. There was a huge power differential at play. This is the kind of thing regular people get fired over. So no, there is no equivalency between the two. Its insulting to suggest so.
But I get it. Circle the wagon. Bubba can do no wrong. Ba Ba Bullshit.
gene108
@goblue72:
I have usually only run into right-wingers, who feel Hillary is a power hungry woman, who stayed in her marriage for the sake of personal gain and not because she actually loved her husband.
There are a lot of folks, mostly conservative, but I guess now liberals too, who feel she’s Lady Macbeth trying to sit on the throne herself, no longer happy to manipulate her husband to do her bidding.
gene108
@goblue72:
Fox News is not talking about it 24/7. It’s largely ignored.
Fox News got people freaked out about the New Black Panther Party, in 2008, because a couple of black guys were standing in-front of a Philadelphia polling place, occasionally holding the door open for people entering the polling place.
Barack Obama had to disown Rev. Wright, because Rev. Wright made some comments – which I think were substantively correct – about America’s unfair use of power in the world, because Fox News played on line from the sermon, “God, damn America!”, over and over again. The comments and association with Rev. Wright could have ended a less skilled politicians campaign.
Between the Republican’s “death match” to who gets the nomination to the media focus on Hillary, Bernie’s life has barely been touched by the media.
Peale
@Goblue72: it won’t be hypocritical screeching at all.
sm*t cl*de
@srv:
A link to the Daily Torygraph, presented as representative of a British evidence-based consensus? That’s cute.
Amir Khalid
@goblue72:
Which is it? Do Bill’s infidelities reflect on Hilary, or don’t they?
Applejinx
@Brachiator: The women in the Bernie office did not like getting told there’s a place in hell for any woman that doesn’t line up behind Hillary.
I’m still inclined to try and Hilsplain to a certain extent just to ward off too much animosity but I’m having to be careful and seeing a lot of ‘nope. After that? Would not vote for her in the primary’ and sort of backing off tactfully and hoping it doesn’t come to that.
With regard to the economic stuff I have to keep reminding myself of possible social justice gains should Hillary win the primary, because I too have issues where it gets hard to contemplate willingly voting for Hillary at all. We are channeling this energy into just working harder and more, because the whole office is thoroughly aware we can’t bring that energy into talking with voters. It’s private and we have to portray it as a good clean fight, and we have to not be the ones going ‘there’s a place in hell for those who don’t line up behind Bernie’, or ‘young women are only going with Hillary because they want to get laid by Goldman Sachs execs’
Yeah, they suggested that young women only side with Bernie because that’s where the boys are. Unforced errors, again. That went over soooo well at the Keene office, run by a young woman who’s directed at the district (?) level by another woman, and where the toughest jobs such as running canvassing are also done by women. All of whom are fucking smart, effective, great to work with, and though as a middling-old-white-man I don’t personally see all the implications of such spin because the insult’s not being directed at me, when I see the reaction, the sort of weary cold ‘this shit again?’ reaction, then I understand a little better.
I haven’t seen ‘hysterical’ reactions to this sort of nonsense, but I’ve seen more than one woman I work for and respect, VERY disappointed and let down that people associated with the Clinton campaign would say stuff like ‘that’s where the boys are’ or ‘there’s a place in hell for women who don’t (unthinkingly!) support Clinton’.
Apparently, given the chance to repudiate this sort of thing, Clinton doubled down on it? Reaction in the office was disbelief, amusement, like hearing about teabagger antics. She did what now?
Zinsky
In this telegenic, Facebook-photo age, Ted Cruz is just too ugly to be president (on the inside too)!
gene108
@goblue72:
I know right. Men and women are treated the exact same when it comes to premarital sex.
I remember, in my 20’s, when I went to Las Vegas and one of my compatriots talked about a girl he hooked up with, we were like, “Oh! My God! You man-slut. If you keep screwing around women will just treate you like a used piece of gum and you won’t get married to a nice girl.”
satby
@Applejinx: Do try to differentiate between the actual candidate and some of her supporters. Just like those of us who don’t feel the Bern are supposed to differentiate between him and his more noxious supporters.
FlipYrWhig
@Applejinx: People at work in the Bernie Sanders office find fault with the things Bernie Sanders’s opponent says? You don’t say! I hear people who work for Auburn University have strong feelings about remarks by people at the University of Alabama, too!
Sherparick
@Amir Khalid: Hence why he is doing so well with the 40% of the population who would vote for Attilia the Hun if he was on the Republican ticket.
FlipYrWhig
@Applejinx: Remember when Bernie Sanders said that Planned Parenthood was part of “the establishment”? Oh, I forgot, his gaffes are not at all telling in any way.
Paul in KY
@mclaren: I think he’s somewhat like the Greg Stilton character, except Stilton had more charisma than this guy.
I call him ‘Darth Creepo’.
Starfish
@goblue72: In your world, no one went after John McCain for Bridget. Good to know.
Sherparick
@srv: Fe, Fi, Foe, I smell a Republican troll! Where does Sanders win next after New Hampshire? Well, On Super Tuesday I expect he will in Massachusetts, Vermont, and perhaps Minnesota caucuses. The rest of those states, particularly the Southern ones will go for Hilary. The core of Bernie’s support is northern white liberals and northern secular white working class. Bernie’s class based arguments and belief that racism is just another device of the ruling class to divide and exploit the working class is just not the way most Blacks and Hispanics experience racism.
Questions I wished Rachel Maddow had asked Hilary: Where do you stand on TPP and if no longer support it, why did you change your mind?
(By the way, this is the one if I really wish Bernie had pressed Hilary on at a debate. It is revealing about the alienation of the MSM media elite from most of the country is they rarely ask questions about factory closing and job losses related to trade agreements. They also appear never to ask questions about the environment of global warming. For our MSM elite, that issue is so “old fashion.”
April
@goblue72: you read Hillary’s mind about why she stayed with Bill, putting the most negative spin on it for your personal hate-thrill, but you don’t blame Hillary for Bill’s actions?
You really come off as a bitter person who would rather the country go red than blue if your candidate loses. You and srv should start your own bitter vulgar blog.
Paul in KY
@goblue72: The affair was completely consensual. She basically threw herself at him.
He should not have engaged & was in a position of power (no shit). So I don’t think he was as bad as you make him out to be.
Brachiator
@goblue72: Is this thread still going?
Insulting to who? Idiots?
I get tired of the power differential BS that people toss around. It is not always relevant. Consenting adults have a right to hot sweaty love. And the Oval Office is an ideal spot, yeah, right on that desk, with George Washington looking on.
Bill Clinton really isn’t the issue here. And my thoughts about Bill are more complex than you could possibly understand. Then again, I don’t think you are trying to make a rational argument about this, and if you are, you are failing miserably.
Doug R
@Mike in NC: Why so serious?