Cliven Bundy just landed at PDX and was 'detained' by police per this supporter who's here to escort him. #LiveOnK2 pic.twitter.com/ojgn6Kd4V7
— Stephen Mayer (@StephenKATU) February 11, 2016
#oregonstandoff pic.twitter.com/MH8ghcR0l2
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) February 11, 2016
Per the Oregonian:
Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who touched off one armed showdown with federal authorities and applauded another started in Oregon by his sons, was arrested late Wednesday at Portland International Airport and faces federal charges related to the 2014 standoff at his ranch.
Bundy, 74, was booked into the downtown Multnomah County jail at 10:54 p.m.
He faces a conspiracy charge to interfere with a federal officer — the same charge lodged against two of his sons, Ammon and Ryan, for their role in the Jan. 2 takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns. He also faces weapons charges…
The last four occupiers, who have camped alone since Jan. 28 at the headquarters compound, agreed Wednesday night to surrender in the morning. They did so after FBI tactical teams infiltrated refuge buildings undetected overnight Tuesday and into Wednesday. The FBI then hemmed in the occupiers with armored vehicles and negotiated with them for five hours to reach the surrender agreement…
If anything good can come out of this deplorable shitshow, it would be getting Cliven Bundy away from his heavily armed Nevada playpen and under adult supervision — without more bloodshed. Should this discourage the remaining Feeble Four loons into surrendering come morning, all the better. Let them stand on their hind legs and bleat about “constitutional law” in a situation where they can’t destroy more of our mutual property. I’m guessing (hoping) all the Facebook-fierce “patriots” ginning each other up to join the rebellion!!! will suddenly realize how vital it is that they finish re-organizing their bug-out bags and writing coded messages on dollar bills safely in their own communities, since Burns and the other communities near Malheur Lake have suffered enough already.
One thing I am wondering — and this is purely speculation on my part — what’s Cliven gonna say when he’s brought up in front of a judge? Christopher Ketcham, in his report in the latest Harpers, seemed to be hinting that the Elder Bundy was… well, when Ketcham finally got to interview him (his daughters refused to wake him from a “very important” nap):
… When Bundy awoke from his nap, I was listening to his grandson pluck a guitar. The patriarch emerged sleepy and soft-spoken, childlike… I asked him to justify his claims to the Gold Butte allotment. He told me that the U.S. Constitution — a copy of which he kept in the breast pocket of his shirt, over his heart — held all the justification he needed. Under the Constitution, he said, there could be no such thing as federal public lands. Given this fact, the states, or better yet the counties, should control the land currently claimed by the U.S. government, and the entire federally managed commons should be abolished. He patted his breast and referred me to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, which, he said, limits the amount of land that the federal government can own to ten square miles. (It does no such thing, though it does establish that Washington, D.C., should be limited to ten square miles.) Bundy went on citing the sacred document for the next thirty minutes, earnest and impassioned, as I tried and failed to interrupt. Then, yawning and adjusting his big hat, he excused himself to go inside the house. I waited, lounging in a lawn chair, expecting that he might want to talk some more…
While I waited for Bundy to reappear, I watched another of his grandsons rope a dummy bull for rodeo practice. Finally, after half an hour, the bodyguard stood over me and grimaced, his hand on his holstered gun. “All right, that’s it, time to go.” I hesitated; the bodyguard shook his head. “I think he’s gone back to sleep,” he said. “The man needs his naps.”…
Maybe he’s just imperious by nature, or too accustomed to an audience of cowed dependents. But I did flash back to Michael Moore “interviewing” Charlton Heston in Bowling for Columbine.
Mustang Bobby
I hope this all ends peacefully and the next big thing is deciding who gets to play the leads in the TV movie version: Nick Nolte or Gary Busey as Cliven Bundy, co-starring Woody Harrelson as Ammon Bundy.
Damien
If I were a more paranoid person, I’d say the feds played some 11-dimensional chess on this to get rid of several dangerous and stupid creatures in our midst.
I hope he and every one of the schmucks involved in this subculture get exactly what’s coming to them.
Mary G
This isn’t going to work out the way they planned, is it? I hope the Feds throw the book at them and they can occupy some nice cells for a good long time.
a different chris
The Constitution is unconstitutional!!11one
sigaba
“Maybe he’s just imperious by nature, or too accustomed to an audience of cowed dependents. But I did flash back to Michael Moore “interviewing” Charlton Heston in Bowling for Columbine.”
The point is well taken, though Heston did not owe a million dollars in grazing fees for his cows, nor was Michael Moore serving a warrant, notwithstanding that man’s manifold faults.
NotMax
Ans so it goes…
Major Major Major Major
Good news. I dug my mom’s old camera out of storage. Still so good after 1976. What a machine!
http://m.imgur.com/ce6NzfW,RhGwLmM
C Anderson
Lock the rich privileged ungrateful punks up
seaboogie
I seem to remember some comment threads in the earlier days (after a couple weeks or so) wanting the feds to go in and take charge and what about Cliven – arrest him also too! and wrap this whole thing up. So most of that has happened now, except for the four desperate whackaloons that are being “talked down” by the state rep lady in this heartwarming Christmas card.
I don’t think the feds are playing eleventy-dimensional chess here. I think that they are just tactical, and realize that the miscreants are about as intelligent and predictable as the bovines they want to graze for free.
Also, the gang was sent salted dicks, or dildos or some man-unit shaped candy that they got pissed off at – that was FUN!
Elizabelle
Well that’s some good news to wake up to.
Good work, feds.
I think Mr. Cliven can get plenty of naptime in jail.
Nathanael
Good. Very very good.
But the BLM and the FBI still have to clear out the rest of the clan in Nevada and remove the illegally-grazing cattle.
Central Planning
@Major Major Major Major:
What kind of camera is that? It kinda looks like the back of an Olympus OM-1, one of the first SLR cameras I used (it was my wife’s)
J R in WV
So glad that these un-American buttholes have all been swooped up with no harm done so far. Good job by the FBI to take everyone down who mattered, leaving aside the suicidal idjit who tried to pull his sidearm while surrounded with skilled police officers already holding their weapons.
@Major Major Major Major:
Back when I worked for the newspaper, they had bought Polaroid backs for the Press Graphic 45s, so that reporters could run out at 11 or 12 to take a perfectly good 4×5 inch B&W print of a bog-standard auto accident for the late edition of the paper.
So one of the many things I did was learn to use a Speed Graphic right out of those old movies with giant cameras going POOF with those big fat flashbulbs.
Later on when they evolved away from those, I got to take one home, and used it when a client wanted a large format negative for advertising. I still have that big momma on the shelf, beside the twin-lens Rolli and my Uncle Archie’s Exakta 35mm. And my Dad’s Nikon F. And the gem of the tiny collection, a pre-war Leica range-finder, the story of how I acquired which is too interesting to share.
I can’t imagine why FYWP thinks I have mis-spelled Buttholes…which is a perfectly cromulent word for these folks!
Joey Maloney
Nice thinking, grabbing Bundy père right after deplaning, the one time they could be fairly certain he wouldn’t be armed.
Major Major Major Major
@J R in WV: To again address JR in WV, it’s an Asahi/Pentax K-1000.
SRW1
Hey, but doesn’t his Nevada fiefdom give him diplomatic immunity? He’ll take this to the United Nations.
OzarkHillbilly
@Nathanael: This is what I am wondering. Not sure how that situation evolves now.
Randy P
Good morning, BJ!
Well, I hoped to wake up this morning finding out the FBI had finally ended this mess, but we’re not quite there. However, reading about the Cliven Bundy arrest was oh-so-satisfying.
Last update from Malheur at opb.org was at 9:23 pm local time (12:23 am eastern) and says that the remaining loonies will turn themselves in this morning. (There’s a later update, but it’s just reaction to the Bundy arrest).
We’ll see.
OzarkHillbilly
Gotta love this:
I think they believe in breathing.
Randy P
Something else that makes me happy this morning was this story from Hillary Rettig’s post last night. I love stories of humans and animals cooperating in the wild, it gives me hope for the world.
I also of course love that the gorillas are learning to deal with poachers without human aid.
scav
@OzarkHillbilly: well, then, they can just camp inside some barred spaces, entirely of their own volition!
NotMax
Time to revisit that whole Louisiana Purchase thing.
:)
OzarkHillbilly
This is sure to pissoff most of us around here:
Tamir Rice: Cleveland says family owes $500 for EMS after fatal police shooting
Elizabelle
I tuned in the live feed. The woman and a man are shrieking at a Fed that “we fear for our lives” and taunting him that he killed a man and what is he going to tell his kids?
Occupiers sound like militant teenagers. Now they’re shouting at the feds to “leave! Go home.”
No doubt the fed is wishing they would take their own advice.
ETA: looking at feed; think this is footage from last night. Maybe their voices have given out by now, and it’s quieter at Loon Lake.
Technology, how does it work?
Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)
If any good can be said to have come out of the siege of the loon sanctuary it is that some of the loons will have have some quiet time to reflect. I hope it does them some good but I seriously doubt it.
The other good thing I hope got done is that the FBI has solid leads on some number of morons who hopped on board the crazy train via the Internet. These would be people worth keeping an eye on for the safety of the nation. I am not a fan of the police state tactics of spying on citizens but when they have shown a propensity for crime and endangering the public I don’t know what choice we have.
Zinsky
He is a domestic terrorist – WATERBOARD HIM!
Elizabelle
@Schlemazel (parmesan rancor): Prezactly. I think this was a net plus in terms of monitoring/controlling some rightwing activists.
NotMax
@OxarkHillbilly
Cole post about that yesterday.
OzarkHillbilly
@NotMax: I saw that after I linked.
raven
These dudes think they want to die.
geg6
This is lovely to wake up to, AL. Thanks!
raven
So the feed is no longer live?
Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)
@raven:
“COME AND KILL US!”
“We don’t want to surrender because the FBI will kill us.”
Pussies playing army like a bunch of 10 year olds
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: It remains an option, death is always an option. They don’t even need the FBI’s help.
Elizabelle
Is Fox News going to help do these critters’ jail time?
Because it helped to radicalize them, no doubt. Fox News has helped to make our country ungovernable and our elections so crazified.
Meanwhile, Rupert Murdoch is counting his money and engaged to Mick Jagger’s former squeeze.
I’d like to see Fox News get some serious blowback from this.
Sick of the journalism establishment covering for Fox News. Don’t they realize Fox is a poison pill that has brought them all down? Helped reduce their own credibility, such as it is (even while the legacy networks’ product becomes ever more fatuous)?
raven
@Elizabelle: The early morning joke hour!
Soylent Green
This isn’t over. When Nevada Assemblyseditionist Michele Fiore arrives at the refuge this morning for her prearranged photo-op (escorting the final four from their base, hands linked in triumph), she will tell them about Cliven’s arrest. Then I think they may balk and refuse to honor their agreement to surrender.
Cermet
Glad bundy was arrested; fine if these loons hold out a bit longer – they are doomed and being the suck ass cowards like most gun toting right wingers, they will surrender – especially as the snacks run out (lol.)
raven
@Soylent Green: They know now.
Elizabelle
@Soylent Green: I am wondering if this extracurricular activity will make Michelle Fiori unelectable. Maybe some of her Las Vegas constituents did not know how loony she really is.
Not that they can’t find a slightly less ridiculous loon to represent them.
Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)
@Elizabelle:
Not sure of that. Vegas has a lot of very . . . interesting . . . people, they type who might see this as a real plus. I don’t think she hid her true face to get elected. Like Bachmann she represents the ‘thinking’ of a large number of people in her district & that is why you shouldn’t go out at night unescorted in those areas.
bemused
Aren’t most or all of the muddled militia in jail being represented by public defenders? I’m wondering if the public defenders are county or state employees. These boneheads are costing the town and county a ton of money. Will taxes go up as a result? I also wonder if the local supporters of these idiots think it’s worth the money it’s costing them already.
@Elizabelle:
I read an article yesterday somewhere that Fox hosts and producers are split on how to cover Trump who has proven that Fox intimidation tactics failed with the Donald. There is also some kind of dustup between two of the biggest Fox hosts, Billo and Megyn and Roger Ailes not knowing what to do about that. It’s hard to believe Fox won’t survive this but I am chortling that Fox has sprung a couple of leaks in the dike.
Patricia Kayden
@Elizabelle: They’re telling people to leave and go home when they themselves are occupying a federal building and far from their own homes. Isn’t that ironic? Don’t you think?
Soylent Green
@Elizabelle: Nevada has plenty of Bundy gang sympathizers, gun freaks, and assorted nutjobs. It might boost Fiore’s re-election standing.
Waldo
I know papa Bundy ain’t the sharpest point on the spur, but did he really think he could announce his plans on Facebook and then waltz right through the FBI cordon? Worst revolution ever.
OzarkHillbilly
@bemused: It’s in Federal court, Federal public defenders.
Patricia Kayden
@Cermet: I wonder how many resources the last holdouts have now. Nothing is getting in to them so their supplies must me considerably thinned. This whole fiasco has been such a waste of time and energy.
Kay
@seaboogie:
I said that because I didn’t think it was fair that everyone else gets immediately arrested for everything (and I mean everything) and they were traipsing around holding press conferences and eating Pop Tarts. That bothered me. I didn’t think it was fair. I’m glad they were arrested and I hope they get the same treatment everyone else (should) get, including trials and fair sentencing and hopefully not decades in prison.
Donalbain
@SRW1: He should join with Julian Assange and start a class action suit!
Patricia Kayden
@Waldo: He’s been getting away with thumbing his nose to law enforcement for so long that he became arrogant. He must be furious.
Elizabelle
@bemused: Ooh, I’d love to see a link for the Fox item.
These weasels are the Wile E Coyote/Al Bundy type of revolutionaries.
I worry about them, and federal response to them, inspiring less cartoonish types. Getting a Tim McVeigh or San Bernardino level of planners in there.
It’s time to squelch this crazy talk and what is treason.
Also, have you noticed how much — when referring to LaVoy Finicum’s premature end (his choice) — the news outlets say “we don’t really know what happened there.” Words to that effect were in a Washington Post photo caption very recently.
Feeds into the “you can’t trust your government” and “we don’t want to lose/offend a single eyeball, not even the craziest ones” memes.
Currants
@Elizabelle: No. See, e.g., Jamie Dimon.
Honus
@NotMax: that, and Alaska.
bemused
@OzarkHillbilly:
Thanks.
Currants
@bemused: Guessing if it’s a fed court and fed lockup they are fed PDs, not state (or local–depends on state).
bemused
@Elizabelle:
I haven’t looked for that piece yet, too busy reading the 500+ comment thread below but it might have been nymag. Whew, it’s a mob of mental cases drawn from all over crazy America to Malheur like moths to a fire. One guy I had never heard of before, Brandon Dowd, was yelling about flouride from OPB link.
Sherparick
@Elizabelle: Well, as Driftglass says there is a “Club, and we are not in it.” The Village Media long ago made its peace with Rupert Murdoch. First, Comcast/NBC, CBS, Bloomberg, and Disney ABC are not much different and are run by men with very similar politics to Rupert, but are just quieter about it. It took Comcast all of about six months to send Keith Olbermann packing, even though he was there biggest star and ratings earner in 2009. Further, who knows when you might need to get a job at Fox (see David Gregory or Sheryl Aktinsson), so why make waves by pointing out that Fox News is the Pravada of the Movement Conservatism and the Republican Party.
debbie
@Mustang Bobby:
I think Busey’s versatile enough to play all of the parts, like Tyler Perry did.
Baud
@Sherparick: We’ll just have to form our own club.
CarolDuhart2
McVeigh could pose as an avenger for the kids of Waco, by killing other people’s kids (Go Figure). Nothing about this farce gives fodder to such notions. Indeed it’s exposed the weakness of this whole movement-it’s ineptitude, lack of serious leadership, lack of resources. Sorry, guys, America isn’t yearning for a repeat of either the Civil War or the Revolutionary War. Both were terrible in their carnage even with the primitive weapons of the day. Today?
And besides everyone knows we can make change peacefully-the Constitution ensures that we can. Back then there weren’t the mechanisms to do so, and so there needed to be a change of government.
Did they really expect armed patriots to take on tactically armed FBI agents with armor and reinforcements?
Did they really expect Federal agents armed with both weaponry and the law to be dispelled by a local sheriff?
Do they really believe in state sovereignty, but the local sheriff is the highest constitutional authority anyway?
Mustang Bobby
@Sherparick: I notice that Joe and Mika got really huffy when Dylan Byers at CNN spotted them hanging out with Trump after the primary in New Hampshire. Like it’s a big surprise, but still they were all “Nuh uh!” and “You’re mean and not a real reporter!”
Kids these days.
Baud
Damn. I just learned there’s a D debate tonight.
JPL
Michelle Fiore is getting some positive press for her skill in negotiations. Unintended consequences.
HeartlandLiberal
@Major Major Major Major: Neat early Pentax. I still have my PZ1 P, but went totally digital, and three Pentax generations deep, and eagerly awaiting their new full sized sensor DSLR they are promising to release this Spring. I could take the lens from that old Pentax and still use it on all of my Pentax cameras, they have made a point of maintaining at least manual support for their lenses, even on the most advanced digital DSLRs.
Baud
@JPL: Veep.
Ultraviolet Thunder
I’m glad the Feds played the long game with these clowns. Confrontation would have led to more ‘martyrs’. Wise move.
Baud
Getting Cliven was a nice plus.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Central Planning: I have an OM-1.
Waldo
@Patricia Kayden:
Yeah, and a little delusional — thinking the patriot uprising would erupt on the strength of his Facebook post.”If we get 1,500 likes, it’s on!”
Mustang Bobby
@Major Major Major Major: Wow. Somewhere in my closet I have my Yashica TL-E that I bought in 1971 in Regensburg, Germany, to replace my Instamatic 100. Used it up until I got my Nikon Coolpix in 2005.
kindness
It’ll be cruel and unusual punishment for whom ever Cliven has to share a cell with.
WereBear
@debbie: Busey also has a son who looks remarkably like him and is an actor, too.
I smell deal!
NorthLeft12
Well, so far so good. I’m really not clear in my own mind about how well this was handled. You could make a case [and the Yeehaadists will] that the feds were weak and afraid of provoking the Bundy Bunch, allowing them freedom of movement that was relatively unique [I think] in an armed occupation/stand off.
On the other hand you can argue that the feds made these clowns [or let them and the public make them] look foolish and selfish, and minimizing the heavy handed fed presence, thus undercutting their support with the public. The “revolutionaries” got themselves a martyr, but it did not seem to move a great number of people…just the same people who were probably outraged that the feds did not provide all the food and supplies that the occupiers needed.
For me, the success will be measured in the long term after the trials are done and sentences handed out(?). Finally arresting the head idiot for the 2014 exhibition is a bonus. Hopefully a few more of the dumbasses who aimed rifles at federal officers and interfered with traffic in the surrounding area are arrested and charged.
Mustang Bobby
@WereBear: That’s Jake Busey, and I’ve heard he’s as wacky as his dad. I’ve only seen him in one film, “Starship Troopers.”
WereBear
@Mustang Bobby: He was also in The Frighteners.
WereBear
I think this was actually handled as NOT Ruby Ridge, and that’s a good thing. Give them enough rope, and they will make fools of themselves.
Not followers.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Me too, you going?
C.V. Danes
Maybe he’ll instruct the judge about what’s wrong with the negro?
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@C.V. Danes:
No, he’s gonna look for gold fringe on the flag.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: It’s too cold outside.
And I don’t think I could refrain from punching a moderator in the neck.
C.V. Danes
@Mustang Bobby: Except that his dad only became ‘crazy’ after suffering brain damage from a motorcycle accident. Not sure that’s hereditary :-)
raven
@Mustang Bobby: Here’s the trailer from The Graduate.
C.V. Danes
@Damien: The Feds played the long game, similar to the military if someone goes UA/AWOL. They just wait for you to get pulled over for a speeding ticket and then have the police apprehend you.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Heh, or Omnes. The debate is in WI.
C.V. Danes
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: That too!
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: I would cut Omnes if I saw him.
NonyNony
@WereBear:
I think this was handled well personally but let’s be real – exposing these guys as fools won’t cause them to lose followers or even not to gain new followers. The best we can hope for is that the new followers will continue to be the same kind of clownish losers that this whole group has been since I first became aware of them in the 80s (these Sagebrush Rebellion types are all nuts). But even clownish losers can be really dangerous.
BillinGlendaleCA
@BillinGlendaleCA: The pictures I took of Yosemite were taken with my OM-1.
Central Planning
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Nice. Ours was great until the back warped a little and started leaking light onto the film. It made for some interesting pictures though.
We have a Canon 60D now. Kids use it for making stop motion videos, recording video, and general pictures. It’s a nice camera.
Mustang Bobby
@raven: Very nice. The actor playing Ben looks perfect for the part. And so does Mrs. Robinson. Let me know how it goes.
Matt McIrvin
Actually letting him through TSA, letting him board the plane and arresting him at the destination airport was a nice touch. He probably thought that if airport security let him through, nothing was going to happen to him. But (assuming the TSA did their jobs this time) that also meant he was unarmed.
Randy P
@C.V. Danes: Wait, what’s this about Gary Busey being crazy?
Not that I’ve followed him all that closely. The main thing I know him for is as the mutinous officer in one of my all time favorite action flicks, “Under Siege” and I loved that character like people love Alan Rickman’s Hans the Terrorist. (And weren’t those innocent times, when a terrorist character could be European)
Elizabelle
@Matt McIrvin: Yeah.
Cliven Bundy flew to Oregon to be incarcerated at his own expense.
I like that.
NY mag photo caption: Cliven Bundy reunited with sons, in jail.
My coffee tasted especially good this morning.
Emily68
@Joey Maloney
Nice thinking, grabbing Bundy père right after deplaning, the one time they could be fairly certain he wouldn’t be armed. :
And Cliven paid his own shipping to Portland.
raven
@Mustang Bobby: She’s been a friend for years but it’s hard for me to see her as a cougar and not the waitress at the Grit! We’re going tonight and I’m excited except for the 3 hr runtime!
Baud
@Emily68: I hope he at least got some miles out of it.
Bobby Thomson
@Major Major Major Major: Pentax K1000?
raven
@Randy P: Check him in Big Wednesday at the induction center.
CarolDuhart2
@NonyNony: These guys want to be seen as big and bad, t he vanguard of a national movement. Looking like fools means they don’t get the big bad types who might know something or teach them better skills.
A revolutionary movement relies on its propaganda to get new people. If it fails here, then the movement becomes inbred, unable to grow or even replace inevitable losses. (Death, desertion, whatever)
Baud
So does President Trump pardon these yahoos on Day 1, or does he wait a while?
Elizabelle
@bemused: Yes, it was NY Magazine.
Fox News Settles in for a Long Campaign With Donald Trump, a Candidate Who Proves the Network Has Lost Its Power, by Gabriel Sherman.
[Check out the link; NY mag uses “Fox News” and “GOP establishment” somewhat interchangeably.]
Anyhoo, NY Mag has a bouquet of good content up, some of it from Ed Kilgore (late of Washington Monthly’s Political Animal).
Jonathan Chait contributes this gem:
Eric Cantor Shocked by Trump’s Victory, Also Everything That Has Ever Happened
Now Cantor is at investment firm Moelis & Company. Chait:
BillinGlendaleCA
@Central Planning: I’m using a Samsung NX500, I’ve got a bid in on Ebay for a Samsung NX300 that I will convert into a full spectrum camera.
D58826
Ah news too warm the cockles of the heart as the polar vortex settles in. Just as we are on the verge of eliminating the polio virus fropm the world, with a few more arrests we will have eliminated free ranging Bundys.
BillinGlendaleCA
@D58826: Polar vortex, where? It was 94 here yesterday. Is it really February?
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: What would you do? After all, you’re much more Presidential than Trump could ever be.
@NonyNony: Clownish armed to the teeth losers are always dangerous. So true.
Iowa Old Lady
I’m guessing the FBI let this run on longer that I liked partly because they were improving their data base of would-be domestic terrorists by tracking the communications in and out of the Looney Bin. Arresting a big shot bad guy at the airport seems like a familiar tactic too because as others have said, they’re pretty sure the guy is unarmed at that point.
At one point, a friend of mine was working counter-terrorism, though that work had to do with stuff planned for overseas, and this person said militiamen and sovereign citizens and white supremacists etc was just a swamp that this person was super glad not to have been assigned to work.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden:
Tough question. On one hand, we liberals respect the Geneva Convention. On the other, fuck the Bundys. I’ll have to give it more thought.
Perhaps that explains why I’m not doing so well.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
Hannity should be feeling some guilt over this.
Baud
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I think he had a consciencetemy a long time ago.
bemused
@Elizabelle:
Excellent! Eager to read the other links. Ed Kilgore is very good and I forgot he had moved from WM. btw, I like Nancy LeTourneau (sp) at WM now.
Love the caption C. Bundy joining his sons in jail. I suppose we have to wait a few hours before seeing if the yahoos surrender 8am west coast time.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Patricia Kayden: The few minutes of Joe in the Morning that I watched, Mark Halperin had another one of his “focus groups” in South Carolina. The weren’t too impressed with Mr. Trump’s occasional vulgar language. He could lose to Failgunner Ted down there.
ETA: If my camera focused as bad as his groups, I’d return the lens under warranty.
Iowa Old Lady
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: If Sean Hannity were capable of feeling guilt or shame, he wouldn’t be Sean Hannity.
Cheryl Rofer
I just checked the Twitter feeds of the reporters I’m following. The only new news that I haven’t seen in this thread (or missed – just waking up) is that Franklin Graham is on his way and hopes to be at Malheur by 7 am their time, which is about an hour and forty-five minutes from now. No word about Fiore.
Here’s a summary from Les Zeitz, who is awake and tweeting. There’s an overhead photo of the refuge, which shows where the Final Four have been camping. Might be helpful to understand events later.
ETA: Lol, Cliven Bundy. I saw mentioned that two other people were also arrested, their names not familiar to me. I would not be surprised to see more arrests and charges added for those already arrested for a while.
D58826
@BillinGlendaleCA:Well some folks are lucky and get El Nino, those here in the SE, get the vortex and others get the vortex and the SNOW. ;=)
OzarkHillbilly
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Obviously enuf, you’ve never watched his show.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
What’s a more interesting matchup? Sanders v. Trump or Sanders v. Cruz.
Mustang Bobby
@Iowa Old Lady:
That’s how they got Hyman Roth in The Godfather Part II. But not for long…
Cermet
@C.V. Danes: Red Dwarf reference!
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: You better start cramming.
bemused
@Elizabelle:
Oh brother, I am so sick of hearing how shocked Republicans are when despite all evidence to the contrary, their fervent wishes are not reality and don’t come true. Reminds me of how stunned and bewildered Republicans from Rove to Mitt were on that election night. Republicans I know are like that too. They refuse to believe in facts that are opposed to their code of how things are supposed to be.
danielx
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
Sociopaths generally don’t feel emotions like the rest of us.
Heard this a few days ago and it seems appropriate, if a little early in the morning…
If they don’t give me no compensation, I’m a-gonna take it to the Yewnited Nations….
– Johnny Winter, Thirty Days
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Mustang Bobby: lucky for him he wasn’t getting a rub-down like Moe Greene.
Welcome to Obama’s America
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Will do. But first I need to burn the transcripts of my prior speeches. Just in case I get asked about them (which is more likely than being asked about the issues).
scav
I’m so hoping that detail that the FBI had infiltrated the place a day earlier is a) true and b) gets adequate coverage. Oh that big bad militia, no snacktical nor tactical planning or awareness. (Yeah, well, I couldn’t resist the rhyme, but I’ll plead a general fuzziness as to where tactics and garden variety situational awareness bleed into each other.)
Randy P
@bemused: The sentence “Empirical evidence shows that policy doesn’t work” can not be translated into Wingnut. Try to point out how teen pregnancy rates go up when you have abstinence-only education for instance and you’ll just be met with blank stares. It’s the right policy because it works because it’s the right policy, right?
Mustang Bobby
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Yeah, Moe did not get a happy ending on that massage.
“This is the business we have chosen.”
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: Mr Baud, have you now or have you ever been a speaker at a Wall Street firm?
Gotta be carefully, this is how they got Frank Pentangeli on perjury.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Cheryl Rofer:
JJ Macnab has an awesome Twitter feed as well.
Amir Khalid
@danielx:
That’s actually a Chuck Berry song.
SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel
@bemused:
@Elizabelle:
Haven’t scrolled through all the comments yet, so it’s quite possible someone else has provided the link, but this (which I found at BooMan) is probably the article.
Elizabelle
Meanwhile, more of our libtard media: front page of the LA Times website today: headline and blurb, but story is good:
It’s a good profile, well worth a click. Obama amidst retired Illinois legislators, after his speech in Springfield. (Did any of you see it? I have not yet.)
[Interview touched on race, and what Obama attempted so far and still hopes to accomplish. Seems the friends might have opened the “race” discussion.]
OzarkHillbilly
@scav: With only 4 people it was inevitable that the FBI would tighten the noose and that there would be nothing the YeeHawdis could do about it.
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Nyes.
Manyakitty
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: That would require a level of self-awareness and personal responsibility forbidden in the Foxheads.
Cheryl Rofer
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Yes, she’s one of the ones I follow, along with Amanda Peacher, David Sepulvado, Ryan Haas, and Conrad Wilson. Peacher says she has a must-not-miss meeting in Portland this morning; sounds pretty irritated about that. Haas and Wilson are awake but not tweeting a lot yet. There are a couple of other minor ones I’m following, but haven’t seen much from them last night.
Charges against Cliven are the same as the ones against Ammon, but have to do with the earlier standoff in Nevada.
Elizabelle
in moderation, putting up an LATimes interview with Obama and 3 retired Illinois legislators.
Not sure why. Oh.
They were P O K E R buddies. Get it.
FYWP.
ETA: Can someone liberate my comment? Much obliged.
MomSense
@Iowa Old Lady:
I guess I always figured that the FBI had infiltrated the group and was hopefully gathering as much information about these networks as possible.
Baud
@Elizabelle: Could be worse. They could have been C I A L I S buddies.
bemused
@Randy P:
I can’t help but think of the magical thinking stage in 3 to 4 year olds, wishful thinking cause and effect. It’s remarkably similar to Republican behavior. Most people grow out of that. Often adorable in the wee ones but pitiful in adults.
JPL
Why is the media having trouble saying the militants are going to turn themselves in? There seems to be two words , the media uses. They are called occupiers or holdouts. Four people have taken over public land and threatened the livelihood of residents, and they are called occupiers. Of course, Fiore calls them heroes and the Koch brothers who fund the American Land Council, probably call them idiots. Hopefully, this sets back the
Koch brothers plan to grab public land, forever.
Baud
@JPL: Why would it?
JPL
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Oregon Public Broadcasting has provided a service, covering the take over of public lands.
scav
@OzarkHillbilly: They were entirely out-everythinged inside and outside the braincase, so no, it wasn’t unexpected to the sane, but it’s nevertheless amusing in light of their suddenly panicked high-pitched chatter last night about Helicopters! Tanks! Eek! They’re coming to get us! The perimeter has been Breached!.
bemused
@SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel:
Yes, that was where I originally read about it and followed the link.
JPL
@Baud: I think it sets back the Koch brothers plan, because the militants come across as idiots. The liberal media continues to disappoint me.
SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
Oh, you are droll.
Cheryl Rofer
@JPL: I have gone back and forth about what to call the idiots in the refuge. When I’m writing for my blog, I try to adhere to journalistic standards, which require not charging people with crimes until law enforcement does. Then it still needs to be qualified with “alleged” or words to that effect, although a lot of news outlets use those qualifiers more than necessary.
“Idiot” is a subjective judgment, although I think fully justified in a colloquial sense and suitable for blog comments or whatever the Koch brothers say in private.
I’ve settled on “occupier” for more formal uses. It describes what they’re doing and has a whiff of illegality without being a legal charge.
Baud
@Cheryl Rofer:
So you’re the one.
Elizabelle
A neighbor told The Oregonian last night that five Bearcats (hostage rescue armored vehicles) appeared at the Loon compound. That’s good news.
Their profile of the holdouts. The pregnant woman is 48. That’s kind of amazing.
Sean Anderson, 47, of Riggins, Idaho
[Idahoans: Great Going out of business sale savings coming! Stay tuned!]
And the missus: Sandy Anderson, 48, of Riggins, Idaho
Those militants/protestors/patriots have no excuse for being ill groomed. Tell me there weren’t scissors and soap and water on the premises. Feathers, even. And time on their hands.
David Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio
and
Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada
Yer American patriots.
Poopyman
@Major Major Major Major: Ha! I was going to call Spotmatic, one of which is in my closet somewhere, probably leaking battery fluid all over.
Good camera. Far exceeds my first SLR, a Zenit-E. No batteries, but it did leak light.
Baud
@Elizabelle: There was some dispute in last night’s thread about whether she was pregnant.
OzarkHillbilly
@scav: It most definitely is amusing. I do wonder what take the ammosexuals are getting from this. Are they paying attention at all? Can they see how delusional their fantasies of fighting off the evil jackbooted Feds are?
OK, not really, more like wondering what the latest ravings are going to sound like.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@JPL:
Free or cheap shit for white people of means will always be a thing.
Patricia Kayden
@kindness: Would be hilarious if it was a Negro. Then he could really tell us about “the Negro”!
Elizabelle
@Baud: Weirdly enough, one of Obama’s “buddies” — the suburban Republican legislator — tanked his healthcare plan by calling it “Soc i a lized medicine.” But didn’t pull that quote (and z, not s, but mere quibbling).
bemused
I watched the video of the Anderson couple slow dancing near a campfire and was appalled at the trashy campsite area. Pigs. I hope photos of the mess and damage they made at the Refuge, inside and out, will be publicized for everyone to see.
Punchy
I realize I’m about the 253rd commenter to say this, but I cant believe these bastids think they ought to skate jail-free after leaving their terrorist base. Do they think they’ve broken no laws, or do they think the laws dont apply to them? The former is pathological, the second is pure sovereign citzy.
Either way, book ’em, Oregon.
Elizabelle
@Cheryl Rofer: Militant would work too.
FWIW, I would LOVE if some of the money associated with some of these loons came from the Koch brothers, and can be traced back and embarrass them. Hope they’re wondering if they’re enough degrees of separation from what’s become a pretty unpopular action.
Kochs have been fomenting the Western lands “controversy.”
nutella
When Cliven said yesterday he was on his way, I wondered how he thought he was going to drive all the way to Oregon in time to visit the Gang of Four at the refuge. Obviously he wouldn’t consider flying there because that would be an amazingly stupid thing for a fugitive to do!
It’s great that he was that amazingly stupid.
Gin & Tonic
@bemused: Anything like Kit and Holly dancing in the light of the headlights in Badlands?
OzarkHillbilly
@Punchy: They think they’re white.
Elizabelle
@nutella: We don’t know that a long-suffering daughter or daughter in law did not put him on the plane, personally.
Do wonder how the Bundy compound will fare, with so many of their menfolks in jail.
Better, one would guess.
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone :)
Chyron HR
Harrison Ford is: The Fugi-derp
JPL
@Elizabelle: In 2012 the American Lands Council was founded to turn over federal public lands to local stewardship.
JPL
@Cheryl Rofer: I agree with Elizabelle that militant would work. I think occupier is used for white folk. Just my opinion.
How likely is it, that Cliven gets charged with tax evasion?
bemused
@Gin & Tonic:
I’ve never seen that movie. Should I want to?
Another Holocene Human
Okay, so the new outrage is that the Dem Party caucus in NV is on Saturday which excludes Orthodox* Jews. I thought these caucuses were held in the PM. Isn’t the Sabbath over at sundown?
*-Need one point out that this is a measure of strictness, for which presumably even so there are workarounds possible?
C.V. Danes
@Randy P: Yeah, he had a motorcycle accident back in the late 80’s that damaged the region of the brain responsible for impulse control. Pretty much destroyed his career.
Another Holocene Human
@Elizabelle:
Will those creepy bodyguards still be hanging around?
Cheryl Rofer
Sepulvado just tweeted that Cliven’s wife said that Fiore convinced him to fly. I think that once the whole story is out we will see FBI manipulation of some of the players, possibly outright collusion.
ETA: Getting some breakfast before the festivities start.
ETA again to add: Apparently the bodyguards have been or are about to be arrested, according to a few reports.
Gin & Tonic
@bemused: Yes. Unequivocally.
Another Holocene Human
@Baud:
It was beaten out of him AND HE’S FINE, DAMMIT! HE’S FINE!
OzarkHillbilly
@Cheryl Rofer: How about the “serially idiotic”?
Another Holocene Human
@Cheryl Rofer: One of his dipshit bodyguards is locked up too.
bemused
@Gin & Tonic:
Ok, thx. That movie totally slipped past me.
rikyrah
I was listening to the radio this morning, and got another example of White Privilege 101, 201, 301.
In the report talking about the Domestic Terrorists in Oregon, the reporter was like,
‘ They didn’t think it had to come to this. They thought that they would negotiate to go home…but, I guess that can’t happen since they were named in a federal indictment.’
YOU take over – WITH FIREARMS – FEDERAL BUILDING…
and, you think you should just be able to ‘ negotiate to go home.’
really?
seriously?
and, folks say that Black people are using WHITE PRIVILEGE for everything.
Never, in the history of America…
would an ARMED BLACK PERSON believe that any encounter with law enforcement…
THAT THEY INITIATE….
would wind up with anything other than arrest…and, that’s the glass half full scenario.
I’ll say it again….
If BLM had taken over a local park district building..
let alone a FEDERAL ANYTHING…
there’d be body bags lining the street in front of it.
NEGOTIATE your way home?
PHUCK.OUTTA.HERE.
japa21
@bemused: The sympathizers will just say that the Feds did the trashing to make it look like their fellow patriots were slobs.
It’s all a frame up.
These folks have only a passing relationship with reality. I take that back. They have not passed, they failed all tests relating to reality.
japa21
@Cheryl Rofer: It would have been great if Fiore had been on the plane too, and as they Feds arrested Bundy they winked at her and said “Thanks, Michele.”
raven
@bemused: Great film. Malick Doesn’t do many film and the one’s he does do get mixed reviews but do see this one. (And The Thin Red Line)
bemused
@japa21:
Sadly, you’re probably right.
JPL
Who wants to ride in the same car with the militants. I doubt Fabreeze will help with the stench.
rk
I listened to the live feed for about 20 mins (that’s about as much of the stupidity I can handle). As a naturalized citizen who did not grow up in this country, there’s a total cultural disconnect for me here. They say things like “you’re killing American citizens on American soil”. Do these people live in the world? Are American citizens some kind of precious angels who can do whatever and not be held accountable? Do they care about all the black American citizens killed by cops?
Then there’s the bit about the constitution. Someone talking to David Fry asked if he had the constitution? Fry responded by saying “No not on me but it’s at the back”.
I mean what is this fetish about the constitution. Is it like the playboy magazine for the militia crowd.
I’ve lived in 3-different countries in my life,and people have grievances everywhere, like poverty, economy unfairness, but honestly Americans have the strangest, weirdest and the most imaginary set of issues that they get worked up about.
Temporarily Max McGee (Soon Enough to Be Andy K Again)
@Baud:
When you’re sworn in, your first bill should have something to do with spambots. Maybe you can make them pay you.
Cheryl Rofer
@JPL: @Elizabelle: I have no objections to “militant.” There’s plenty of what they’ve said and done to support that.
The chemist in me prefers “occupier,” though, because it’s related to the physical fact of their occupation. My strategist side prefers it because it’s better not to assume anything about an adversary’s mental state.
Cheryl Rofer
@japa21: No winking gonna happen. If there is collusion, it may be kept under wraps a long time, at least until the trial and perhaps afterwards, to protect the helpers.
But yeah, it would be satisfying in a cinematic way.
bemused
@raven:
I will.
patrick II
I was amused that one of the holdouts has been ready to turn himself in for awhile, but that his wife repeatedly talked him into continuing his holdout over the phone. I was wondering about the size of his life insurance policy, or whether she was just glad to have him out of the house for awhile.
Elizabelle
@rk: Great comment, rk. Good insight.
And I loved this. LOL.
Doug R
@SRW1: Isn’t the United Nations an illegal overlord organization created by the illuminati?
Another Holocene Human
@rk:
Yes. Exactly. It’s like that part of the Christian Bible (Acts) where Paul waves around his Roman citizenship as a get-out-of-jail-free card. They think America is “exceptional” and they are entitled, in an entirely unearned way, for being white Americans.
Cheryl Rofer
For those who missed the live feed, here’s a pretty good summary. Just think about all that repeated many times, with interjections of screaming and a steady bullhorn demand for the occupiers to surrender in the background.
japa21
@Cheryl Rofer: In my evil mind, my thinking is she had nothing to do with it, but they do this anyway. Would doom her chances for re-election.
Another Holocene Human
@rk:
There’s a Star Trek episode that explains it all, coincidentally considered one of the worst ever made: The Omega Glory (written by Gene Roddenberry but plagiarized from another source). At the climax of the episode, the Yangs (=Yankees) worship the Preamble to the Constitution in torch-lit chapel, ritually mouthing words they don’t understand.
Another Holocene Human
@rk:
“You’ll win so much you’ll get sick of winning.”
patrick II
@Randy P:
Gary has always been a little crazy — crazy enough to ride his cycle without a helmet among other things. He paid for that with a serious head injury during an accident, and a little more has been missing since. I winced at a tv commercial that had him selling something while “in character” pretty much as himself last year.
Another Holocene Human
@japa21: In all honesty I think her career is collateral damage. It might even delay surrender a while, too, but Cliven was too great a prize to give up. (And fwiw I agree with them.)
CONGRATULATIONS!
You’re wanted by the feds and you get on a plane? Jesus these fucking people are morons.
Bobby Thomson
@Another Holocene Human: shomer shabbos!
Soylent Green
I’m in my office now just across the street from the heartwarming Bundy family reunion. Voodoo Donuts is providing a cake for the occasion.
Calouste
@rk: Some Americans seem to think that the constitution is either a lost book of the bible or was on the back of those stone tablets that Mozes brought down from the mountain. They typically misinterpret it the same way as they do the bible, cherrypicking out of it what they like. They don’t seem to know that it is a messy compromise that couldn’t even hold the country together for three generations, but then again, hardly any American does. They’ve all been forcefed the myth that it is the greatest document ever written by man.
delk
From the WAPO:
As they took turns with their cellphone, Sean and Sandy criticized numerous aspects of American society: irresponsible baby boomers, ignorant millennials,
Damn, it’s always boomers and millennials.
Steve in the ATL
Federal courts sometimes (often? don’t know) appoint local lawyers to act as public defenders. It happened to me a couple of times back when I was in private practice (couldn’t do much for the bank robber–had his face clearly on video and his mother turned him in). I knew nothing about criminal law, but had to maintain good relations since I was usually in federal court.
My point is that there is a good chance they will be assigned incompetent counsel.
Bobby Thomson
@Another Holocene Human: the a Democratic caucus starts at 11:00 AM.
Cheryl Rofer
Also just announced: gravity waves have been confirmed.
And Cliven Bundy’s mugshot.
TOP123
@rk: agreed in part, but it depends where you’ve lived. I lived in S. Korea for a while, I love and admire the place and the people, and I’ve got to say, they do ‘worked up about strange, weird, and imaginary issues’ like it’s going out of style.
In fairness, they have a century or so of not-so-distant history that gives them plenty of reason for worry, or downright paranoia if they so choose!
J R in WV
@JPL:
I see you deliciously quote someone to the effect that:
Just exactly how does the “American Lands Council” plan to give away something that doesn’t belong to them? It belongs to me, and you, just like the Woody Guthrie song. “This Land belongs to you and me!” I guess obviously they need to steal it first, as demonstrated by the current boatload of buttholes!
American Lands Council of Unpatriotic Idiots!
or
American Lands Council of Thieving Bastards
American Lands Council of Traitorous Buttholes.
Pick one, or generate your own.
schrodinger's cat
@rk: Word. Especially the bit about imaginary grievances. Although I have to point out that seems to be more a right wing fetish, the world over. Husband kitteh’s Modi bhakt (devotee) uncle thinks that Hindus are persecuted in India and he is a Brahmin male. This makes zero sense unless you know the code to the right wing dictionary.
Persecuted == unable to discriminate and tell others who them deem inferior what to do.
Steeplejack (phone)
@BillinGlendaleCA:
It is here in NoVa—25° now and not getting much warmer later today.
Cheryl Rofer
The livestream is up again, and Michele Fiore is on it.
CONGRATULATIONS!
Hey, I just realized that ol’ Cliven’s going to be able to tell all his new friends about the Negro! That should go real well.
Ha, I jest, they’ll put him in solitary for his own safety. And should.
lgerard
Evidently Gil Scott Heron was right. The Revolution will not be Televised.
It will be on a crappy You tube channel
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Steve in the ATL: Sounds like not a lot of fun for you.
As I’m sure you know, in larger US Districts currently there are US Public Defender offices. They are staffed with very competent criminal defense counsel. The militants of Malheur PD clients in Portland will have far more capable counsel than Ammo does.
Chip Daniels
@rk:
Yes, Americans* are raised to think of themselves like the English under Victoria, or Romans in the Imperium. That is, no matter where we go in the world our American-ness surrounds us like a magical force field, immune to the consequences of any local law or custom.
*This term not applicable to those of the non white persuasion.
CONGRATULATIONS!
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Ex-girlfriend of mine is a PD, and not even in a city the size of Portland, much smaller. She is very good at what she does.
There will be some very good PDs in Portland and they’ll be fighting to get the case, it’s a career-maker.
The Bundys I’m sure will get some money from some wackjob “think tank” somewhere, they’ll be taken care of.
lgerard
again talking about snacks!
Is it a code word?
Elizabelle
@Cheryl Rofer: Cliven looks ticked. And he’s got hat hair.
And I am wondering if he dyes the top of his hair. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.
Chip Daniels
@Chip Daniels: Afghan native- “Are you gods?”
“No, we’re Englishmen, the next best thing.”
Sean Connery, in The Man Who Would Be King
Cheryl Rofer
Fiore is in an FBI car, at the Burns airport, says attorneys are waiting. The occupiers seem calm. Sandy saw a cross in the fire this morning – says it was beautiful.
Says Graham is coming to meet her.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
I’m up in Adam’s thread where he’s live blogging this shitshow.
@Cheryl Rofer: And Sean saw a heart in his flashlight beam – the Lord is with them! Drink!
TOP123
From the WaPo article:
When legacy media (or whatever the fancy current term is for the nation’s top newspapers) choose, they’ve still got strait-laced sarcasm. I used to love it 20 years ago when the NYT would, ever so occasionally, let a little withering commentary peek through the Grey facade in a straight-reporting style article.
Chip Daniels
@lgerard:
“Leave the gun. Take the salted dicks.”
West of the Cascades
@Soylent Green: Is their standard Cock-n-Balls not adequate for the occasion?
boatboy_srq
@Major Major Major Major: Ah, the Pentax K1000. You can’t break those with a sledgehammer. That was my first 35mm. I miss it sometimes – until I upload all 1100 frames I shot at some event or vacation and think about how many rolls of film that would be…
IIRC the lenses are still usable on the current Pentax line: they take the full-auto DSLR down to near-full-manual mode, but they work – and if you or your Mum put any $$ into glass for that thing they’ll save you a bundle. Check out the K50 and K-3: both good bodies and (again, IIRC) K-mount compatible.
boatboy_srq
@JPL: Not sure Febreze would have helped on the way in. On the way out, sealed encounter suits would be required.